Adaptive Cruise - Helping or hurting?
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- Опубліковано 9 жов 2019
- Are the robots coming for your job? Is Adaptive Cruise control going to lull you into complacency causing more accidents? We take a test drive today with a truck that has an automated transmission and Adaptive Cruise control to put some of these theories to a test. I learned a few things and found a few areas that deserve some attention. So let's dive in and take a look! #adaptivecruise #kenworth #t680
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I can tell you from experience... That it makes your life more dangerous on the road! Because the companies also use them to brake the truck and a lot of times the truck breaks at a bridge or a low hanging sign Slamming on the brakes- That is so dangerous and should be outlawed!
See, this is more of a calibration issue or other issue. How many times has it happened to you directly if I may ask?
@@KenworthofRichfield Many and I have made complaints to breakdown and they send me to a terminal shop and it works for a week or so and back to the same ole same ole.
You right it makes sick
I totally agree as I’m writing this my T680 gives me lot of codes adaptive cruise control fault, transmission fault Pcc engine fault it’s ridiculous, have been in almost 10 dealers n non one fix it better
Couldn't agree more driver
I’m curious to know what you’d say about that radar after it locks up the brakes just by going under a bridge.
Keeps slamming brakes under the bridge my co driver came flying outta bunk!! How do you disconnect it???
@@truckervic1980 why wasn't your Co driver using the net?
Same happened to me.
@@hawkinsm2103 REALLY? That's what you're concerned about?
Radar is affected by objects; not shadows from bridges.
This stuff is a nightmare! Maybe not for a test drive while trying to become an influencer but for a regular trucker it is a constant source of frustration
I cannot comment on Paccar’s system since I’ve never driven one with that system. I will say though that I hate it in the freightliners. It’s constantly locking onto road signs at night and slamming the brakes.
Be glad it's not an International.
My truck in cruise never stays at the target speed. If I set it at 65, it either goes 62 up the tiniest upgrade or randomly jumps to 68 when another truck is trying to pass. I have to manually intervene constantly.
Freightliner's cruise is at least smart.
Saw the title of this video and actually foolishly expected an open minded, objective review. Little did I know it's a truck salesman, trying to sell trucks and the current piece of shit Bendix equipment, offered on modern trucks. As somebody who actually drives trucks for a living. Believe me when I tell you, there's a world of difference between a 15 minute test drive, and driving 11 hours a day as I do most days. Every time some jackass 4 wheeler (car) cuts me off by about 5 feet in front of me to catch their last exit - beep beep beep, bendix brakes hard. Every time somebody on a Sunday drive starts lolligagging, erratically dropping their speed by 10 mph in front of me for no reason - beep beep beep. Every time I get brake checked, because I'm in a slow moving truck that somebody got stuck behind for a minute, couldn't figure out how to get around me, and so I'm apparently the a-hole who's holding them up and ruining their day, so as soon as they are able to pass me they make damn sure to cut me off as close as possible and slam on their brakes to apparently repay the favor of slowing them down (brake check) - beep beep beep, bendix slams the brakes hard, everything in the truck not tied down comes forward flying at me. One of my favorites is when there's a sudden sharp curve ahead that bendix fails to identify, but does pick up on the large blunt fixed object directly ahead of where you are, that if not for the curve, you'd be driving right straight head on at - ready for it? - beep beep beep, slam on the brakes.
How about the lane departure warning? Every time you enter a construction zone with a lane closed off by cones, that some overzealous worker got carried away, coned off the lane and 1/3 of the good travel lane by sticking the cones way too far over. Now me in the big wide truck has to straddle the lane and shoulder because that's the only way I fit. But does bendix know or recognize what's going on? Of course not. Only that I'm out of the lane - duh duh duh, duh duh duh, duh duh duh. Nonstop until I can either get back in the lane or out of the construction zone.
Such a neat, driver friendly system Bendix is. Annoys the shit out of the driver all day, until the driver does what Bendix wants it to. But hey, I guess so long as it is making us all "safer" right? 😉.
It's really not a bad idea at all. It just needs much further refinement. I've been driving since 08, and been in trucks with this crap in them since 14. Seven years now of beep beep beep all day long, and I'm still damn nearly postal, as a result.
The maddening thing about it is that. My own personal car has some very similar equipment, I've been in other cars with other similar equipment. And you know what? They all work fantastically, without annoying the ever loving shit out of the driver!! That's what I really don't get...is that it's been proven to me before that this kind of equipment can be made to work in a not so persistently annoying fashion. So where does it say that we truck drivers, who spend much more time on average, driving every day than a normal car commuter, have to have loud beeping, annoying, intrusive safety technology? Do we not deserve comfort and peace of mind too? Does the world really hate truck drivers that darn much, that not only do other commuters road rage on us all day long, but even truck manufacturers and companies tasked with making safety equipment for trucks, have to stick it to us like this, by seeing to it that we can never drive a truck in comfort with peace of mind, ever again?!?!
Until bendix starts to get serious and improve their equipment...just say no to bendix crap!!
#fuckbendix
Amen
I agree with most of what you said except some parts. For example, the truck SHOULD brake if someone brake checks shouldn’t it? Or would you rather it not do that, you go the same speed, and run into it? But for the most part I don’t like that Bendix thing either.
@@jaysant6958 @Anttjuan nah if someone brake checks you, the attentive DRIVER of the truck should brake, not the truck itself. I get that maybe if you're new to the industry, maybe you've never known anything but the current generation of trucks with the current technologies, but used to be trucks with none of these automated safety features on them. I've been driving trucks for almost 15 years. Zero accidents. *knock on wood*. I think the only reason they keep coming up with vehicles (not just trucks) with all these lane departure warning systems, automatic braking, blind spot monitoring, etc. Is because of the distracted driving epidemic. So long as there's still drivers of any vehicles that can't just drive and focus on that above all else, we're gonna continue to see more and more "safety features" that continually take more and more vehicle control out of our hands. Since that's who this technology is designed to save other drivers and pedestrians from, distracted drivers.
