I understand your pov on the subject and even think Tstrafe should not be removed on roller but this is what respawn needs to do to send a message. Lets hope this goes forward...! Now, i used roller for 15+ yrs, bought a pc 3yr ago and last year finally commited to mnk...! My question is, u choose to use controller from the start, u also have aim assist (which is quite strong on Apex), why do u feel u need more keys/binds?! If u want movement make the switch to mnk and learn it the hard way. I accept the pads and triggers but anything besides that is creating an even bigger gap and that's why the game is where it is. Not even the "regular" rollers wanna play this anymore cuz kids just write an essay on a docx and become Neo in game with aimbot. Its not fun. Keep it up! ✌
Ya so I'm in the same boat, I've been on controller my whole life & I just prefer to play on them, I have m&k & have used it but honestly I just don't enjoy it as much (regardless of the game) controller just feel like gaming to me (if that makes sense). Additional keys is cool because its just convenient, being able to have a revive button instead of looting a bin or opening a door is a small thing but it has definitely lost me games before. (There are other options that it allows, like I said in the video) I DO completely agree though that I hope this sends a message to cheaters and it takes them out of the game, while I'll maintain the stance that tag stafing could hopefully be worked into the game because I think it's fair to have it available on both (and I definitely don't consider that movement to be cheating, everything else.. 100%!)
i think the best way to go about this is to add an in game bind called "tap strafe" so controller and mnk can bind it to a single button or key and all it does is press W at a fixed rate because thats all tap strafing is, just a bunch of W inputs very fast
Agreed! This is the way to deal with that. Plus, I can play hybrid. Mnk or Roller but I prefer roller due to the comfort in my shoulder. But when I did play and binded it to scroll wheel, my strafes were way more precise on Mnk and just as easy. An FPS mouse with a scroll wheel with 15 inputs a scroll is OP. lol There's no "skill" to it.
@@CARTUNE. I really wish more M and K players could hear that. I've only ever played roller and took M and K players word that it was much harder to use lurch tech than using paddles with configs.
@@CARTUNE. you are lying, tap strafing on roller was incredibly more op and less skillful. im horrible at roller but i was doing movement like crazy, i was basically neo strafing by holding the tap strafe bind and spinning my joystick. that takes zero skill. mnk takes timing to actually ras strafe properly, yet some roller demon does that 10 fold by spinning his joystick. if they bring it back, they need to limit so its only forward directional for momentum shifts at least.
Contorller config user here as well just to tap stafe. Why didnt they just remove lurch tech entirely from the game for all users then? This just seems a little one sided and they could have definitely removed the absolute abuse of configs without removing simple roller lurch tech.
Exactly, all I want is tap strafing... I think it'd be absolutely hilarious if they removed the ability to bind a movement to scroll wheel for M&K & see the amount crying that would come from that side. Because if I'm honest, how is it fair that they have the ability to perform these skills when it's not even a possibility for us. Make it a super challenging skill to use, I'll put in the time to learn it, but for it to not be an option is unfair & unbalanced.
@@Jodesy11 I agree 100 percent. I think their argument always falls back to AA being that thing that only we have access to with no acknowledgement that it's a handicap for using sticks over M and K. It really always falls back to AA. I know many other roller players who used configs that would prefer lessened to no AA to still have some tap strafing config abilities.
@@Jodesy11 sounds like copium to me, but you guys have your whole arm to aim with. its takes actual skill to be good on mnk, whereas controller is easier to pick up and still do good any automated movement is cheating so just go back to your corner and cry :)
@@smooshi3167 controller definitely is easier to pick up & be good with, ill agree with you there but it doesn't mean we shouldnt have the opportunity to learn the skill of tap strafing. It's so easy to do on M&K that a 3 year old could figure it out🤷. (I'm just uploading a follow-up video right now showing that off, even I can do it & not only do I never use that input method but I also hadn't even tried to use it for likely over a year..)
You shouldn’t be able to tap strafe on controller. I’m so glad they removed this. The only reason to play KBM over roller is for movement. AA still needs a nerf, but this is a step in the right direction.
@@Jodesy11 it’s a very common opinion lol. No pro player has swapped from roller to mnk, but plenty have swapped to roller. And they can’t tapstrafe on roller in ALGS
Simple fix is to remove lurch mechanics from the game entirely. But mnk crybabies will whine and scream if any changes are made to their portion of the game, so that’s likely out of the question.
