Why this is the best entry level cruiser bike
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On my second season of riding. I’ve put just over 5k miles on my 650 vstar. As a beginner it’s been amazing. Easy maintenance, reliable and good size to learn.
I'm 5'2 and weigh 40kilos, do you think I could have a v-star as a first bike? I've heard that they're pretty low, but heavy. I'm suprisingly strong for my size, but it's stupid to buy a v-star if it's far too difficult to handle.
@@raptorx8888shouldn't be but if you too scared of it, buy a Vulcan 500😊
@raptorx8888 vstars are not heavy at all atleast compared to the rest of the cruiser market they are about 600lbs compared to a harley that's going to be 800+ the low seat means that the center of gravity is going to be low to you are not going to feel the weight compared to a bike with a higher center of gravity
3 years too late but will still say 1 air cooled 2 carb 3 cable clutch 4 shaft 5 low seat 6 not slow by anymeans 7 good on fuel 8 not too heavy 9 looks good 10 loads you can do to the bike 11 great sound 12 easy and cheap to maintain 13 cheap to buy but getting to be a collectors bike so prices will be going up even more reason to get one 14 very very comfy to ride distance 15 very very reliable 16 parts dont cost a fortune 17 Good first bigger bike but also good as a bike to keep even for the old school /bunch 18 does not seem to date or look old 19 rides good 2 up 20 good as a tourer and not just a cruiser Well there you have it 20 reasons to get one The only down side for me was getting to grips with my feet being forward and not below But once I got to grips with that off I went and I have kept it so at the young age of 70 I guess it will now stay with me because it is a forgiving bike in many many ways and its now done over 50K miles with not a single issue what more do you want and dont say Harley because they are simply not as good end of !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The VStar 650 isn't just for entry-level. I've been riding street bikes regularly since 1992, and I'm pretty happy with the 650 I bought 3 years ago. It's not a very exciting bike, but it never spends any time at the local mechanics shop either - I wish I could say the same for some of the other bikes I've owned over the years!
Most riders seem to complain that they don't have enough power (40HP), they find the clutch abrupt, or it feels like it could use a 6th gear. Those things have never bothered me, but if there's one thing I could whine about it would be the brakes. They're best described as 'adequate'. I find they feel rather wooden, but they work... okay.
My first bike, 2008 v star 650 classic, loved it.
Mine is a '98 and I couldn't have chosen a better starter.
This was extremely helpful to making my mind up on my first road bike
Low maintenance. Dependable cruiser. Yamaha makes great bikes.
My brother and I were dirt bike fanatics. He owned a YZ, & I owned an IT. Both were built great. But my advantage was, since he owned a YZ, which is strictly for racing, needed more maintenance, whereas mine was an enduro bike. Every Friday evening during the summer months, the neighborhood guys got together with us. Dirt bikes tearing up the trails, blasting Iron Maiden, & a quarter keg of Bud along with burgers and dogs on the grill. Great memories.
Their Cruisers are rather slow though. Only downfall.
@@killaco23 does not cost a lot to change that
But does it cost less than a honda shadow?
Amen to that! Yamaha's a great brand!
I criscrossed every part of Honduras and the Bay Islands on a bike just like that. Beautiful ride, never had any issues in 3 yrs that I owned it. I love em.
I got a Suzuki Boulevard S40. A smaller cruiser, but I love the way the single cylinder 650 sounds.
I've had a 2008, fully dressed, chrome to the max, Canadian Special since it came out. It was my first bike. Took my test on it it and passed with flying colours. This is a great bike. I can go up steep hills in top gear with my wife , bags and rear luggage rack full. The only down side is it gets buzzy at 60 mph and above, needs a 6th gear. This is the best first bike to buy.
I know this is 3 years old but I just got an 2006 and I was wondering if the buzzy over 60 was normal. Thanks for the info.
My uncle went coast to coast on one of those. After he came back home he got an 1100 but still that little 650 did the job!
Like california to the State of Maine coast to coast??
I just got a 98 vstar classic 650 w/ 9800 miles last week as my first bike. It feels a little big at first but after a few hours it's pretty comfortable. At first I didn't like that the clutch only needs to be pulled in about a half inch before it disengages; however now I've learned to love it. I can keep one finger on the clutch and barely pull it to switch gears. It also has a very forgiving gear box that lets you do clutchless shifts. The seat is super comfortable (I'm 5'11" 165lbs).