You nailed it completely.You should have over a million lakes
This is, itself, a dangerous distraction and averts an experienced driver’s attention from the way he/she know they have to do the job. It is extremely important to be in control of the situations as you best determine them on the road! That can’t be understated.
Neither automatic transmissions, nor this “adaptive” system allow for that. These actually works against you!
The blind-side sensor too!
Why??, if you have already determined that you can change lanes to the right, and already committed to it, does that need to sense NOTHING and beep to make you DANGEROUSLY SECOND-GUESS YOURSELF.
This system (and automatic transmissions) only give you more to worry about, more downtime with less repair options, less control, they are FATIGUING, and they should be scrapped. Bad ideas are problematic when they break, all for things YOU SHOULD BE DOING ON YOUR OWN FOR OPTIMAL SAFETY.
What’s wrong with a hood mirror?
Why can’t you choose your RPMs for the conditions?
Why let this system disrupt your smooth driving when you are simply using your space and keeping your speed?
We don’t need this. Totally hate it.
Additionally, I will never drive anymore automatic trucks of any kind. 10/10 automatic transmissions had major problems (in my experience), are needlessly expensive, work-prohibitive, unnecessary and complicated junk. All have been problems, compared to manual, of which (outside of one total failure at 1,300,000 miles), I’ve never had any major issue, and they’ve saved me from getting stuck, be it from a bad starter, ice or mud. You can make superior, smoother, calculated moves, provided your foot doesn’t totally slip off the clutch pedal.
We could not agree with you more. We had a 2010 Kenworth that we ran all the way until last month. We just bought a 2019 Peterbilt 579 and it has this stupid system on it and it's an automatic. My husband in his 30 years of driving has never driven an automatic. He said it is absolutely horrible and he feels like he doesn't have the kind of control over the truck that he is used to and needs. Just because of the automatic transmission we set up our payments so we could have it paid off in 3 years which is when the warranty expires. He already can't wait to get rid of it. Now this navigation thing won't allow him to put on his oversized signs. It's not possible. It doesn't stop beeping. We so badly want to find out how to disable that whole system altogether. We had to order an owner's manual because it didn't come with one. We've only had the truck about a week. She is majorly regretting the automatic transmission.
@@jenniferwasko4540 I’m so sorry. The one I was referring to was the same make and model of truck, with the Paccar, dealer-specific engine. I asked for any way to remove the adaptive cruise sensors, delete them, anything. All dealers refused to, saying it would not only be a liability for them to do, but they have no official means to do it and it would be very difficult. They will not respect the wishes of the registered owner or accept their business in that regard. You may be able to do it only through some under-the-radar arrangement with a really competent Paccar mechanic, which I found was a possibility... but ultimately we sold the truck during the national used truck shortage at a high price, brushed our hands off of it and moved on.
We went back to a 1993 379 for a time which was a real relief after that experience for a time, but ultimately couldn’t win well enough with that choice in the current fuel situation, and so have landed on a 2018 579 glider kit which is maybe the best situation we could have at the moment. But yeah, for me automatic; NEVER again, and adaptive cruise (which they tried to tell me all trucks will be required to have beyond a certain year) NEVER again. At least, not without option to disable.
Try pulling a loaded tank more offen when in city traffic the transmission doesn't know what gear to go into, when the surge hits it places you back in the lower gear.
I could understand that with some of the transmissions, but this 12 speed Paccar is super smooth. Try one out sometime.
OM MY GOD, YES. Espically going through Missouri Rolling hills. The surge beats the hell out of you constantly.
I couldn't imagine driving a tanker with this crap on 🙅♂️
Box drivers have no idea about a tanker.I drove a flat for 20 yrs,and a tanker is a whole different animal because of the flowing product
@@officervladimir1874 Doing it my self now...... Luckily, I never use cruise anyway.... Dangerous af!
Thank you for doing this video, very informative.
I had a rental cascadia while my truck was in for diff pump... It had this installed, and I loved it. My next ride will absolutely have it. The only issue I had was with passing.. the system would wait like a full second before it hit the gas, so I found it was better to disable cruse, start the pass, then reengage the cruse. You do this at the wheel, so it was great.
It's all about finding ways to work together with the systems instead of trying to fight them.
👍😉. I like your info videos like these.
Like You Said This is A Great Tool That Will Help All the way Around it Takes One of the Magaer Headache Away So You Can Concentrate On Other Parts Of the Job Great Idea Thanks Again. 👊👊🚛🚛🚛
@7:30 this guy is informative yet funny and I bet hes not even trying and that's what cracks me up....thank you sir for this video
That is a really pretty truck 😊 great job 👍
I’m not gonna lie when I was in training my trainer had the adaptive cruise control and it made driving easy since the truck did most of the work and I wasn’t easily fatigued BUT once I got my own truck that didn’t have adaptive cruise control I learned right away that I depended too much on a system to drive for me because my awareness was numb. Since I’ve driven for months without it I can say I’m a much better driver without relying on a computer system. The system is fine I still welcome it but my advice is if you’re new get a feel for the truck so you’re aware of how your trick handles in case the system goes down and you need manual operation in whatever condition you’re in.
I how can I Disable this system is beeping driving me crazy and it Break out of nowhere I own this truck please help me
I wish I knew that beeping shit drives me nuts
Pull the fuse ? Find where beep comes from see if you can unplug or cover speaker to muffle sound
The sounds on mine, I think is in the dash
It's programmed on the computer, only a technician with the program for your truck can bypass it. There are some knowledgeable guys in California. It doesn't have to be at the dealer but they may also be able to cancel it out as well.
@@saztecfiter hi im in SoCal. Do you know who can do this?
