I`m not surprised over Defender because it`s one of the best off road capable vehicle. But unfortunately I would never pick this car for a daily offroad adventure, even if in some situations it`s better than FJ or other similar SUVs. First of all - no frame, which will make a huge difference in a long distance. Of course for 10km of such offroad you won`t see any difference or sirious damage but after hundreds or tousands of km, that definitely won`t be a one piece car... Secondly - electric, I don`t trust it esepecially on difficult terrain. It can failure any time, without any worning, just because it`s what it is. Half a year ago watched a video on youtube where guys took a new Defender for a really serious offroad in Ukrainian mountains, and where driving it up the steep hill, but suddently the electronic switched off, which means you couldn`t even use the breaks and stop the vihicle, while it was falling down from the mid of the hill. Fortunately nothing bad happened but it could ended in much more worse way. Relaying on electronic just because it`s capable of doing something is too "stupid". When you drive a serious off road the main factor is not you capability but RELIABILITY. For me RR Defender is a cool electric toy, which you can take for some fun out of town showing off its offroad capabilities but not a car which I rely for a long distance journey where are no car repair services. With all my love to RR, it`s just a very unreliable expensive toy. I don`t look at it as a car, and all today`s electric cars are not made for people, because of "ecological" or other stupid reasons but because a group of managers from marketing in the end has better profits... Less reliable means sooner you will invest in repair or another one. When I buy a car I want to have a car, which I control in 100% but not a computer with 4 wheels and a seat for me, where are dozens of useless touch screens, where to change a simple thing you need to go to a menu, than sub-menu, next other sub-menu, while you could press just a simple buttome. And some one who saying it`s more convinient is just a lier for me. The same with electronic seats, cargo-door etc.... So many useless things, which increase the cost of the car and make it more breakable. Sorry fo such a long comment :D
I couldn't agree more. Personally I hate electric seats, tailgates and glossy screens. For me a 4x4 SUV is about off-road fun and utility. I cannot feel anything positive in a toy that is not trusty and very expensive to service and maintenance (proved by "LR Time" YT channel). Of course new Defender has brilliant 4x4 electronics, but it is for showing off only. Using it all the time you can overheat brakes and eat discs 'n' pads in hours - like in every car or SUV that has electronically controlled 4x4 system. This is why REAL mechanical locks are stil in use in off-road vehicles. Yes, LR freaks, FJ Cruiser has electronically controlled front diff called A-TRACS, but front lock is rarely used in off-road situations and rear one is mechanical. This is completely different idea than in Defender where all 4 wheels are "locked" by brakes all the time in off-road modes.
No, I have to disagree. The Defender has a lockable center and rear diff (optional) - which can both be set up in the preferences with quick links as personal preferences. Just because you can do more does not make it worse. And as far as reliability goes, things have changed dramatically at Land Rover in the last 15 years. We manufacture diagnostic equipment for Land Rovers and have a very good idea of reliability statistics. Land Rover's reputation is much worse than it deserves. And you CAN control and repair a modern car the same as you did with your 80 series Land Cruiser or whatever. You just need the appropriate tools. And torx bolts aside, that is basically one electronic tool to help you diagnose problems, one more tool than people carried in the 1950s. And this tool will even tell you what the problem is. In the 1950s, you had to understand how a car works before being able to do anything with it if it wasn't working perfectly.
@@Steve_MFr There's an old American saying. If you want to go somewhere in style take the RR, but if you want to make sure that you come back, take the Toyota".
The FJ cruiser is a beast , it’s a great 👍 SUV over all and let’s not forget the reliability of TOYOTA , thank u TOYOTA for making this amazing machine .
@@4WDisLife the Fj cruiser is still manufactured and continued to sale in the Middle East, I bought One, 7 months ago model 2022, and man I love it. Great content by the way 👍.
Should have compared the FJ with lockers and A-Trac. The FJ is a literal beast off road. I got turned around on an extremely rugged ATV trail once inadvertently with my FJ while pulling a small fiberglass travel trailer. That FJ didn’t skip a beat! She didn’t complain a bit! Fortunately the trailer had a high lift suspension.
I would say the fj did better considering that it didn't use lockers or atrac. The defender had the upper hand since it's ETC system is automatic. The proper comparison would naturally be with a Landcruiser of the same year. Cost and dependability are also big factors which weren't discussed.
I've had my FJ since 2008. I'll never get rid of it. The fact that a 15 plus year old design is compared to a new $65,000 vehicle is a testament to how good it still is. As an aside; I've NEVER come across a Defender off-roading. Not once. 😆
Defender is definitely a very nice vehicle. But I would pick the Toyota as a dependable vehicle to take my family. On another note with family I would pick a 4Runner over a FJ.
@@jgfishz1zz1 imo 4Runners are somewhere in the middle when in comes to offroad capability but insane reliability. At this point 5th gen 4runner, 2nd gen Tundra, 3rd gen Tacoma is the end of the line for me. I don't have faith in new generations.