+DoomFinger511 most clutches are like that
I purchased 2004 vstar 650 classic 2 mths ago and been trying to figure out about the clutch friction zone. Looks like most people who have this bike have been saying that about clutch. I’m in mth two and still learning the bike.
Love my 2008 vstar 1100 classic...amazing bike, love both my bikes tho, 2 totally different feelins. Have an 07 HD 1200XLN also amazing bike as well
i just got a 2007 VStar 1100 and i gotta say, it's a pretty cool little bike. light, handles well... little lower than i expected, and i gotta change a bunch of things, but i'm happy with it. it's not what my Indian was, but i didn't expect it to be. i'm looking forward to wrenching on it to make it mine and gettin to know it. kinda funny that my first bike was a gray '82 Virago 750 in the winter of '02-'03 and here i am again, 20 years later on another gray Yamaha v-twin. history might not repeat itself, but it rhymes.
Nice bike. But it was a bit small for me. So my starter bike ended up being Suzuki Boulevard M50. Not too much bigger but felt adequate as a first bike.
Luv my '05 V Star 1100 Silverado... Such a good dependable and comfortable Bike with enough Power to get on up or out of the way... ;)
My first cruiser was a 2002 v star custom 650 , great little bike
I own a 2004 Yamaha vstar 1100 classic and a 05 Sportster with a hammer kit and I love both bikes for different reasons . One thing I honestly like the floor boards I'm short and it just seems really comfortable
I'm 5'2 and weigh 40kilos, do you think I could have a v-star as a first bike?
I've heard that they're pretty low, but heavy. I'm suprisingly strong for my size, but it's stupid to buy a v-star if it's far too difficult to handle.
I owned a 650 custom a few years ago and they are great for around town and occasional freeway rides. Rode mine from Wi to WV and back........ that's when I found out that I needed more power for extended freeway runs. A couple of hours here and there on the freeway and you will like this bike.
I like that you start off with a Bible verse. I like that we see you pray with riders when they buy a bike. Very classy!
The very moment I first found this channel and heard him quote scripture, I subscribed! And shared!
I was originally going to use a CRF250L as a learner bike but I found a second hand 2006 V star 650 and got it instead and it’s perfect.
He sounds so cold. You can here him shivering in his voice.
Never owned street bike had lot of dirt bikes but looking for a DD commuting to work. I saw a 2009 Yamaha V star 650 in CL for $2900 with 3000 miles on it. Looks very clean no scratches seems like a good deal save a ton of gas plus ride in the carpool lanes.
Great bikes! I have a 2006 V Star 650 Classic that has just a little over 6500 miles on it. I'm 66 and this bike fits me just fine as being short in height. I had 2011 Heritage that I sold and bought a 93 Goldwing Trike.....love that machine as well. But the 650 is my go to, two wheeled motorcycle for fun. I'm itching to ride it now......thanks
Richard Parker wat doe you whant whit the bike
Hey! I'm 5'2 and weigh 40kilos, do you think I could have a v-star as a first bike?
I've heard that they're pretty low, but heavy. I'm suprisingly strong for my size, but it's stupid to buy a v-star if it's far too difficult to handle.
My 05 Yamaha V-STAR 1100 was a spot on a perfect cruiser and long distance rider . The shaft drive is the best , no chain . Yes it was a bagger .
Love my Silverado Bagger too... \,,/
My first street bike was a 2001 V Star Classic Custom 650.
I was in love with it when I first bought it. I paid $2,000USD for it.
Everywhere I took it even on group rides with nearly all Harleys, everyone loved it.
I loved it too.
They are cheap, reliable, powerful and easy to ride.
For my second bike I think I want a little more power though but, I would buy the V Star I had before all over again and again.
Excellent video sir. I love your honesty and humor. Thank you.
Same last name
A nice black and chrome 650 classic was my first bike ever, I loved it, it was nice. 6 months later I bought a 2007 1100 custom in really nice shape, dark gray and chrome, it was beautiful and I rode both from time to time and never had issues with either one of them.... 😎
How much difference is in the 650 to 1100? I was wanting a 650 for my first bike but am only finding 1100s. should I wait or just get the 1100?
