Big Questions with The Dead Milkmen: A.I. - Friend or Foe?
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- Опубліковано 21 лип 2023
- Warning: This video contains A.I.-generated content! The Dead Milkmen revisit the topic of Artificial Intelligence first brought up by Dean almost 3 years ago, this time focusing on A.I.'s use in music making. Find out how the guys feel about A.I.'s use in the music industry, and society in general, in this intelligent if not totally artificial episode.
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“A.I. has simultaneously raised and lowered the bar.” - me, while trying to draw a human hand.
I had a dream last night, I was hanging out with Joe Jack. I showed him my 4-track, he didn't seem impressed.
Joe will dance to anything by Depeche Mode.
My wife listened to this episode with me. It was her first one. She seemed to enjoy it. I'll count that as another win, small as it may be, for The Dead Milkmen. Personally, I quickly came to appreciate and love you guys as people - not only as my favorite band - through this show.
The slightly detuned intro music messed with my head in the best way.
Yes. I noticed this too haha
Good episode. I like Joe's hair.
Thanks guys! What I like about it (for images) is feeding it random prompts like “nuns in a mosh pit” just to see what it comes with.
I could listen to Rodney talk all day about music, culture, politics, etc,.. sharp and fun fella...
That minimalism documentary is fantastic, great recommendation. Thanks!
Rodney, you are a musician. You are a really great musician. All of DM are.
Very interesting episode. I think A.I. will have a more profound effect on employment as there are companies currently using it to speak to customers. Those A.I. Dead Milkmen lyrics were dreadful. Bet it couldn't come up with the great butt spoon of the Hunan province.
I'm a technical writer. Whenever I'm asked if A.I. is a threat to my job, I always point out that my hovercraft is full of eels.
I like the new Depeche Mode album. I wanted to see them live but those tix were $$
This was an interesting episode.
I am currently training my AI engine to create a Bill Joel tribute album sung by The Dead Milkmen.
I kinda want to hear it the other way around. Imagine a world where the Milkmen get their pockets lined by Billy Joel-sized royalties
Aaaargh!
We dove headfirst into the world of the internet and "social media" with little thought for the negative consequences, and now we've begun the reckless embrace of "AI" with similar indifference to the damage it could cause. Already, people are ascribing human qualities to this technology, crediting it with the ability to "think," to create original works and formulate ideas. We are minimizing our own worth by claiming that "AI" can do what we do.
Rodney , i thought the trees were dripping white rain????
Now i know its bird shit!!
🌳🌴🌲
🐓🐔🐤
💩💩💩
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Thanks for clearing that up for me.
We didn't start the fire is more of a Rodney song...just saying...if anyone is puting that together.
like Rodney singing punk rock girl. that could only be done in A.I.
I dunno; I think I could stay awake throughout the whole song.
I will pay good money to hear Joe sing the Billy Joel catalog.
Artificial intelligence is sampling humanity. A.I. samples our knowledge base. It scours the internet and uses many artist’s images to create new ones. It even copies the styles. It doesn’t have to pay royalties to the artist, so why should I have to? With deep fakes it uses a person’s likeness and can even render their face onto your body with app filters. A.I. can sample your voice and make you say anything. A.I. samples countless words from our books and writings.
Sampling music is a musical collage. When you made a collage in grade school from old magazines, did the magazines or advertisement companies come sue you for using their content? There are many other ways we sample and borrow from the past. Cooking is a good example. Do you have to pay some chef royalties for using his recipe from a recipe book?
Sampling music revives old music or obscure music. It gives those artist a new life or new listeners. This is where they should make their money, in new album sales. I have bought many artist’s albums that I have never heard of, once I discovered their music was sampled. Making money from frivolous lawsuits is not the way to make money. The sampler gives the musician free advertising, respect, and new listeners.
I respect the musician’s talents. I respect the countless hours spent learning how to play the instruments. I respect the composers skill to arrange a song. They must respect the art of making a musical collage by sampling. It is a creative endeavor to create new sounds. Sampling is a short cut, as it allows the artist to use instruments they do not own or have the knowledge of how to play. One should also take into account that almost all chord progressions have already been used or thought up. Should music just die, because somebody already has the copyright on that chord progression? Music must be recycled, simply because all the combinations have been discovered already. Sampling pushes music to the boundaries with innovation and creativity. By using existing sounds, we create new ones.