I agree with you. And it has been so since Land Rover launched the first Freelander in the late nineties. I wonder why they (in this video) call it "an agressive system," it is just a very well made system that no other offroad manufacturer can come close. Or as you say "just immaculate."
@@sallhame Welp, I would take aggressive as a good thing as you would want the system to be very proactive in making sure traction is utilised to the best it can be.
To make it fair on the V-crossing and etc you should have turned on A-Track since the Defender would be in its off-road setting and change its traction control system accordingly, the FJ can’t select so if you want a “off-road traction control setting” then it would only make sense but to turn on A-Trac
I would like to see an Fj Cruiser with a long travel kit front and back with crawl control with its traction control engaged since you could buy and FJ and install all of that and still be below the price of a Defender. That's what I've done with my FJ, just about to regear it and put in a front locker as well
Reliability-wise, I’d go Toyota all the way…. The Defender must be pitted with the Land Cruiser series, even with just the Prado 4.0-litre V6 or even with its smaller displacement 2.8-litre turbo-diesel 1GD-FTV mated trim in such off-road scenario…. For longevity, reliability and performance, nothing beats the Toyota 🤩
I have a 2010 since new and I think the driving style of the guy in the FJ made it look like the FJ was having trouble. Also seems like the FJ tires were a little hard for the rocky terrain. I would have aired down to 18 psi for that, with all 4x4 you must keep your momentum when climbing lose rocky terrain, if you are constantly stopping and stabbing the throttle you are going to get wheel spin and struggle. Find the right gear and rpm and keep it moving.
Exactly! Hats off to another person with a brain and capable offroad experience. The defender is great for people that dont have a clue about cars reliability or offroading. Oh but its a defender theyve been around forerver.... so have ladas, or great walls, chinese garbage cars, they were one of the first mass produced vehicles LDV and saic in china, doesnt mean they are in anyway reliable or a good car. But meh id rather have more people buying shity landys than destorying fjs.
Great comparison. As an NPO we use old Defenders in the mountains of Lesotho. I love the new Defender but think Toyotas are great too. Thanks for the video and the great channel. From Durban, South Africa
Hi, the new defender does indeed come with the rear locker as an option. I hope u can show us one that's equipped with it in the future. Let's see how much of a difference it makes. Thanks 😊
The defender is a car for idiots that need a babysitter and teacher, the fj is a car for a man that knows how to control their vehicle. And more importantly wants a reliable workhorse.
The more Landrover add electronics assists the more problems it will encounter as it suffers in the reliability area. It just sends shivers down my spine once the Landy starts breaking down. I've owned both Landrovers and Landcruisers. I ended with 3, BJ40, FJ Cruiser and Landcruiser 200. Not that I don't like the Defender, but Toyotas just let me sleep better.
Do this same comparison with the same vehicles three years from now, and take note of how many times each vehicle has had to visit the dealership for non-maintenance issues in the time.
There is absolutely no chance i would choose the Defender over a FJ. Here in the outback where i live you would be lucky to see 1 land rover of any type per 500 other 4x4s and those 4x4s are 80% Toyota's. This tells us all something that Toyota's are the 4x4 king of 4x4s for many reasons most of all reliability. This is the reason we don't see any other make but Toyota bieng used by our large mines in Australia. There is no way your going to see a Defender on a mine. You will only see Toyota's. Because they allways work. Their reliability is a legend.
Technologically, Defender is much progressive than FJ and therefore it has gained the leading position. However, in terms of the reliability which is the vital component for selection of 4x4 trucks. I'd say that FJ is incompatible. Well, all depends on use of the car. I think this cars are in different categories. Defender has moved in to more of a SUV type car unlike of FJ, which I think shall be considered as rough Off roader. So, both of them are OK, but I would choose FJ for off real off roading and Defender for traveling with Family at slightly rough terrains. I am follower of the old school generation and I prefer less electronics and moving parts in the car. Since, I think as many moving parts you have as much chance to brake something as well as maintenance cost will kick up.
Lets be honest, your comparing an elderly disabled electric scooter vs an APC. One vehicle is designed for people who have difficulty buttoning their pants and wiping theirselves.... landrover. And the other is for people who are capable of learning and utilising a much more capable reliable machine... FJ. The Fj is for people who have a brain and know when and where diferent assistive aids are required if ever. Now if this guy driving the FJ utilised a good line, 4low and Atrac Automatic traction control or crawl control it would have managed the rolling rocks even better. Also if you go back along the landrover line youl see how many mechanical issues they have, the last gen FJ has none of those, not to mention that a service for an fj oil and filters can be done anywhere for under $100 simple 10w30 oil and air filter. The defender needs special oil, otherwise you risk destroying the expensive DPF filters. Ie several thousands of dollars to replace and the vehicle will not run if it has a fault. The fj isnt the same as that, so even if you soemhow think the defender did a better job, when one of those computer systems craps its self you are going to 100% require a tow to a mechanic. no ofs or buts about it. You need an electronic workshop for that vehicle. Ive never heard of a last gen 2010 on FJ letting anyone down thats been even backyard maintained. And that there in is another plus for the fj, you can diy. cant say the same with that defender.
fj cruiser tires are aired up too high, in the rock section lower psi would have given it much more capability, not using the tools your vehicle provide you properly. that is part of the benefit of larger offroad tires. plus the Elocker.