I've only had the system for less than a week and I'm to the point of quitting thanks to this system. I've had 3 instances that I've experienced that could have caused bad accidents. 2 instances included trash on the road. At 65mph no traffic ahead of me, the truck kicked out of cruise, slammed on the brakes and engaged the Jake brake. The third instance was when a car was pulled out just a little too far from a driveway, not in the lane but on the edge, again the truck slammed on the brakes and took me from 45mph to 20 in a big hurry. Next is the coasting. While the truck is climbing a hill at the crest, while it's still climbing to 65mph it will cut the power and engage the jakes. The cruise was set at 65mph, then at 60mph it cut the power and jaked down to 55mph then applied power again. Is I helping or hurting us in the real world of driving? Yes!! It has almost had me in 3 accidents and the week isn't over.
Absolutely, mine hammered the brakes at 40 mph in a thunderstorm
3:44 the 2021 Volvo I drive is very smooth too. I love how it turn on the exhaust brake to quickly slow the engine down between shift.
I'll get adaptive on a Volvo FH 500 in week. I'm exited.
It will also counter steer on roads with weird banking angles or if there's heavy side wind.
Neat stuff 😁
Thanks for the info, I love KW trucks, they are a beast 💪love it. And I like the cruise control -when they work properly. In the last year & 9 months, I have 3 different trucks all kw t680, in every single one I have problems with technology. And most of the time I have to bring it back -3 times- to the shop for the same thing.
Very disappointed on that side 😔 I don't get paid to be at the shop.
In my day cab 2019 680, I like the information it gives me, however in heavy city traffic the beeping drove me crazy, my shop turned the beeping off which is greater sanity for me, also I noticed the adaptive cruise tends to have me less aware of what’s going on around me, when the beeping went away I’m back to being more aware of my surroundings like the last 29 years. My engine is set on efficiency mode which is dead on the hills, if you got sizeable hills put it on the performance mode. Fuel mileage is up nicely. I still don’t care for the automatic trans, it leaves me hanging on hard turning uphill pullouts: example starts pulling out in 2nd it went to shift and it stopped went to 2nd again it stopped it got 3rd and it stopped a little bit before it got 4th. The scary part is I’m a sitting duck on a hill on a 55mph road which is a 2 lane. I had no problem like that with my manual and I flat shift been doing that for all my years till now
Totally makes sense in all of it. Thanks for the feedback Mike!
I have the same truck except it has the x15 engine. None of these systems replace a driver who is aware. My students rely too heavily on them.
This is one of those areas that where people take things too far. They are driver aids....not driver replacements. They need to be used to assist....not to replace. I agree with you in on it from this perspective.
@@KenworthofRichfield I train new drivers. And its difficult to get some of them to think for themselves and not rely heavily on the adaptive cruise system. Driving a truck is more mentally taxing than most people realize.
@@watchermgtow929 I 100% agree. It's tough to have the attention span for it and to constantly be analyzing situations.
The company that I'm leased to has this system on their trucks. Has an owner operator they asked if I wanted to try it out. I have been driving since 2006 with zero accidents. I told them if I start getting into accidents I will consider it, but I don't need a computer telling me how to drive. And please don't get me wrong, I'm not saying it's crap or anything. Seems like it would benefit some people. Just not me, not right now. Nice truck.
Makes sense Scott. In the same sense, what's difficult is that people often don't get the chance to "try" things like this. It's either an all or nothing deal. This is something that when people try it and learn how to work with it instead of against it, they usually love it. Just a though. :D
My experience was always a good one with that kind of system. Only thing I didn't like..... Is I would get behind a slow driver and it works so good I didn't notice I was going so much slower lol
All that system does is never allows the driver to use the cruise control because the constant influx of cars in front of the truck. And constantly beeps because if a car sees a space in front of a truck they will take it regardless of your speed or the amount of space your radar needs. It's the most stressful thing I have to deal with on the road making my blood pressure boil. And my truck being a Kenworth t680 that I OWN, Kenworth REFUSES to disable it. Never buy another one EVER........
Yeah, I have a question about my adaptive cruise radar fault keep popping up on the instrument panel. And I get a code one. I have a bendix system on a 2019 peterbilt. Short nose. At any given unpredictable unpredictable time the code fault will kick on . It happens on clear sunny days to bad to mild weather and even at night time driving as well. I for the most part barely use the cruise control. I check the menu on the bendix system located on the windshield and everything checks out ok. I also have near my right side front windshield attached bendix monitor with three lights of yellow blue n red with a speaker to alert beeps from time to time. I inspect my radar panel outside of my truck below the grill and it's clean n clear of any damage or debris. So what is the deal with this ongoing message. Final note it was taken to a peterbilt dealership to fix prior to this message approx. A month ago to work on this same problem. Days later same issue arises.
Try driving it in the snow. It will lock up the brakes on you without any car around causing you to go into a skid.
Never put something like that on a truck without an override switch.
Alerts are way too loud to the point of being painful, volume cannot be adjusted. It may be helpful as a training tool for newbies, but I have serious reservations about its larger implications. The experienced driver has learned a certain way to be safe without such bells and dingdongs, is trained to go into 'alert mode' himself when the truck beeps- engine overheating? oil pressure loss? air line busted and dumping pressure? Causes for adrenalin to rush as these are emergency situations. Now you have an excessive amount of alerts that raise a driver's stress level that are not really cause for concern because half the response is automated... desensitizing drivers to inputs from the truck.
The top safety issue in experienced drivers is complacency! This system trains a driver to be more complacent rather than in control and proactive. If you pay attention to what the automated stuff is doing, you just get pissed off why it is cutting your fuel at the bottom of a hill just because the vehicle 3 secs in front is slowing down as it climbs, you end up bogging down unnecessarily instead of staying on the fuel with the driver actually in control of the truck, changing lanes if needed.
