Open Bar #91 - The Fallout of Civil War, Lucasfilm Strikes Out, The War for Warhammer
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- Опубліковано 20 кві 2024
- Join MauLer, Nerdrotic, Reaper, Outcasts Creative and yours truly as we review the two big releases this week - Fallout and Civil War. Plus the ongoing battle to keep Warhammer safe from The Message. And the hilarious news that Lucasfilm STILL hasn't made back their purchase price for Disney.
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Civil War: Open Bar Fallout
Fallout: Open Bar Civil War would have been more entertaining.
I’m surprised the others were surprised at Mauler criticism. That’s literally his thing.
I watched an episode last night. I found it very unrealistic how many weak ppl and effeminate men were still alive. Even in the vault you wouldn't find that.
It's like a group of Hydrophobic people joining a swimming Club.
1) First complain about gatekeeping when there are no restrictions on entering.
1.5) Accuse members of being ists and phobes.
2) Get in and get rid of what you don't like - The Water.
3) All the original members leave because they can't swim.
4) It's now only a swimming club in name.
great analogy
I mean there is some gatekeeping but to the honor of the fellows on this stream we didn’t see it in this spot
@@andrewmoluf4299gatekeeping is not inherently a bad thing. It's the immune system of a hobby, and like a real immune system it can run rampant but when it runs normally it's keeping the hobby safe.
Those who are genuinely interested in the hobby are not rejected.
@@mcbane2048 It's a copy pasta that hes paraphrasing. This idea has been around for awhile now. Saw a meme of it in the freeMTG subreddit last year.
The only time I can accept someone being nonchalant and casual about being turned into a ghoul is in Fallout 3 if you decide to detonate the nuke in Megaton. Moira Brown, the cute tinkerer/shopkeeper who wrote the Wasteland Survival Guide (With your help), survives the explosion and gets ghoulified as a result. Being a quirky science-lover, she finds the idea of being a ghoul fascinating, due to her newfound radiation immunity opening more doors for her research.
A BoS soldier being turned into a ghoul? He should be mortified and suffering an epic existential crisis!
Hancock seemed blasé about it.
Though we only see him years after, so maybe he'd simply come to terms with it and was fudging his past.
The thing about Moira though is she's also portrayed as kind of an airhead, her reactions to things are dopey. And Hancock could he argued used drugs to disconnect himself from caring about being a Ghoul
BoS don't have a KoS policy with ghouls, and they are generally treated as just stinkier people in fallout. So while it can be physically painful with how ghoulfication works, by the time of FONV its really not a big deal in universe.
@@reshypoo9447 Pretty sure he deliberately turned himself into a ghoul as a stance against his brother (McDonough, the mayor of Diamond City) kicking out ghouls, also man is baked is hell
The BoS soldier is arguably just as autistic & quirky as Moira, though. I say this as an autistic person, lol.
On Warhammer, Heath Ledger’s Joker comes to mind: “It’s not about money, it’s about sending a message” 😢
Andtheir doing exact what he did, burning a mountain of money.
It's about sending _The Message_
Everything burns 🔥🥵
But seriously, this happened to "Abolition of Slavery" Pathfinder and "Wheelchair accessible dungeon" D&D.
It's really depressing that what used to be a diversity of wonderful and cool storytelling turned into uniformed virtue signaling; thanks to ESG score benefits and insecure old people trying to be relevant with the worst yet loudest modern trend.
@@traiforse5777 It's not going to last forever. If we vote with our wallets, it's already a step in the right direction.
I love how you guys can still debate and for the drinker to comfortably be outgunned and not take it personal. This one was a good one.
Felt kind of uncomfortable to view. Drinker would say like 45 seconds and then Mauler and Reaper would rant for like 10 minutes and just filibuster him into the ground. And while some of their points were good, most of it they'd tear apart themselves if they put as much energy into debunking themsleves as they did the Fallout show lol.
@@Ralathar44 , Drinker gave them explicit permission to do it, they didn't just start that out of nowhere. Especially MauLer. Drinker knew what he was unleashing.
@@Ralathar44Bro the more they go off and entertain, the more money Drinker makes. Trust me, he was not uncomfortable 😂
@@Zara-Bari Where did I say drinker was uncomfortable? I said it was uncomfortable to view. I wouldn't want to see the same ish go down in the other direction either. And yeah, Drinker knew what he was getting into but what is he supposed to do? Say people can't talk about it? Stop being friends with Mauler? No. He's gonna be a good sport and just take it on the cheek. He already did his video over it people enjoyed and he'll make his money out of it.
@@Ralathar44, I never used the word uncomfortable, so I think you may be meaning to respond to somebody that's not me.
Mauler’s right about Fallout. Fallout had goofy stuff going on but the franchise used to be serious about the core concept. New Vegas was all about how a post apocalyptic world results in some wacky things like a clueless quick-talker becoming head scientist of a power station, and how that was causing strain on the people who needed the power. Ever since Bethesda took over, Fallout has gone heavy into clown material and that’s bled into the core concept.
That Drinker calls it a silly video game show where nothing makes sense is *why* this show sucks. It’s a monument to the destruction of the Fallout world. Fallout used to be so much more than that. We went from serious but humorous to a clown party.
Me, born in 91, watching open bar #91 from a post-soviet country that gained its independence in '91.
Two of those events are fixed dates. Do you mention these details every time the number 91 comes up? This amuses me, cheers!!
@@mattg5791 The show's hosts were doing the same thing so it's pretty normal for the commenters to join in down here in the comments section, no?
Heh, same.
@@mattg5791 Hey, go find your own repeating numbers. No need to be envious.
Also born in 91, 91 bros rise up!
Its cool seeing them disagree it shows that you dont always have to have the same opinion and can still be friends
Welcome nerd/geek/dork culture welcome to normal pre 2016.
Well I think they agreed on a lot of things but arrived at different conclusions
Yes, it was refreshing
The fact that your comment is even relevant and I can't respond with, "uh, yeah? And?" Is an indictment of the status quo of humanity.
@@PrivateCitizen84pre 2016? This culture exist long before the Internet lol.
Remember that car Homer Simpsons made? Everything Disney makes now is like that.
300 million dollars?! This monstrosity cost me 300 million dollars? What have I done? I’m ruined!!!
I just add speed holes to my car.
That's the Cyber Truck lol
The question I have is, will Henry Cavill throw in the towel?
Probably depends on if he's signed any contracts forcing him to stay.
If he signed such a contract before this whole Custodes thing went down, he's probably not happy.
@@OneDapperFrog ouch yea poor cavill can't catch a break (like the rest of us) so stay close as possible to lore instead of message pushing type
That contract should have included airtight guarantees that his show won't get overrun by the same sort of wokisms the Witcher show suffered. You'd think between the Witcher Downfall and his James Gunn Superman cancellation he would be more cautious with corporate shenanigans.
