King-Song KS-S18 - 1000km Review - I've had enough
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Funny as my S18 arrives today. For us regular people a 10 mile ride + is a nice hour or so out of the house and I don't spend my day dodging cars and jumping curbs. I live in Florida, its flat, no 30 degree climbs, unless I intentionally rode up a gigantic culvert I can't see a problem with its performance and my electric scooters all go less than 30 mph, so we can all keep pace with one another. Last thoughts, watching you abuse the heck out of that thing and its still going I would give it 5 stars for that alone.
Looks more than enough for your average rider!
I have >1000KM on my S18. It lacks the sustained power for 30mph. If you're wise you'll watch your current draw and keep it under 20A. With headwinds that only gets me to about 20mph. Tailwind with mild slope I've done 35mph on my S18. But commuting on it my average speed is only about 20mph. S22 on the other hand, average 25mph with peaks at 39mph (so far).
I have been using my S18 for more than a year, which I am quite happy with. It is my 4 wheel drive and the only thing I don't like is that it has less power than the KS16X that I had before, but it is ONLY noticeable after 50% battery. Before that point the wheel behaves very well, the suspension is a silent and progressive delight, easy to carry and grateful in range if you do not force it. I go out with my wife on routes of about 40 to 60km and I never arrive home with less than 30% charge. In offroad mountains things change, I can easily consume the battery in 45km, that's fine, it's not a problem since it's a price to pay for its contained weight but good performance. I recommend it as the first wheel only if you want to flow smoothly on roads and streets with average distances of no more than 50km and taking into account going at a walking pace of between 20 to 40kmh, you will undoubtedly enjoy this wheel a lot. By the way, the maintenance is quite simple, the suspension does not lose pressure, the parts do not break easily and in general you can use it reliably.
Adam, remember you ride these things for a living! Takes us a lot longer to get bored by stairs!!
This was an amazing first effort on a full suspension wheel, there is room for improvement, but this wheel is ground-breaking. I can't wait to see the next KS announcement soon.
Same!
KS20
20in wheel
1800Wah
2500w motor
@@Kay0Bot is that speculation lol
@@snoopdoggthecertifiedg6777 yah 😁😜
@@Kay0Bot what we really need is a kingsong with over a 2000 wh battery capacity, that’s what I want lmao
The S18 is for a rider like me who wants the shock absorption but doesn't want to abuse the wheel. No offense of course. :)
I really don't like the v11 shock, it's way too floaty and your legs move up and down, instead of the whole wheel moving, so it totally chafes. it sucks compared to the s18 lol
@@snoopdoggthecertifiedg6777 That is interesting. I've not heard of the chaffing issue before. Thanks for bringing it up.
@@kmg501 well if you think about it, pedal suspension is pretty inherently flawed
I agree. I don't do long rides and I don't do FAST rides so the S18 is just great for me. I'm very happy with mine.
Is s18 suitable as my first wheel? Never ride an euc before so I'm not sure. Some ppl said that for a beginner better start with non suspension wheel.
Hi and welcome to Wrong Way! And today I'm going to review the Kingsong S18 after 1000 km abuse.
Still LOVE my S18 - 1,300km in now and 0 issues. I don't dirt jump it though :P
i done 3500 km and i like this wheel it fit my need very wheel i really like the suspension. it is good for my knee ( i am 63 )
Thank you. I’m looking to get my first euc and I’m liking this one. User feedback is a big deal to me. I also don’t plan on going off road, maybe in the future but I won’t really abuse it.
Hi Adam, this video would actually be a great commercial for the S18. You went up and down so many stairs on it during the course of this video and did so many jumps, you really enabled the S18 to show it's stuff. Also, it looks like you rode around Warsaw twice, showing that ds18 has pretty good range, lol.
The step sequence scene in the beginning is awesome!
Do they build stairs for the purpose on riding up them on an EUC in Poland? All of the stairs around me in (Georgia, United States) are about 2-3 times higher per step than your Polish stairs, making them nearly impossible to ride up on a EUC.