Fuel economy- with 2.5m million miles on my back, I guarandamntee you, I will outperform adaptive cruise with auto trans if you put me in a truck with a 13 speed and no beeping system. It is a matter of good driver habits, traffic anticipation and deliberate action. These nanny systems take away all of that and force a driver to be a steering wheel holder rather than a real professional.
How often do you need to swap it out or know when you need a new one ? Or service it
I have adaptive cruise in my car and I love it! Once you get used to it you will never want to go back. It will be a deal breaker if my next new truck does not offer it.
@Truckin Shenanigans if it fails it will just fail. The truck will still run. Electronics are extremely resistant to vibration so I'm not too concerned. If it prevents one major accident it's more than worth a repair bill.
Until you get the constant “Adaptive Cruise Fault “ that no one can fix for more than 3 days .
@@rogerwillis6460 Sorry to hear that. I took delivery of my 22' 579 in April of 21' and just turned 100k with no problems so far. The system is not as good as what's in my Toyota but it still gets the job done. I hate the neutral option on the paccar auto. I keep it in manual mode to override it. It always wants to go into neutral just when it needs to start pulling the next hill and screws my momentum. So far I'm very pleased with the truck. The MPG is stupid good!
I drive a Kenworth with adaptive cruise and collision mitigation and while I won't deny its usefulness I will say that it is dangerous. Especially in adverse weather conditions whether it's raining or snowing or little icy out if anyone cut you off which they often do or if you're going around a curve and there was somebody slightly in front of you in the left or right lane the Collision mitigation kicked in and then locks up the brakes and then you don't have control
On my 680 the thing I like the cruise for most is heavy merge areas. When you need to merge on or off the highway and have to spend longer bits of time checking mirrors. If someone cuts you off or panics in front of you or decelerates without braking while you are using the mirror, that beep can bring your eyes back front in time to save yourself.
Definitely! That's exactly what it's meant to do. This is one of the best uses of this tool.
Seriously. You cannot merge while looking at your mirrors and out the front windshield... Sad and pathetic!
@@NOONE-rj1ug if I had no peripheral vision I wouldn't pass the med. This is just another tool. Gonna complain about ABS?
Not complaining just speaking the truth. An ABS system doesn't have any physical way to take control of your braking system until you apply the brakes as a driver. The Bendix does, read the manual and you will remove the sugar coating from your eyes. don't just watch the videos to learn and understand it. This is dangerous in combination heavy haul vehicles.
One other thing about it is the Cruise control is allowed to be closer without beeping than if the driver has control. If I use cruise and get close enough to get the beeping, and I put on cruise it stops beeping at the same distance indicating the engineers trust the cruise more than they trust the driver.
Having said all that I said in these two comments, I DO use cruise control constantly, I just wish the engineers were better at designing it and engaged with driver feedback so they can learn what's needed. Just like you can't legislate everything in the name of safety or equity, you can't hamper all the drivers for the mistakes of a few.
That thing almost made me crash one time on a curb when a car cut me off and the truck slam on the brakes
I have this on my company truck and it’s a pain in the ass because of how they have it setup. It’ll occasionally slam on brakes because of overpasses or sign shadows and the worst part is that it’ll think a car on the off ramp is still in front of me.
But I do love the following distance counter but that’s about it
Interesting and thanks for the feedback Thomas! How often does this happen to you?
Agreed. Do away with the emergency braking part and it's not that bad. Could do away with the ding on the following distance.
Kenworth of Richfield it happens a lot less now since the Lane Departure system on it was fix a month ago and I’ve started taking extra precautions, a lot more than normal, to avoid it getting mad at me
@@Thomas20Smith It's interesting as we drivers have to adapt and evolve a bit with the new technology also.....
@@KenworthofRichfield from what I've seen problems with incorrect braking are because of miscalibration or bad settings.
We have two trucks with the adaptive cruise, matching spec 2016 T-880s. And they are the only two that we are going to have it as while one has worked well, the other has been a nightmare. I don't know all the details as it is in our Boise location and the other truck which has ran well is at the Jerome location where I drive out of. I do know the assigned driver and the fleet manager are really not happy with the truck. The one we have has been pretty solid, so I joke that our truck was built on a Wednesday and theirs was built on payday Friday before a holiday.
I've put a few thousand on the T-880 we have and honestly I think it requires you to pay more attention. Because you have to switch lanes to pass much further back than normal or the system will speed match. And starting to pass another rig almost four seconds back, tends to annoy other motorists a lot. Idaho, Wyoming and Nevada have higher speed limits so you catch those 62-64 governed trucks in a hurry even at 70. Two lanes its kind of aggravating as it beeps and throws a fit when you get close to someone to pass them, like 93 between Twin Falls ID and Wells NV, a lot of house sized RVs with no guts to pull any of the hills.
I think the idea is good, but the technology needs to be a little more robust as trucks will shake anything not well built apart.
Most of what you said makes really good sense. In this, I think that the technology will get better with time. What's interesting is that we've all "driven too close" and gotten away with it for so long, that we don't realize what a good following distance is. Guilty of it myself. In the same sense, it sounds like you've done a good job adapting to it when you're driving it, which is huge. Those that don't adapt, will fail. Thanks for posting!
Adaptive cruise is fine until it picks up that random overhead sign on the interstate and puts the brakes on.
Also, automated manuals suck at maneuvering at low speeds when loaded (backing, starting from a stop while making a turn). Too lurchy in my experience. Great for stop and go traffic, however.
I can see that with some of the older transmissions Ben. Have you used a newer one?
@@KenworthofRichfield No, last one was a 2017 Freightliner Cascadia with DT12 automated manual transmission.
Soooo true but DT12's seems more refined in engaging at low speeds than the one found behind some Cummins application.
I just bought a volvo 2016 670vnl the sensor inside has no power for the passenger side sensor by the steps, it doesn't let me use cruis control, I use it to manage speed as a dummy proof to doing more, I have no idea where to look for the power supply to this, could you help me..
