Not adding to the show Lan training Rand to become a Blademaster like he does in the books was a serious WTF-caliber mistake by the showrunner & his team.
@@DragonHeart613 Lan is going to train with Rand next season. Even so, at this point in the books Rand was not a blademaster by a longshot, and him beating Turok was pretty unbelievable.
Rand is Tav'eren, something that is beyond Rafe, and most the people who are watching this horse shit fan fiction. The pattern won't allow Rand to die. But Rand was training with and without Lan, a lot. So it's not really that unbelievable in the books. This is trash though.
@@JerryBreaker-tz4feMan, I just started reading the books. I'm on book two. I tried watching the first season and I couldn't get through it. What bothered me is them changing the Dragon reborn to be either a man or woman when I thought a man had to be it
@@Nepthu Nope, Lan's training + using the source, even tho is a stretch, made sense... Here nobody really taught him how to channel yet he does it flawlessly and kills all the soldiers and not the servant
@@sergiorosales8658 In the books he never touched the source in his duel with Turak though. He was losing and it wasn't really Lan's training either. He uses the Void technique taught to him by Tam. IIRC Rand also uses the Void in the first book during the trolloc attack at the Two Rivers.
I get that Rand is angry but this is troubling. A massive part of Wheel Of Time is the honour among characters. It leads to major payoffs up to the final book where key characters die in honourable duels with a sword instead of channelling with the power. Hell one of the best payoffs for the Great Hunt is Rand beating Ishamael by opening himself up to a killing blow while dealing the same to Ishy. Nevermind.
I feel like as much as being too lazy to choreograph another sword fight, they may have cut the fight because they realized they committed to those absolutely ridiculous nails. Then belatedly realized 'oh yeah there is no way the actor is going to be able to use a sword with those stupid things on his fingers.' Seriously where was the person in the creative process, whos moral obligation was to say 'No thats the stupidest thing ive ever heard.' To whoever said 'wouldn't it be cool if instead of two inch nails the high lords have 2ft long nails'
I like the nails BUT I think they should have been half the length they are, like in the books they were described as like… Cardi B nails, these are a tad much
I was worried they would have Rand defeat a blademaster after virtually no training, but I liked how they solved it in the old "Indiana Jones" way. We have seen people instinctively use the One Power before, so I'll accept it. I just hope they give Rand cooler moments next season.
I was so looking forward to this duel because it was my favorite part of The Great Hunt. The book gave us this epic fight where Rand could actually lose and he has to use his own skill along with intersting uses of the Saidin to win the fight. But here, in the finale of all places, we get this cheap Indiana Jones style cop out where all of the sudden Rand knows how to use the one power to expertly kill the big boss and his squad in one shot. Very disappointing.
How could Rand duel him when nobody trained him? Void and the flame scenes with Tam and Lan's training were cut from season 1. This was the only logical thing to do. Also, that duel in the books was great but totally unrealistic. One kid after 1-2 months of sporadic training kills a Seanchan blademaster. A little bit too much.
I'm a big fan of the books and I'm liking the tv series on the most part but I am disappointed on some of the changes. Like this one. Rand needs to fight with the sword more. Especially this scene. Rand defeating Turok makes him a blade master. That's a big part of the books. Rand being a badass with the sword.
He doesn’t have the ability to “not play around” in terms of his channeling capability. You WILL eventually get that, but it’s not until book 5 (an aptly named book, if you like “not playing around” magic…). This a was always the moment of him being a blademaster… not a channeler.
Do you know why rand uses a sword in an actual weapon instead of him using his abilities. The reason why is because the more he weaves the more crazy and the taint takes hold of him so ran only uses his abilities when he absolutely needs to to prevent his Madness. That's why every time he does use them in a major way during a battle he slips further and further into insanity. There's a cost every time he uses his abilities and that was the whole point of why he was trained by a blade master so he. Wouldn't have to rely on his abilities plus it would be foreshadowing for when he gets the most powerful amplifier ever conceived by the one power the sword that is not a sword
This scene was the one I was looking forward to the most. To change it after Turak said the exact line from the book is devastating. Rafe is definitely Nae blis in my eyes
Holy shit! Pure fan fiction! Anyone who likes this show either hated the books, never read the books, or are just plain stupid. The amount of things that Rafe gets wrong, on purpose I'm thinking, it's astounding. Robert Jordan is rolling in his grave.