I went up against some wraith doing idk what kinda strafing movement yesterday & there's nobody that could tell me that it wasn't cheating, was absolutely insane
Controller players have legal aimbot, literally, sure, not being able to tap strafe cfg is silly, but if you get mad you cant tap strafe, your just greedy. Great changes, now nerf aim assist and the game will be better, bring back mnk competitive scene, not a bunch of hunchbacks
Maybe a bit of an over-exaggeration haha, aimbot is pretty op I heard😂 but regardless whole point of what I'm saying is that I'd gladly take a weakened AA if it would allow us tap strafing. & To be completely honest I don't much follow the competitive scene (just when I get ripped by pros in ranked😅🫠)
For sure, it'd just be nice if there was consistency across inputs. Remove the ability to bind forward movement to your scroll wheel & then you could play "legit" too
@@Jodesy11 I appreciate where your going with that.. however save your time and effort as I play apex on the ps5, there's non of this drama with a straight forward console. Although our long-awaited 120fps update arriving tickles my pickle for sure.
That's where I came from & I'm psyched that you guys are finally getting 120fps too, it'll be so wicked for yas! But just imagine if you could tap strafe too, ooooooo it'd be good
@@Clegg. i think the difference is that we have to play with mnk on pc if we are roller players. tap strafe config was a way to keep up. on console everyone's on the same playing field. imagine if one day xbox was able to config tap strafing but ps5 couldn't. feels like that. and there's also the fact that many roller players have been using a simple tap strafe config for years now. I've dumped so much time and effort into perfecting my movement on par with good mnk players movement and now its gone. it feels like i have to devolve to a Neanderthal to play the game. its such a less fun and dumbed down way of playing which might just be my opinion but movement was what kept me playing for so long. then i get the argument to "just switch to mnk" ive been on controller since i was 6. the endless hours i have with a controller makes it my home. no one should be forced to a different input simply because it literally cant do the same input as another
If y’all haven’t noticed they only removed tap strafing :/ they still got jitter aiming and auto armor swapping and everything on controller which is unfair(I’m a controller player) but they only removed tap strafing and Neo strafing like bro what. That wasn’t the problems the problem was aim assist boost and jitter aiming macro and mantle jump macro and all these extra stuff
Ya, I've used m&k before but it's just the fact that I prefer not using it haha, not because of in-game how it is but just sitting up and being so close to my desk & what not
Yeah it feels better and you can practice all the aim Labs you want you are not going to win against aim assist. I stopped playing this game cuz if feels just like cod now days controller heaven.
thats a lie cause m&k still have configs lol bet logitech software is still able to be used. Hope they fix it all tbh but the crying controller gets is just laughable like m&k doesnt use it as well.
Honestly, from my point of view, make tap strafe universally available [in-game]make it easier for PC to do too if they would like to be upset about the "skill" that it takes to perform it. & Then just get rid of everything else. The neo stuff & just bizarre movement that occurs only on M&K (without the cheats)
@@Jodesy11 but you said above that "its so easy a 3yo could figure it out" how could they possibly make it easier than that? Your opinion would hold more weight if it wasn't all over the place. Seems like you don't really know what you want...
I mean, press and hold a button easy (which is slightly easier than how easy it already is), check the video I just uploaded where I tap strafe it up with m&k kinda proving that point
@@Jodesy11 you cant do the exact same stuff with all the 3rd party things like logitech and other software used from different m&k companies software that comes with their equipment.
"...The use of software that automates game mechanics for a competitive edge over other Apex players is considered cheating and is unacceptable." Does this include software that... I don't know... is functionally a soft aimbot that reacts to and tracks targets with 0ms reaction time and inhuman tracking? Software that has effectively made it impossible for more raw input based devices to compete at higher levels?
Yes I understand all those other configs are cheating but how are yap strafing cheating😂 yes we still have to put and do the input to beable to do it? Why remove it from controller when you can do it EASILY on kbm? It would be fair if they did all of it
I would say that you guys have really strong aim assist. But if they were to fix aim assist and reduce it, I wouldn't be opposed to having controller players tap strafe.
@@rushigg9297 which I would be 100% fine with, I feel like that has been a relatively common feeling among m&k folks that have let me know their opinions ( I actually just spoke about it some more in my upload from an hour or so ago)
All these pros are cheating. If respawn are telling the truth here then none of these current best players will still be best players. Tap strafing is cheating and does give you an edge.