No, he's a fraud. He moves from franchise to franchise suckering the nerds into it, he gives it the initial boost and favourable opinions. Then they hammer the woke crap, he then moves on and does the same again leaving a trail of media replaced with woke ideology. And you fall for it everytime, because he 'acts' like he's one of you lol. Imagine that, an actor acting.
@@Gator159 Maybe he trusted his manager or lawyer too much.
I see many parallels between Fallout and The Boys, another Amazon show. It starts off subtly with "The Message" and draws in a big crowd with gratuitous violence and cartoonish vulgarity, and then it will get very heavy handed with the messaging in future seasons. I could be wrong, but I see it coming.
I sincerely hope so.
The Boys is the best thing on.
And if you think it's not patronizing the left bashing them then you're not paying attention.
Both are bashed. Just like GTA.
@@DS94everXev I hear that opinion a lot about The Boys. I don't consider the "Wokeland" bit to be on par with characterizing conservatives as racists who will follow a Nazi, or gun owners as stupid people who shouldn't try to defend themselves. Homelander and Soldier Boy, the two who are charicatures of patriotic Americans, are the evil villains. It's very clear that they take soft jabs at the left while seriously deriding the right. I don't remember a similar villainization of leftist ideology.
But the thing that drew everyone in was the spectacle of the extreme violence, and thus it snuck in the message.
You aren't wrong. You are observant and to be commended for it. The trailer straight told us what this show would be about: Haves vs have-nots. That was NEVER the premise of Fallout. But they tried to fucking cram it into the show, starting with Vault-Tec owning half the US economy and deciding to nuke everyone else for profit and power. They wanted to establish a monopoly where they brought their competition along with them for no good fucking reason outside Communist perceptions of what capitalism is. They think everything is about power, and anyone who says otherwise is just lying, so of course the goal of capitalists was to kill everyone else.
Similarly, players know the Vault Dwellers are test subjects, they are not rich or fortunate, but the show creates the perception that they are, anyway, in order to justify Moldaver's Red Wedding and the shitty treatment of Vault Dwellers. "They didn't have to suffer, so they're privileged bourgeoisie. They're cowardly, shallow, silly, and weak." So it makes perfect sense to be cruel assholes to them, or their descendants, in Neo-Marxist logic. They can only be redeemed by being shat upon so they develop a revolutionary consciousness. Thus, it's fine for Moldaver to engineer the sexual exploitation of her friend's daughter, no matter how many plot holes she had to jump through.
Moldaver herself is supposed to be good, though. She's going to get this infinite energy so she can......what? Get it immediately taken away by the Enclave? Or get her ass nuked by Vault-Tec again? Or get roflstomped by the Brotherhood? What was her plan for this shit? She didn't have one because the writers didn't have one beyond showing that people will crush "noble" goals like giving people free electricity, in order to take power for themselves. As if they couldn't use infinite energy to produce zillions of products or endeavors.
The Brotherhood gets the same treatment. Nobody fucking recognizes the order now, because it's an exploitative religious cult, true to Marxist perception, that just abuses its own squires as labor and cannon fodder. Maximus has to be crapped on repeatedly just to make this point, so he can have a Neo-Marxist arc where he becomes a good, communal, person that follows Goosey with no understanding of what sex is, because that's a power dynamic.
Speaking of, the only good society in this show is the Vault that rebelled, Vault 4, which is somehow totally inclusive of wastelanders and also the most peaceful place ever. We JUST saw raiders that refused to be redeemed in Vault 33. They were absolute animals, Moldaver's animals, but somehow they're model citizens in Communist heaven. How the fuck did that happen? We're never shown, it just happened through the magic of diversity and inclusion.
Finally, we see Overseer Daddy fleeing towards a darkened New Vegas, and the ghoul reminds us that all the chaos is engineered. Communists really think that it is. They think everything they perceive as wrong with the world was engineered as a way to take advantage of people. That's why they're such miserable shits, why they reject free trade for mutual benefit, and why Mr. House is the next target. There can't be a prosperous New Vegas with lights on and people doing well. That wouldn't convey the revolutionary message effectively. Instead, it has been darkened by House's triumph over NCR and the Legion, which is guaranteed to make an appearance. The plot likely won't make any sense, but the message will still be there.
@@ProtheumX Did you watch season 2 at all?
Storefront is being worshipped by the left politicians and people.
Then to find out that she's a NAZI and she's pushing her NAZI agenda in America which Americans supported.
That is EXACTLY what we did with Ukraine as we supported the only openly NAZI battalion country in the world when they killed thousands of Russians in Ukraine after the treaty that they signed with Russia in 2014 to supposedly end the conflict.
And who are the good guys after season 3? Homelander is shown to truly love his son. Meanwhile our heroes are fine killing innocents. Taking the very thing they say is evil in order to protect us against evil.
Both political ends are bashed plenty.
@@arcdecibel9986 And I have to commend you for your analysis, because all of that is buried beneath a veneer of violence, spectacle, the fact that Goggins is a good actor, and Lucy is a lovable character.
Another problem is that everyone points to the Fallout universe and says, "Yeah, it's supposed to be really goofy and stupid. Of course it's not supposed to make sense. Of course they make the United States a charicature of super capitalism that would destroy itself for profit for... someone." Mauler makes that point pretty well. They make it impossible to tackle The Message in it seriously because it's said that you're not supposed to take any of it seriously, but people are still absorbing The Message whether they want to see it or not.
Gary also mentions the DEI elements in it, and that doesn't seem to be getting enough attention. I didn't know, for instance, that the Brotherhood of Steel provided HRT in their union insurance plan, or that the evil, head cleric would address the recruits by "they/them". Fancy that.
Custodes are technically separate from space marines and are made in another manner that is super secret. This does likely mean that actual space marines are now safe from being retconned.
Female Custodes should be an issue for all fans with the way they announced it, that tweet they put out is terrible.
GW just finished the Horus Heresy and the Seige of Terra books, a massive undertaking set 10K years before the events of Warhammer 40K and arguably the most important story in the setting. It literally finished a few months ago (ie coinciding with codex Custodes development) and there are no mention of female Custodes in there, which means if there has always been female Custodes, then not one of them was worth mentioning, nor had any story worth telling. Should have said they started to be developed during the 10K years of isolation as the Custodes rebuilt their numbers after the Heresy.
