The Best S-Log3 LUT Pack - EASY A7SIII, A7IV, FX3, FX30 Color Grading Workflow
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- Опубліковано 7 лип 2024
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In this video I talk about the best S-Log3 LUTs for the Sony A7S III, A7 IV, ZV-E1, FX6, FX3, FX30, and A1! I cover how to color grade Sony S-Log3 footage, why using LUTs is one of the fastest ways to do it, and go through all of the creative and basic looks of the LUT pack.
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00:00 - Intro
01:16 - S-Log3 LUT Pack
01:40 - LUT Categories
02:23 - The Problem with Sony's LUTs
02:39 - The Problem with Alexa-like LUTs
02:59 - The Problem with Creative LUTs
03:15 - Common Misconceptions of LUTs
03:57 - My Approach
05:06 - The Base Conversion LUTs
05:36 - Camera Compatibility
06:07 - Proper Exposure
07:05 - Pre-LUT Demo
09:21 - Decreasing the Look Intensity
10:13 - Base vs Creative LUTs
10:54 - Premiere and FCP X
11:38 - How I Create LUTs
12:35 - More Examples
14:46 - Grading an Entire Sequence
16:56 - LUTs vs DaVinci CST
17:49 - Closing Thoughts
18:24 - Where to Buy - Фільми й анімація
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Thanks for watching!
Best explanation of creative vs corrective LUTs I've heard yet. I love the organization you have of using the two.
Also I haven't seen any LUTs that give you options for stop changes. Incredible.
Thanks! Yes, I wanted these LUTs to be as useful as possible!
I just bought your lut package (conversion + creative), and I am happy with the results I get from my FX3. Fantastic creative luts that are not just oversaturated teal and orange and are pleasing!
So glad to hear! Thanks for the comment!
Hey Evan, thx so much for your amazing LUT pack. I tried a couple of other creator LUTs and your bundle is „by far“ the most elegant, effective and creative out there. It's really handy, tasteful and it is so much fun to use. In fact I was little shocked how good my log footage really is - thanks to your nice color conversions.
Thank you very much for the kind words. Love to hear they work well for you!
Really a great video, not just selling your LUTs but also talking through how they are used. I'll probably make a purchase.
Absolutely, I firmly believe in education before making blanket statements and forcing my LUTs on people! I want them to be as useful as possible.
after countless hours trying to educate myself on everything you've mentioned i finally feel i have some base level knowledge. Far too many youtubers overcomplicate information but i feel as if you have given a simple, clean explanation. have just purchased your slog+creative pack and cant wait to dive into it all.
im farely new in the videography scene and colour grading has been my biggest fear/issue but youve given me some confidence that using luts isnt a "shortcut" or begginer way to grade. You've earned a sub, purchase and a new fan. thanks so much mate! given me a boost of confidence and a new keenness to film more.
These are the comments I live for and the reason I make the videos! Glad to hear I’ve inspired you and I know you’ll make great things using the LUTs.
WOW! This is the first LUT pack I've seen that provides compensation for exposing over (I do +1.7 stops) like I do on my old FS5! And I also love how you give plus and minus versions of contrast along with the warm and cool versions too! It also impressed me how you're desiring to keep the technical integrity of the base conversion clean...so many LUT packs out today are just terrible and do more harm than good. My initial response to the opening few seconds of your intro in this video was surprising too and I literally thought...wow...that looks great to begin with!
Wow. Very helpful and clear. Gave me a nice framework to build off of as I learn. Thanks.
Evan, thank you greatly for this incredibly detailed, helpful, and well produced video. Just purchased the combo LUT pack, and am super stoked to start trying this workflow. Keep up the incredible work :)
Best Luts ever, thanks for this incredible contribution!
Absolutely, thank you for the support
Very helpful breakdown , thank you so much
Super informative, thank you so much for this!
Absolutely!
Awesome stuff! Thank you!!
I just found your channel and as I was searching for da Vinci resolve videos/color grading, this video came up
I just bought the S Log creative pack from you a couple days ago and loaded it onto my M2 iPad
I have an A74 , recorded in Slog3cine like you say, and I tried out the baseline first and it was amazing. I didn’t even want to touch it lol.