@@Thundersgaming yeah but thats simply because the scroll wheel allows for it. flicking something that can make a bunch of consecutive inputs really fast is what allows for it. if controller was theoretically built with a scroll wheel some how it would be completely different. its not about wether they can bind it or not because technically roller can to but it doesnt do anything because theres nothing on a roller that can make inputs that fast. all tap strafe config did was make a button do what a mnk players mouse can do. i agree configs should be completely removed and unavailabe because it allows for much worse things but it seems stupid to me that they didnt make a way in game to do it. movement isnt cheating. configs is cheating
Apex has been dead and now they really just killed any chance of controller players even being nearly competitive at all. Tbh if I could play m&k i would but im physically unable to. Being able to tap strafe of contoller was nice but still no where near as good as using m&k. You are either accurate or fast on controller. You can have both on m&k. Complaining about aim assist in Apex is probably the biggest COPE ive ever seen
@@Jodesy11 if ur just looking for fun and can’t find fun in this game anymore, just leave. We don’t appreciate you anyway. Taking away tap strafe from controller is the best thing ea has ever done
dude the only thing i used steam config was for simple tap strafes now i cant do it
We on the struggle bus😂🫠
Same something needs to change after what they did.
I understand your pov on the subject and even think Tstrafe should not be removed on roller but this is what respawn needs to do to send a message. Lets hope this goes forward...!
Now, i used roller for 15+ yrs, bought a pc 3yr ago and last year finally commited to mnk...! My question is, u choose to use controller from the start, u also have aim assist (which is quite strong on Apex), why do u feel u need more keys/binds?! If u want movement make the switch to mnk and learn it the hard way. I accept the pads and triggers but anything besides that is creating an even bigger gap and that's why the game is where it is. Not even the "regular" rollers wanna play this anymore cuz kids just write an essay on a docx and become Neo in game with aimbot. Its not fun.
Keep it up! ✌
Ya so I'm in the same boat, I've been on controller my whole life & I just prefer to play on them, I have m&k & have used it but honestly I just don't enjoy it as much (regardless of the game) controller just feel like gaming to me (if that makes sense).
Additional keys is cool because its just convenient, being able to have a revive button instead of looting a bin or opening a door is a small thing but it has definitely lost me games before. (There are other options that it allows, like I said in the video)
I DO completely agree though that I hope this sends a message to cheaters and it takes them out of the game, while I'll maintain the stance that tag stafing could hopefully be worked into the game because I think it's fair to have it available on both (and I definitely don't consider that movement to be cheating, everything else.. 100%!)
i think the best way to go about this is to add an in game bind called "tap strafe" so controller and mnk can bind it to a single button or key and all it does is press W at a fixed rate because thats all tap strafing is, just a bunch of W inputs very fast
Agreed! This is the way to deal with that. Plus, I can play hybrid. Mnk or Roller but I prefer roller due to the comfort in my shoulder. But when I did play and binded it to scroll wheel, my strafes were way more precise on Mnk and just as easy. An FPS mouse with a scroll wheel with 15 inputs a scroll is OP. lol There's no "skill" to it.
@@CARTUNE. I really wish more M and K players could hear that. I've only ever played roller and took M and K players word that it was much harder to use lurch tech than using paddles with configs.
We just want the tap strafe back apex, please🙌 hahah
@@CARTUNE. you are lying, tap strafing on roller was incredibly more op and less skillful. im horrible at roller but i was doing movement like crazy, i was basically neo strafing by holding the tap strafe bind and spinning my joystick. that takes zero skill. mnk takes timing to actually ras strafe properly, yet some roller demon does that 10 fold by spinning his joystick. if they bring it back, they need to limit so its only forward directional for momentum shifts at least.
Finally only been five years.
Contorller config user here as well just to tap stafe. Why didnt they just remove lurch tech entirely from the game for all users then? This just seems a little one sided and they could have definitely removed the absolute abuse of configs without removing simple roller lurch tech.
Exactly, all I want is tap strafing...
I think it'd be absolutely hilarious if they removed the ability to bind a movement to scroll wheel for M&K & see the amount crying that would come from that side.
Because if I'm honest, how is it fair that they have the ability to perform these skills when it's not even a possibility for us.
Make it a super challenging skill to use, I'll put in the time to learn it, but for it to not be an option is unfair & unbalanced.
@@Jodesy11 I agree 100 percent. I think their argument always falls back to AA being that thing that only we have access to with no acknowledgement that it's a handicap for using sticks over M and K.
It really always falls back to AA. I know many other roller players who used configs that would prefer lessened to no AA to still have some tap strafing config abilities.