I HATED this system at first. But after getting used to it, l value it. It makes driving safer. It pays attention to the traffic when l may be distracted.
I like the info I get from the radar, how far away the car in front of me is and how fast it’s going. I HATE that it constantly beeps it doesn’t need to beep it could just put a light on the dash or something.
Or beep twice and done until you get a half second away
Totally makes sense. Louder radio maybe? haha
@@Lysdexis Could be an interesting approach to it also.
@@KenworthofRichfield being that it automatically adjust following distance based on speed meaning 3 seconds at 50 is closer than 3 seconds at 70. The beep being turned off for the 1 second warning below say 45. 2 beeps from there to 65.
I agree on the info from the radar other than following distance would be neat to see their speed and actual distance.
@@KenworthofRichfield Volvo's system actually mutes the radio and when it detects an imminent collision alerts over the truck speakers at murderously loud volume.
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I buy new t680,2021 I put moose bumpers about 7 months ago the thing give me problems when snow or rain my truck cruise stopped working and lot of lights on in the dash three fours times I take the dealership but same problem please tell me what I can do.
Thanks
I love the adaptive cruise control on my T680. Generally it works just as expected. There are those rare occasions, or a shadow from a bridge will make it think there’s a car right in front of me. And the cruise will abruptly turn off. But overall I love the system. I use it every single day. Unless it’s raining or snowing.
Nice Thom! A shadow won't cause the issue as it uses radar....so there's actually got to be an object there. On the older systems, it may pick up the bridge or a sign from it if it's shooting a bit high.
Kenworth of Richfield - Mine is a 2016 company issued truck. I wasn’t sure if it was the bridge or the shadow but it triggers it of the conditions are right. No biggie. Hopefully, when this truck is upgraded, that will go away.
Just another reason for my company to micro manage your driving. And automatically slamming on the brakes when unnecessary is making it more dangerous. I’m sure it’s not about safety but slowly refining the technology needed for automated trucks in a post-human world.
I think I would like this on my next truck. I deal with heavy traffic regularly from Pittsburgh area to DC and of course the back and forth to Richmond, VA 5 days a week my regular run. Traffic is heavy on I95.
It'd definitely be a help and let you run the cruise control a bit more....allowing you to focus on being a bit more proactive in other areas.
I like that feature its a safety tool to help the driver keep out of trouble does it work with a manual transmission
It does work with a manual trans also, yes.
Let drivers be drivers.
Agreed, but if you give a craftsman a new and improved tool, shouldn't a good craftsman be able to learn how to use it correctly?
@@KenworthofRichfield dry flat roads fine. How about snow and ice when it throws you into a slide? Or will that wonderful system just pick the truck up and straighten right out. We live in real conditions not in Oz. Just my opinion
I've been running this system for the last few years in my 2016 t680 ...at the very least you could give us a switch on the dashboard to be able to turn it off at will and go back to the regular system and regular Cruise...also have had several trucks where the cruise control shuts off in the rain... Still working on that one
There have been some updates that really help things with this. Have you been into a dealership recently on this?
I want to see a version that can handle winter driving as well. I mean, driving in snow you need a good throttle management system that watches the front for you so you can watch the sides and back more. But know that rain and snow there are zero systems for cruise control so far
All in all it's not bad. It has its flaws just like all new technology. It picks up traffic signs and can and has freaked out and slammed on the brakes because of it.
It has however made me more concious of my following distance. The maintaining distance with the cruise truly is so smooth you dont notice it.
The biggest complaints I have are the inability for it to know what's on the edge of the road in a corner (construction barrel, etc) and the beep when I'm speeding up to pass when someone merges onto the highway and is going slower. Those could have been settings that the company put in place. I'm not sure but those made me not a huge fan of what has the potential to be very good.
I've had it flash the warning on a bridge sign or something similar, but it never activated the brakes on one of these false alarms, just turned off the cruise.
Might want to have your calibration checked
@@hbomatt I believe it was company settings plus this was last year so I'm sure its had many updates and tweaks since then. I no longer drive for that company so who knows. When I do buy a new new truck it will probably have the system on it if i can set it up how i want it.
I've not had it do that to me, but a couple of monster tumbles weeds have made it beep and let off the throttle.
Another example of when it is working right it is a good thing. When it isn't working right it is a VERY bad thing.
It's a big problem is that when bugs start to cover that black square plastic radar sensor on the front of the truck, you could be driving along at 65 mph and then out of nowhere the computer will tell the truck to slam on its brakes. If you are not in the far right lane then you won't have enough time to move over to the shoulder before the truck is completely stopped in the middle of the freeway which is only a few seconds. I've heard many stories of this happening. Extremely dangerous situation. On top of that you're not allowed to. It has happened to me two times. Whistling Dixie the truck will just slam on his brakes because the radar plastic on the front has too many bugs splattered on it. Worse yet it happens in the winter time with snow and sludge. If a car pulls in front into your lane and it's too close your truck will not just tap the brakes a little bit but it will literally slam on the brakes which creates a potential accident behind you in the form of a rear end collision. Made for by Kenworth but I can say this is the most unsafe system. Get worn out and sensors stop working. Unfortunately the genius engineers that designed this stuff have no clue and designed it so that if there's a problem the truck will just slam on its brakes in the middle of the highway. The foolish designers are able to solve complex math equations and yet at the same time they lack wisdom and are dumber than rocks
How does it respond to motorcycles? I spent a day in an International LT with a similar system but it couldnt detect motorcycles if they were in the right groove.
I wonder if it could've been a calibration issue... I'm in a T680, and it detected a guy on a moped that was on the far right side of the road.
Saw a video explaining how small vehicles such as motorcycles are hard for these type of system to detect. Also, when going around turns the sensor points straight out so the car you’re following around a turn may drop off the sensor and the truck will ‘resume’ cruise control and increase in speed during the turn. System isn’t fool proof I guess.