I select the stairs that are a bit lower :) however some are indeed steep and harder to do. I’ll tackle those in the future on my msp ;)
Also good to have beeps instead of face plant. Not all of us fall as gracefully as Adam did during that S18 disabling jump.
I just got my RS19 HS out of storage and must admit, despite not having suspension, it's more fun to ride than the V11 with the super high pedals and lower power. Isn't the MSP just the prior version of the RS? What about the MSP makes it preferable to the RS? Lower pedals and no hollow motor? Lighter weight?
That's exactly the thing, with too many limitations a wheel will leave you frustrated, so in the end a niche feature like suspension just isn't enough. It's the same for all the suspension wheels out now IMHO, maybe next generation suspension wheels will be less limiting in other ways and way more interesting.
Eh, its the EUC equivalent of a dirt bike. Different models have different tradeoffs, it's made for off road riding rather than as a road cruiser.
The S18 seems to be doing some heavy duty work in Ukraine right now if Ukranian social media is to be believed. Good off road mobility, easy enough to use that other tasks can be done while on it, can recharge drones with the USB port.
What limitations does it have ? Will it be good as a first wheel for short commutes for 95kg rider?
@@vim55k speed and most important range, if you're new to EUC you might think you're just going to commute but then when you learn you will fall in love with it and wish for more
Hey Adam before you sell your S18 consider reprogramming the control-board. I've heard that reprogramming the control-board will allow a stock S18 to do 45mph! Also the performance & safety characteristics could be reprogrammed to duplicate any wheels parameters that a rider would want! If the batteries were upgraded then the wheel could have 100+ miles of driving range!
Holey moley that's a thing now? Could you post the link? Haven't been up to date with electricunicycleforums for more than a year already
Lol, there is no such mod. The paper version (rendering only) of the 126v s20 can't even do 45 miles an hour, it is capped off at about 43mph.
Would that be a good beginner's wheel for someone with gimpy joints who weighs @240#? I'm in my 50s and looking for a short-distance commuter wheel. Really enjoying your insight into these things.
I mean... It still sounds like a really, really good wheel if you had to spend another 1000+ to find one that replaces it.
What an epic intro lol , love it
may i know what mic and camera you use ?
My 16s cut out like that off of a couple feet drop as well. I got quite hurt, however. It makes me question if its synonymous with the brand. Love your content!!!
People expected too much from an 1100Wah battery EUC. Suspension doesn't change that.
Imagine An Mten with suspension. People are instantly aware of it's limitations but they couldn't see that with S18. 🙃
If I'm just causing on this thing is it okay
So is there a better one than s18 at around the same price? I’m looking for my first euc so it would be nice to add another option
Enjoying my S18 as a first wheel for me. I don’t do long rides, commutes, or extreme hill climbs on it though. An extra 1p worth of battery would have been nice to reduce battery sag a bit to make better use of the motor. Maybe a removable 1p pack attached in parallel would be possible for longer rides?
Was thinking about getting this one to learn on.
Basically confirmed what I thought. Its great for casual riders/city that likes suspension.
I ride off trail and needed to add battery and added padding to protect motherboard. Reenforce frame
This is just perspective. Sure people who have a 3000w wheel will say a 2200w wheel is for casual riders. But I'm coming for an Airwheel X3 and then a V8f. A S18 is very capable on trails. Consider also the acceptable weight of 25 kg.
Yes a Patton has more power. But it's almost 40kg.
Can the suspension be adjusted to like without one?
Oh no, but you are right. Offroad trails its spot on but for what you using it for not ideal. I was out on mine today doing some canal path and forest trails and its just super smooth.
Is it worth getting new s18 in 2022?
Is it also easy to over power v11 motor? I am thinking of buying v11. Its for city use. Roads here are not awful but not great either.
Are stairs way harder on a hard axel wheel? I’ve only ridden the ninebot one e+ and the s18, and stairs have become very easy for me as well. I’m thinking about getting the RS torque; I’m just worried that stairs will become a problem and I will have to ride around them or carry the wheel.
going down is very easy, as long as you have good knees and know how to do it, but I wouldn't go up them on the RS. It can do it, just riskily. curbs are no problem when you transfer your weight
it is still the best wheel for those who don't need much range and power. Hell, there are lots of people who is riding V8 and 14d wheels. For 90% of riders S18 is more power and more range than actually need.