@emmang2010 🙌
@@Jodesy11 sounds like copium to me, but you guys have your whole arm to aim with.
its takes actual skill to be good on mnk, whereas controller is easier to pick up and still do good
any automated movement is cheating so just go back to your corner and cry :)
@@smooshi3167 controller definitely is easier to pick up & be good with, ill agree with you there but it doesn't mean we shouldnt have the opportunity to learn the skill of tap strafing. It's so easy to do on M&K that a 3 year old could figure it out🤷. (I'm just uploading a follow-up video right now showing that off, even I can do it & not only do I never use that input method but I also hadn't even tried to use it for likely over a year..)
You shouldn’t be able to tap strafe on controller. I’m so glad they removed this. The only reason to play KBM over roller is for movement. AA still needs a nerf, but this is a step in the right direction.
So you think that controller is still superior to m&k? That's wild
@@Jodesy11 it’s a very common opinion lol. No pro player has swapped from roller to mnk, but plenty have swapped to roller. And they can’t tapstrafe on roller in ALGS
@@broskiezISMYGAMERTAG pros & average Joe's aren't the same tho😅 not even close
@@Jodesy11if professionals are swapping inputs they are used to, so they can win real money then that says a lot about controller.
Simple fix is to remove lurch mechanics from the game entirely. But mnk crybabies will whine and scream if any changes are made to their portion of the game, so that’s likely out of the question.
I went up against some wraith doing idk what kinda strafing movement yesterday & there's nobody that could tell me that it wasn't cheating, was absolutely insane
Controller players have legal aimbot, literally, sure, not being able to tap strafe cfg is silly, but if you get mad you cant tap strafe, your just greedy. Great changes, now nerf aim assist and the game will be better, bring back mnk competitive scene, not a bunch of hunchbacks
Maybe a bit of an over-exaggeration haha, aimbot is pretty op I heard😂 but regardless whole point of what I'm saying is that I'd gladly take a weakened AA if it would allow us tap strafing.
& To be completely honest I don't much follow the competitive scene (just when I get ripped by pros in ranked😅🫠)
@@Jodesy11 just search on UA-cam and decide if im over-exaggerating ''#1 Horizon Drops the QUICKEST 30 Bomb ever in Apex Legends + AIMBOT SENS.''
Okay haha, will do
"nerf aim assist" but pc can still tap strafe and do broken movement lmfao
@@ethrboy checked ur YT channel,ur new, not gonna argue
Using config to tap strafe must therefore be, cheating.
Congrats, you can now play legit 👍
For sure, it'd just be nice if there was consistency across inputs. Remove the ability to bind forward movement to your scroll wheel & then you could play "legit" too
@@Jodesy11 I appreciate where your going with that.. however save your time and effort as I play apex on the ps5, there's non of this drama with a straight forward console.
Although our long-awaited 120fps update arriving tickles my pickle for sure.
That's where I came from & I'm psyched that you guys are finally getting 120fps too, it'll be so wicked for yas!
But just imagine if you could tap strafe too, ooooooo it'd be good
@@Clegg. i think the difference is that we have to play with mnk on pc if we are roller players. tap strafe config was a way to keep up. on console everyone's on the same playing field. imagine if one day xbox was able to config tap strafing but ps5 couldn't. feels like that. and there's also the fact that many roller players have been using a simple tap strafe config for years now. I've dumped so much time and effort into perfecting my movement on par with good mnk players movement and now its gone. it feels like i have to devolve to a Neanderthal to play the game. its such a less fun and dumbed down way of playing which might just be my opinion but movement was what kept me playing for so long. then i get the argument to "just switch to mnk" ive been on controller since i was 6. the endless hours i have with a controller makes it my home. no one should be forced to a different input simply because it literally cant do the same input as another
If y’all haven’t noticed they only removed tap strafing :/ they still got jitter aiming and auto armor swapping and everything on controller which is unfair(I’m a controller player) but they only removed tap strafing and Neo strafing like bro what. That wasn’t the problems the problem was aim assist boost and jitter aiming macro and mantle jump macro and all these extra stuff
Lots of folks have been mentioning this, absolutely mind blowing tbh hahaha
aim assist configs still work according to that guy who's config video went viral
Lol that's wild😂😅
I used to use a roller trust apex feel so much better on KBM give it a fare shot and you'll beam Aim Lab helps a lot
Ya, I've used m&k before but it's just the fact that I prefer not using it haha, not because of in-game how it is but just sitting up and being so close to my desk & what not
Yeah it feels better and you can practice all the aim Labs you want you are not going to win against aim assist. I stopped playing this game cuz if feels just like cod now days controller heaven.
thats a lie cause m&k still have configs lol bet logitech software is still able to be used. Hope they fix it all tbh but the crying controller gets is just laughable like m&k doesnt use it as well.