I like my T 880. It is still a truck. Manual trans. Rear ends are a little tall 3:36 so when running 55 in Ohio pulling oversize. Needs a gear for 55. 10speed 55mph is 1100 rpm in tenth. Sweet spot is 12,1300 rpm. Aero dinamics Don't work so well for a 60000 lb 20 ft seacan on a 40 ft triaxle. I use Cruse control for one thing. High idle but not that often. Instead of coasting in cruise full Jake's should be automacicly on at 5 mph over set speed. Stage 1at 1mph over Stage 2 at 3 mph over Stage 3 at 5 mph over. I had that in a 98 ihc red top n14. 6.5 lifetime avg. My T880 gets around 6.2. avg. But I've only put 26000 miles on it since new in March. (Semi local Drayage work). My concerns about active cruise control is ghosts and 'snow load' jabbing the brakes on black ice. I've never used active "smart" truck. I like a dumb truck that does what I need. No questions. And yes I do miss a rotary phone rain on a tin roof and Johnny Carson.
Carson was the best....I agree. ...partially because I play drums also (as did he). THere are a number of different settings that can be changed to get things setup right for what you do.
Could you tell me if you have the parts or you can install Adaptive Cruise Control for Sprinter 2014
Unfortunately, we would not have a system for that Mike, :(
Does disabling it affect the engine?
16:00 Oh believe me, I notice when the truck slows down, no matter how smoothly or fluidly it does it.
My experience with it is sometimes truck goes on brake by itself even I don’t have any car in front of me. Or it show on my dashboard adaptative cruise fault so just don’t know what’s going on. Video is helpful thank you 🙏
Is this system able to be disabled at a dealer? I own my t680 and Hate it
Never again. The first time it locked the brakes up when a 4 wheeler cut me off on slippery roads made up my mind. I could see them continuing on their merry way while I bled out in twisted pile of burning scrap.
Cuz four wheelers are stupid andhave no common sense Don't give a shit about anybody but themselves shouldn't be on the truck side to begin with
As someone who has driven a truck with the wingman system on it I can honestly say its a danger not a helper. If it only warned you of issues ahead I would be all for it but because it actually wants to brake for you I call it nothing but another dangerous thing that doesn't need to be in a truck. Where I think its good is when your in fog or any type of low visibility situation when it can warn you of something in the road that you might not see. But the panic braking which im not sure if this truck has that or not but the one I drove had it is a very bad idea. Long story short if it was just a warning device that could be turned off or on and didn't have the ability to use the service brakes then I could be on board with it . But because of it having the ability to use the service brakes I don't want anything to do with these systems.
I just bought kenworth t680 Cummins engine but adaptive cruise fault on ? Any. Help please
I just bought 2017 t680 and cruise fault on
The system works ok in dry weather but when it get ugly and the temp goes down it doesn't work as it should it gets moisture behind it and starts going into faults and lites up the dashboard
Yes..
Any idea if it can be remove?
What are my experiences? I start following someone doing the speed limit. They pass someone doing 5 less than the speed limit. My truck now locks on and wants to do 5 less than the speed limit. I have to reset and set constantly. I might as well just have regular cruise control. After a few months the ACC went out. Dealership says it needs a new sensor that costs lots of $$$ and aren't available right now anyway. My experience- it sucks.
EVERY truck is nice when it's new, bobtail, perfect conditions.
Even being automatic. Its perfect... But once you have miles on it and a full load... If you hesitate on the accelerator, the transmission stops and you're stuck in the road when you wanted to get moving. Now if an accident happens. You're at fault for sitting in the road. All thanks to these great automatics!
In my experience, the adaptive cruise control is useful for heavy traffic. But I mostly not in heavy traffic, and it's following distance is so long, about 10 seconds, then it really interferes with passing. Worse than that, sometimes it applies emergency brakes because it's he's a bridge, or a speed limit sign, or sometimes nothing at all. I don't think it's safe to have an automated system that I can apply emergency brakes for no reason at all.
Of course the salesman is going to have a good review.....this system is deadly when it starts to malfunction...and it will
I love my kenworth. But, all trucks have a flaw, kenworth t60's major flaw is front suspension, the only truck that a crosswind will push the nose of the truck out of line instead of leaning the truck. Also I just got a 3 year old 10speed automatic it's been lugging out for so long that it chatters the bottom end (bearings crankshaft) is loose, and I can get better fuel mileage in a lower gear at higher rpms. PCC is great untill your stuck behind someone driving 10 mph below the speed limit trying to pass them while getting following time violations sent to your company, or when the radar sees an overpass and break checks you giving you whiplash, also I unplugged the radar unit lost my cruse control but gained an extra mile per gallon on fuel, same fuel savings effect on freightliner and the cruse control still works after accepting to use it with no radar.
I think the Adaptive Cruise is a good thing, but!. I can see it now, one day we will read where a driver got up out of his/her seat and went back into the sleeper for something. They will say, it was on cruise, I thought it would drive itself.
I just hope I'm not on that road when it happens. :D
I’m driving a rental and the radar beeping is working but the cruise doesn’t. The maintenance lady and I had words about this. The truck was parked for 3 days yet they didn’t fix the cruise. She got pissed because I sent a text talking about how she’s so tough on safety. Yet they would not fix the cruise control.
I like the adaptive cruise but I hate that it locks the brakes up going under overpasses. I had to rip the damn thing out before it caused a crash.
I just want to know how to disable the radar panel on the bumper..
You know i think that drivers will depend on this stuff to much.
You should post some of your good used trucks you have for sale
Hi Barry! I know that some drivers probably will, but those drivers would otherwise be more dangerous as they'll probably set the regular cruise control. The only way around it no matter what is constant vigilance.....no matter what driving aids are involved.