Then I experimented with just the creatives, Created three nodes then put the creative lut in the center
Did some very very light tweaking ahead and behind and can’t tell you how much I am happy with these luts.
Thank you so very much for creating this for us
Other luck packs I have bought just seem to be overdone and even if you try to tune everything down, it’s still looks like a pile of crap
I love how you can push and pull these, and they respond so nicely to subtlety
Do I dare venture to say that I like these better than the phantom lutz although those are good, but I like the options I get with your pack, and the integrated conversion in the creatives.
Keep up the good work, I am a fan of yours now, and I look forward to more education from you
I'm so glad to hear, thank you so much for the kind words! This is exactly why I created them.
thank you for these!
Thanks for sharing it. ✌️
Absolutely!
I really liked what you made here, all the looks look great, but I think we need the same color for Dji drone. Having the same look across drone and you camera is mandatory nowadays, specially for one man band people like. if yes it would be 100% a buy for me, thanks
Thanks, appreciate it! What drone do you use and what color profile do you shoot on it?
@@EvanSchneider you thanks for replying, I use Mavic 3 and air 2s depends on the job. I think you would have a lot to gain by adding the same process for DJI drones in the pack.
Hi Evan, I have one more question. What do you set in „Color space tag“ and „Gamma Tag“ when exporting? Thx!
Hey there, new to all of this. Been learning a lot on DaVinci Studio and Procreate Dreams.
Just came across your content and would love to try some of these out. I am currently shooting with a Sony zv-1 and a Sony a6600.
Seems like I can get both in slog-3. Any advice on or knowledge with your packs and these cameras?
Would be greatly appreciated.
Do you think the LUTs will be suitable for the FS7 MK1 aswell? When shooting in CineEI S-Gamut3.Cine/SLog3 the base iso is fixed on 2000. And in order to get less noise you have to overexpose.
And can you recommend using the LUTs as a monitor LUT on an Atomos device? Because if i overexpose by almost 2 stops i can't use 2 Luts simultaniously in order to compensate for the overexposure.
Thx in advance :)
They won't be as accurate, but they would definitely still work. If you're comfortable in DaVinci Resolve, you could combine the base LUT and the -2 stop LUT and then export it as a single LUT. If not, I'd be happy to provide you with a combined version if you purchase the pack and then reply to your order confirmation to send me an email.
just bough the pack super amped. My only question is and I know you referenced it a bit in the video is _ when using premier pro how do you go about adding the luts first to last. The base LUTS and the creative LUTS wouldn't be added together correct? You would add a creative LUT to the primary footage and then a pre LUT to the adjustment layer or you would just use a base LUT for the look and not add anything else. I guess what I am really asking is its either only PRE LUT / Base LUT or Pre LUT / Creative LUT would be added together and the Creative or Base would be for the primary footage and the Creative would be for the adjustment layer?
Glad you're liking it, thanks for the support!
In short, you would use either one of the base LUTs or one of the creative LUTs at a time.
You can either apply these in the "Look" menu under the Creative tab in Lumetri on each clip, or apply using an adjustment layer above your footage, also in the "Creative LUT" menu in Lumetri.
The Pre-LUTs are meant to be applied before the base or creative LUTs in the pipeline. They aren't necessary, but can be an easy way to make a quick adjustment. You apply these on the clip under the "Input LUT" menu under the Basic Correction tab.
With this workflow, you can adjust the Basic Correction sliders on each clip to adjust for exposure, white balance, saturation, etc and achieve really nice, organic and realistic results on your footage.
Hi Evans Lovely video,
I prefer seeing the LUTS in camera as am filming and use an iPad Pro with Final Cut so I just want to make minor changes in post to the LUTs only using S-Log3 or do I have to use S-cine with your LUTS; is this possible? and I take it your LUTS work using Sony7Cii ?
Am pretty new to this but most UA-camrs recommend not using s-cine instead using S-log 3 as you have more room to colour grade?
Hi, thank you! These LUTs are designed only for S-Log3/S-Gamut3.Cine or PP8 in camera. S-Cine is kind of a hybrid profile, not fully log but not a fully baked-in look, giving you some flexibility in post. If you try to apply my S-Log3 LUTs to footage shot in S-Cinetone, it will look too contrasty and saturated. However, with properly shot footage in S-Log3, my LUTs require very minimal adjustments to make it look good. You can also monitor with them on an external monitor when shooting. Hope this helps!
