IJN Tosa - Guide 104
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- Опубліковано 4 жов 2024
- The Tosa class, almost-built battleships of the Imperial Japanese Navy, are today's subject.
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Pinned post for Q&A :)
Drachinifel QandA: what where the factors that lead up to the Russo-Japanese war, and what ships where lost by both navies?
Q&A: Did HMS Glowworm got any chance to fight Admiral Hipper if she just giving her artillery barrage instead of ramming her?
Why is layered armor less effective againts a single cast of armor?
I have this question nagging me. It might seem stupid, but it would be interesting to think about.
Why didn't ships use side facing AA type guns to shoot incoming torpedoes? Even though they could only go 1-2 m in water, maybe that much could detonate the torpedo short of impact? Thanks.
Q&A: Would it be possible to do special videos on the interwar period development of types of lesser sized ships? Relatively few hulls in each class, with each follow-on class improving or stumbling.
For examples: A special on the Royal Navy's destroyers, another special on the US Navy's fleet submarines or the German navy's destroyers. Any other types or navies would be welcome too.
Happy to hear you sound well again. Thanks for the informative entertainment.
IJA: we need a bayonet on ever weapon, IJN: we need torpedoes on ever ship
If I had the torpedos they had, I'd want them on everything that could carry them also.
If they weren't at each other's throats all the time, would they have bayonets on their torpedoes?
We need our shells to be torpedoes.
Hmph. Could they work but with props on the front, though? Something needs to replace the bayonets.
@@psikogeek which is ironically what they spend a huge amount of resources on (diving shells), which ultimately did nothing much.
I like that when you talk about ships that weren't built you place drawings in the thumbnail and for ships that were built you put actual pictures of the ships
Yeah, maybe that’s because ships that weren’t built… don’t have pictures of them.
@@Scootero yes but drawings of ships that were built also exist. I was just saying that it's nice that he doesnt use artistic renditions or original drawings of existing ships for the thumbnails.
ah the aka "IJN Target Practice"
Hello :)
@@Drachinifel ;)
Quit stroking each other's egos.
@@richardm3023 quit posting cringe
Keep stroking each other's egos
Always interesting to see how a limited power kept trying to think ahead and do more with less.
It's 5am. Time to learn about ships
What else is there to do at 5am
I thought it said IJN Toast when i first saw it
Well, plans to complete them as is were made toast anyway.
I kinda wish Japan would've finished building Tosa anyways under the guise of a "refit".
I'm honestly curious about USS San Diego and how it has 18 battle stars on her belt.
Will you do a video about her soon? ^-^
I know she's on the list, don't know how soon though.
@@Drachinifel Either way, good job on your videos. I'll look forward until then~ :)
*looks at the boat game event comments*
*shudders at the thought of "I am number one!" spam*
Quick question, do you plan on doing any videos on significant non military ships like the Liberty’s for example? If so, little fun fact for you: in the movie Titanic, the engine room scenes where filmed in the engine room of the SS Jeremiah O’Brien
Can do if requested :)
Drachinifel well in that case, can you do a video on the Liberty’s?
LoadScreenComms ISRAEL ATTACKED THE USA THAT DAY
@@juri8723 wut
Kyle the time that an American ship was attacked during I believe it was the Six Day War
The arms limitation treaty helped usher in the age of the aircraft carrier and the beginning of the end for the battleship. Great video.
The treaty was the beginning of the end for the battleship. The carrier coming of age at the tail end of the 1930s was the actual end.
@@bkjeong4302 - Didn't I say, "beginning of the end?" Battleships and battle cruisers like Kaga and Lexington were completed as carriers to comply with arms limitations treaties. Older surface ships were scrapped to comply. But Iowa Class BB's lasted through WWII, Korea, Vietnam, Desert Storm...
@@scootergeorge9576 The Iowas really never did anything significant enough to justify their construction, upkeep and operational costs, however, especially since the carrier AA escort and shore bombardment roles they were forced into could have been (and often were) fulfilled by other, far less costly options (subcapital warships for both AA and shore bombardment, already-existing older battleships and improvised shore bombardment units like the Vietnam War monitors for extreme situations in shore bombardment, etc....)
@@bkjeong4302 - In October of 1944, in the Battle of Leyte Gulf, Admiral Oldendorf's battleships, salvaged from Pearl Harbor, crossed the T of the Japanese battle line. I like to believe Lord Nelson would have been proud.
@@scootergeorge9576 None of the battleships involved there were newly built, let alone be the Iowas, so again, no justification for the Iowas existing.
For the Iowas to have justified themselves they would have needed to face an enemy capital ship at night (when carriers couldn’t operate), but the fact they were tied to the fast carrier task forces prevented them from ever being able to accomplish this.
