Is the Molicel Battery Upgrade Worth It? Unboxing the King Song S18 Special Edition
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- Опубліковано 26 вер 2024
- What's the big deal about the Molicel P42a battery cells and will it make a difference with the King Song S18 Special Edition? We turn to battery expert @TheBoardGarage for the answers.
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Excellent video as always. 🙏 Thank you for having me on, Jimmy!
Of course! Thank you so much for sharing your expertise!
Great job Mario!!
We need more crossovers like these in the PEV world.
@@depichu Like a PEV Cinematic Universe... 🤔
Thanks for having Mario in the video! Voltage sag and the true Wh (energy) delivered by the pack are critical. Much more important than the capacity rating and even the current rating (as long as you are not abusing that). The P42A is a great performer and an even better cell is on the way, the P45B, that will hopefully be used by the manufacturers.
P45B you say?? I must do some research, after I bow to Mooch! Lol
Thanks for the mention of the future P45B cell. Was just reading up on it.
Looking forward to a range test and maybe an acceleration test compared with the normal S18
You touch on a point that I think needs to be addressed by manufacturers… but they are so focused on the high speed, long range audience… but nobody is catering at all to the folks who don’t ride 40+ miles at a time…. Wish there were more options at the 30MPH / 40-50lbs spec of wheel! Not all of us wanna spend days in the gym just to be able to deadlift our EUCs!
Yea that's why I don't want a heavier wheel. I need to throw it in the car without a ramp or throwing out my back
Agreed! The sub 50lbs performance wheels seem limited to the Tesla and MCM5v2. Wish there were more options in this nimble weight class
@@shoakman I'd throw the V10F and the 16X in there... but how old are all these wheels??
@@DerekKwan I was thinking of just the wheels under 50lbs. I think the v10 and 16x are a bit heavier?
@@shoakman V10F is 45lbs... 16X is 51lbs... (16XS is 48lbs) ... but there hasn't been anything in this category in the past couple years at least, right? :)
After watching this video and seeing that the S22 won’t be shipped until July,I went ahead and got the S18 Special Edition. I like riding trails and all, but the majority of the time I’m a city rider. I’m looking forward to feeling the difference of the S18 and my current ride, a 16x.
Thanks for the video!
Hey John, I was thinking of doing the same thing. What kind of range are you getting on the S18 Molicel?
@@mikeintampa250 I haven’t pushed it to its limit, but a twenty-five mile ride was no problem at all. For me, I bought the new battery so Performance wouldn’t degrade so badly when the battery dropped below 50%. So far, I haven’t been disappointed.
Super helpful to have Mario give us an expert explanation of the differences between batteries.
Mario is great!
This video very clearly explains the difference in performance between onewheel XR and GT, with the XR analogous to the S18 (old battery) and GT analogous to the S18 (molicel). The battery performance difference manifests with the exact symptoms described here.
I think they should be putting P42A's in every new high performance wheel made. Excellent informative video!
I was kinda hoping you were gonna give this a bad review. Lol. I just bought my first EUC a few weeks ago. First I watched a ton of youtube videos by you, Chooch, Ginger, Wrong Way, etc. During that time of course I watched the video of the new Kingsong catching fire in NYC. So of course after I ordered my S18 from Ewheels and Jason emailed me asking if I wanted to wait a couple weeks, pay a couple extra hundred bucks and get a new special S18 with a new battery, I said no. I didn't want to be one of the first to get it only to find it prone to blowing up. Now I kinda think I should have waited. Oh well. But whatever! I'm loving this thing. Did my first ride across town yesterday and it was amazing! Thanks for all your great videos!
I got the XL Kai pads for my S18. Love them! They replace the lower X shaped pads the wheel comes with, so they look like they were made for it from the factory. I got them mostly to hold me on better for curb hops, as I am nervous about overpowering the wheel with the original batteries. Might be looking to upgrade my battery packs soon...
WELL DONE GUYS! Please keep preaching to everyone that we NEED high discharge cells in all EUCs. Its total nonsense to put high capacity cells in EUCs.