I would go for 30-50% more range though, if it was free (weight-wise). S20 is cool and all, but way too heavy.
i want to buy this one for food delivery job, it will be so much fun for just riding this around the city
*this wheel is still the most handsome wheel in the world.*
I was just thinking that I’d love a EUC tour of Warsaw.. (though slower and with less steps!!)
Sounds good. I'll get one.
Its about preference but tbh if i had this kingsong wheel i would primaly use it on the road and not off road or trying to make jumps with it so its last longer in years. Just my 2cent ! For offroad id take my mountain bike !
Hey bud! I'd love to put my hands on your wheel. It has gone through tough situations and.. well most of them are recorded. Because we are building a wheel, having your wheel in hands would be quite useful making our own a deal breaker. We are based in Canada, but after my stay in mexico i'll spend few months in France. Maybe we could work something out?
Distantces!!!! I love it :)
Fajnie po tym kaskadzie ze schodów na początku
Are you considering the new Molicel battery pack S18 variant sold by eWheels?
All of your complaints come from misuse. How can you blame the wheel for this? Without bias I enjoy my KS-18. It does everything well and nothing perfectly. No wheel is a better happy medium IMHO. I just bought 2 Mten3’s for my kids.
Hello Adam! Just changed my S18 tire and now when I turn it on, it won’t turn off properly anymore. I have to plug in the charger for it to turn off properly.
Do you have any idea what it could be? App shows 100% 84v. Wheel rides no problem.
Did you fix it?
@@Kay0Bot sure did! New mobo!
Thank you for asking! 😃 🏆
@@DrWizzles motherboard got broken somehow?
Brilliant wheel for a first try I think. Next time maybe same suspension, 16" and a bigger battery. Good video as usual, but not exactly a sales pitch for your wheel - you know one careful lady owner, never raced or rallied :-)
Hello from Ukraine. Thanks for nice video.
1) What backpack are you riding with?
2) In case you choose from 18XL and S18, what would be the wheel you pick?
I hope you are safe.. May the god be with you
@Atheistme I chose 18XL for better range, power headroom and less complexity
Adam, after gotway rs, v12 ok?
The more I'm looking at these videos, wonder why, most of wheels doesn't have rubberised panels or corners on it, or even some alum cage bumber to avoid to brake anything.
Same is with folded seat, I've noticed that after longer ride some riders sat on the wheel...cause of the feet pain, fatigue etc? If so, why there no folded seat.
By the way, if u run through all the stairs so easily that u get bored, I think it's very good.
I have the s18 but i ordered the sherman with the coupon wrong way! 👍🏻The reason : the range … 20 km max and i must go back home🤨
Odd, never overpowered once going up hills or anything, never get those beeps. 59kg rider here, can actually push over 100km range on a charge. I seem to be having a better experience than most.
Sounds like slow riding lol.
@@AG.Floats I'm the only S18 rider in my crew constantly pushing over 50km/h, others are too afraid of cutouts :P Moving on to the S20 anyways ;)
Looking for a wheel for videography, top priority is smoothness and low speed steadiness. So atm this looks like the best but no one seems to adress this use case so I have no idea
Il concorrente dell's18 (a pari peso) quale è? Secondo me è l'unico che offre sospensione e peso "umano".
Is unicycle is finished after using 1000 km :)
performance matters for advance riders.
Hello, you have to try this with other suspension, like we updated, it drives like 2 times better :-)
OK, that is annoying.
IF they would just do what we are ALL asking for on this wheel it would be a great wheel.
so how do you feel about the Veteran Sherman or the MSP for stairs and offroad then?
If I didn't I live in anotehr country id buy it from you anyway just because I do still like the suspension idea.
Love the honest review. I love the suspension implementation from an engineering approach but I had a feeling the wheel’s overall performance was just going to be the Achilles heel. Looking forward to the next iteration of suspension wheels. All eyes on Veteran for what would be their blend of suspension ride effectiveness and performance.