In south africa that defender costs a minimum of R1 600 000 . You can buy a FJ cruiser in SA for between R400k - R700k. Defender is insanely overpriced. Having owned a previous gen defender 110, and spending my life savings on having it repaired after it just randomly broke down mulitple times without even off roading it.... im now an extremely happy FJ cruiser owner 😅
Fun fact, Land Rover was the first production vehicle to implement an electronic traction control system for off road. The debut of the Range Rover P38 offered traction control for the rear axle only. Then in 1999 it was offered as a 4 wheel system in both the P38 and Discovery Series 2. Lexus responded with creating H-trac/A-trac systems afterwards.
It doesn't say if the FJ was using both the rear locker and the A-Trac system. A-Trac works like magic. And, let's point out that the FJ is at least 8 years old and maybe as old as 2007. Let's see how the LR holds up after 5 years of this kind of use. My 2010 FJ has 157,000 miles and at least 1/3rd of those miles are off-road. When going to remote off-road locations, being able to get back to pavement reliably is usually the most important part.
Land Rovers are great, until one of the MANY systems or parts of systems fail, then being in the Australian outback being unable to use 2nd hand parts as a replacement because they are not coded to the vehicle. So being left to one of two choices, having to pay to fly a Land Rover technician in to code the parts and repair the car or, having to pay to have the car towed thousands of kilometres. They look great but have lost their rugged utilitarian looks.
Land Rovers are cool and classy but i question their reliability unlike Toyota who i know has good reliablity. The few people I know that have Landrovers seem to have problems with them.
Not sure where can you tell that I am pro to the defender 😂. Just presenting basic facts. As a modern day luxury suv defender is surprisingly capable offroad can’t deny that.
my 2 cents. The Fj is a far better vehicle and you can do the same with a 2007 manual box (courter, of the price) These guys also dent know how to drive.
Rover can keep their stuff. One of the most unreliable brands on the market today, per Consumer Reports. I bet AAA doesn't work that trail in the video....
FJ did better. Why? It is cheaper. It is a 12 year old car. It is has less torque and power [in case defender is the v8 trim]. It didn’t use attraction control not even have a good one like defender. So FJ wins here.
If you want to go to the outback take a Toyota, if you want to not get stuck, take a Land Rover. I've recovered thousands of stuck Toyotas over the years and one Land Rover. Proof is in the pudding.
This idea of making things 'fair' by not using the full capability doesn't make any sense. If you compare the FJ to a 2wd sedan will you keep it in 2wd and turn off traction control?? You should test both cars at the best of their ability.
I probably would just use the 2wd and have the fj back up the hill to match the fwd sedan lol. We all know which one is a better Offroad vehicle in this case.
I think Defender's electronic diff lock engages automatically. Also, the tyres you've put on the FJ cruiser are not very good for the 'rolling rock hill climb', you need pizza cutters.
Lets be very real , a 2022 FJ cruiser , which is fitted with the crawl control from the 200 series land cruiser will and does kick this defender stock , this spec fj has been available in South Africa from 2015 . I drive a L322 Range Rover that kicks the current Defender off road and I dont trust it , because , like All land rover products , they are very unreliable , especially on their electronics . I would hate to be given an out of warrentee out of maintainance plan defender , it would be cheaper to put a match to it than fix it , Land Rovers are a money pit !
..So why are you keeping your RR? I drive a RR as well; Got it APRIL 2016 - 170 k on the clock and never missed a beat. It’s very close to being the best car I EVER had…
Fj in the mud was me a day ago. Damn traction control screwed me over. 2 wheel drive would have been fine but no traction control thought I should not be sliding at all.
The fj cruiser is only light duty 4x4 like a hilux or prado wich its based off or most duel cab utes it is not classed as a full size heavy 4x4 like its big brother the proper land cruiser be it a 40, 45,55 ,60, 70, 75, 80, 100, 200 or now the 300. the defender is meant to be in the full size 4x4 heavy class is it not ?. As previously it has always been compared to the true 4x4 heavys like the land cruiser and nissan patrol not the soft off roaders. dont get me wrong i love the fj as well as an fj40 owner i like the retro style but it is lacking unless modified as most modern 4x4s are.
@@Salsgarageadventures I am not hating - I am warning innocent by-standers of a grave mistake they may make by buying this thing. I spent 15+ years in the field as a Mechanical Breakdown Inspector, and I saw quite a few of them crying - literally - over their repair bills. There are plenty of poor quality "brands", and rover take an honorable top spot along with jag and some others. I understand you may feel less lonely if others join your ranks of losers...
@@VanIsleDisco yea I don’t know man. I am a Toyota fan but I don’t get all defensive when someone likes other brands. They all have their own pros and cons. Just being realistic.
@@4WDisLife I know. I'm just saying shots fired because people get bent out of shape about independent suspension. Just say the words and it stirs the pot and the Wrangler guys emerge from the foliage to defend the solid axles and insist that everyone needs front and rear solid axles for all of roading.