Great video! Does the Sony codecs give you better or worse log quality? I’m asking because I’ve been trying get away with not buying cfexpress type A cards but I’ve been leaning towards purchasing them and taking advantage of the higher codecs if it will increase quality
The most important thing would be to record in 10-bit color depth. If you can get away with that without buying the more expensive cards, then I'd say you're fine. But of course the combination of 10-bit depth and high data rates will give to the best results.
So good! Dude! I want a Sony camera due to size and features but Canon color and skintones are my favorite what’s the best way to get those canon creamy colors on a Sony? I’d be baking LUT into an a7c2 or zve1 haven’t decided which to get for 4k24 video
My LUTs are nice and buttery. They don’t mimic canon colors but there are some nice looks with good skin tones.
I really want to buy this package but my b camera is a Sony A6100 and from what I understand all the creative Luts have the rec709 conversion is there a way to match them or another package that just has the creative Luts without the conversion?
Yes, that's right, the creative LUTs have the conversion built-in, which allows you to save time and simplify the workflow. You could also use the regular conversion LUTs and then add your own creative look yourself, or use one of my creative LUT packs to add on top. Hope this helps.
Hi Evan! I am interested in your luts but I have some questions about the workflow. For exposure adjusment which way is better? regular wells or HDR wells aplying slog3 setting in the cong well?
Hi there, I recommend applying the LUT, then making a node before the LUT and using the Primary Offset wheel to make exposure and balance adjustments. You can also use the HDR Exposure wheel, it has a slightly different response.
So if i buy your lut package will it convert my existing luts with your lut package from 65 to 33 resolution so I can use on my Sony FX3. so being a newbie I want to import these into my sony fx3 and burn them into my footage. I use Premier pro. So do I really need creative Lut package with S-log3 ??? Im confused
Thanks for the question. These LUTs do not affect any existing LUTs in your library. They are all at 33x33 resolution, so they are compatible with loading onto the FX3 to shoot with.
The creative LUTs in this pack are unique because they are coupled with the S-Log3/S-Gamut3.Cine conversion. This enables you to load the creative LUTs into your camera as well, allowing you to shoot with a creative style review or burn a creative style straight into your footage from the camera in one step.
Hope that helps clarify!
Love it✌️ what is color management setting plz 🙏
Rec.709 Gamma 2.4 working space and output
I purchased them and I love them! really Great! May I have a question? How do I deal with the situation when I have s-Log3 shots but also D-cinelike from my DJI Mini 3 pro. Thank you very much
Thanks so much! Glad to hear. I don't recommend using the S-Log3 LUTs on mismatching footage. D-Cinelike is kind of a hybrid gamma (not fully log but still gives room for grading), so you could probably get by adding some contrast and saturation or a custom tone curve to your taste to get it to match the Sony footage.
@@EvanSchneider Thank you! I used your „Conversion“ „Basev1“ on D-Cinelike and it works just fine. However using any „Creative“ it is way off.
Plz make tutorial short how to create luts sir...
Hello friend, how are you, I love your work, I'm going to buy your SONY S-LOG3 TO REC.709 + CREATIVE LUTS package, I wanted to ask you something maybe I should be clear about it but no, I work on FCP X, and I understand that the creative luts It goes after the color transformation to rec 709, is that right?
Hi, thank you! These creative LUTs are coupled with the S-Log3 conversion in the same LUT. So you would use only one at a time. Either one of the base LUTs or one of the creative looks. Then you can always apply one of the Pre-LUTs before the main LUT if you need any slight adjustments.
How do we instal them no instructions in the download
I'm looking for luts to import into my camera, so I'm not looking at slog wash out on the monitor, would you use a pre lut for camera or base lut? Thanx!!
Base LUT for in-camera. The Pre-LUTs are meant for post processing if you need to make slight adjustments easily.
I noticed you have LUTs that will work for footage from any camera, but I shoot the Nikon Z9 and there isn't much available specifically for my camera. I'm thinking you may not have needed to edit Nikon footage, so I'm hesitant to buy the LUTs that will work on most or all footage without knowing that they will for sure work on Z9 N-Log. Can you help me make that decision? Thanks so much. I also shoot Mavic Pro 3 Cine footage which your LUTs would probably work on, right? And I'm new to all this.