The world is sound and vibration. This is the core of our reality. Life is music and music is life. Do we really want to live in a world where Big Tech polices sounds and vibrations? How annoying is it to hear some vlogger say he can’t film here because music is playing in the background. Big Tech has made us afraid to include music in our lives. DMCA complaints are a dark cloud hovering over humanity. Sound and vibration is God, the creator, or whatever you want to call it. Money, profits, lawsuit settlements, and royalties is not God.
If A.I. can sample humanities contributions with impunity, then humans should have the same right. Is it not humans who came up with the idea to sample music? I have the write to copy, and copying is my right. All of human learning is copying the knowledge of the past. You sampled your parents when you took up learning their native language. You sampled culture, when you adopted the things that make your culture what it is.
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Check out some of my albums, as I address A.I. in topic.
The robots are taking over!!!
The robots are taking uppers?
I'm not so sure that people will do more research on music to determine if it's real or AI. I say that because no one bothers to find the real songwriters of songs. People still think that any parody song is made by "Weird Al" Yankovic. Not only that, people keep spelling his name with an H on the end.
Rodney supports AI making songs, but he’d dance to anything…..
so do you guys think that when Jason Aldean prompted AI to write his big hit that it basically just ripped off the lyrics to “Tiny Town” sans sarcasm?
Our lawyers are currently looking into that possibility
how do you guys feel about Jason Aldean stealing Tiny Town from ya?
completely different song
Dean CLean yoiur left eye
I feel like there are places to have AI and not have it. I am very sorry this is going long.
Employment is a huge scare. The Writers Guild of America are striking in part because AI is being proposed to cut staff, cut pay for the remaining staff, and ultimately continue underpaying the staff that is still even employed. The Screen Actors Guild is striking to protect their working / up-and-coming talent from their likenesses being absorbed by AI. There is an attempt to use AI scans of working/background/small actors without royalties, without residuals, and without the actor's consent toward how that likeness is used. Disney / Marvel famously used AI generated art instead of paying artists for the introduction to Secret Invasion.
IO9 and other opinion sites or news sites are experimenting with having AI quickly generate articles. Some of the writers involved are unionized. The business owners just don't care. A lot of journalists seem to not be unionized at all.
An intentional deepfake is scary enough. A well-intentioned hallucination from a trusted source should be just as scary.
I am now hearing that professional authors are being given contracts which would allow the publisher to train AI on the writer's work. The publishers would naturally own the derivative work. Graphic artists on Fiverr who were getting by on supplemental "gig economy" work work are struggling even harder. They are not unionized, either.
Nor is it just the arts: I starting working in web development when the business papers were still calling the Internet a "fad." We're facing almost the same thing as the WGA: Fewer workers doing more AI-augmented work for less pay (and often worse hours). The twist ending is that the search engines are trying to do the same thing to our former employers that those employers did to us. Google would rather show us AI generated answers than have us leave their sites. We can already see the Wikipedia snippets doing the same thing to us.
"You don't see AI cleaning a toilet."
It's true. A lot of people took out ridiculous student loans to get educations. Then, they found jobs. Their work was used without their knowledge or consent to train AI language models. The student loan debt of human beings effectively went toward training their own AI replacements.
I'm not going to completely hate on AI. I think it does its best work when it's also at its worst. Wild, over-the-top AI hallucinations have inspired me in some writing projects. People used chatbots for companionship during the worst of the shelter-in-place times. Even I've used Izotope's "Ozone," for my home recording / hobbyist music.
This country is about to have the cleanest toilets in the world.
Just think guys you are only moments away from a Grateful Dead style version of PunkrockGirl say by Jerry Garcia and titled Punkrock Twirl.
Why do you hate the Grateful Dead so much? Have they hurt you in some way? Or is it just “punk cred” ???
They shot my pappy in the back
A .I. is creepy.
Frank Zappa said robots will make better music than us haha 😂