Whomever is driving the FJ is doing an awful job, especially with the hill climb. I'd have made it up first try in mine, which has both smaller tires and stock suspension. The driver does a horrible job of momentum conservation on the way up. Also a bad comparison because you're comparing an open diff, no TC FJ to a defender with everything turned on short of the lockers.
@@raghuramakrishnabezawada6120 I don't know what they are tested for but I do know that they don't last at all. BTW, my knowledge comes from the time when rover was owned by the Brits. I can only imagine the level of disaster when it's owned by indians...
It's SO funny that you decided to NOT use the FJs rear locker. You compare two vehicles that are years apart and limit the old one even more just to compete. Then you mention the Defender's better traction control system. You cannot compare two rifles and cut one's barrel to suit the shorter one. Useless video!!!
Defender has the worst articulation. Idk what Land Rover was thinking not making it body on frame and making it independent suspension front and rear. That’s not an off road vehicle. It’s not horrible off road but they def put off roading on the back burner and focused more on luxury and on road comfort which is a shame since the defender should come with off road chops with its past tradition defender name. But either way I’d never buy one lol. Way too expensive and horrible reliability ratings. I’d take a 4runner, fj cruiser, or land cruiser anyday over anything else.
You can buy 4 or 5 FJ's for the cost of a Defender and not using the rear locker is unfair as they all come with it standard. Sometimes you need to add the switch but its there. I'll take the FJ and the extra cash you save. TyT bought a new Defender and had to turn it back because of so many problems. Lemon Law.
I`m not surprised over Defender because it`s one of the best off road capable vehicle. But unfortunately I would never pick this car for a daily offroad adventure, even if in some situations it`s better than FJ or other similar SUVs. First of all - no frame, which will make a huge difference in a long distance. Of course for 10km of such offroad you won`t see any difference or sirious damage but after hundreds or tousands of km, that definitely won`t be a one piece car... Secondly - electric, I don`t trust it esepecially on difficult terrain. It can failure any time, without any worning, just because it`s what it is. Half a year ago watched a video on youtube where guys took a new Defender for a really serious offroad in Ukrainian mountains, and where driving it up the steep hill, but suddently the electronic switched off, which means you couldn`t even use the breaks and stop the vihicle, while it was falling down from the mid of the hill. Fortunately nothing bad happened but it could ended in much more worse way. Relaying on electronic just because it`s capable of doing something is too "stupid". When you drive a serious off road the main factor is not you capability but RELIABILITY. For me RR Defender is a cool electric toy, which you can take for some fun out of town showing off its offroad capabilities but not a car which I rely for a long distance journey where are no car repair services. With all my love to RR, it`s just a very unreliable expensive toy. I don`t look at it as a car, and all today`s electric cars are not made for people, because of "ecological" or other stupid reasons but because a group of managers from marketing in the end has better profits... Less reliable means sooner you will invest in repair or another one. When I buy a car I want to have a car, which I control in 100% but not a computer with 4 wheels and a seat for me, where are dozens of useless touch screens, where to change a simple thing you need to go to a menu, than sub-menu, next other sub-menu, while you could press just a simple buttome. And some one who saying it`s more convinient is just a lier for me. The same with electronic seats, cargo-door etc.... So many useless things, which increase the cost of the car and make it more breakable. Sorry fo such a long comment :D
You are completely right, the defender is a cool electronic toy, not a real durable and reliable car.
I have a fj cruiser and this thing never fails.
I couldn't agree more. Personally I hate electric seats, tailgates and glossy screens. For me a 4x4 SUV is about off-road fun and utility. I cannot feel anything positive in a toy that is not trusty and very expensive to service and maintenance (proved by "LR Time" YT channel). Of course new Defender has brilliant 4x4 electronics, but it is for showing off only. Using it all the time you can overheat brakes and eat discs 'n' pads in hours - like in every car or SUV that has electronically controlled 4x4 system. This is why REAL mechanical locks are stil in use in off-road vehicles. Yes, LR freaks, FJ Cruiser has electronically controlled front diff called A-TRACS, but front lock is rarely used in off-road situations and rear one is mechanical. This is completely different idea than in Defender where all 4 wheels are "locked" by brakes all the time in off-road modes.
@@mjl8115 I can't imagine how good it would be to have a trip to the country side on a typical offroad suv with the people whose company I enjoy.
No, I have to disagree. The Defender has a lockable center and rear diff (optional) - which can both be set up in the preferences with quick links as personal preferences. Just because you can do more does not make it worse.
And as far as reliability goes, things have changed dramatically at Land Rover in the last 15 years. We manufacture diagnostic equipment for Land Rovers and have a very good idea of reliability statistics. Land Rover's reputation is much worse than it deserves.
And you CAN control and repair a modern car the same as you did with your 80 series Land Cruiser or whatever. You just need the appropriate tools. And torx bolts aside, that is basically one electronic tool to help you diagnose problems, one more tool than people carried in the 1950s. And this tool will even tell you what the problem is. In the 1950s, you had to understand how a car works before being able to do anything with it if it wasn't working perfectly.