So my LUTs are split into two different categories. Creative LUTs and conversion LUTs. The conversion LUTs are camera-specific and profile-specific, for instance conversion LUTs for Sony S-Log3 on the A7SIII, FX3, etc. Currently I do not offer camera-specific conversion LUTs for N-Log or D-Log.
Then there are the creative LUTs, which are camera agnostic. This is possible because they are designed only to apply a creative look to the footage, with a subtle tone curve and other color adjustments to apply a specific style. With these, if you're shooting in a profile like N-Log, you would have to first convert it using a conversion LUT or a colorspace transform in Resolve, and then you would apply the creative LUT. The color accuracy of this workflow falls on the responsibility of the conversion LUT or CST.
Some of my packs offer creative LUTs within the conversion LUT, but those are still camera-specific and are designed to make it easy to achieve a creative look within one single step.
Hope this helps!
so lets say i run the lut on my monitor or camera, would i be running the coversion or creative ?
The beauty of it is that you can run either, whatever you prefer. The creative LUTs have the base conversion built-in, so you can either run one of the base LUTs or any of the creative LUTs on an S-Log3 source. Then of course you can fine-tune and tweak it in post.
what camera/lens did you shoot the slog 3 footage with?
This is a mix of footage I shot as well as stock footage. Most of it is the A7S III, some is FX3, FX30, and some FX6. The LUTs have been tested on footage from the A7IV as well. Lots of testing!
Hi Evan. I've bought the pack and am trying to get my head around setting up the project.
In Project Settings what should the 'Color Management' settings be for color science, timeline color space and output color space? And when using these LUTS these no need for a CST node? Thx
Hi, when using these LUTs you should set up the project in DaVinci YRGB mode (not color managed). Timeline colorspace should be Rec.709 Gamma 2.4 and output should be same as timeline. No need for a CST, these serve the same purpose. If you’re on a Mac and you want to use the Rec.709-A workflow, you can do that too.
@@EvanSchneider Great - thanks for the reply.
I am highly interested in your luts, they look great. Do these work for D-Log on Mavic 3 pro? And if not do you have recommendations to get a LUT to match your luts? Thanks in advance mate :)
Thank you! These are specifically for Sony S-Log3 footage. I currently don’t have LUTs for D-Log on Mavic 3 Pro, but you could convert it using one of DJI’s LUTs or a CST, then apply one of my creative LUTs to give it a look.
I'd love to know more about doing this for D-Log and N-Log. Thank you! @@EvanSchneider
I know it will do but would this look as great in the FX6 correct? I know these cameras are very similar just wanted to confirm that.
Yes works with the FX6 shooting in S-Log3 S-Gamut3.cine
Hi! Can I use your LUTS on Capcut PC/mobile?
Thanks for sharing. I have one question, can I use slog3 lut (yours) if i have filmed with slog2 ?
These are only compatible with S-Log3. You could try a CST in Resolve to convert from an S-Log2 to S-Log3 curve, but I wouldn’t necessarily advise that and your results will vary.
@@EvanSchneider thank you for your response !
Do your Sony LUTs support the A6700 since the sensor is the same as the FX30?
Yes, they will work on the a6700!
is there a discount Code?
I am interested in your luts and I have a question, Can I use this luts for commercial? Such as converting my footage for Video stock, UA-cam and etc
Yes, absolutely! I use them in my own commercial grading work and I've seen them used in stock footage before as well. If you're asking in terms of legality, yes, you can use them for any work, personal or commercial that you make.
Question, can you only use the creative luts with your rec-709 convert lut? Or could i use a different rec709 base lut and then apply these? I see in your faq on your lutco site that it can be used for all types of cameras, but these are sony centric, yes? Hence my confusion/question.
I like most of the looks but the pack is expensive (dont get me wrong i understand the value; just want to know i dont sink $58 into this without research). I would love to see examples outside of yours cause there's no way for me to tell if you've just edited them in post after recording the screen. TBF, i don't think you have, but it would be nice to see other people's work vs just the creator.