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Yes i agree 100% the old days are gone
I was trained by a o/o. But that was years ago.
@@bigb9061 Always be learning :D
@@KenworthofRichfield i am looking for a used w9ool. You have to be learning i guess when i retire i will know it all. Lol
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The cabovers I drove back in the day beat the living shit out of the driver and nobody could shift them without grinding the gears. If the adaptive cruise is similar to what my new Toyota has then its great, I love it. If they had trucks like this 33 years ago I would still be turning commercial wheels!
Got a 19 389 with that bendix system on the front and it locked up the brakes because a black plastic bag flew in front of the truck luckily no one was behind me and by the way it's an autoshift transmission still has a clutch the bendix sucks and in the winter when its covered with snow it don't work any way its good in heavy fog or rain other than that it sucks we had trucks jackknife in the winter reading a bridge going uphill and if you are in a standard transmission truck and you get cutoff and the truck locks up the brakes you will tear something up if since you wont be able to push the clutch in and you dont have a eld in the truck ticking down but new drivers reley to much on tfar crap and pay less attention to traffic and there surrounding and the transmission can be programmed to shift more aggressive and the truck going in idle coasting will lower oil pressure to the engine and the camshaft and rollers wont be lubricated correctly and if you have an issue with the truck going back under power on it's own you will burn up your brakes trying to stop since your Jake's ain't working any more
I really hate that mitigation system it has nearly put me in a spin out several times last year driving inner city Denver, another gripe I have for the t680 is why doesn't the engine brake work below 9th gear? I have to drive Loveland pass with a loaded tanker of fuel what is up with the stupid Jake brake? And why doesn't the truck hold my cruise control setting of 65 mph? The stupid thing drops clear down to 55 mph before it powers up again I find it's better just to leave the cruise off...
I think the only real use for this system is if you are running in low traffic- not something we usually encounter.
Great truck, great review. “Some people fought to keep the rotary phone!’ 😂🤣
The worst thing about this system is that it goes into "ECO" at about the time you crest a hill and the engine load is decreased. This is basically like throwing the transmission into neutral. We have had 4 driver's get hit in the rear on the interstate due to this feature. Yes, the other driver is definitely following too close for this to happen, however, that cannot be controlled on the roads today. It also does this as you pass another vehicle and the engine load decreases. And usually, if you are passing someone, there are more vehicles behind you trying to do the same thing, and when your truck hits "ECO" and falls flat on it's face and loses so much speed and momentum, you're going to get hit as well at some point! Don't get me wrong, I love the cruise control system, with the exception of the "ECO" feature.
THat's actually through a separate system and doesn't work in conjunction with the radar on the truck. It's more GPS oriented. :D
what does it do in bumper to bumper, stop and go traffic?
Not much.
Works great but you can realize that you are going several mph slower making less time to get to you destination on time
It makes it a beginners truck. I know how to keep a safe distance. I notice you don’t have a bumper guard on the truck. If you hit a deer or even something small, the sensor up front can easily get damaged and costly to repair.
In the winter, the sensor constantly gets covered with ice and snow and doesn’t work but every 30 seconds, you get the notification on your dash telling you that. That becomes an annoyance/distraction
I am now familiar with the system. I One a 2015, and it has this avoidance system on it. In light traffic over the road and all the white empty spaces, this is a very effective system for managing fuel efficiency, and reducing the attentive load on the driver. That being said, I can absolutely not stand the system. In the wide open spaces, it’s fine, however when it is placed in heavy city traffic, such as Los Angeles, Seattle, San Francisco, Chicago etc. this system rapidly becomes one of the absolute most audio bowl irritations in the truck. It’s constant and habitual beeping whether the cruise control is active or not is absolutely unnerving. I suspect, that the small speaker that is quite inconveniently buried up into the dash, will be having an accident and it’s very near future. The system is a sound idea. The audio warnings of the system however, should have a damn off switch for city traffic. Those are my thoughts, and my personal experiences with the system.
I'll be honest, was going to produce a huge list of names of heresay about this system, that would go back to 'the Beverly Hillbillies'... but than I realised how much time it was going to take lol
SO is this an option?? No? Is it an expensive add-on??
.... going to keep me safe and others around me (insurance discount? or not, still smart) ... save me on fuel... hmmm $$$
Loved how many times you emphasized that it's to help NOT take over... get that disclaimer out lol because we all know they are out there.
I am almost tempted to go visit you for my first truck purchase, lol almost.
yes getting off topic here, does KW not have a link on their site for one to build their truck and choose through all the colors and see what they'd be looking at owning before doing so? Spent some time the other day because wanted to find out what other colors the T680 can come in.
any ways buddy, always love your informative and light humor, to the facts videos... till next time HAMMERRRRR DOWWWWN those cockroaches ;)
Thanks man and unfortunately, there is no "build a truck" setup on the website. As far as colors go, we can honestly get any color that your heart desires....or at least close to it. :D
I'm sure you have incentive to sugarcoat it. In my opinion the wingman system from Bendix is dangerous and highly annoying. If you need a radar to keep you from rear ending cars on the freeway you should not be driving a truck.
I will admit it’s a big increase on safety. My complaint is it’s not good for the driver that makes his money by hustling. Pay by load, local, piece work, etc. In the city it’s congested and we would never get anywhere with this system because every idiot driver would cut the truck off only increasing distance and time which in the end will cost me a load. For our company the difference is, a $100 day or a $200 day. No one should make less than $50K a year no matter what you drive and most companies are now firing you after your third, “following to close,” alarm goes off. Local guys aren’t exactly falling asleep or distracted thanks to the hustle to make a decent paycheck.
I don't mind the cruise radar. I often use it to read the speed and distance of the people ahead of me to know if I need to get into the lane or not. If somebody's going to be an issue.
What I don't care for is the going to sleep to conserve fuel, while I'm in hills and mountains.