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Sorry Andrew.... you're demoted 🤣Jimmy's son did an excellent stand in for you today on this S18 Special look. On a serious note though.. good to see King Song looking at ways to improve an older model instead of begoding a new one instead... That was really nice to see... "we have a good wheel.. lacking in a few areas.. can we improve it without having to make a whole new wheel" Thanks as always Jimmy for sharing and see you on the next episode
I loved the instructional bit on how batteries work. As a newbie to PEVs, it’s important info which is frequently overlooked
I got the molicel version a few weeks ago and really enjoy it, I live in a strange area to ride and most of my riding is around my yard and in the woods beside my house, since the S22 has been delayed I went for the 18 molicel for it's better torque (hopefully) and lighter weight and I'm glad I did. It feels very similar acceleration wise as my MCM5V2 and of course the suspension is butta. I figured I'd run the battery down quick but it's not bad even at my 210lbs, I did also opt for the fast charger which is a good investment imo. Oh, I haven't even added pads yet, it won't really be for power but for stability.
How long does it take to charge the S18 from empty to full with the regular charger VS the fast charger?
@@SupaaManix
You know, I don't remember, I tried 2 of them and neither would fully charge (best was 95% per EUC world) so I sent both back, cool wheel though and maybe they were charging to 100%, I never checked voltage at the packs.
I have a set of the Molicel P42A packs coming for my Nikola, and am happy to see these finally become available for EUCs after reading about them on the E-Skate groups.
Is there a place to purchase them? I'm interested
@@KiyenneFox EWheels is selling them.
Thanks Jimmy for the great review! I just got the S18 with the Molicels as my first wheel, and I'm glad to get some validation in my purchase. As a larger rider, I haven't had any problems with it, but I do not plan on doing anything extreme on it anyway. I'm looking forward to getting the hang of EUCs and having some fun. You recommended some better pedals and power pads, where do you get those from?
Thank you! Much needed education
Yeah Molicel cells are the only ones I want in any future battery, until something even better comes along. I have been trying to get a custom 72v 18ah triangle built with these cells, but can't find a reliable builder. Thank you for this excellent video. Cheers.
I love that you ran into to that dude who knew you! I lived in denver for 3 years and discovered you AFTER I moved away..
was looking forward to the reviews for this edition ..love S18
I've been enjoying mine as a first wheel. Hoping to see someone with more experience test the limits of the Molicel packs and to see where its limits and cutouts might be.
Jimmy enjoy your channel. In fact because of it my wife and I own 3 scooters. 2 Yumes a d4+ and a Y10. Then just got a wolfking gt pro. Loving all of it. One more thing... My wife and I are 68 years old. Just goes to show you your only as old as you feel.
Hey Jimmy, loved the video, but was hoping to get your thoughts on power delivery, tourque and range vs. the original version. Penny for your thoughts?
Just an unboxing and impressions video. Review in the works!
I just got Kai power pads for my S18. It's a must have if you're riding that wheel!
That interaction was so damn wholesome!
Great video, I have a Sherman just over one year old but found myself wanting a suspension wheel last November, I didn’t want to take a risk on a first edition s20 so went for the s18. I had no idea that they had any updates coming so surprise! I have not had a chance to do much on the S18 and it is getting some sweet pads fitted at the moment I will upgrade my foot plates myself. Get to the point I hear you say. Can you change the battery pack just switch them over I guess it’s not that simple. Fantastic video once again thank you.
John
I’d be interested in a range test on the molicel pack vs the standard pack.
My first take of the euc was that it looked like full face helmet.
Awesome 😎 thanks brother 🙏
Voltage sag is very important. The electric power delivered is Watts = voltage x current.(amps) . The motor has windings, the controller has resistance and transients, the battery has interconnects, and connecting everything is wiring and connectors. Measurable resistance is everywhere. The losses due to resistance (heat) are amps (squared) x resistance. As the voltage sags, the amps go up to deliver the same power, but the resistance losses (heat) rise exponentially. So, if the voltage sags 10&, the amps rise 10% but the heat generated rises by 21%. Resistance rises with temperature. So, more power is consumed in resistance losses which reduces the voltage getting to the motor which must be compensated by more amps to maintain power. This goes around in circles and can lead to thermal runaway. This is the primary reason our wheels have increased voltage. However, high voltage MOSFETS are more expensive and there are diminishing returns for increasing the voltage. Motors also generate back emf which is a generator effect. The faster these motors run, the more back emf or blocking voltage is generated. Back emf is the reason you have a no load speed when you lift a running wheel. You cannot eliminate resistance, but its one of the trade off choices that have to be made by the manufacturer. Changing the battery pack is about the only thing you can to about it as a consumer.
such a great video as always!