@@hannibalburgers477 I think the second season alright, some of the changes i actually enjoy, mostly the depiction of Ishamael, to say it’s all bad would be being a lion too fanatical about the books,
@@seamusshamrock8964When adapting a work you must have respect for the original author, the work is not yours to do what you want, the original author spent time, money and health to make this story, the least that is expected is that the adaptation is respectful . See the difference between this useless rafe and brandom, when brandom took over the books he managed to leave his mark without destroying all the ideas and world-building that robert had, he respected the author and that's how it should be
@@mateussantana1291 destroy? I’m sorry are the books no longer available because the show is out? Has everything Jordan wrote been magically erased from the world’s memory by Amazon, I would understand this argument if the show was almost completely different from the books and the show runners just used the title and a few characters, but they didn’t yes it’s changed but it didn’t ruin the original story it just made the show lesser
Book Readers - "They've nerfed Rand so much in the show, this series sucks!" Also Book Readers - "I can't believe they had Rand use his powers instead of getting into a sword fight that almost kills him!" As someone who's read the books, book reader comments are so infuriating.
Its been a while, since i read the books, but if i remember correctly rand hadnt that much experience in swordfighting until this point and I found the fact, that he defeated a blademaster a bit unrealistic. So I actually think, that the show made that scene better.
I remember this moment from the books as one of the coolest and most exciting fights in all of fiction… This film portrayal however is totally pathetic in comparison.
Wow. That was some of the worst ADR line reads I've heard in awhile. Is there a competition between the writer's room and the actors to see who can produce a worse product than the other? This is shlock B-movie material.
Scenes like this and the over the top efforts to be inclusive regardless of the characters written in books. Is the reason I never got a subscription to watch this show. Disregards and adaptations unnecessarily just to be woke and inclusive very disappointing
What a terrible show. The sound quality of voices is on par with a bad sound studio dubbing, nothing that made the end of The Great Hunt good is in this, and those "nails" are absolute crap.
Loving all the boohoo comments because they didn't do the full fight. If they showed every major sword fight then the series would take many more episodes, & that will never be managed. There'll be plenty of opportunities to see his sword skills soon enough. Typical book fans want a page by page adaptation? Stupid.
Love the series. The only reason I know about WOT is because of this show. They’re introducing something that by all means could’ve been forgotten to a new generation. Grow up if you’re whining cause “they didn’t get the book right”. Be grateful to Rafe WOT is popular at all today.
The amount of Rand fight scenes that were not adapted in this show is criminal.
Not adding to the show Lan training Rand to become a Blademaster like he does in the books was a serious WTF-caliber mistake by the showrunner & his team.
@@DragonHeart613 agree, but he could train him in later seasons
@@DragonHeart613 Lan is going to train with Rand next season. Even so, at this point in the books Rand was not a blademaster by a longshot, and him beating Turok was pretty unbelievable.
Rand is Tav'eren, something that is beyond Rafe, and most the people who are watching this horse shit fan fiction. The pattern won't allow Rand to die. But Rand was training with and without Lan, a lot. So it's not really that unbelievable in the books. This is trash though.
@@JerryBreaker-tz4feMan, I just started reading the books. I'm on book two. I tried watching the first season and I couldn't get through it. What bothered me is them changing the Dragon reborn to be either a man or woman when I thought a man had to be it
I miss the duel, but I love this immense show of force.
Defeating Turak in a duel is what makes Rand a blademaster...
That moment was so satisfying in the book, here this is just anticlimactic, cheap and underwhelming
@@sergiorosales8658 I disagree. It was unrealistic in the books. After a few lessons from Lan, he's a Blade master?? Plot armor
@@Nepthu Nope, Lan's training + using the source, even tho is a stretch, made sense... Here nobody really taught him how to channel yet he does it flawlessly and kills all the soldiers and not the servant
@@sergiorosales8658 In the books he never touched the source in his duel with Turak though. He was losing and it wasn't really Lan's training either. He uses the Void technique taught to him by Tam. IIRC Rand also uses the Void in the first book during the trolloc attack at the Two Rivers.