@@damienfinley894 huge difference man, you can feel the power with the 1100 but the Honda VTX 1300cc is whole other level bro
Hey! I'm 5'2 and weigh 40kilos, do you think I could have a 650 v-star as a first bike?
I've heard that they're pretty low, but heavy. I'm suprisingly strong for my size, but it's stupid to buy a v-star if it's far too difficult to handle.
My first bike was a 2005 Kawasaki Vulcan 800 classic, recently I’ve had my heart set on a Harley but the more and more I these other bikes and good reviews especially since they’re low maintenance as well... I’m thinking of getting a vstar 1100
Absolutely love my 08 vstar 1100, bought the bike bobbed out and hated ever moment of riding it, rebuilt to OEM spec's. Now she's a real head Turner and real comfortable to ride, I call it my 2 wheel lazyboy..
Love my 2013 XVS650 custom. Just wish it had another gear for highway use.
Metric cruisers are awesome. I have a 2013 Kawasaki Vulcan 900 classic lt and it's such a great bike. The only thing I'd say about them is change the exhaust. They never have loud pipes lol Mine has debaffled Cobra Dragsters on it right now and she is so loud, so so loud lmao love it
Very pleasant to ride. Gives you loads of confidence. Sometimes I make myself go a bit faster but when there's no on behind me on single carriageways I'm happy to plod along at 55 or less. Don't often need to come out of 4 and 5. It's happy in the 30s in fourth too. It encourages relaxed riding but I've hustled it through some bends and it's not scared me. My other bikes are an FJ1200, Deauville 700 and an AN400. The other half has a 125 Virago which is actually why I bought my XVS 650. I love riding the FJ and this one and they are "chalk and cheese" I don't think I have a preference. Obviously cleaning the XVS takes much more time but she's a beauty when done.
Hey! I'm 5'2 and weigh 40kilos, do you think I could have a v-star as a first bike?
I've heard that they're pretty low, but heavy. I'm suprisingly strong for my size, but it's stupid to buy a v-star if it's far too difficult to handle.
Just picked up a 2007 with only 3,600 miles at a good price. Runs great after its warmed up. Seller told me the carbs were gone through last year. Are these bikes usually cold blooded? Rides/runs great at 55-65 on the 2-lanes, gets buzzy at interstate speeds but pulls well. Hard to maneuver slow intown speeds, needs a lower 1st gear. Doesn't like slow cornering. Being 6' tall and long legged I don't like the low seat height. Of course non of the complaints matter when I'm on that twisty/hilly country black-top road because this is where the bike shines as a definite 9 on my scale. When taking a tight turn at a moderate/sane speed avoiding an obstacle only needs the rider to point the tire in the desired direction with no fear of being thrown in the ditch, very well mannered. Motor pulls inclines good with proper gear selection, doesn't lug well in high gear. That's when I forget it's only a 650. It's good at, "Just a cruising!"
exactly what I need for those back road trips to work and back !
i have a 2003 and it was a perfect first bike. I bought a 2006 stratoliner and it was like hopping on the same but wider and faster
First impression cool . Like it.
I had one when I got back into riding. Great bike to start out on. Loved that bike. Got taken out by two little spotted deer. So I bought a 1600 midnight star. Now I run them over.
Lol...
That is funny shit 😂
I got a roadstar 1600 and when deer hear me comin they haul ass cause it sounds like godzilla lol
Hoping to own one of these on friday. First on road bike since I got my M1. Cant wait
I can't say enough about my 2006 XVS-650...Was stored last year and only 400 miles on it in the last 8 years, and bought it with just 2828 miles 2 months ago...It's the custom with the bags & windshield...But as one reply says, can't ride it like a sports bike and you're shifting out way to high on the RPM's, gotta remember you're on a V-Twin and use that low end torque and cruise!..
I have been an instructor. I would tell the students to buy for the riding they would do and teach them on their bike. The smallest bike a student learned on was a 650. The largest..1200. If one learns on a smaller bike it doesn't set them up for a larger more powerful and cumbersome one.
Full disclosure..I taught one on one so it easier to instruct them on the technique needed for the bike they chose. All passed their tests without fail at an independent test facility.
Best to ride something that fits your strength.