As always, an awesome and informative video Drach
Very interesting to hear that the Bismarck shell found in PoW would have never hit the ship if the fuse had functioned as designed.
I had never heard that before. I really learn things watching your video's.
I would like to see a video on HMS Lion, the WW1 BC.
People rave so much about how much damage the German BC's survived at Jutland yet they ignore Lion also took many hits but was still at sea, still combat capable and looking to continue the fight the next day while the German ships were hor's de combat and ran for home asap.
Although hit by less shells, these German shells worked as designed as opposed to the malfunctioning British one. Lion also carried less armour. So balancing that against the heavier German armour and ineffective British shells I'd say she took equivalent damage to SMS Seydlitz, yet was in far better fighting trim at the end of the battle.
Heavier inefficient British shells Vs Heavier German armour as opposed to lighter efficient German shells vs lighter British armour.
What are your thoughts on my reasoning??
The Lion class BC's are due a review later this year.
Personally I think the British BC design is more combat effective on paper, the ammo issues in terms of poor shell quality and bad cordite handling negated this at Jutland. But when it worked (eg HMS Tiger), they could take a huge battering from 11 and 12 inch shells, whereas the German BC's suffered more against 13.5 inch shells.
Seydlitz aside, the other surviving German battlecruisers WERE operational (though beaten up) at the end of the battle, and they were planning to retreat back to port from the very start of the battle. The fact they ran away as they had always planned to do doesn’t really say anything about how badly they were damaged.
Always love your videos.... your doing amazing work. Keep it up sir !!
the ijn were a bunch of tosas. I'm not sorry.
Isn't a Tosa a breed of dog?
Nor should you be.
Why though? 🤔
Ignorance breeds hate
50 cubes, 2 Amagi, no Kaga & Ashigara, my luck sucks :(
Oh hey, an AL!Com!
I want one of your CCs.
@@typehere6689 what CC's? Sorry im still new in that game
80 cubes and no amagi and kaga only hood for some reason
try 150 cubes with no foxes
Edit: Note: 200 cubes now, and I have both of em
Cool stuff, very interesting for me. I'm looking forward to see more. Can you add a playlist for every nation? So that we can see not only the ships compared by class.
Curiously and I dunno if you agree, but ironically of all the Japanese Battleships on the bottom right now, she has claim to be the least damaged and least radioactive of all Japanese Battleships.
Given that gunnery test for the hulk, the fluke dud and IJN's desire to 'exploit the glitch', we COULD argue that the hull that would've become the Tosa *aided* the little destroyers & dd-escorts in the Battle off Samar, with the long-fused main battery shells just passing THROUGH the Sam B. Roberts, Johnson, *et al.* and also hamper the effectiveness of the Yamato's batteries (also taking into account Kurita's confusion over his intended targets being cruisers and not destroyers).
"The battleship that never was that still managed to foil the efforts of its successor"
Who fired the first shots against the United States in World War II?
Nope, not Japan...
Can you do an episode about the USS Reuben James?
Suggestion for a ship(s) review: a combination of SS Hermann von Wissman and HMS Gwendolen, of Lake Nyasa fame.
At 0:23 in your intro video, there appears to be an undesired explosion in the turret which is firing. What is the story behind this event?
That "explosion" is the muzzle blast from the guns blowing stuff around.
Take a shot every time Drach says however
The British Empire would have to have taken Mexico and Florida to make all the extra rum needed for all the necessary Rum Rations!
Another cool vid teaching me stuff....some of it even sticks!!!
I REJECT MY CARRIER RETROFIT, AKAGI!
Have you considered doing a podcast mate? I’d love to listen to you talk about ships or battles but often like to listen to such things on the go.
The Drydock episodes are kind-of like that, but for a podcast I'd have to have a few others willing to take part on a regular basis.
Drachinifel they are, unfortunately I can’t run the UA-cam videos over my CarPlay while driving.
Do you mean like guest speakers or fellow hosts?
@@tophercaesar5375 guests and hosts. I could start hosting the audio of the drydock on soundcloud if that would help
Drachinifel I do some podcasting I’ll host with you. I’ll even help you find guests and write up the podcasts. I can edit for you and all of your like, I just think it would be a good platform for your voice and knowledge
Why would the Japanese signed tge washington navak treaty knowing that they could not use the hulls to complete their battlecruisers and battleships?
The British and Americans also had to either scrap or cancel a number of their own planned battleships and battlecruisers under the treaty restrictions. The Japanese signed the treaty largely because they did not have the financial or industrial capability to maintain the current naval building race with the U.S. or Britain if it had continued unrestricted. The Japanese would go on to forget or ignore this fact in the 1930s when they withdrew from the naval treaties, only to have it re-demonstrated to them in dramatic fashion during WWII.