I just got a Nikola with molicel packs today from ewheels. Gonna see how it feels tomorrow.
Please please please if you could update how are you going with that 🙏 I’m not sure between the KS16X or Nikola + (Molicel battery) .
@@oshintaoo I would go with the Nikola over the 16x even if it had the normal battery packs. But I'll be bsck here later with my impressions.
nikola plus for sure. sidewalk Ferrari!
@@TroubleshootGamingMeds for sure the Niko been a 100v it’s a better wheel no doubts….but the recents news of Nikolas getting on fire it’s the reason to think it twice.
I will wait for your further update 🙏
@@oshintaoo hey I'm back! Rode the new molicel nik about 50 miles. Honestly I feel no difference in range, power, torque or anything. I would still purchase it over 16x, as these battery packs should still be "safe" but don't expect it to outperform a regular old Nikola in any way.
S18 is a sick wheel. I'm light and love the stock batteries it shreds offroad I've felt nothing better.
great video Jimmy and Ethan, love the idea of P42A battery in them... what a great idea.. s18 problem was the energy delivery and chance of cut out if pulling too much power... i guess this solves the problem... how you liking the Sherman Max?
Range test against standard edition would be very welcome.
Great, I'm really looking forward to the full review🎉
Could you list your safety gear and where to buy them in all your video
Looking forward to a more detailed review! Do these cells also increase the maximum speed?
Does not increase top speed.
Great video. I can’t wait to see the performance stats.
that speed lock seems like a really good idea since i see this as a new user wheel. light weigh, better battery and decent size wheel. its like "hey, learn how to ride this slowly first. then after putting in the training and learning, then ill let you go faster". very smart.
Jimmy Chang, i love youre contents and videos...
but i feel a little let down i would have expect maybe another 2/3 days for you to test and get the real world data since alot of us already know about the s18 hope to see what those p42 actually does better!!!
Hi! Do you know if they sell these battery packs separately so older S18 wheels can be upgraded?
They do, just ask.
yea.. that might be he FULL solution.. P42A's in the S18...
You didn't mention any of the differences from the regular cells in your review. I thought you were going to test this new battery.
Would like to know whats the max speed at 50%, 30%, 15% battrey reading and what range can we get at 20mph speed. Thank you
using my S18 for daily city commute and trails during summer... after 3.600 km ridden i can really tell the batterylife is getting lower.
Hi Jimmy, watching this I got homesick for my old S18 that I had previouslysold. Amazing that your son is in college already! The big question I have is what is the range you'll be able to get on this with a molicel versus the stock batteries. With the stock I was able to ride it to 45 miles of range with 0% remaining so very interested to see how far you could get with the Molicell.
I have the Molicel S18. In two real world range tests I got about 38 miles using 98% battery, and 31 miles on another trip using 93% battery. The good thing was I could still go up to 20 mph safely at under 10% battery left. I weigh 190ish with gear, temp in 70s, Medium Ride Setting.
@@jcfpwarriorpoet I'm the same weight and stats, I think what you're saying is that you'll get less range but you'll be able to go faster the entire time
@@mikeintampa250 Yes, and you can hit bumps, accelerate, etc without cutout worry. I went from 6mph to 31.2 mph as fast as I could to replicate Wongway’s near cutout where he dropped from 77% battery to 6% in a few seconds. When I tried that with the Molicels, battery stayed at 96% the whole time. I was also hitting speed bumps at 18-20mph at low battery without any power stats dipping. So, for me, having little less range but fully usable is awesome trade.
@@jcfpwarriorpoet that is very cool, but what I discovered over time for me at least is that I'm into range. But the s18 will always have a special place in my heart it is such a great wheel.
@@jcfpwarriorpoet I ride s18 if my avg speed is 15mph I could muster 45miles on floridas flat roads, If my avg speed goes up to 18mph I only get 35miles in range.
Great video! Did not know these types of PEVs were more than just a niche martket. That said, I'm interested in getting one but are they actually street-legal(?) Reason I ask, I would hate to spend $2k+ only to find out they are not street legal :'(
I persoannly would like to thank Ewheels for sending wrist gaurds with my V11. Otherwise, I would have underestimated their importance. I now know. Thanks Jason and Ewheels for caring enough to do that.
Now, when can I get this battery upgrade for my V11? HUH?