I hate floor boards also. I cut my motorcycle teeth on foot pegs and I find shifting and braking a little awkward but that's just me. I have a 2014 V-Star 650 and love it. I have been riding for 48 over years and have owned Harleys, Honda's, Jawa's, BMW's and the list goes on. Now I am an old man and have finally found a motorcycle that I will spending the rest of my life riding it.
The only thing I dont like about this machine is that it has carburetors which when I start it I have to modulate the choke a little until the engine will run on its own, but still a very superb motorcycle!
If that's your biggest problem then you're doing alright, sir! I appreciate the insight, have a great day!
I've just changed from 8 yrs on sports bike -traded my honda 1100 blackbird for one of these xvs650 classic ..and i absolutely love it ! ... the bird was hard on my neck and wrists with too much twitchy power and being 65 yrs old -I worried that it was time to give up biking ... but -seeing 80yr old guys on cruisers made me think - low seat -smaller engine -wide bars - foot forward boards, easier to park and push around, relaxed v-twin power plant, good clutch, windscreen,SHAFT drive (hooray) =perfect for the older rider. best of all, i did a direct swop with another rider - now my only problem is the inclement weather here in ireland - want to be out on the bike all the time esp. as I'm just retired :-D
I let mine set for days never had to use the chock
Man I like floor boards especially when it rains pegs are slippery ....
I had one (DragStar XVS 650 Classic) for approximately 4 years and rode it semi-regularly for 3 (as my primary bike was the mine-beloved Intruder C800). I rode it mostly in the city (where it did its job perfectly as a good-lookin' home-to-work-and-back commuter), but even ooutside the city it held up with some of the bigger machines my friends saddled - I'm talking about 80mph speeds on highways. Considering my stature (5"7' & 140lbs) it seemed a perfect fit at first, but to my surprise, it felt quite small, and the floorboards seemed way too high for comfort required for long(-er) rides. Otherwise, it was a fine machine to ride.
Technically speaking, the only issue (re-occuring) was that the carburetor got stuck during every single season-off, requiring me to dismantle the bike and clean it every single spring. Also, I had to replace the AC pump after 2nd season of riding, but that could happen to any bike. And yeah, the battery was getting dead after a month of no riding, but I could pinpoint the root cause down to previous owner's re-wiring job (a shitty one), who also added some extra led lights to the bottom and sides, just for "effect" (it looked like a silly motorized circus). After removing these, the battery status was fine all the time.
Fine bike, but no match for the C800 🙂
Thanks you for the video. 9:23 "It's hard for me to find a genuinely bad motorcycle," what about the American-made Riley with the automatic transmission? What's your opinion of that machine?
It would be helpful if you compared it to other bikes in the same niche like the Honda Shadow ?
Gen 1 VMax here. Love my bike!!
I LOVE my 07 v star 650. Plenty of power for me and the way I ride. Lots of backroads and farm to market roads.
I just bought a 2008 V-Star 1100 Classic with 26k on it. Clean, clean, clean, and a joy to ride! But...I gotta get new handlebars: outter bars closer together and reduced reach (short arms here). Otherwise, I'm very, very happy.
its a great bike , was my 2nd 1 i owned. i put some hwy bars on it to stretch out and new exhaust. never a drama with it
Looking to get into riding for the first time once COVID is all over. Thinking about getting a Yamaha V Star.
Ain’t ending. Never going to. NWO for us. 😂
At 66 I bought the 650 custom...I love it...great bike for a shorter guy...im 5'7 with both feet flat on the ground at stoplights...2009 model for 1900.00 only 7,000 miles....enough speed for me...I wanna live to 67 😁
They run out of steam at about 85 in a headwind with a windshield, but a really nice bike to start with or get back into riding. Put about 35k on one then upgraded to a Honda Interstate 1300.
Right on boet.
Love my v-star. Handles well in all weather conditions. Keeps up easily with bigger bikes at highway speeds.
Yeah I like your videos they're generally pretty f****** cool and sometimes you even have some really interesting stuff like when you do the bike competitions with your friends and y'all are all riding different bikes trying to figure out which ones are crap and which ones might be good
Pretty reliable little bike. Though I hated mine. Seemed way too underpowered for me. I now have a Vulcan 900 and I'm extremely happy with it.
@@FURDOG1961 I installed an aftermarket front pulley. So I'm not sure about the vibration on a stock bike. The suspension is decent though.