Thanks for the question! The creative LUTs in this pack are coupled with the S-Log3 to Rec.709 conversion, so they can only be used on S-Log3 footage. I do sell other creative LUTs in my store that are meant for a Rec.709 input, meaning you can use them on any footage from any camera.
I take the examples very seriously and all of the ones you see on the website have only the LUT applied, no other changes. I'm working on getting some examples from other people using the LUTs, but sometimes it's tough to track them down.
Hope this helps.
I just purchase your S-log lets package but they made my image really over exposed is there a place to call ?
You’re probably shooting overexposed to begin with. Make sure to shoot at around 0 on the meter on your camera. Feel free to respond to your order email with any questions and I can help troubleshoot!
Thinking about grabbing that pack. So you recommend 0.0 on the mm for exposure?
Yup, that’s right. Essentially, I recommend exposing as what looks best with the gamma assist turned on in-camera. When in doubt, save the highlights, as you can always bring it up in post as long as you’re not pushing ISO too far. The LUTs will line up with the gamma assist and then you can fine tune from there.
Thank you. Grabbed the pack sir!@@EvanSchneider
I just got this Luts pack alongside with the ones for ProRes/iPhone. I used these LUTs with my A7III (it’s old and it does not support 10bit, but I’m not looking for something super professional) since I shoot a couple of S-Log3 videos, but using FCP I’m getting a very dark image, I know I’m probably doing something wrong (I used the creative ones), any advise?, it would be much appreciated.
It’s difficult to know exactly what could be wrong without seeing some screen grabs. You can reply back to your order email for specific support. How did you expose in camera? On the exposure meter, was it around 0? Do you have gamma assist turned on to help? My first guess is that you’ve underexposed the image and when apply the LUT, it pushes the dark tones even lower.
@@EvanSchneider Sure thing, I will. Thank you for the quick response!
Thanks for this tips! Can I use slog3 gamut on sonyA7iii? Do you suggest slog2? Can I also use your luts with slog2? Thanks…
Hi, yes you can shoot in S-Log3/S-Gamut3.cine with the A7III. It is limited to 8-bit color, however, so you may experience a bit of artifacting because of this. You may want to expose 1 or 2 stops over to achieve cleaner shadows, then use our Pre-LUT to correct followed by the conversion LUT.
These LUTs are not compatible with S-Log2. If you try to apply them, the footage will appear overly contrasty and saturated.
Many thanks for these info! :) It's fine to apply these luts with sony a7 III?
thanks @@EvanSchneider
Are you saying that if someone is going to use your LUTS. They should not expose 2 stops over/over expose when recording?
That’s correct. Expose however you think looks good. Highly recommend using gamma display assist and not viewing the log image when shooting.
However, if you are used to shooting 2 stops over from previous Sony workflows, the Pre-LUTs will compensate for it before you apply the base or creative LUTs.
Any restrictions on purchasing this if I live in Italy? Experienced not being able to download Luts before after purchase, thanks
No restrictions, all good
Just bought the creative package, these luts really takes the stress away of getting that exposure perfect, enjoying making short films and the creative luts are really clean!
do u have example for night shot for this luts? thx
I don't specifically, but if you submit a request through the contact form on the LUTCo website, you can send me a clip or two of your own and I'll send back some samples with the LUTs applied.
i dont have camera. i only shoot on iphone. can i use your luts? if i convert my iphone color science into sony slog3 using cinematch in davinci?
I wouldn't necessarily recommend it, but if you wanted to try that you would use a ColorSpace Transform effect to convert from Rec.709 to Sony S-Log3/S-Gamut3.Cine, then in the next node apply one of the S-Log3 LUTs.
If you're shooting Apple Log on the iPhone 15 Pro, I have specific LUTs for that.
The best way is to use creative LUTs and not log conversion LUTs.
Thanks for the clarification. appreciated.@@EvanSchneider
So you recommend for fx30 and fx30 to just expose properly and not to the right?
Yes, that’s what I recommend. Exposing to the right was a method to avoid noisy 8-bit S-Log3 footage but now with the new sensors and 10-bit 4:2:2 it’s no longer an issue. And S-Log3 gives you good flexibility in post.