@@Steve_MFr There's an old American saying. If you want to go somewhere in style take the RR, but if you want to make sure that you come back, take the Toyota".
The FJ cruiser is a beast , it’s a great 👍 SUV over all and let’s not forget the reliability of TOYOTA , thank u TOYOTA for making this amazing machine .
only if they were still making Fj. I’d be all over it
@@4WDisLife the Fj cruiser is still manufactured and continued to sale in the Middle East,
I bought One, 7 months ago
model 2022, and man I love it.
Great content by the way 👍.
@@magician4444able must be nice! Thank you!
@@4WDisLife they are.. i have a 2022 philippines
I think I was too late to have money to afford one.
I'm capable of buying now but only 1000 FJ 2023 will be manufactured and I cant reserve anymore.
Should have compared the FJ with lockers and A-Trac. The FJ is a literal beast off road. I got turned around on an extremely rugged ATV trail once inadvertently with my FJ while pulling a small fiberglass travel trailer. That FJ didn’t skip a beat! She didn’t complain a bit! Fortunately the trailer had a high lift suspension.
FJ cruiser all the way baby. Cape Town South Africa ❤️
thanks for watching and commenting! Great to know where my audience is from
Absolutely. I love my FJ! Sydney Australia here.
I would say the fj did better considering that it didn't use lockers or atrac. The defender had the upper hand since it's ETC system is automatic. The proper comparison would naturally be with a Landcruiser of the same year. Cost and dependability are also big factors which weren't discussed.
And it's a 12 years old vehicle...
Yes. It’s 12 years old and and also cheaper.
I've had my FJ since 2008. I'll never get rid of it. The fact that a 15 plus year old design is compared to a new $65,000 vehicle is a testament to how good it still is. As an aside; I've NEVER come across a Defender off-roading. Not once. 😆
they are more rare for sure, but the electronic traction control system is definitely one of the best in the business.
Defender is definitely a very nice vehicle. But I would pick the Toyota as a dependable vehicle to take my family. On another note with family I would pick a 4Runner over a FJ.
Yea. That’s why I picked my tundra haha
I've heard the modern 4runners are just about the best off-road vehicle you can get
@@jgfishz1zz1 imo 4Runners are somewhere in the middle when in comes to offroad capability but insane reliability. At this point 5th gen 4runner, 2nd gen Tundra, 3rd gen Tacoma is the end of the line for me. I don't have faith in new generations.
Land Rover's Terrain Response System is just immaculate.
it is!
I agree with you. And it has been so since Land Rover launched the first Freelander in the late nineties. I wonder why they (in this video) call it "an agressive system," it is just a very well made system that no other offroad manufacturer can come close. Or as you say "just immaculate."
@@sallhame Welp, I would take aggressive as a good thing as you would want the system to be very proactive in making sure traction is utilised to the best it can be.
there is no use of off road capability without durability, FJ 👍🏼
The FJ Cruiser is my choice.
It is a solid vehicle for sure
To make it fair on the V-crossing and etc you should have turned on A-Track since the Defender would be in its off-road setting and change its traction control system accordingly, the FJ can’t select so if you want a “off-road traction control setting” then it would only make sense but to turn on A-Trac
Exactly, both cars should be tested at the best of their abilities.
Thank you!! Yeah that made no sense at ll.
I would like to see an Fj Cruiser with a long travel kit front and back with crawl control with its traction control engaged since you could buy and FJ and install all of that and still be below the price of a Defender. That's what I've done with my FJ, just about to regear it and put in a front locker as well
U are in luck, if you check out my previous videos, there was one where tundra vs Fj. And it showed the Long travel fully locked Fj on 35s
Fj cruiser is the grandfather of all the cruisers
Yep
Reliability-wise, I’d go Toyota all the way….
The Defender must be pitted with the Land Cruiser series, even with just the Prado 4.0-litre V6 or even with its smaller displacement 2.8-litre turbo-diesel 1GD-FTV mated trim in such off-road scenario….
For longevity, reliability and performance, nothing beats the Toyota 🤩
well said
I have a 2010 since new and I think the driving style of the guy in the FJ made it look like the FJ was having trouble. Also seems like the FJ tires were a little hard for the rocky terrain. I would have aired down to 18 psi for that, with all 4x4 you must keep your momentum when climbing lose rocky terrain, if you are constantly stopping and stabbing the throttle you are going to get wheel spin and struggle. Find the right gear and rpm and keep it moving.
Exactly! Hats off to another person with a brain and capable offroad experience. The defender is great for people that dont have a clue about cars reliability or offroading. Oh but its a defender theyve been around forerver.... so have ladas, or great walls, chinese garbage cars, they were one of the first mass produced vehicles LDV and saic in china, doesnt mean they are in anyway reliable or a good car. But meh id rather have more people buying shity landys than destorying fjs.
@fhhsvnggbh thank you for your comment and sharing of knowledge!
Driving skills was also an issue.
Love my fj.
I do love one too
One simple word for FJ Cruiser, RELIABILITY. For an offroader it could literally mean life and death.