@@Wolfeson28
Well put.
Luqman- Incidently, at least one Japanese Politician who signed the Treaty was murdered for promoting it, giving rise to the "Government by Assasination" policy the Empire engaged in right up to WW2.
Nguyen-Just the thing I should have added; well said!
@Nguyen Johnathan Correct. Just the same as the british could not afford to build the N3 class battleships. Even the G3 battlecruiser program [even though the finances were set aside for them] was unlikely to happen [but they were great bargaining chips]. Don't forget these nations also had expensive cruiser programs to fulfill.
Can I request a ship being put on the list? How about the Kii-Class or Number 13 Class Battleships?
Sure
Oh my...He actually responded. Nice,Thanks @@Drachinifel
Still haven't seen either
@@lukewilliams7075 The Kii is up now.
Hmph. Amagi vid released a few days before that mobile ship game event, and this popped up smack in its middle. What do I make of this?
Now i'm kinda suspicious with Sir Drachinifel with this upload :p
Ironically a massive coincidence, check some of the older videos, these two have been on the list for ages.
I was thinking the same thing. I just built AL's alt-history Kaga battleship and then I see this was uploaded not long ago. Pretty funny coincidence.
Given that Drach's list of ships to do is months, even years, old, it might be more likely to suspect that the devs of that mobile ship game timed their event to coincide with Drach's schedule (maybe they're fans?)
Keep up the great work great video.
How about a series on the ships of the Battle of the Atlantic - U-boats, escorts, escort carriers - in chronological order so as to track the rapid arms race of innovation and counter innovation?
If you want a more on that topic, I can recommend lindybeige's video, it's very informative on the battle of the Atlantic.
Do you play Azur Lane? Cause the way you released the Amagi and Tosa guides makes me wonder.
Channel owner said it's coincidental.
Your prediction for Tosa is true
Review the l20 class German postwar design
Actually as early as in Guadacanal that long fuze shell became trouble, even when it work as designed. Because they forgot that in real battle, ship is moving, so any holes under water will naturally flooding ship, and in high speed, means big hole and more water that if shell hit magazine, instead of causing catastrophic results, those water will come in and negate it
Fun fact: Hashima Island gained its nickname of Battleship Island (Gunkanjima) because its profile looks similar to Tosa.
The Ise class :D
Technical question about the dispersion of shells from a single turret: assuming a quad turret fires four shells simultaneously at the same angle, How far apart will the shells land at effective firing ranges?
Nice video
Second
To enjoy another great video.
The USS Tennessee please BB 43 the Volunteer Battlewagon !
I bet the decision to scuttle the Tosa I'm sure would later haunt the IJN in ww2. They would need that steel. I can see they wouldn't want anyone to observe any evidence of testing results, but still they could sheet all that up with canvas. Unless it was so unseaworthy that it couldn't be brought home. However 7:18 said scuttled.
Would having a heavy armour deck, say 4 inches, over a 1 inch armour deck to catch shell splinters count as layered armour?
If you wanted to count the 1 inch towards she'll protection, then yes.
IJN Admiral whenever somebody jokes about the Tosa: Tosoon
Takao class pls
Hmmm you made a video about amagi and tosa while there's an event in azur lane where the focus is on amagi and kaga(tosa class battleship). Well now is it just coincedence or?
Channel owner said it's coincidental.
He publishes his lists of next ships, it has been on the list for some time in this order...
IJN Tosa can be found in roblox game called naval 1918 as a high tier ship
I have never seen an assessment of Nelson and Rodney. Have I missed them?
Nope, due in the spring.
Is it realy possible that you dont have a video on the Iron Duke, or any other of the 13,5 inch super Dreadnoughts ?
The list is purely arbitrary in the order people requested it. I believe one is coming relatively soon this year.
Was secondary armament (5 inch guns and the like) effective in an anti-aircraft role???
No, that was intended as a defense against torpedo boats and close-in destroyers, who were seen as the primary potential threats to big gun cap-ships. Serious anti-air defense didn't enter design consideration until the 1930s, when it started to become obvious that a flight of planes could, in fact, seriously threaten a surface warship (keep in mind that the WWI vintage planes were little more than recon vehicles and couldn't carry ordinance heavy enough to seriously threaten a warship).
Hopefully will be in WOWs in a second ijn bb line..hopefully..
I'm still hoping that Wows will at some point split battleships and battlecruisers like they did for American heavy and light cruisers
Cleveland class?
El tosa y el kaga de haberse podido construir hubieran sido los mejores acorazados de su época con cañones de 406/50 mm
Maybe, but around the same time the uss South Carolina and the 5 other ships along with it would of had 406/50 mm guns in 4 triple turrets
why is the hood so big? why is the Lexington so big WHY ARE BATTLE-CRUISERS SO BIG!!!