Hear hear
No women have good stories in Warhammer. Erdas a puke fest, Astartes is a puke
Literally all they had to do was was state that custodies recruitment was low and the need for recruits so desperate that they lifted the restriction on women. Sisters of silence could have done the same and started recruiting men (blanks are extremely rare and turning away potential recruits due to gender is a big handicap.) That way the talon of the emperor could both be a mixed force without breaking the lore or either one being made redundant. Space marines are male only, sororitas female only and talons of the emperor being mixed sounds fair.
The way they went about though is sneaky and disgusting.
@@terminalred9232 The population of the galaxy is too big for that. Would've been easier to say something like Valdor was trying to breed custodes because he couldn't create them fast enough or something at a stretch or trying to create something new
Exactly. The non-warhammer channels are upset about the introduction of female custodes. The warhammer fans are upset about how the introduction was handled, rather than the actual female custodes
You can like Fallout and also completely agree with Mauler on all of his points. Btw.
Yes you can like the game. Not the show.
You can also dislike both.
@@yourewrongabouteverythingthe games are aweful, dated and shit. This show shits on the games
My problem is that if Mauler/Reaper put the same level of energy towards his own criticisms as he did towards tearing Fallout a new one he'd tear 75% of his own arguments apart. The show is an 8/10, it has plenty of flaws, but man they went in on it not only far more than it deserved but they were wrong or embarrassingly off base about alot. (a woman's water breaking is not a joke about her peeing on the floor lol). I've never had a problem with those two, its a rare L for them in my eyes.
@@Ralathar44 Someone's REALLY butthurt something they liked was revealed to be trash lmao. Just listen to yourself "8/10, PLENTY OF FLAWS" - that ain't what an 8/10 is kid. Not to mention the show is riddled with the message. I hope you don't watch FNT cause they all shat on it too lol you'd probly have an aneurysm.
Power armor is supposed to make you a walking tank. Except for when the plot armor needed it in the show power armor was pretty much paper.
They must be level 1 in model "A" Power Armor. When I level up in PA in FO4 I drop down in the armor to Raider, T45 or T51 as T60 or X is OP. Some runs I just run around in vault suit and a pistol.
@@PrivateCitizen84I’m pretty sure the whole A,B,C is just an upgrade system and that’s it.
Like canonically, there is T-45d and T-51b but no others that have the letter grades.
@@V0cticl Yeah just on about F04. It's in the game so they can put it in the show (or not). Titainum paint job on X0 with max out letter F is OP.
Just got the Telsa cannon with the free update and workbench modded it with area effect. My two current run characters are close to level 80. You don't even have to aim well lol. Lazy gaming for sure lol. Almost as OP as Quad Launcher with lock on.
@@V0cticl ...T-45d implies that there's a T-45a-c preceding d.
War hammer was going to gain TONS of fans with Cavill and now they’re instead going to lose fans.
I brought my first W40K space marine figure couple of weeks ago. I play the computer games only and the first time got something phyisical. I was hoping on hope for Cavil, but less hopeful now.
As a player from the mid 90s, I really don't want 40k to get tons of new fans. Mainstream popularity is the death knell of every single nerdy universe
Trans member of BOS, immediately self-harms. What did Bethesda mean by this?
What do YOU think they meant by it? You're the only one pointing it out on multiple videos.
It means the BOS is not the best place for LGBT+ individuals. Like we've known this at least since new Vegas considering they had an issue with Veronica and Christine's relationship.
@@mattgibson9337yeah but this new chapter doesn’t seem to have any issue with “outsiders” joining up, in FNV they wouldn’t let Veronica and Christine stay together because they needed to be “open for expanding the family”.
Honestly hadn’t realised she was supposed to be trans figured was just a female in the military btw in case your post was not sarcastic it’s tv it’s not real calm down an go outside
lol that’s funny, but also, is it normal for the BOS to have a trans person in their group? According to the lore of the games?
FYI - Custodes are made using the Emporers gene seed - space marines are made using his sons’ gene seed.
Look they found the girl power of the nag. The Nag Marines will save the Emperor the Imperium, yay!
Max is the Finn of the show.
100%
I can't be the only one who appreciates the lads having dissenting opinions on something. This is great!
I’m surprised at Drinker being surprised at Maulers criticism. It’s literally his brand to break down media.
@@stdamonsbeard True, but this is one of those times where I genuinely believe Mauler has no idea what he's watching when it comes to Fallout. He doesn't seem to get it at all - even basic things are flying by him because he's too busy critiquing stimpaks.
@@planaraspect9461 So he had no valid criticisms?
@@stdamonsbeard He does, heck even I do, but he acts like this show is far stupider than it is and is dismissive of plot points that are directly drawn from the games it is a sequel to.
@@planaraspect9461 Mauler doesn't care about that. He tries to only judge the piece of media he is watching. He doesn't care about how close something is to the source material. He cares only about execution. Even if something is based on a true story or history. He doesn't care. Like with Gladiator or Amadeus. He admits it's not accurate. But the story itself is well told.
Alright, can we have *_Gangs of London_* review by the Drinker?
Such a good fucking show.
That pub fight. The one in the building site with the hitman. That incredible one-shot passing through the house with all the chaos going around.
Just stay away from series two...
Loved season 1. Season 2, not so much
@@jonbaxter2254 :( I loved season 1, season 2 started a bit boring and I forgot about it. If it's not good I'll keep away. Thank god Warrior appeared around the same time.
I would not want to subject him to that. I went from being very interested by the first episode to absolute mockery of it by episode (the one where that woman survives a hit by a tactical squad by lying on the floor and pretending to be dead and they just don't confirm the kill)
Blackrock and Vanguard... destroyers of worlds...
War never changes.
Maximus's story line was a head scratcher for me.
Maximus is a highly conflicted character without a clear arc. Basically he's your every day person who wants to be a hero but has been confused and mindfuacked. So his journey is first towards realizing what everything else is, with him not really knowing what he's doing or why since he's still figuring himself out. Then once he actually understands the lay of the land he can finally become who he's gonna be. He's prolly the most realistic character in the show in that regard. Confused, full of double standards, fed constant misinformation, and has personal flaws all causing him to be very inconsistent. If they continue to do him right then in season 2 he'll have figured out more or less how the world works and where his head is at in season 2 instead of constantly being pulled in different directions by naive ideals, Brotherhood brainwashing, and falling prey to his own flaws.
@@Ralathar44 Bro you've got issues for real. You're just mindlessly defending every single part of the show, i've seen tons of your comments and it's pathetic. Maximus is the worst part of the show by a mile and literally everyone else agrees. Terribly acted, terribly written. You're just making things up.
@@theycallmefingers2 Rant and troll away. You're just a bad actor and you make other people here who actually do feel their criticisms look bad. You're not even talking to me, you've created your own mental version of me to try to sell to other people. I may as well not even be involved.
He fails upwards because he's an incompetent jackass.