Agree
Fj es superior en motor y calidad
FJ Cruiser will keep climbing for decades to come long after rover finds its end in the middle of a junkyard after NUMEROUS repairs.
Great comparison. As an NPO we use old Defenders in the mountains of Lesotho. I love the new Defender but think Toyotas are great too. Thanks for the video and the great channel. From Durban, South Africa
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@@4WDisLife I have subscribed 😁
@@OneHeartMission really appreciate it man.
Hi, the new defender does indeed come with the rear locker as an option. I hope u can show us one that's equipped with it in the future. Let's see how much of a difference it makes. Thanks 😊
I will see if I can get one
The defender is a car for idiots that need a babysitter and teacher, the fj is a car for a man that knows how to control their vehicle. And more importantly wants a reliable workhorse.
The more Landrover add electronics assists the more problems it will encounter as it suffers in the reliability area. It just sends shivers down my spine once the Landy starts breaking down. I've owned both Landrovers and Landcruisers. I ended with 3, BJ40, FJ Cruiser and Landcruiser 200. Not that I don't like the Defender, but Toyotas just let me sleep better.
Can’t even compare to the FJ💯
Let’s get this channel to a million subs Period.
I’d be very much appreciating that! Blessings
@@4WDisLife heck yeah man, and I’ll keep saying it !
Do this same comparison with the same vehicles three years from now, and take note of how many times each vehicle has had to visit the dealership for non-maintenance issues in the time.
There is absolutely no chance i would choose the Defender over a FJ. Here in the outback where i live you would be lucky to see 1 land rover of any type per 500 other 4x4s and those 4x4s are 80% Toyota's. This tells us all something that Toyota's are the 4x4 king of 4x4s for many reasons most of all reliability.
This is the reason we don't see any other make but Toyota bieng used by our large mines in Australia. There is no way your going to see a Defender on a mine. You will only see Toyota's. Because they allways work. Their reliability is a legend.
Technologically, Defender is much progressive than FJ and therefore it has gained the leading position. However, in terms of the reliability which is the vital component for selection of 4x4 trucks. I'd say that FJ is incompatible. Well, all depends on use of the car. I think this cars are in different categories. Defender has moved in to more of a SUV type car unlike of FJ, which I think shall be considered as rough Off roader. So, both of them are OK, but I would choose FJ for off real off roading and Defender for traveling with Family at slightly rough terrains. I am follower of the old school generation and I prefer less electronics and moving parts in the car. Since, I think as many moving parts you have as much chance to brake something as well as maintenance cost will kick up.
Lets be honest, your comparing an elderly disabled electric scooter vs an APC.
One vehicle is designed for people who have difficulty buttoning their pants and wiping theirselves.... landrover. And the other is for people who are capable of learning and utilising a much more capable reliable machine... FJ. The Fj is for people who have a brain and know when and where diferent assistive aids are required if ever.
Now if this guy driving the FJ utilised a good line, 4low and Atrac Automatic traction control or crawl control it would have managed the rolling rocks even better.
Also if you go back along the landrover line youl see how many mechanical issues they have, the last gen FJ has none of those, not to mention that a service for an fj oil and filters can be done anywhere for under $100 simple 10w30 oil and air filter. The defender needs special oil, otherwise you risk destroying the expensive DPF filters. Ie several thousands of dollars to replace and the vehicle will not run if it has a fault.
The fj isnt the same as that, so even if you soemhow think the defender did a better job, when one of those computer systems craps its self you are going to 100% require a tow to a mechanic. no ofs or buts about it. You need an electronic workshop for that vehicle. Ive never heard of a last gen 2010 on FJ letting anyone down thats been even backyard maintained. And that there in is another plus for the fj, you can diy. cant say the same with that defender.
Well said.
Couldn't have said better myself!
Doesn't the Defender have diff locker option? I know you can get an aftermarket but pretty sure you can order it from the factory. Good video🤙🏻
Thank you for pointing that out yes it is a factory option, however the vehicle tested here didn’t have that
fj cruiser tires are aired up too high, in the rock section lower psi would have given it much more capability, not using the tools your vehicle provide you properly. that is part of the benefit of larger offroad tires. plus the Elocker.
Actually, Fj was aired down to 18-20psi. Where Land Rover was around 25psu
Price of defender goes down. Price of the JF keeps going up.
Defender is a solid daily driver.
Ineos Grenadier for long-range touring and offloading.
If you want to go off-roading, choose a Land Rover. If you want to come back, choose a Toyota.
Well said.
In south africa that defender costs a minimum of R1 600 000 . You can buy a FJ cruiser in SA for between R400k - R700k. Defender is insanely overpriced.
Having owned a previous gen defender 110, and spending my life savings on having it repaired after it just randomly broke down mulitple times without even off roading it.... im now an extremely happy FJ cruiser owner 😅
Fj cruiser all day every day.
They are great vehicles
Great content. What's the name of the trail?