Rand did not become a blade master because there was no witness in the book…. He talks about this with Nyneave in book 12.
This is the show's version of the Indiana Jones pistol scene.
I get that Rand is angry but this is troubling. A massive part of Wheel Of Time is the honour among characters. It leads to major payoffs up to the final book where key characters die in honourable duels with a sword instead of channelling with the power. Hell one of the best payoffs for the Great Hunt is Rand beating Ishamael by opening himself up to a killing blow while dealing the same to Ishy. Nevermind.
Have you not been paying attention to the show because all it is is troubling. Rafe has butchered this story adaptation.
@@robbieweiler8530Then don't watch it. Simple
I feel like as much as being too lazy to choreograph another sword fight, they may have cut the fight because they realized they committed to those absolutely ridiculous nails. Then belatedly realized 'oh yeah there is no way the actor is going to be able to use a sword with those stupid things on his fingers.' Seriously where was the person in the creative process, whos moral obligation was to say 'No thats the stupidest thing ive ever heard.' To whoever said 'wouldn't it be cool if instead of two inch nails the high lords have 2ft long nails'
I like the nails BUT I think they should have been half the length they are, like in the books they were described as like… Cardi B nails, these are a tad much
Turak: "Let's see how you earn the Heron Blade in yo land!"
Does unnecessary posing.
Rand: "Yeah, uh, no"
I was worried they would have Rand defeat a blademaster after virtually no training, but I liked how they solved it in the old "Indiana Jones" way. We have seen people instinctively use the One Power before, so I'll accept it. I just hope they give Rand cooler moments next season.
I was so looking forward to this duel because it was my favorite part of The Great Hunt. The book gave us this epic fight where Rand could actually lose and he has to use his own skill along with intersting uses of the Saidin to win the fight.
But here, in the finale of all places, we get this cheap Indiana Jones style cop out where all of the sudden Rand knows how to use the one power to expertly kill the big boss and his squad in one shot. Very disappointing.
How could Rand duel him when nobody trained him? Void and the flame scenes with Tam and Lan's training were cut from season 1. This was the only logical thing to do. Also, that duel in the books was great but totally unrealistic. One kid after 1-2 months of sporadic training kills a Seanchan blademaster. A little bit too much.
it doesn't even seem like rand did it on purpose. it almost seems like his emotions just boiled over and the one power responded.
The entire show is nothing but disappointment
@@Raethrean Not differnet from books since Rand was mostly casting on instinct before Asmodean started to teach him weaves.
@@mb2453and that was Rafe's and the rest of the writers choice... Literally they do everything they want and give us this shit
I love how well they captured that epic sword fight. /s
I'm a big fan of the books and I'm liking the tv series on the most part but I am disappointed on some of the changes. Like this one. Rand needs to fight with the sword more. Especially this scene. Rand defeating Turok makes him a blade master. That's a big part of the books. Rand being a badass with the sword.
Or, simply he's not playing around.
He doesn’t have the ability to “not play around” in terms of his channeling capability. You WILL eventually get that, but it’s not until book 5 (an aptly named book, if you like “not playing around” magic…). This a was always the moment of him being a blademaster… not a channeler.
I like how Rand seems shocked after he just killed these guys. Like "WTF! Is that what this weave is for?"
Do you know why rand uses a sword in an actual weapon instead of him using his abilities. The reason why is because the more he weaves the more crazy and the taint takes hold of him so ran only uses his abilities when he absolutely needs to to prevent his Madness. That's why every time he does use them in a major way during a battle he slips further and further into insanity. There's a cost every time he uses his abilities and that was the whole point of why he was trained by a blade master so he. Wouldn't have to rely on his abilities plus it would be foreshadowing for when he gets the most powerful amplifier ever conceived by the one power the sword that is not a sword
This scene was the one I was looking forward to the most. To change it after Turak said the exact line from the book is devastating. Rafe is definitely Nae blis in my eyes
By the light! You could be on to something
And they all kneel to Rand.
Was here for the sword
I like that he didn’t waste time with sword fighting
This is the same set as Game of Thrones where Daenerys frees the unsullied in Astapor!