Good actor. Gray character. Mostly exists to convince white women who they should F.
Gary I'm from Idaho and your right we don't like Cali or Oregon
The Shield is excellent and was way ahead of its time. 7 seasons of great writing and story telling.
in my view, its one of the best crime / police dramas ever made. I need to watch it again, which will be the 4th time.
That's how I was introduced to Walton Goggins.
The Shield dips a bit after the Money Train, then takes off again like a rocket.
@@GaudiaCertaminisGaming I'm doing a breakdown of the entire show later this year.
2:50:00 Someone missed the ending of Rise of Skywalker. If you look REALLY CLOSE Ray's lightsaber can do any of the lightsaber colors, and I'm sure she'll be able to do a rainbow one too.
Good point about the throwing Mauler. I got so tired with that in the Terminator movies (both good and bad). It should be a game over for you is a terminator / power armor lies hands on you. It is even shown in one of the first Terminator scenes when Arnie rips out the heart of one of the punks. If something so strong woul grab you, it would either rip off your limp, squash the head, or just puncture your torso with its fingers.
But nah, lets just throw people around instead of ripping them to shreds.
If everything was real to life aragorn would have died falling off a cliff in LOTR, rocky would have lost to Ivan Drago, T2 wouldn't have happened cos arnie would have shot Sarah in T1. John wick would have lasted around 30 minutes cos he'd have immediately been shot in the first action scene. Luke skywalker would have died falling down that pipe....basically if you want this go watch documentaries...
So many movies that you, Reaper, and Mauler love are guilty of this exact same crap. Star Wars, Star Trek, Die Hard, Lord of the Rings, etc would all be very short movies/series if people capitalized on every advantage they had and just ended things. The double standards are real. Important character plot armor is all over the place in even the best shows and movies.
Power armor wasn't shown to be that powerful in game to begin with, it doesn't make you a Terminator.
@@billdoor3140
Aragorn is a twice-lifetime expanded pureblood noble from a lineage of people known to live several hundred years, who barely survived that fall in the first place.
Boxers get years worth of head trauma and don't suffer any complications, so nice lie there and an admittance you know nothing about boxing.
Your point about terminator makes no sense, BULLETS ARE BULLETS YOU MIDDLE SCHOOL DROPOUT.
John Wick was a years experienced hitman who's actor had to train in speed shooting to nail those scenes, everything you saw in that was done meticulously to represent that fact.
And he does get shot and does get downed and out you liar.
And Luke grabbed a pole, how does that affect anything?
Your defense doesn't even have to do with the main point, completely a bot or Ranjeesh from Mumbai.
@@hinugundamB
okay Rishi from Bangalore.
I did not know Nerdrotic was in prison in '91. I need to hear the story there!
He talked about it before. Just look up gary nerdrotic prison time a
Yep he did time for GBH...when he owned a comic book shop he beat up a woke customer with a rolled up NO.1 episode of watchmen!!!
@@billdoor3140 Based.
i bet you don't know he owned a comic book shop and his wife is a hairdresser and he used to live in San Francisco either then.
@@WayStedYou and the hair saloon was closed because of the COVID restrictions in California (when Peolosie was using the services as nothing happened)
yeah, Garry is repetetice around these 4 subjects, so it is hard to be his viewer and not be aware
the comic book store ownership is a meme at this point
Another complaint is why is this taking place in California?
There are Alot of places in the Post war USA they could of focused on.
It would be a way to expand on lore without pissing people off or retreading old ground.
The Chicago area, Texas Southeast.
These are all areas we have heard about in fallout but never got expanded upon.
Because it was the cheapest place to film that already looked like a wasteland 😂
@@lore_shardsFUCK 💀🤣
I thought it was clear from the final shot why they had it in California.
You couldn't write new fallout material without pissing off the fanbase
@@MaxIgnoramussure you can. It's not hard. Just don't shit on what came before and don't retcon. There's plenty of areas where there's nothing, and offer so much freedom. But that requires creativity, integrity, and passion. Something Bethesda hasn't had since Morrowind.
It's honestly sad to see some of the reactions to the Fallout discussion in the comments with many seemingly resorting to the same arguments TLJ stans use like "you just didn't get it" or "it's a fictional universe so nothing has to make sense" or straight up ad hominem.
I liked hearing differing perspectives. I don't hate Mauler or Drinker because of it, and I won't worship them either. As it turns out, you can still enjoy or hate the show based on your own opinions. The youtube critics can't hurt you, I promise. If you're unironically unsubbing from the channel because you think Drinker got this one wrong, I don't know what to tell you except grow thicker skin. You're just as bad as the "snowflakes" we criticize. It's a TV show. Take a deep breath.
As someone who enjoyed the show some of the criticism is fair. The raid on the vault absolutely made no sense In how it was executed. But mauler moaning about plot armour? 🙄 what types of shows doesn't have plot armour? Gandalf fell down a bottomless pit and came back...aragorn fell off a cliff and is saved by a horse. Mauler moans about chance meetings...the hobbits are saved by a chance meeting with tree beard. You can basically use plot armour and chance meetings to criticise absolutely everything ever made. The main characters ALWAYS have plot armour and chance meetings.
Stop watching trash starwars then hypocrite.
@@billdoor3140 Gandalf coming back isnt plot armor by definition but yeah I see your point
@@billdoor3140 I thought it was pretty funny he thought a woman's water breaking was them peeing on the floor and supposed to be a joke. I also thought it was pretty funny they thought the vault should be jaded surgeons about new babies when vaults have like 100 people (only a small % of which will be making babies) and so new children wouldn't happen very often at all. The show is a solid 8/10 with plenty of flaws, but man it feels like they were actively looking to hate it and that really turned me off. Like if they would have criticized their own criticisms with half the energy they went after Fallout with they would have torn their own arguments to shreds in many cases. (not all ofc, show still has its flaws).
TBH I'm baffled at the arguments they wanted things to be lore accurate but also wanted things to not be lore accurate and instead be realistic. Pick a street. Personally, I'm here because its a Fallout show. Unrealistic goofy things from the games are a plus for me. If I wanted a realistic post apoc show, it shouldn't be a Fallout show because that is not what Fallout is. TLJ is a fictional IP meant to follow its own rules and they jumped the shark on that. Fallout is a video game series that often spits in the face of logic for a laugh or gameplay and if anything they made the show much more realistic than the games. They are very different foundations and TLJ is full of heinous offenses inventing or expanding upon stuff that did not exist before while Fallout, if anything, is toned down.
I really enjoyed the Fallout discussion.
Timestamp? I’m trying to find it without listening to the whole 3hrs
I did. Even though i don't agree with many things against the show. I side with drinker but can be mature enough to listen
It's not like mauler and reaper were insulting and name calling drinker and lance.