I just got a 2007 Dragstar 650 Silverado classic in champagne silver on 7000 miles and love it .. gona get some white walls for it 👌🏼
My current Ride is a gently used 2005 V-Star 1100 I've only had it a few months now. It's wonderful to ride because it's so comfortable. It came with many after market parts. I'm just waiting on winter to be over so I can get into the wind . I try not to ride unless it's at least 64 degrees outside
If you don’t have windshields get them for your legs too. Big help in kool weather. My worse ride it got down to 35 I had ice form on my knee caps and it took like 8 times longer to get back home 😂 then I shivered for 2 days
Also all I had on was a Sleeveless shirt
Hi Sean. I was thinking about one of these before I got my second hand 883 XLH Harley Sportster in 2014 on a budget as a beginners bike (now sold). Saw you were thinking of maybe going to Scotland from your excellent youtube channel a few hours ago. If your ever over Norwich way in the south east of the UK then pop by and you can have a spin on my 2005 'RAT' 'Catch-22' Dyna Street Bob that's customised with 16' ape hanger etc which balances the weight of the bike much better than the stock bars. Also it has the most comfortable seat I have ever sat on. It's more like 'Feards and Bikes ;) Type in MegaJay70 and its on there. I am loosing the gut btw with a new exercise program and am trying not to hit the horn when I get onto the bike lol ;) Peace out :)
Just got my first bike, 2013 Yamaha vstar 950, love it ... Great bike to learn from 👍
God bless mate, great video!
These style of bikes were so cool
I almost bought a used V-Star one exactly [same color] like the one in this video, a few years back. I ended up buying a new [only three miles, odometer] 2019 all black Honda Phantom, which is also shaft drive.
My very first cruiser, same year, but mine is black. Great bike, but these stock pipes sucks, so I've changed mine. Also, if you make a sharp turn with these floor boards, you're going to grind them in the asphalt lol, the bike is very low.
Just got my v star 1100 yesterday
Great fun bike 🏍
If anyone can help me find out what seat is this bike from the video
Been searching for a solo seat not bobber though?
Deffintly gonna give you guys my business. Just gotta pay of my truck then I'm coming to see ya!
The Magic of the Vstar is it keeps buds off you. Even without a face shield.
I was strictly dirt oriented until I rode the v star 650 classic now I'm buying one 🤷
I am in the Northern Territory of Australia. I only just began riding this year. Currently I am just riding a Yamaha virago 250. I am about to join the South Australia/Northern Territory branch of the Christian Motorcycle Association (CMA). I am looking at the XVS Yamaha 650. I think it will be good for suburban commutes but if I want to do open road it will also be capable. I live in the middle of the desert. 1500 kilometres from me is Adelaide. I no longer own a car. But if I had to get to Adelaide for an emergency and I couldn't get a Qantas flight, I need a working motorcycle for the open road. Not to mention not colliding with kangaroos, emus, cattle, horses, Camels, sheep, owls, eagles and hawks. Yep, the middle of nowhere, no cars but wild animals that jump out in front of you and send you to heaven.
Perfect city bike can handle highways weekend trips when you want to but still perfect size for the city
Pretty looking bike.
I ride a 2007 vstar classic ..I'm 5 ft 1 inches tall. Love love my bike..My son is 6.3 and rode it and he commented that he felt cramped on it.
Thats odd.
Im 6'2" and my vstar 1300 feels like i have room to spare, most tall guys agree vstars are great for us taller guys.
Perhaps it was due to adjustments made to fit yourself.
Haha yeah Sean said he was sick of test riding the vstar 650s
Are there any distinct differences from a 2010 950 vstar and a 2015 950 vstar? They look identical.
The V Star's are very reliable and load's of fun to ride...
I own a '08 Silverado ✨✨✨
Customizing it at the moment...
Thanks for sharing your opinion...
Keep The Shiny Side Up Brother 👆
I have owned 2 V Star 650 and yep I moved over to Harley. But I loved the V Star
Is the 1100 v Star good for a beginner. I've ridden before but never owned a bike. I'm 6'2 and have sat on the 1100 and it feels light.
What is your opinion on a Honda shadow 750 ace as a beginner bike?