They need long thin hulls to increase their speed. Short, stout hulls, while more maneuverable, are also inherently slower.
Longer hulls relative to beam increases speed, but also the need for considerably more machinery, the amount of power needed to increase speed increases dramatically past about 18-20 knots and the curve keeps getting steeper.
Thanks to both answers, i ment this as more of a joke but now i know haha
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@@Drachinifel Hence why HMS Hood develops 144,000 shp for 31 knots when HMS Queen Elizabeth makes 24 knots with 75,000 shp even with a less speed efficient hull
This got no dislike so far
Shimakaye class destroyers
Despite their fame in yet another game(Emperor protect if the channel owner somehow manages to mix the one in question here and which made that tin can famous and the other one which has an event covering the battlewagons in the recent guides), fairly little videos on them have been made.
Wargaming should’ve put Tosa instead of Amagi for World of Warships/Legends :v
To fight Iowa nope
@@nicholasrussellgriffith9650 Well, Iowa and Amagi are the same tier. And it’s not like Amagi has we original armor scheme in the game. It has a hypothetical modernization based off of a similar one that modernized Nagato historicaly where she has a much more feasible armor scheme. I can see Tosa receiving that change as well, with just better armor than Amagi, since Tosa is a battleship and not a battlecruiser
@@Aelvir114 they had original hull which I used to play. It was pain when you uptired in 1923 hull compare to fictional modernized hull
8:18
Source for those images?
It's a scale model of Kaga blown up for the 1960's Toho films about the War in the Pacific
@@Drachinifel
Ahh, okay.
I thought they looked familiar, because they were used in stock footage for the Midway movie.
You know,I always wondered,thy all those mega riche twats that have his mega yachts built that all look pretty much the same.I wonder if could, instead of a yacht, build and exact replica of say hms dreadnought, without armor and fake guns but so that about the water line it looked exactly the same as the original.You could even go a step there and have and escort carrier with something like kitfoxs or highlanders to make up the "airwing".It would have to be a smaller capital ship, can't imagine even Bill Gates having the money for a Tillman.Maybe I'm just crazy but wouldn't it just be the Pinnacle of cool
Oh, believe me, I've thought about this, though unfortunately I am not mega rich. 😁
I've always wondered about having a real warship and sinking the mega-raich twats yachts. I think that's my inner pirate talking.
@@blackrabbit212 If it wasn't for undersea nav charts' limitations even the US Navy has issues with (e.g., USS Connecticut), I'd have my own personal Gato-class with a standard USN nuclear reactor propulsion plant and Semper Iratus-approved Mark XIV torpedoes...
...although a Samuel B Roberts, but with the Mark XXXVII fire control system controlling its pair of 5"/38 dual purpose guns, we can Chikuma the mega-rich yachts.
I don’t get it, why all the pomp and circumstance around constructing battleships. This channel goes long in bringing a lot of sense to modern naval warfare especially during World War I and World War II. Wouldn’t it have made better sense to just build a whole bunch of heavy cruisers with 9 inch guns along with a whole bunch of destroyers and just use swarm tactics to take out assembled battle fleets.
In WWII, when carriers dominated, putting new services into service was genuinely a poor choice (albeit nobody had proof of this so everyone made this error anyways, with some nations continuing to build more battleships even afterwards).
But in WWI there really wasn’t anything that could seriously threaten battleships (heavy cruisers weren’t a thing yet, armoured and protected cruisers lacked the firepower, destroyers and subs would have to use torpedoes much less capable than WWII torpedoes, and subs were too slow for fleet actions, even in WWII).
I have a small feel this was not scheduled in advance, but its only bc an Weeb Game decided to release that ship(-class)...
gerfand it was in the list in order long before the game mate
Yep, this has been on the list for over a year.
@@Drachinifel I know, its just that Azur Lane decided to Launch Kaga in the Pre Washington Treaty version
History "based" Weebshit is the cancer of history
Don't forget the Good Ol' USD Enterprise. ;)
Still no video about the 'Most Useful Capital ships' of the IJN. :-(
Yeet
Damn it. i wasn't first
The Captain Hyrdoofus was an naval ignoramus.
It should have been RIDICULOUSLY obvious to even an intelligent child.
That the order for a battleship should ALWAYS be - armour, gunpower and then speed.
This should have been 'well duh' even before Jutland.
What's the point of having superior speed if you cannot stand up to the enemies guns?
And 'no' Jackie.
Speed is NOT armour.
DUH!!!
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Which one of you uncultured savages left a dislike?
Love the channel.
But the opening is ANNOYING.
I skip it EVERY time.
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The only reason I'm here is because of Azur Lane
This week before May, Tosa herself won't be glorified target practice no more!
EDIT: Fast forward button to now