Honestly, from my point of view, make tap strafe universally available [in-game]make it easier for PC to do too if they would like to be upset about the "skill" that it takes to perform it. & Then just get rid of everything else. The neo stuff & just bizarre movement that occurs only on M&K (without the cheats)
@@Jodesy11 but you said above that "its so easy a 3yo could figure it out" how could they possibly make it easier than that? Your opinion would hold more weight if it wasn't all over the place. Seems like you don't really know what you want...
I mean, press and hold a button easy (which is slightly easier than how easy it already is), check the video I just uploaded where I tap strafe it up with m&k kinda proving that point
@@Jodesy11 you cant do the exact same stuff with all the 3rd party things like logitech and other software used from different m&k companies software that comes with their equipment.
"...The use of software that automates game mechanics for a competitive edge over other Apex players is considered cheating and is unacceptable."
Does this include software that... I don't know... is functionally a soft aimbot that reacts to and tracks targets with 0ms reaction time and inhuman tracking? Software that has effectively made it impossible for more raw input based devices to compete at higher levels?
You talking about macros through razer & ghub? Or what?
@@Jodesy11 Im talking about aim assist
Ahhh yes i see
Yes I understand all those other configs are cheating but how are yap strafing cheating😂 yes we still have to put and do the input to beable to do it? Why remove it from controller when you can do it EASILY on kbm? It would be fair if they did all of it
Totally agree, it is such a simple movement to learn on mk, why can't we have it on roller too
I would say that you guys have really strong aim assist. But if they were to fix aim assist and reduce it, I wouldn't be opposed to having controller players tap strafe.
@@rushigg9297 which I would be 100% fine with, I feel like that has been a relatively common feeling among m&k folks that have let me know their opinions ( I actually just spoke about it some more in my upload from an hour or so ago)
Would it also be fair to give KBM aim assist? Roller is simply a better input than KBM on apex. The aim assist is heinous. You don’t get to complain 🤣
See i just don't agree with that, controller is better at close range fights and that is literally it.@@broskiezISMYGAMERTAG
Now they just need to totally remove tap strafing from the game and we'll finally have a win.
It'd be better if everyone could do it, it's fun🤷
cope
What about mouse scripts for anti recoil?
Personally don't know about these but have heard a bit about em from these comments, seems like a wild scenario if they really aren't banned
Is this live? Or is it coming in an upcoming patch?
It is live!!
All these pros are cheating. If respawn are telling the truth here then none of these current best players will still be best players. Tap strafing is cheating and does give you an edge.
It's definitely an opinion, is tap strafing on m&k cheating?
@@Jodesy11it’s not because in algs mnk can still tapstrafe in algs you could never use configs
@@Thundersgaming yeah but thats simply because the scroll wheel allows for it. flicking something that can make a bunch of consecutive inputs really fast is what allows for it. if controller was theoretically built with a scroll wheel some how it would be completely different. its not about wether they can bind it or not because technically roller can to but it doesnt do anything because theres nothing on a roller that can make inputs that fast. all tap strafe config did was make a button do what a mnk players mouse can do. i agree configs should be completely removed and unavailabe because it allows for much worse things but it seems stupid to me that they didnt make a way in game to do it. movement isnt cheating. configs is cheating
Apex has been dead and now they really just killed any chance of controller players even being nearly competitive at all. Tbh if I could play m&k i would but im physically unable to. Being able to tap strafe of contoller was nice but still no where near as good as using m&k. You are either accurate or fast on controller. You can have both on m&k. Complaining about aim assist in Apex is probably the biggest COPE ive ever seen
I agree with this, let us have a more challenging way to use it & that'd be fair
Cry babies, if mnk is so broken why not switch input
Cause we like using a controller🤷 m&k don't feel as fun
@@Jodesy11 if ur just looking for fun and can’t find fun in this game anymore, just leave. We don’t appreciate you anyway. Taking away tap strafe from controller is the best thing ea has ever done
@neneeveryday2716 Relaxxxx hahah, it's still an enjoyable game, it was just a fun mechanic to be able to use. It's whatever
Games ruined you attack controller players but still have M&K player using mouse macros through razor etc to auto jitter aim for them…
Hopefully all the macros will be phased out but ya it's interesting that only some of them are so far
Let's just make it fair for everyone and ban mnk! 😂
Lolol😂😂 that's a solution, ya love it haha
(sarcasm obviously, incase people don't get that)