Defender is using an 'ATRAC' equivalent? Seems to work well
Yea there traction control is aggressive
Fun fact, Land Rover was the first production vehicle to implement an electronic traction control system for off road. The debut of the Range Rover P38 offered traction control for the rear axle only. Then in 1999 it was offered as a 4 wheel system in both the P38 and Discovery Series 2. Lexus responded with creating H-trac/A-trac systems afterwards.
great video！
Thanks for the comment!
Compare the prices too 😂
fj is also ver much over priced in todays market. Haha
FJ cruiser did better, the problem was the driver that don't know how to drive it
sure. Its always the case. And also It’s always easy said than done.
It doesn't say if the FJ was using both the rear locker and the A-Trac system. A-Trac works like magic. And, let's point out that the FJ is at least 8 years old and maybe as old as 2007. Let's see how the LR holds up after 5 years of this kind of use. My 2010 FJ has 157,000 miles and at least 1/3rd of those miles are off-road. When going to remote off-road locations, being able to get back to pavement reliably is usually the most important part.
No rear locker but atrac yes.
Land Rovers are great, until one of the MANY systems or parts of systems fail, then being in the Australian outback being unable to use 2nd hand parts as a replacement because they are not coded to the vehicle. So being left to one of two choices, having to pay to fly a Land Rover technician in to code the parts and repair the car or, having to pay to have the car towed thousands of kilometres. They look great but have lost their rugged utilitarian looks.
Land Rovers are cool and classy but i question their reliability unlike Toyota who i know has good reliablity. The few people I know that have Landrovers seem to have problems with them.
With no features compare to defender
The #1 mod you can do is the driver mod.
Land Rover did great !
It did extremely well in terms of meeting expectations and exceeded
Defender is the real king of SUV 😊
You can tell the narrator is very pro for the defender.... not to mention one is a $70,000 vehicle and the other a 35,000
Not sure where can you tell that I am pro to the defender 😂. Just presenting basic facts. As a modern day luxury suv defender is surprisingly capable offroad can’t deny that.
my 2 cents. The Fj is a far better vehicle and you can do the same with a 2007 manual box (courter, of the price) These guys also dent know how to drive.
I am sure you are a professional Offroad driver and take pride in telling people they are not.
@@4WDisLife yes i do
guess you like to talk shit to people that actually knows what they are talking about.
The FJ has much more rubber than the Defender. The sidewall makes a huge difference.
Yes. For sure.
Drivers make a huge difference
Turn the locker on, it is like boxing with one guys arm tied behind his back!
No wlistthe porice of both. The defender is over 100 grand and hopefully more dependable than its other Landrovers.
Rover can keep their stuff. One of the most unreliable brands on the market today, per Consumer Reports. I bet AAA doesn't work that trail in the video....
Lol
Is it a comparison or a Landover advert?
It is whatever you make of it
I'll go for the defender - top job for a stock vehicle - at the stones even better as the Toyo
The new defender definitely surprised me
Defender did way better. The fj seemed to use speed/momentum for the first and last obstacles. Regardless of reliability, the fj did real bad here.
a-trac not activated during the climb so not really a good comparison since the defender is using its 4x4 arsenal
FJ did better. Why? It is cheaper. It is a 12 year old car. It is has less torque and power [in case defender is the v8 trim]. It didn’t use attraction control not even have a good one like defender. So FJ wins here.
If you want to go to the outback take a Toyota, if you want to not get stuck, take a Land Rover. I've recovered thousands of stuck Toyotas over the years and one Land Rover. Proof is in the pudding.
This idea of making things 'fair' by not using the full capability doesn't make any sense. If you compare the FJ to a 2wd sedan will you keep it in 2wd and turn off traction control??
You should test both cars at the best of their ability.
I probably would just use the 2wd and have the fj back up the hill to match the fwd sedan lol. We all know which one is a better Offroad vehicle in this case.
I think Defender's electronic diff lock engages automatically. Also, the tyres you've put on the FJ cruiser are not very good for the 'rolling rock hill climb', you need pizza cutters.
FJ CRUISER IS KING
Old but king
Lets be very real , a 2022 FJ cruiser , which is fitted with the crawl control from the 200 series land cruiser will and does kick this defender stock , this spec fj has been available in South Africa from 2015 . I drive a L322 Range Rover that kicks the current Defender off road and I dont trust it , because , like All land rover products , they are very unreliable , especially on their electronics . I would hate to be given an out of warrentee out of maintainance plan defender , it would be cheaper to put a match to it than fix it , Land Rovers are a money pit !
..So why are you keeping your RR? I drive a RR as well; Got it APRIL 2016 - 170 k on the clock and never missed a beat. It’s very close to being the best car I EVER had…
Fj in the mud was me a day ago. Damn traction control screwed me over. 2 wheel drive would have been fine but no traction control thought I should not be sliding at all.
The fj cruiser is only light duty 4x4 like a hilux or prado wich its based off or most duel cab utes it is not classed as a full size heavy 4x4 like its big brother the proper land cruiser be it a 40, 45,55 ,60, 70, 75, 80, 100, 200 or now the 300. the defender is meant to be in the full size 4x4 heavy class is it not ?. As previously it has always been compared to the true 4x4 heavys like the land cruiser and nissan patrol not the soft off roaders. dont get me wrong i love the fj as well as an fj40 owner i like the retro style but it is lacking unless modified as most modern 4x4s are.