Which gloves are you wearing?
I think it is traditional wrists safety gloves. for the rollers
For me the thing is the S18 is 1900 and the monster pro is 3500 like it should be better. Other wheels they compare to the S18 are more expensive by hundreds of dollars or more. In my opinion there is room for future battery packs to be available for the S18 so ima save my money and use it for new parts down the road. The V11 is so ugly....
Just made my order so the white s18 :)
Hi Adam, just wondering what kind of pedal you had on the s18. I have it as my first wheel so probably will take a bit of time to see its drawbacks you mentioned.
I do find myself slipping off the stock pedal so I am looking for a honeycomb to help.
Thanks :)
I grabbed the KS14D, and man, I've been fighting myself not to return it.
The pads are flat on the side and my legs don't actually grip them. When I bend my knees and try to keep loose, its wobble city. Only way I can ride is straight stiff.
Feeling like I should of bought this one.
You could get better padding? Or look at what other 14D people do with theirs?
I'm just learning on mine, and I'm trying to use a wide stance for stability reasons on the pedals, but it means I'm not gripping my wheel at all with my legs.
I'm working on conditioning my muscles, feet and ankles, until they're relaxed but strong enough to handle this style, and have the rider experience to react minimally appropriately to not throw myself off balance. Switching to a wide stance on the pedals got me from short distance traveling in my learning process, to going huge distances, and I can even do very slow turns now!
Good luck, wherever you go on your EUC journey!
I have no problem bending my knees or even sitting down on my 14d, check your footing
Good one wrong way! if you have being like me 220lbs you would never ride this thing unless theyre ismore battery...i ride the v11 and oh yeah a hell of a nice ride
plz make video with comparission Monster vs MonsterPro. Two best cruisers, but which one better...?
Monster is not a cruiser because it doesn’t have a cruiser battery by today’s standards. However if I buy a monster pro I’ll make one in the future
@@mr_wrongway ok, but cruisers needs RANGE, not battery. Todays standards are bigger motors, they use more power, so they eat battery faster. Monster real range is 100km on 1845wh battery, smaller engine needs less energy, Ex/Exn have huge 2700wh battery but range 90-120km. Difference muuuch smaller than difference in battery capacity.
You make riding look so easy
It's easy after you did it a lot.
On group rides our s18 guys always need to charge at stops...poor s18 guys. Range anxiety on a top priced EUC in 2021 really shouldn't happen.
Point taken…But it’s horses for courses. If you want the range, you have to have the weight and size that entails. Many people really don’t need massive range or a 30 + kg wheel.
I'm not so sure, but I think you had typical battery trouble with metall contact line between 18650 elements. Need to disable 2 bigger cartridges and one should has the issue
S18 for sale. One careful owner 😀
just how often do you fall off?
45 psi on the MSP?? What is your weight? On my MSP c30 I feel like it gets way to skittish even going over 30psi
I weigh 75kg without gear :)
Hii, so maybe some of you can guide me. I really don't know whether to get the s18 or the v11.
I've watched so many videos and my decision balanced between the two every single time.
First I was attracted to the s18, then. I thought it was more for off-road and the v11 seemed better for cities, and better acceleration and comfortable etc.. But I heard it has several issues with motherboards and that it can turn off by itself, which scares me.. Otherwise I'd go for the v11..
Still, is the s18 safer then? Even for cities and casual hikes?..
By the way I'm currently having a v8, that works just fine, but I need better sensations.
Either choice for what you described as your regular riding
Lol, The people looking at you got past like you from another planet, I had dude in a shop yesterday an guy actually said, I thought he was from out of space talking about me with my body armour and helmet on lol,
!!!HUSTON WE HAVE A PROBLEM!!! My S18 did the EXACT same thing regarding it not turning on after your jump/bale out. Even the resolution of plugging in the charger to get it working again. HOWEVER after several weeks (this past weekend) the same thing happened again and now IT WONT TURN ON!!!! Plugging in the charger did nothing. If I wait for about an hour and press the power button, the Light Flashes, the Rear Light cycles and get two beeps but just dies after that. I've checked my connections and every thing looks tight.