You know in the book he actually fought the guy and beat him to earn that sword
Holy shit! Pure fan fiction! Anyone who likes this show either hated the books, never read the books, or are just plain stupid. The amount of things that Rafe gets wrong, on purpose I'm thinking, it's astounding. Robert Jordan is rolling in his grave.
This whole episode was so anti climactic, everything that was epic about the end of the great hunt was watered down
The whole show is anticlimactic, what are you implying
@@hannibalburgers477 I think the second season alright, some of the changes i actually enjoy, mostly the depiction of Ishamael, to say it’s all bad would be being a lion too fanatical about the books,
@@seamusshamrock8964When adapting a work you must have respect for the original author, the work is not yours to do what you want, the original author spent time, money and health to make this story, the least that is expected is that the adaptation is respectful . See the difference between this useless rafe and brandom, when brandom took over the books he managed to leave his mark without destroying all the ideas and world-building that robert had, he respected the author and that's how it should be
@@mateussantana1291 destroy? I’m sorry are the books no longer available because the show is out? Has everything Jordan wrote been magically erased from the world’s memory by Amazon, I would understand this argument if the show was almost completely different from the books and the show runners just used the title and a few characters, but they didn’t yes it’s changed but it didn’t ruin the original story it just made the show lesser
@@seamusshamrock8964 is exacly what they did, they distroyed the story, they do unnecessary changes
Wait, isn't this Astapor? xD
So is it Rand or Drogon? xD
Dracarys!
Book Readers - "They've nerfed Rand so much in the show, this series sucks!"
Also Book Readers - "I can't believe they had Rand use his powers instead of getting into a sword fight that almost kills him!"
As someone who's read the books, book reader comments are so infuriating.
As much as I wanted to see the duel from the book, I've gotta admit this was a pretty smart thing for Rand to do, and it was pretty cool too.
No no it's not you want to know why I rand actually fights in the book because the more you use the one power the less control he has over his sanity.
If they ruined this scene on purpose, what will they do to Dumai's Well?
I wrestled 6 men and nobody made a clip about me
@0:12 actor isn’t bad but shame script was
THe most stupid thing was the guy stabbing himself, it looks so fake. For everything else perfectly performed.
Love it. Rand is just like, "I don't have time for this," and just melts everyone. Different from the books, yes, but a welcome change in my eyes
Welcome my Dick, this fight is very important to the story rafe is unlesses
What a terrible decision by rafe
God damn it they butchered Rand soo hard that it's unpleasant to watch it
Wow, what a disappointment
Was the scene I was waiting for to see if season 2 was worth watching after the first one sucked... guess I know now
Everyone responsible for this travesty of a show is an art criminal.
Its been a while, since i read the books, but if i remember correctly rand hadnt that much experience in swordfighting until this point and I found the fact, that he defeated a blademaster a bit unrealistic. So I actually think, that the show made that scene better.
I remember this moment from the books as one of the coolest and most exciting fights in all of fiction… This film portrayal however is totally pathetic in comparison.
this scene is TRASHHHHHH such a lost opportunity
So damn lame
Wow. That was some of the worst ADR line reads I've heard in awhile. Is there a competition between the writer's room and the actors to see who can produce a worse product than the other? This is shlock B-movie material.
Rafe the showrunner doesn't want to tell stories about strong men.
Wow this show is lame
Scenes like this and the over the top efforts to be inclusive regardless of the characters written in books. Is the reason I never got a subscription to watch this show. Disregards and adaptations unnecessarily just to be woke and inclusive very disappointing
What a terrible show. The sound quality of voices is on par with a bad sound studio dubbing, nothing that made the end of The Great Hunt good is in this, and those "nails" are absolute crap.
This show is an abomination
Loving all the boohoo comments because they didn't do the full fight. If they showed every major sword fight then the series would take many more episodes, & that will never be managed. There'll be plenty of opportunities to see his sword skills soon enough.
Typical book fans want a page by page adaptation? Stupid.
Love the series. The only reason I know about WOT is because of this show. They’re introducing something that by all means could’ve been forgotten to a new generation. Grow up if you’re whining cause “they didn’t get the book right”. Be grateful to Rafe WOT is popular at all today.