I am so so curious about this wheel. Can't wait for a range test
Waiting for ur next video molicell s18
Please tell me the new pack has a higher voltage!!! If it is the same as the old, it has less capacity...
I had the option to get the special edition but I didn't see any information regarding it so I went with the other one for more range.....
Sir let me tell you why I dislike you. I am a heavily invested Eskater and before watching this video I HATED unicycles. You are so good at what you do , I am now beginning to like them , hence you broke my spirit. Curses !. BTW you really cool on that thing Chang ( gosh I hate to admit that).
I am trying so hard not to become one of you guys. I really am now let me get away from this video. Feels like a black rabbit hole sucking me in.
I may talk crap, but Anyways, I gave you a thumbs up.
I have the inmotion v11 but this is tempting to get 🤔
Is this wheel now safer for a heavier 210lb rider who rides around 25mph. Or is the upgraded battery still not enough buffer for this weight of rider. Thanks !
Battery would not be enough buffer and your range will suffer and create a more dangerous situation for you.
I am 220 lbs and have been riding my S18 for 9 months. I average around 20mph, but on most rides I will hit 28mph or higher for at least a little bit. Never had a cut out. I charge it whenever it is around 50%. I did ride it all the way down to 2% once, but kept it real slow as the battery depleted. I don't ride super aggressive, but I have my fun! This is with the old battery cells.
E-wheels does NOT always send wrist guards with their unis. I didn’t get any when I received my s18 from them
Nice video. Any suggestion on how to lock lock the pedals up with not in use? Mine flops down when I'm pushing it around.
Thanks ! Do you know if it's possible ton convert and old version with the molicel ?
did not really learn if the molicel battery upgrade is worth it?
The Molicel P42A can handle 30 to 40 amps, but that translates into 90 to 120 amps with the 20S3P configuration. The S18 controller board and motor can't handle this, so the fuses remain at 20 amps, translating into 60 amps for the controller and motor (actually 66 amps, since blade fuses are spec'ed to run 100+ hours at 110% current rating). The controller board is going to limit this further still, but I don't know by how much. If it can handle 60 amps, then at 60 amps, based on testing, a 50E or M50T battery pack will sag about 14 volts, while a P42A pack will sag about 9 volts, so a P42A pack can output the same power with 5 volts less battery charge. The unknown here is what the peak power that the controller will allow.
I sold my s18 for a RSt cos it was pretty bad (or maybe not so good is a better descrip) for the type of mtb climbs I put it thru. A number of hills where my bud (weighs 70+lbs more) on his RSt smokes me, my s18 would literally give up 1/2 way up the climb. If this s18 SE can get close to the torque of the RSt, I wouldn't have sold it. Don't need range for em dirt fun stuff but torque, light weight & nimbleness are a must which the RSt have in spades. Comfort ie. suspension is a nice bonus as all
Within the first week of riding mine, it had a nasty cut out which threw me on my face (happened as I tried to accelerate hard after upgrading pads.) Hope you don't have that happen.
Do you have the molicel version?
@@bcork9381 yes I do.
They definitely make a difference with my high end flashlights.
That random guy was so cute and wholesome
ugh I can pre-ordered one, but it would shit at the end of freaking August, and since I have no wheel atm, I dont think I want to wait that long 😭
I want to see a range test. I think 1800wh would be a better option. This wheel is more for recreation than for daily use
How much for the battery only?
Jut got mine in from ehweels! Thanks for the video im just learning how to ride this thing and i realy appreciate the video! Can someone out there direct me in the right direction for the spiked pedal pads? THANKS!
He’s your son? I just thought it was two young guys reviewing EUC
You are too kind!
great video! Also, maybe consider adding chapters to future vids?
I feel like this video was incomplete as others have mentioned, hope to see a follow up video soon.
Just an unboxing and impressions video. Review in the works!
Does the news version with the hollow motor of steel based on the same cell and any information on how this new mix is delivering?
That thing is sick. Beginner friendly?
I think it's too nice and a little fragile to be a first EUC, but I know people that have done it.
@@freshlycharged thanks that us what I thought. Any thoughts on a beginner one?
does this limited edition use the same Controller board as the old one we have? if so, maybe battery upgrade can make the old S18 shine again, because I love to ride my S18 even though my inmotion V12 HT is here since last week.
Just wondering about the conclusion. How much better and in what way? Can you get just the batteries to upgrade your existing S-18 if worth while?
can you do a range test for the new battery
have you done any videos on being safe with charging and the batteries in general?