Haven't posted this on the EUC forums yet nor contacted eWheels but you might want to look out for other symptoms in your wheel. For instance, just before this, my wheel was turning itself on after turning it off and putting it in the trunk of my car.
Did you ever resolve this issue?
@@jeffreytong Yes, It was a bad battery pack. S18 battery packs are easily stressed if subjected to multiple crashes and/or drops on it's side. The plastic outer shell of the packs are plastic and prone to bending causing breaks in the nickel strips inside.
@@5Cauac Thanks for sharing. I'm sorry to hear that. Did you end up replacing the battery? If so, how much did it cost?
@@jeffreytong it was still under warranty from Ewheels at the time. The one replaced was the front right. They are around 3 bills.
@@5Cauac Interesting. Thanks again for sharing!
Hopefully you are offering your s18 at a massive discount as you have beaten the absolute life out of it. 👊👊👊
Whats the name of that back pack?
Boblbee Megalopolis (not producent anymore) succesor is point65 boblbee gt 25L
@@mr_wrongway Thank you. Looks cool. Love the videos.
Be Well from Will and Mr Data :) :]
Personally, I don't need to climb stairs or 30-degree slopes to enjoy the comfort of the suspension that I find nowhere else. And I find its performance sufficient for mainly urban use.
It's not because it has a suspension that it's a wheel intended for offroad
When the S18 came out, you were in love with it. For good reason, as it was best in class. The latest wheels are upping the ante, and now you're in love with them. I don't think that it's fair to backtrack (ie, rewrite history) and start dissing the S18. Just my two cents. Perhaps I misunderstood. If so, apologies.
Yes. And if we consider the weight there is still not a single new suspension wheel that can match the S18.
Hello my friend, thank you for all the awesome content! Let me ask you something after I've changed the tire of my S18 when I turn on the wheel she's spinning like crazy, at the first time I got scared and my Handle bend, but until now I can't identify the problem, did you saw something like that? I'll appreciate it if you can help me!
Hey there! I think your tire is stuck against the inner mudguard. Try turning the wheel without turning it on just by using your hand and see if it’s stuck. Remove mudguard or cut down excessive rubber
@@mr_wrongway Hi, thank you for your fast reply, I don't know if did you get my last response with a drive link, but anyway, the tire isn't stuck, the wheel just spin like crazy when I turn it on and I think that's a dangerous behavior if this happens in a public place or near to a street, I'll try to send the link that simulate that problem on a next message
@@mr_wrongway I've sent the drive link to you email, since here isn't allowed ✌
Yeah . Love kingsong but i thinks the s18 is a toy wheel.
$2,300 (us). if I had an extra $2,300 this is the last place id spent. $500, maybe?
You forgot to tell us if Monster Pro is better? LOL!
this is classic adrenaline junkie-itus, if going down 20 sets of stairs at 20 miles an hour on a electric unicycle becomes boring, that is a you problem, not a EUC problem, once you have th new thing, you get bored and want the next new thing, junkies have the same issue with women, food, tools, cars, ect, nothing is ever good enough for very long, for me a non adrenaline junkie type person, this wheel would be amazing for me, until it stopped working or caught on fire or whatever they do at the end of their life cycle, i just want something faster then walking, more fun than biking, and smaller then a electric longboard.
most regular people can only afford one of these things, like the majority of people dont have 4-6 wheels laying around at home, i myself have zero because they just cost to much to even get your foot in the door (for regular people that have wives and kids and all that) i havnt tried buying used , but so far most people are morons and try and get what they paid for it even though they put a thousand miles on it >.
Everything you wrote is pure truth. Most of these euc UA-camrs are jaded and spoiled by having half a dozen high performance wheels laying around. I just bought a V10f two months ago as my first wheel and I love it. I ride it daily and I love its performance even though it has a top speed of 40km/hr. This guy "wrong way" is complaining about how he's bored with the s18's performance and talking about all his other wheels. Unbelievable. I would kill for an s18. These guys don't know how fortunate they are.