Not a fair challenge with these stock tires, give the defender those tires and see the capabilities
defender does have ko2s which is equivalent to what Fj had, only difference is the tire size and defender can't fit a much larger size over stock.
Land Rover Defender is sophiscated than FJ Cruiser. But not as practical as FJ
Agreed
I love the fj cruiser but not as much as I love my new defender! Simple mods with less than $200 lets you put on 35s. Game changer.
Your love will be short lived when you see your regular repair bills...
@@nofyfb123 stay hating.
@@Salsgarageadventures I am not hating - I am warning innocent by-standers of a grave mistake they may make by buying this thing. I spent 15+ years in the field as a Mechanical Breakdown Inspector, and I saw quite a few of them crying - literally - over their repair bills. There are plenty of poor quality "brands", and rover take an honorable top spot along with jag and some others. I understand you may feel less lonely if others join your ranks of losers...
I wouldn't say no to the Defender but come talk to me when one breaks 200k miles.. if both had Diesel options they both would be monsters
Long term reliability wise Toyota has a higher chance of being good but it also has a lot to do with the maintenance and care the owner gives right?
The Defender, did it with less effort and wasn’t as modified as the fj
The fj cruiser struggled because unlike the land Rover, it's tyre pressure was too high
quite contrary, Fj was around 18psi and defender was 35psi
You aren't kidding anybody. You totally biased this completion towards this POS Rover from the start.
@@jasperbumgart1891 biased? I don’t think there was any, just pointing out I was impressed by the rover being stock.
@@jasperbumgart1891 Toyota fan is hurt. TRIGGERED!
@@VanIsleDisco yea I don’t know man. I am a Toyota fan but I don’t get all defensive when someone likes other brands. They all have their own pros and cons. Just being realistic.
Shots fired ! Lol.
I try to be neutral
@@4WDisLife I know. I'm just saying shots fired because people get bent out of shape about independent suspension. Just say the words and it stirs the pot and the Wrangler guys emerge from the foliage to defend the solid axles and insist that everyone needs front and rear solid axles for all of roading.
Fj cruiser vs hammer h2❤❤
Whomever is driving the FJ is doing an awful job, especially with the hill climb. I'd have made it up first try in mine, which has both smaller tires and stock suspension. The driver does a horrible job of momentum conservation on the way up. Also a bad comparison because you're comparing an open diff, no TC FJ to a defender with everything turned on short of the lockers.
I wouldn't want to bet how the land rover is going to hold up after several off-road excursions.
I think you maybe right.
@@4WDisLife
Aren't defenders tested for 100k miles for reliability, what's all this cra
@@raghuramakrishnabezawada6120 I don't know what they are tested for but I do know that they don't last at all. BTW, my knowledge comes from the time when rover was owned by the Brits. I can only imagine the level of disaster when it's owned by indians...
Land rover got owned
seemed pretty equal to me
Fj too much air on tires 🛞
Aired down to 18psi already
It's SO funny that you decided to NOT use the FJs rear locker. You compare two vehicles that are years apart and limit the old one even more just to compete. Then you mention the Defender's better traction control system. You cannot compare two rifles and cut one's barrel to suit the shorter one. Useless video!!!
Both suvs are capable but you'll be more proud using a defender than any toyota. Most people praises defender a lot more than any toyota.
Just curious proud as it’s more expensive or is there some other factors?
@@4WDisLife Overall quality.
@@multicons 💀
@@multicons You forgot the LOL part at the end.
@@nofyfb123 I didn't.
stupid comparison!, the real comparison is Land Rover Defender vs Toyota LandCruiser 70 Series with difflock....
Can’t wait to see you do that. Will definitely watch. Cheers.
Defender has the worst articulation. Idk what Land Rover was thinking not making it body on frame and making it independent suspension front and rear. That’s not an off road vehicle. It’s not horrible off road but they def put off roading on the back burner and focused more on luxury and on road comfort which is a shame since the defender should come with off road chops with its past tradition defender name. But either way I’d never buy one lol. Way too expensive and horrible reliability ratings. I’d take a 4runner, fj cruiser, or land cruiser anyday over anything else.
For as on road oriented as the defender is, it is a very good “off-roader”. ;)
Route also more difficult for fj after defender went first and dug holes on the route!
Landrover will see less offroad trails because it will spend more time in a shop
Land Rover defender
Nice vehicles
Now repeat this in a standard FJ ie. no lift.
Haha.
It may or may not handle all those rocks but at least you'll have a chance for multiple attempts. Unlike rover that will likely break down.
Now Toyota is beaten by LR
Lol
You can buy 4 or 5 FJ's for the cost of a Defender and not using the rear locker is unfair as they all come with it standard. Sometimes you need to add the switch but its there. I'll take the FJ and the extra cash you save. TyT bought a new Defender and had to turn it back because of so many problems. Lemon Law.
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