I think the problem is so many people in the chat are SO used to screaming matches and insults that they're not used to actual discussion
@@bluecollarloser6654 It was a bit lopsided between "I watched it twice and made notes" vs "I watched it once with popcorn".
Please provide examples and citations to support your arguments.
Felt like "woah, didn't know I was going to be tested on this."
@@reshypoo9447
well drinker sometimes won't tell his guests until the day of wtf the topic of discussion is
My point is often we watch a film or show as is, then on a 2nd viewing we see things we didn't notice. I often cite with the lastest The Batman movie with Pattinson
I REALLY started to dislike that film 2nd time in theaters, then on Hbo max i now find it unwatchable lol
I was watching 1 epiosde of fallout per day at work, then 1 more at home with popcorn or dinner.
So i think if drinker or lance missed out on a few things in the show, i doubt the 2 of them watched the show mulitple times and were analyzing it the way Mauler does
I can honestly see the way he criticizes things that he doesn't watch them just once. In terms of citations, i mean it's a 50 min debate lol.
I would have to show specific details. I know drinker mentioned regenerating limbs and also each vault having different kinds of people in them
I wouldn't expect every vault dweller to be the same
@@rostikskobkariov5136I think Drinker made a separate video of the discussion.
Edit: the video is 58 minutes.
best monolog and no one picked V meeting Evie in V for Vendetta??? what is the world coming to?
“Spare the rod.”
Mannn, I missed this series for too long!
The Bar is a tight show - personnel-wise - but still packed with more-fascinating conversations than podcasts a few times longer. I especially dug the Amazon Fallout section.
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Also, now I have another channel to research, with Mr. Lance's Outcasts Creative. He was hella-funny and provided an 'elder statesman' perspective that I didn't know I was lookin' for.
Drinker to Tatiana: "Swallow it you must... it is the truth of your existence"
Comments Section: Man, I wish MauLer would talk more, especially when he disagrees with something.
Drinker: *releases The Long*
Comments Section: NOT LIKE THAT.
What comments are you reading? The most liked comment is “Longman is right”
@@LuisGonzalez-ui7ow, at the time I posted this, I had scrolled through a lot in a row that didn't like the disagreeing or thought he was off-base or that the bit went on too long, so I decided to post a humorous comment, because I also remembered scrolling past a lot of comments in previous weeks of people complaining that MauLer needed to talk more.
I bloody love Reaper
In a none gay way.
This is no echo chamber.....
Mauler fanboys are damage controlling though lol.
Relating to Fallout series. Games have insta heal and such mechanics to not to make it too frustrating to players. Same as in games you could survive several shots and then just heal. Or some games have weapons and ammo and health just spinning around in the air for easy pickups. Etc.
Not that sure I want to see those same mechanics applied to movies or series just because "games have those" because those are mostly related to certain game mechanics.
Films and games are very different mediums. In games you overlook loads of things in name of mechanics. One being many characters and enemies being bullet sponges to make games harder. That same was happening e.g. in JW4 and I hated it. Characters had invisible health bars and they only died when it was depleted.
As I understand it, Fallout has a bandage or item use to heal, which is a game play analogy to first aid, not a literal insta-heal.
@@dragonknightleader1 No, Stimpacks are a thing that's been in fallout for a long long time and they heal mortal wounds in seconds including, specifically, damaged body parts + just overall health. You could be at 5% hp and inject yourself like 3 times and you're totally healthy in seconds. Even the very first game not only had them but had higher quality ones that were basically a full instant heal.
Like what someone else said, gameplay is not cannon, the events of the story is.
@@picklerick2.05 But then you're just creating Ludonarrative dissonance by the buckload if you're trying to be too serious about lore vs gameplay. For example the MC in every game is some "normal" vault dweller who (even with terrible attributes) can single handedly fight off entire groups of skilled soldiers adn who every, at first meeting, expected to be able to single handedly solve their issues. The world of Fallout, gameplay aside, is inherently absurd because its designed and written around being a game. Everyone is stupid. Everyone is helpless. Everyone needs the chosen one to solve every issue big and small. There are no children anywhere, the wasteland is nothing but raiders and deadly monsters but towns are somehow still alive. Nothing anywhere is ever looted and is full of goodies just waiting on you. So yeah, if you take the games seriously they're actually TERRIBLE writing.
@Ralathar44 Again, thr main events are cannon. Just like any other thing with a main character in a big world, they can affect the events, but the world should not revolve and shape around them. The world needs to exist outside of their actions. Fallout can do this, and other games have had factions take action with or without the need for the MC. Again, the main character being the catalyst for the events is not bad writing, especially how integral the MC character normally is to the plot. Characters randomly bumping into each other, or people being stabbed with blades need to be addressed with dare I say "realistic" expectations. If not, then this is a show will have the easiest way to bullshit itself out of ANY foreseeable problem.
Sadly many saw it happening long ago.
But too many were too tolerant of the invaders, they argued a valid position we would of been no better than our bullies who excluded us, but that undermined the hobbies and fandoms we take part in by giving an inch, then they took a mile.
Also if my memory serves, some trials for kids to become space marines were horrendous, like the Death Guard, you had to walk through a thorn field and the thorns had tons of agonizing toxins on them. Most die, some live but wish they didn't and a rare few make it.
Another is death battles, drop 100 boys in an arena and throw in a bunch of knives and stuff and let them go until the watching marines decide enough is enough, usually when like 10 are still alive, maybe less.
The problem is that the people who are the invaders are the bullies who excluded first. Apply to an enemy the morality they have applied to others. If they were kind be kind back. If they took no quarter, give them none.
91... my last trip to the USA from Oz... saw the Star Trek cement ceremony at Mann's Chinese Theatre (premiere of ST6)... also visited Muppet HQ in NYC. Special trip, that one.
The message already took Warhammer.
Now it's just a question of what actual fans choose to name their bastardized 3D printer-based spinoff.
(Remember how DOTA started? Just a dedicated group of map modders completely overtaking every popular multiplayer game at the time? Yeah. Expect that, but on steroids.)
Space King.
Protect the Holy Globules, _brothers._
The fan purge of 19 should have been a call to arms for everyone. People thinking this is the start of the dark time have been slow to see the sun setting.
@@RedStar441 I think MajorKill already has BattleMace.
Real 40k. Any other name is an admission of defeat.
"in a universe where orcs can believe their space warships, weapons and vehicle will work, and based on this belief alone that their said stuff DO work, THIS universe is inconceivable to have female custodes?"
i am paraphrasing but i thought it was a good point and change of perspective.
prominent warhammer content creators felt like it really doesn't matter if there are female custodes.