Now I'm an international ProStar 2020 with adaptive cruise. That's what I want to ask. Just give me regular Cruise control, not adaptive.
Thing falls asleep in the middle of cresting a hill, it doesn't wake up in the valley when I try to tap the gas it'll reset the speed to the current speed. So there's stupid programming but if they could fix that, then they're very helpful
I drive a 579 peterbilt and it has this cruise control system and I hate it when you're using it under a load and cars start jumping in front of you all it does is push you back and yes your right it'll slow down so smoothly that you don't even realize it until you start noticing that other trucks are passing you quickly that's when you look down at your gauges and notice your doing 60 on a 75 mph highway and the worst experience I had was while I was switching lanes a car jumped in the lane I was on cause he was ramping on and so I let off my throttle to try to give him some room and at the same time switch lanes I couldn't believe it as soon as I let off and started to switch the cruise control system my my truck hard brake while I was switching lanes now that was crazy so I would like to know how can I deactivate this system so I can have control of the distance there should be in between my truck and car in front of me and still be able to use cruise control????
There's no real way to disable it unfortunately. In this, the next best thing is to just hit cancel for a few seconds, take control, then hit resume and you'll be right back to where you were.
Locks up when you go under overpasses, around cloverleaf off ramps. On Iced covered roads having it automatically breaking for no reason putting the driver at risk for an accident. If this is going to be A part of the auto driving trucks I am in fear for the other motorist. I’ve bought a new truck and have disconnected the radar on the front of the truck for my safety. I do like all of the things that you’ve talked about but the system hasn’t been refined enough to take on icy roads or construction areas I would recommend that no one uses this during these times, Which makes me feel good that no robot trucks are going to be taking my job anytime too soon.
Today experienced brakes applying hard brakes in rain,snow and ice at 32 Fahrenheit,in the night. Scared the shit out of me.It just went nuts keep applying collision warning and braking. But I noticed that the warning comes up when going beyond 55,or 60mph.
I just love it when it bugs out and applies the brakes, especially when one brake is wet and it pulls the wheel. No more gradual braking, just slams them then the guy behind you rages out. Should be outlawed.
Can you please tell me how to disable that
Adaptive cruse if not vigilant to other vehicles entering the on ramp is a best problematic. I have adaptive cruse on my truck and you do get in a zone after an hour or less. Maybe a vehicle warning indicator coming up on your side so you can speed up or break???
How can I be safer I never take my foot off the accelerator because soon as I do it slows down
I would have to agree also that it does make driving more dangerous as it will break without warning sometimes when there is nothing in front of you when there are no Cars sometimes a dip in a hill. I also would prefer a switch that I can turn it off and on. I have a night driver where I almost never have vehicles in front of me and all this does is create problems that don't exist already. But I am also a trainer and students are quite unsafe and like to ride up on people in which case I love this system because I don't have to be nagging them all the time they just ask what the beeping is and I tell them they are too close. But the biggest change I would like to see is that it is comfortable following at 2 seconds and I have always been told a minimum of 6 seconds under good conditions. The radar though does not sense the vehicles more than 5 Seconds Away and it only changes speed at about 2 seconds which is already two or three times closer than I want to be I actually drive about 12 seconds behind vehicles that truck could blow up in front of me and I would be able to stop without shifting my load at all. I would not put one in my own truck if I was an owner operator but I definitely would want one in any training truck for students
A vehicle cut in front of me and that thing locked my brakes up and twisted the steering wheel to the left causing the truck to swerve into the left lane and side swiped a car. Luckily the damage was just scrapes in the paint job but it could've been a lot worse. Took it to the shop and they said they see nothing wrong. They also checked the whole steering unit and axles even brakes and found nothing wrong. Need to find a way to turn this thing off.
Adaptive cruise is by far the most dangerous thing they can put into a commercial vehicle. I have a 2017 and have never once had it mitigate a collision. I have had it slam on the breaks for over pass shadows light pole shadows cars well off the exit ramp sometimes 200ft plus .... for no reason randomly slamming on the breaks for shadows and the way cars follow to close its only a matter of time before someone rear ends ya with this system. Buy the truck without it. It is a hindrance not a benefit from experience.... if I could figure out how to disable it with the cruise still working I would .... if anyone knows please help before it causes an accident
On open interstate, I couldn't figure what the heck was happening on a rented, new Lincoln Navigator. I was tired but still, I understood the slowing but felt uncomfortable with the car automatically going back to cruise speed, then slowly as someone was merging on interstate. Guess I could get used to it, IDK? 🤔 a display explanation on dash would've been helpful IMO.
We just bought a Peterbilt 579. It's a 2019. It has this lane mitigation system. It does not allow him to put on his oversized signs and that's all he hauls is oversized. We need to figure out how to disable this crap that we don't want or need. He's not allowed to cut holes in the oversized signs to accommodate this system
Does anyone know how to disable it all together? We just had to order an owner's manual because it didn't come with one
PLEASE TELL ME HOW TO TURN OFF THE BEEPING PART OR TURN IT OFF
Unfortunately, there is no way to turn off the beeping. :(
Yes the peeping is the worst because I'm sorry when your driver gets irritated because it's still going off because another car gun pron you and then another and another and another a makes you just want to crash into everybody like go karts it's ridiculous and this is a very unsafe thing to put in a truck..
NOT A FAN OF THIS ANNOYING SOUND OR SYSTEM.👎
It still needs some improvements they still may go off when it sense overpasses and walls or railings in turns even some road signs and post, a little ridiculous at times
The systems are getting more reliable all of the time from what I'm finding though.
You big meatballs.. all you got to do is go to a shop that is cool, & ask them to turn adaptive cruise OFF in the Cummins Insite software. then you can put a Metal plate over the radar, and the collision mitigation system won’t work, no more beeping & hitting the brakes on you , & your cruise will work like normal. ABS too. I own a 2020 KW T680. You’re welcome