Hi, did you make a range test from 100% to 30% when the FW will slow down the wheel ?
Molicel packs are awesome. These packs will make the S18 revitalized and finally a decent wheel.
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*I'd rather a lower capacity battery than a bigger capacity battery with less "usable" range.*
are all the s18´s on sale new that are rated 1110W, molicel versions ?
Price tag aside, are there any downsides to using this is a beginner's wheel? I seem to fall in the category of "heavier rider" at 220lbs so I've been contemplating something like this or the V11 to learn on.
So what exactly is the difference? I only saw 14 added miles or is that coming out in your next video? I have the S-18 I love the wheel but would like more power and twice the distance.
The very short explanation why high voltage is better. Power of leakage = I^2 × R. So less the current , less the leakage Power in a square dependence. But to reduce the current , you should increase the voltage. That's why high voltage is better.
How is tht pump you used compared to the one tht comes with the master ?
I ride a standard s18 and have been concerned with the safety margin of the 3p pack, I am 70kg lightweight and as an older person do not push the wheel hard, but am getting close to top speed often and would like to be able to accelerate a bit more harder at times, According to EUC World my typical max current usually doesn't exceed 15amp, could this be correct ?? just cruising along at 30+ kph current is about 6amps again according to EUC world which is I assume just reading the kingsong firmware output. if the readings can be trusted I seem to have plenty of overhead , any opinion on this??
But what is the answer to the first question? Is the Molicel Battery Upgrade Worth It?
I think Mario answered it.
@@freshlycharged No good quantitative answer.
Higher comfort due to lower voltage sags, but less range, including earlier 33% battery speed throttle.
Wow!!! I'm gonna change my battery choice for the Master I ordered.
I think that the Master, unlike the S18, has so much torque available that you have to ride seriously hard to feel the difference
@@DuffMan-lh9lc its not just about the torque, when you cruise at high speed you are also asking a lot from the battery and as it drains the 50s cant deliver and you risk a nasty cutout.
@@DuffMan-lh9lc Do you think it will increase or decrease the range?
@@BigChiefWiggles didn't think about it because I don't like going high speed on gravel roads, it can be a valid point, but in that case you can buy a 40T pack and have comparable performance while saving lot of bucks.
Anyway, my 50E Master will hopefully arrive in June, we'll see!
@@PatVachon based on previous experience in RC things, it will decrease it. Voltage sag is a thing, but not as relevant until you pull that throttle really really hard; but if you do it, range will never be enough anyway.
We learnt it the hard way doing range competitions on RC FPV planes, high cap li-ion cells were a must.
Dude... You didn't even talk about it how it compares to a regular S18 and just covered what we already know about the S18. Kind of frustrating. I'm hoping you will cover this later.
Just an unboxing and impressions video. Review in the works!
@@freshlycharged We never got that review....
Molicel for the S22 pro?
Max load 91kg? Not 120kg?
Fuuuuck meee ! Jimmy and Mario together is like the best PEV multivers crossover !! :-D You both guys are my Onewheel bible et I've watched aaaaall your videos before I get my OW XR last August. Everything I've puted on it, every gears I bought along belongs to your advises. Thanks for everything, I love you guys. Take care (and don't fall of course ;-P )
when will you be releasing the master crash video?
Editing
I'm lookin to get a ECU, the Sherman Max is the one I'm thinking about. What is a good cheap-ish ECU to get to learn on? Or is the Sherman Max a good One Time Buy?
Buy it...at first you will hate it ..but after a while you will love it.
@@omidel. the first 30 minutes I loved it as I was making tons of progress. Then for a few hours I was aggravated because my wheel was large and heavy, making it hard to learn. At this point I wished that I got a smaller wheel. Then, the next day, after just a little more practice, it was second nature to ride and it is my favorite form of transportation. I am so glad I bought the fast heavy wheel and not a small "learner" as I would have very quickly reached the limits of a cheaper wheel
The Kingsong 16x is the ultimate EUC when starting out.. or anytime really. It's a tourque monster, super manageable and the most fun wheel I have. Best of luck : )
How much range can you get out of it?
so this or the s11?
uh you have your hand on the wheel while weighing. There is no way that's accurate.
You need to stand on the scale, weigh yourself, then weigh you holding the wheel and take the difference
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Balla!
Those things weigh more than my bike...