S18 has the best suspension but too weak performance unfortunately.
that is what has me so frustrated with wanting to buy one but still wavering on it.
@@rayge TBH the reviewers in the EUC world are to picky cause they can just have what ever wheel for free and they are paid to up sell you. If you aren't trying to push the wheel to the limit I think it will be very good. My city is only 17 miles across any way. If this fits your trip route and the speed of traffic buy it.
@@HBFsalde I'm in a tiny town as well. Speeds on the roads right where I live have a speed limit of 45mph / 72kmh
So I just have to be careful if I use it on those places.
@@HBFsalde I was thinking about this as well. I have an Evolve carbon GT and I rarely go over 25 kph because I just enjoy the ride. I never try to push it too hard. I think the S18 is still a solid choice if you're not a fanatic adrenaline junkie.
Bought this wheel today. This is my first unicycle experience. So far there is no even understanding how to approach it. It seems impossible to move on it :)
Keep knees bent never stiff.
Start out with your hand on a wall, stand on the wheel and step off repeatedly, get used to getting on and off it's the hardest part.
Next practice rocking back and forth with your hand on a wall to get used to accelerating and braking.
Next, slowly roll down the wall and stop, repeat repeat until you can do it with no hands.
At this point you've got the fundamentals and are well on your way!
OK, I understand... Adam does not like this wheel, because when he riding upstairs it's beeping on him. XD
If you lived where I live, you wouldn't ride anything else.
you have a very beautiful city to ride EUC buddy, here in San Francisco is a very challenging area to ride, vehicle drivers are very aggressive to EUC or E-Scooter Riders, no fun to ride on street, but unfortunately going to work has to be share the street with those idiot car drivers. it is just NOT fun.
Going down stairs in comfort is not thrilling for you any more, so.. you’ve lost interest in the s18?
Hard to mad about his personal review, when all you need to do is turn the sound off to get a visual review of what it’s capable of. Thrill seekers appreciate his advice, there are slow riders who give reviews catered to beginners or people who aren’t thrill seekers. It’s of great note to a thrill seeker that he isn’t thrilled.
I don't own it. Msx 100v here. But I know the best and most advanced euc on the market when I see it. Enthusiasts that need more speed and acceleration than s18 provides are in a tiny minority (and often get maimed by their euc at some point given enough riding hours)
I have zero km review....
Man... so many subjectively different views on the S18... some valuable information in every review though. People's opinion of the S18 seems to mainly hinge on two things, rider weight and performance expectations or riding style. If you're
Different environments as well. Somebody commuting on tarmac will need a different damping than a European riding on 19th century cobblestones.
Very nice. Sorry not good
what is "one eighties"? 🙄
Thumbnail lol
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American Muscle cars = Sherman/Begode
- always under the hood trying to make it faster or making it work
- great for straight line speed and cruising
Honda = KS / Inmotion
- A to B
- reliable
- still fun but nothing like the hot rod
I guess I am a Honda guy as I own a S18.
KS just has to make their wheels water proof and no chance of cut outs. Then they will be the perfect eco-EUC for the common man.
reinforcement are needed for the us consumer
chinese produts for adults are built like kid toys
Give as a gift, because in Ukraine the salary does not allow to buy an electric scooter.
Poproszę też po Polsku ;) bo ni hu hu english ;)
So you are saying it is too good and that is boring.
The thing about S18 that most people need to grasp is that is not a "main wheel". Its a "side wheel". A wheel you buy for fun and to do fun things on it and etc. If you buy a V11 and an S18. You have a main wheel and a side wheel since V11 can be cosidered as a main wheel.
S18 just doesnt have enough battery. Its not powerful enough for most people and there is a only a few things that it does best which is offroad, freestyle and tricks. Every one of that disciplines screams "side-wheel".
If you have to go 10km to the city im pretty sure you grab the V11. Just cause. Its designed for commuting so its comfortable at using it for that.
Send it to me, i'll pay you 1000€
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