Imho, there are three basic problems with the Fallout tv series:
A) Satire: Satire in game-Fallout is conveyed by the surroundings and the post-nuke world, not by it‘s characters - they are often very tragic. The show gets that wrong, characters try to be funny all the time.
B) The show tries way too much to engage with game mechanics, e.g. medpacks in a very clumsy way.
C) Mauler is right, they need a smart and consistent story in the tv series. In the game, you as the player can take control and make all the decisions you want. That’s totally different in a show where the writers make the choice for you so it has to feel right. One reason it’s obviously super hard to write e.g. mass effect as a tv series is that the story is driven so much by the characters choices and that’s super hard to transfer properly into a tv encroachment
I agree with a and b. The satire generally didn't quite work for me. They needed someone to consult who actually knows satirical dark humour like Bill Burr for example (not as an actor, just writing the scenes). I don't think Jon Nolan is much of a comedic writer. The ingredients were there, with better direction and execution, some of them could've been hilarious. The crossbow bolt in the neck did it for me, I burst out laughing...
The lore issues wouldnt be as glaring if they hadnt made a point to say the show is in the same continuity as the games.
Saying "but thats how stimpacks work in the games" but in the game it only restores 30% of your health lol varying depending on game
They also ruined Mr House in another way. In FNV House is shown to primarily be concerned about the survival of humanity but in the show they make him concered only with profit.
They also have Sinclair running Big MT even though Sinclair didnt run Big MT. He made a business deal with them and they did experiments without his knowledge.
Plus the plot of Lonesome Road is about blowing up the Long 15 to cut off trade with Shady Sands, in 2281, 4 years after its blown in the show.
These are just a handful of lore issues that not many people have brought up, to go with the hundred others
I forgot about lonesome road holy shit
On Stimpacks - Stimpacks restoring 30% is a game mechanic, same as the Pipboy freezing time, and VATS existing. Stimpacks have restored more or less from game to game, and were originally depicted as hyper-morphine.
As to House - House's full motivations are not expanded upon within the show. My guess is that House joined to gain info on when the world would end (as he knew it would) as opposed to make any profit from it ending. House has already been involved with Vault-Tec anyway. PipBoys have always been made by RobCo. We also don't know if Vault Tec's plan to nuke the world ever came to fruition, only that they did have discussions on it.
Sinclair represents Big MT, the show does not clarify if he runs it. He's obviously in a position of substantial partnership with Big MT to be included in these conversations.
Once again - Shady Sands was nuked after FNV, before the show. The line indicates the fall happened when the 2nd battle of Hoover Dam happened, and then the nuke happened an indeterminate amount of time later.
@OKMBVideos About that last point, if shady sands was nuked after FNV, then why is there no second date? Every other event on the board is dated but the nuke. The only reason to not date that event is if the nuke and "the fall if the ncr" mean the same event.
For example, 1945 Hitler commits self deletion ------> Nazi Germany falls.
I don't need to date the second part because they roughly happened at the same time. Meaning the fall of the NCR is the nuking of Shady Sands.
@@OKMBVideos lie after lie from someone with double digit iq cope. The only thing true about what you said is that stimpacks are an opiate
@@almalone3282Best in-universe explanation I can give is that the fall started with the first battle of Hoover Dam (might have said second, mistake), and then at some indeterminate point later, it was nuked and was not given a date on that particular chalkboard (though what purpose it was being used for beyond education is not stated within the show)
Given that they're clearly aware of the timeline and are planning to use New Vegas in S2, that nuking happened at some point after NV happened.
S2 will undoubtedly give us a concrete date for when Shady Sands was nuked.
Mauler says max caught up to the initiate "somehow" despite being behind him. Did mauler miss the whole "my fucking foot is shattered, can barely move, had to get it healed, then searched for a radio before hanging out with the radio station guy for who knows how long" thing?
Thank you MauLer and Reaper
I love Lance’s slight, but gentle naivety at modern DEI and the very very real ramifications it has on ALL projects.
He's speaking from a point of integrity and basic common sense. Conspiracy theorists were the only ones who saw it going this far.
I love how so many people think Civil War wasn't politically biased. 3 term president, abolishes the FBI, and says "God Bless America": clearly Trumpian republican.
Jesse Plemmons is the real-life husband of Kirsten Dunst, and he is killing "non-Americans" while wearing a US military uniform.
They're torturing looters at the gas station etc.
IMO, Garland started this film with a very hard-handed leftist script. Movie gets greenlit in 2022 and starts production, and the studio sees the cultural changes that take place since then with Biden in charge and realizes their most expensive movie could easily flop hard.
Upon release Garland announces he's done with directing. I think they changed his movie, and he's upset but can't say anything because of NDA.
thank you for that, much appreciated.
Tiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiimestaaaaaaamps
Goggins is great in everything is so spot on. Vice Principles, the righteous gemstones plus justified and the shield.
I really like how they are arguing over Fallout. Having civil disagreements is a good thing. I personally liked it, as I was willing to suspend my disbelief and be a bit more generous with the cause and effect than Mauler and Reaper. To each their own.
Drinker looked a bit burned tbh, I was laughing.
@@aldunlop4622 I don't blame him, he got fillibustered. He'd think for a second and say like 45 seconds of stuff and then Mauler and Reaper would then rant for 10 minutes straight. That would be annoying to deal with no matter how much you like the people involved.
Well it’s hard to respond to Reaper he came across as someone who watched the show while distracted and never played the games
@@Ralathar44dog you got a weird all in defense for this one man 🤣. You are positive version of the hate mob you're sperging out over
@@Butiguessilovememore they're not a hate mob, just inconsistently applying their critiques and relying on volume and volume over quality. Fantastical healing eliminating stakes? Luke Skywalker's Hand. Plot armor? Gandalf the grey literally being ressurected by god to change history. (despite never being mentioned in the books so its also a massive dues ex machina). Lore issues? Go watch Timothy Cain's video on lore drift. He's one of the biggest folks behind making Fallout 1/2.
There are plenty of answers to the criticisms, but when the critics talk 5 times as much and as loud it just drowns the other side out completely.
I loved that they had differing opinions, but the discussion was badly imbalanced in terms of fairness. Props to Drinker for realizing the situation and graciously taking the L rather than turn the lopsided discussion into something worse.
Longman is right.
Mauler makes good points....but you could use the same criticism of most films throughout history. There's plot armour and coincidence meetings in everything from lord of the rings to big trouble in little China
Ok I like the show and think he is wrong.
@@billdoor3140You are comparing paper cuts to bullet wounds on the grounds that everyone experiences a flesh wound at some point.
This point of yours will vanish when you encounter something you don't like. It is the most fickle defense of criticism on the planet. Nobody actually believes it.