I love my 2008 vstar classic 1100.the best bike I ever owned
1100 was a best bike until i the i ride yamaha raider. i owned 1100 for almost 2 year than jumped to raider and i was like wooow
@@muammerulutas2478 I've never had another type of yamaha.ive had honda magna, Honda cb550 kawasaki 750 and the bike before the v star was a Harley sportster 1200.the v star has been myvfav. So far.
Nice trip!
I got a Honda VTX 1800 as my first bike. Turns out it was probably a bad idea considering I crashed 4 days after purchase. Still gonna ride once I’m healed though :)
I got 1100 V -star as first bike , so glad I did .It has enough power and speed for me .First 3 months took it easy with respect :))learning , feeling it out .Now wide open most of a time :))).Anything under 1000 c.c. for man over 200 lbs , after 6 months will be not enough.
Very first bike you ever owned? An 1800? That's the dumbest thing you could ever do.
I ride a vtx 1800 and been riding my whole life and will not let anyone ride it unless theyve owned at least a 1500 for years it's not made for inexperienced riders at all
@@motomark9736 I am thinking about Road Star , how do you like it?
@@redbear1935 it was a great bike loved it
The Kawasaki Vulcan S 650 as far as I'm concerned is the best entry level cruiser. It's so versatile it suits any rider, just a great all round bike. I also respect your opinion!!
Michael Fawkes I can hardly wait to buy one. It's my favorite bike. Comfortable, gorgeous design and paint job, customizable to the riders desires, great price, and all you would ever need.
A better seat..
Need a better seat 💺
@@VanAnon51 .
Did you put new ape bars on this? just wondering if stock just got a 98 vstar
Debating between this, Vulcan or Honda Rebel 500. Which would you recommend since you've ridden all 3 models?
How's the weight of the Yamaha V star
The star line of bikes were best thing Yamaha ever produced.
Caleb is comical. Good man!
That looks almost exactly like my old 02 Honda Shadow ACE
Rod U I just inherited an 05 ace and I thought that was what he was riding at first glance
I’m about to buy a 2000 v Star 650 today
Last August 2019 purchased a 2010 650 vstar with 3904 +- miles for $3800. Last bike HD $21,000. Price difference allows a
75 y/o to sleep in a bed. Ps the vstar is now for sale.
Nice bike I started off with a Yamaha dragster 125cc sexy bike now have a Honda shadow vt750cc still sexy
I like my Shadow ace. Mabe for Christmas me and my father might have to take a stop down for another honda.
these dependable as shadows?
Noob question, but I have only ridden bikes like my Honda xl75 and my cousin's klr, and am interested in getting a cruiser, I'm looking at one of these right now and was wondering what it's like riding with floor boards and how it feels braking and shifting. Thanks.
You would be fine it’s not much to get used too. Just like legs but bigger lol
Remember to give the CC's.
He's riding the little one (650) in the video.
@@Bonesnoff04 the little v-star is the 250.
@@Membersacc I'd argue that the 250 is the tiny one 😂
@@Bonesnoff04 then you realise.....theres a V-Star 125
@@driftmaniac3487
Micro
best thing about the v star 650 classic is that it is shaft driven no belt or chain ... it had plenty of power and get up and go!!! i had that lil bike over 110 mph by accident i was just crusing and it rides so smooth .... i will purchase another one in the near future i loved that bike ...
Vstar 650 does not do 110mph lol, let alone 100.
Power to weight ratio doesn’t seem to be that great but if that’s the 650 you didn’t say. However if the 1100 is the same weight minus the engine then I will say everything you are saying good about getting that bike makes sense only if you have the 1100 version of it
Or you live in the UK and haven't got your big boy licence yet.
Used to own a 2004 Yamaha VStar 650 Classic had rear end issues with the shaft drive unit wore out the splines on coupler & pinion. Had to replace rear end gear case unit twice the open drive shaft was a poor design. Now own a 2008 Honda VTX 1300 Retro no issues whatsoever with the fully enclosed big beefy shaft drive rear end gear case unit much better design built to last.
This bike sounds like a symphony. I am a musician and a lot of my gear is Yamaha because everything they make is great.
I am quite sure its a good bike, Yamaha makes great bikes, looks very similar to a Suzuki C-50. Which is what I have, for some reason I think I need more power more comfort more period, but in the end my Suzuki C-50 does it all just like the V-star
Shame these are sold in UK and Europe looks amazing
get the 1100 they weight the same but the 1100 has better brakes and power