@@EvanSchneider oh thank God! Coming from 12 years in photography to filming it has been driving me nuts learning about slog and over exposing. I followed your instagram today, dig your stuff. Thanks!
Please explain what’s the secondary node for ? Please
The secondary node is simply for making exposure, white balance, contrast and saturation adjustments. You could do it on the same node as the LUT, but for some of my examples, I created a new LUT for organizational and processing pipeline reasons, as it's best to do those types of adjustments before the conversion LUT.
@@EvanSchneider already bought the luts thsnks for the effort
What LUT do you use on your talking head videos?
I shoot most of my talking head on the Fuji X-H2s with my F-Log2 LUTs, it depends on my lighting and mood but usually I go for the "Filmic" and "KodakGold" looks in that pack. If I'm filming on the A7S III, I really enjoy using the "Cine", "Everyday", or "Calico". The base looks are great for general stuff that I don't necessarily want to look very stylized, just nice and clean.
Hello. I am interested in buying your LUT pack. I am using Sony ZV-E1 and I shoot videos with Slog3 and edit clips in Final Cut Pro , should I apply your conversion LUT + creative LUT or I only need to apply creative LUT alone (since it’s specially designed for slog3)? One more question would be because on ZV-E1, I can upload your LUT to my camera so that I can see the result on my screen (without really embed to my clips) , I can easily shoot video based on the live histogram on my camera ?
Hi, in this pack, the creative LUTs are coupled with the conversion within the same LUT, so you only need to apply one at a time. This is designed to save time and simplify the workflow.
And yes, you can shoot video based on the histogram on your camera, because these LUTs are specifically designed for S-Log3 and match the middle gray point of S-Log3, so the way you expose in camera will be accurately reflected when you apply the LUT. Hope this helps!
@@EvanSchneiderThank you for your kind reply and your clear explanation in your clip. As a newbie, your clip does help clear my confusion a lot! I have bought your basic + creative LUT set (02440)!! I love them and it makes my post processing so much easier and save lots of my time. I particular like your pre-LUT and it saves the imperfection in exposure during recording .
@@EvanSchneider 7 month ago you were so kind to address my concern and I purchased the Sony slog3 base + creative LUT. Today I really wanna say it was one of the best decisions I have ever made. The LUTs particularly the creative LUTs are so good that in most of the cases the collar grade are completed done in one click! (sometimes with minor adjustment due to my own exposure problems.). Thank you EvanScheider! I am going to purchase another LUT pack for my non-slog clips!
Would it suit the A6700 as well?
Yes indeed! As long as you shoot in S-Log3/S-Gamut3.cine
What if I use the 6700 could I use these?
Yes, as long as it’s set to record in S-Log3/S-Gamut3.cine
Will these work with the A7Rv?
Yes they will!
it's only for DaVinci ?
Nope these LUTs work in any major editing software - Premiere, FCP, etc.
Will they work for s log 2?
Only S-Log3 for these. But if you're shooting on a newer Sony, S-Log3 is worth it for the image quality increase.
@@EvanSchneider Will you recommend shooting on slog 3 on sony A7C?
@@producerMykah S-Log3 on the A7C is still 8-bit, so it is possible but causes extra strain on the image, so I’d recommend sticking with S-Log2 on that camera. Might adapt these for S-Log2 at some point but wanted to start with S-Log3.
Alright let me know. Cos I got the outs and it didn’t work well on my videos
@@producerMykah did you apply them to S-Log2 or S-Log3? They’ll be overpowering if you apply them to S-Log2. You could lower the contrast of the footage to offset it as a workaround.
Yur description does not include Sony Zve1 is it supported with slog3?
Yes I need to update the description. ZV-E1 is supported since it has the same sensor as the A7Siii and FX3.
great job de-mystifying LUTS
Thanks! That was definitely one of my goals here
JUST GOT UR LUT PACKAGE, TURNED ALL MY VIDEOS TO BLACK, THANX FOR NOTHING
can u share it with me? so that i can justify..
pls share it with me dude
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Do your LUTs work for Sony a7iii slog3?
Yes, they will work with S-Log3 on the a7iii. Only note is that it’s a different sensor, so the colors will be slightly different coming out of the LUT. Probably only noticeable if you’re closely comparing the two though.