Correct on this one but still wrong about Gow
Every character that survives anything ever in fiction has plot armour. It's now a criticism used by people trying to sound smarter than they are. It's the weakest point you can use to insult fiction.
After reading comments i dont understand one thing. This podcast is done mainly by Drinker and Mauler, they are the co-hosts. Yet when someone says "I agree with Drinker/Mauler" some people simply react with "cry fanboy". If you dont like one of them why watch a show run by both of them? If even after listening to everything and maybe even reading comments, and you still weren't convinced by the opposite opinion, why not just agree to disagree, and enioy a fantastic discussion between friends where they dont agree and then end the show still as friends? I really dont understand people or maybe im just naive, dunno.
I can say what I've seen firsthand is look mauler has an audience, drinker does, nerdrotic etc
Some people may love drinker and not mauler. Some people love drinkers take and think mauler is an idiot. Others love mauler and think drinker is an idiot
You dam sure see a lot of toxic in the comments section and live chat.
Trying to win 100% of the audience is 100% impossible. I've been on open bar and try to make people laugh.
But people get like territorial lol
An excellent observation.
I'm convinced these people are stuckmann fans or lefty trolls who hate both of them, thus troll and provoke people to try and harm the fanbase as much as they can.
I personally just downvote and ignore any moronic comment by people like that, otherwise they aren't worth the time.
I like the debate and I think it's fine to get fired up, but yeah, the name-calling and unsubscribing and getting butthurt is tiresome af.
By the way, it happens on BOTH sides, morons calling mauler a loser and hate-monger, and morons also calling drinker a simp or whatever, name-calling is stupid and both creators are still better than so many others.
Get along ffs.
@@bluecollarloser6654 While I lean towards Drinker I've enjoyed Mauler as well and this is prolly the first time in recent memory I'd give him a solid L. Forget Fallout, just how the conversation went.
Drinker would say like 45 seconds and then Mauler and Reaper would rant for like 10 minutes and while some of it was valid alot of it was weak, flat out wrong, or embarassing (thinking a woman's water breaking was her peeing on the floor as a joke). It didn't feel like a discussion, it felt like Mauler and Reaper Fillibustering Drinker and then sometimes Lance occasionally said something.
My favorite monologue might be the "I'm mad as hell" speech from Network.
Maximus is Finn from the sequel trilogy.
Goosey was actually a decent character, as modern female heroes go.
The Ghoul was by far the highlight of the show. Even if his fight against Stormtrooper Finn didn't make any sense, especially in light of his one shot/one kill ability displayed in the final episode.
While I don’t agree with everything Mauler said, he was on point about how shit the defences of Fallout’s writing are. Saying “it’s just like the games!” isn’t a defence, it just means the games had shit writing too. It just feels like everyone has collectively decided to give this show a pass for some reason.
It kind of felt like if button prompts had come on screen, he'd say "well it's just like the games."
Reason is pretty simple because the showrunners seem to respect the fallout game world.
They may not be in league with arcane or last of us when it comes to storytelling but they managed to capture the spirit of fallout, not the easiest thing to do when changing from game format to television format just ask Halo fans, resident evil fans or doom fans.
By making a show which captures the essence of the original game with its setting, costumes, props, easter eggs, music, sound effects etc, in this day and age on the same platform which brought rings of power and willow...
@@ArjunSidhan The original game? Which one? This show is nothing like Fallout 1, honestly it barely resembles Fallout 4 outside of a handful of specifics like the Vaults or the power armor. You're telling me that because they did the creative equivalent of jangling keys in front of you, that gets a pass because other shows were shitty and lacking in notable iconography? Fuck me, enjoy it while you can then because this ship is gonna sink and I'm already outta here. You get what you deserve.
Fallout season 1 may be serviceable (barely) - but if you think next season won’t be more woke, diverse and full of THE MESSAGE… Ive got just the bridge to sell you!
stop projecting your fears into the future. you will just be miserable.
@TNM001 this is the most polite way to tell someone to "stfu, and enjoy it"
@@dylanisboringstfu and don’t watch it simple.
@@TNM001 He doesn't need to project anything, it's a statistical probability. Where tf have you been the past 5+ years?
@@TNM001stop running defence for Amazon
I wish the Drinker himself of Someone would make a timestamps for these podcasts
Top stuff, especially great selection of guests 👍
For those curious, according to the Warhammer Community the demographics of those who play Warhammer are:
74% men
26% women
and about 16% of those are "women" in name only.
No way. Absolutely no fucking way. I'd be surprised if 5% of the playerbase were actual women.
@@sixmillionisimpossible the nerd communities are quite overrepresented with sexual minorities. Quite understandable why and we have a couple of trans and gay members in our 60-70 members club. Which is a couple more than if it was in line with demographics.
So that is just as you said something to take into consideration. At the largest miniature wargaming tournament I have played in so far, about 170 players, there were more trans women playing than women.
The community is very welcoming to everyone (or why would we have more than the average of LBTQ people in there and not less if we all were just subhuman basement dwellers like people online call us) but it is mainly a hobby for biological males. Trying to make it something else is just going to backfire. Everyone is welcome but that doesn't mean it is for everyone.
Our newest female 40k player is playing Orks for example and the lack of female representation doesn't seem to bother her at all.
@@Klickor It's almost as if humans were able to empathize with and put themselves in the shoes of people/characters that are not exactly as they are. I get the upsides of representation, but they don't go NEARLY as far as people are making them out to be.
I am a little let down by Civil War.
Amazingly shot, but didn't really say or point out anything.
That scene in the trailer where the solder asks them," What kind fo American are you?" I wanted more of that. The real tensin between "Us vs Them" a civil war would bring about. Instead the scene played out with simple racism, which all films do. I wanted something a little more.
You’d think there’d be more pushback over nerdrotic racism but I think they were just confused by his takes
@@andrewmoluf4299 Which timecode?
I enjoyed this because it goes in depth from different points of view
Well put, Fallout Show is only good because of its Makeup that makes it look like Fallout, once you remove the Makeup, it's actually bad.
No one was freaking out when the pregnancy happened? The almost sex scene was happening with the blonde chick and chet where her water breaks, and the next scene we get is the woman going through labor with people helping her while Chet leaves to go help the brother character. The only person who was freaking out was Chet but thats only because hes literally having a whole ass marriage relationship and child forced onto him in what is like, a couple hours or so right?
yes. all reactions i the Vault were pretty based.
i mean, when the guy got naked in front of Lucy and she just went "well...ok i guess"...based.
Finding the radiation signature is something which can't be forgiven.
It was an idiotic squire attempting to make himself look smart to his Knight, which the show are a terrifying presence to the squires. Idiots, I tell ya.
Plus, Ghouls themselves DO have more radiation than the background radiation of the wastelend 220 years after the bombs fell!
Gosh, these autists that have gary/mauler/reaper audience captured are sad and hilarious.
Welcome to science fiction, this type of stuff has been a trope for over a century
@@fffx2 I know. It's just sad that we're all meant to accept it when that type of information would cut that story into bits in real life.
If anything I hope this teaches people that's it's okay to ignore other people's opinions and watch whatever you want if you enjoy it.
One UA-cam content creator should never be the arbiter of what entertainment you view or choose to skip.
Just got over the first half. So far this is the best episode
Dogmeat is a good boy and is in most fallout games. He needs all the treats, scratches and all the head pats.
He's also played by a Belgian Malinois in the show. I used to have a Malinois and the dogs actually act like this. She would stay by my side everywhere. Never had to use a leash, except for her prey drive. If someone attacked she would instantly be there. Best and most loyal dogs you can get.
I wonder how they'll handle cyberdogs in Sea. Two. Perhaps _somehow_ , Rex will make a cameo.
@@bvyup2112 Is your dog still with ya?
I love dogs. They love me right back. I used to take a sleeping bag out to the back yard and sleep with them.
did'nt the BoS blimps first get mentioned in FO Tactics or something?
You are correct, they were in Fallout Tactics. For being so lore critical Mauler and Reaper fuacked it up more often than not. And they also expected 1 season of a TV show to give a complete framework for Fallout....and that's just not a realistic expectation with how crazy much lore there is.
@@Ralathar44Mauler was less caring about the lore and mostly the writing. Either way, fallout tsctics isnt considered canon by bethesda and on top of that it's probably the least popular or known within the fallout ip.
Most old school fallout fans will suggest you play fallout 1, 2 vegas. None will even mention tactics. So or course someone with just general knowledge of the lore to reference f4 as the first time blimps made an appearance.
@@gavinfreenone6626 Doesn't matter, if you're gonna play lore lawyer then be accurate at least lol. It'd be like someone playing rules lawyer in D&D and getting it wrong :D.
@@gavinfreenone6626 BTW as per Fallout 1 cows talk. "moo I say" :D. FO 1 is canon :D. It's almost like, since the beginning, the games were never intended to be taken this seriously lol.
@@gavinfreenone6626Tactics is broadstrokes Canon. They'll pull from it when they need to.
1991 is also the year that Star Trek 6 hit theaters. In fact I believe the release of ST6 and the breakup of the USSR occurred within a month of each other.
ST 6 was definitely timely in its subject matter and narrative.
It broke up on Dec. 25, 1991. A merry Christmas for the whole world!
No the airship comes in 4.
Too bad never got to shogun
Because Mauler and Reaper wouldn't stfu.
Well, seeing as the final episode is airing this week, it would make more sense to save the Shogun talk for the next show.
hey I tried! lol
Maybe Fallout just plays better in Scotland.
After a lot of alcohol
Scotland has surrendered so sure
It’s been like a day since shogun finale and I really want these guys to talk about it!!!!!!!!!
" Animal House " Bluto ...." Did we give up when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor ? " speech is a classic
Kek
Germans? (shrug) Takes sip of beer ..
You can be against a Capitalist Plutocracy without being a communist. 50:00
Any shock this happened when black roack invests
Can't wait for the open orders to drop for this one, probably lots of gems to be discovered
30:57 adding this time stamp to come back later
Overall I enjoyed Fallout. The acting overall was really decent. I loved the guy who played the Ghoul. Dude was stellar! Nobody seemed fake. I loved the Easter eggs spread throughout the show. I have played most of the games so I was super giddy when they showed the scene about Vault Tec with the guys wife. Holy shit that was interesting. But also I was sad that they did the NCR bad. Didn’t really exist and they kind of changed shit about that. Then again I think this show is its own thing right? Did Todd say it’s cannon? I don’t remember. Anyway I was also expecting it to be awful due to some of the recent shows coming out that bombed. Also I was born in 91 so this show was meant to happen. Reapers negatives were kind of petty to be honest. I don’t really see the point of those things. I thought it was hilarious that Max didn’t know anything about sex lol
Not 100% sure reaper actually watched it tbh
He kind of came across that way as some of his questions were actually answered by the plot
I agree that Reapers points were petty. Loved this show!!
Will season 2 be as good? Not sure just because of recent history of TV shows that begin with so much promise and go to shit. I don’t think I need to name names (something about Thrones lol).
Maximus is the Kamala Harris of the Wasteland.
Better re-watch "Under Fire" (with Nick Nolte & Gene Hackman & a younger Joanna Cassidy) than "Civil War" then. OTOH, I still haven't seen Balabanov's "Cargo 200". 🤔 But where do I get it?
I personally really enjoyed Lance on this one. As much as I love everyone else on the panel, sometimes there’s a bit of an excess of “everything’s shit”, and Lance’s takes felt very charitable and like he wanted to make an effort to address positives before then moving onto his criticisms. Not knocking the other guys’ style at all, just found it to be a refreshing, slightly different attitude that added a good dynamic. Sometimes I feel like Open Bar guests are hesitant to ever address positives if they’re discussing generally poor content
I am actually playing through Fallout 4 and downloaded Fallout new Vegas, got them on sale on Steam
Same. April 26th is the free next gen update for ps5 and xbox. I bought 4 for $5 and the season pass for $10
The show is skyrocketing game sales.
Fallout 76 is free on prime gaming right now as well.
@@justin9744 I've seen videos where people are really praising how good 76 is now. If i wasn't so busy i would get back into it
Have a great time!
First time, or a recent reinstall? Either way, have fun. ✌️ Ah, yes, play with mods at some point.
On a lighter note, '91 is when Nirvana released their second - and soon to be iconic album "Nevermind" . It hammered the final nail in the coffin of hair metal. YAY!
Soon to be iconic?
@@jayboy2kay7 Meaning it became iconic not long after its release. Clumsy wording. Didn't get my point across well. Hope it's clearer now.
Hair metal was a lot more fun than grunge or whatever you call Nirvana
1991 was also the year where the Black Album by Metallica, Ten by Pearl jam, BSSM by RHCP, Badmotorfinger by soundgarden, Wretch by Kyuss, Arise by Sepultura, great year for Metal and Rock
@@dimebag505 Great Choice of Albums and Bands. I would add to this collection the debut albums of two of my favourite bands ever: Porcupine Tree's On Sunday of Life and Motorpsycho's Lobotomizer. (The albums itselfs aren't their greatest efforts, but non the less good and the beginning of some excellent musical journeys)
As someone who played every Fallout game, even the shit ones, the show probably does the most damage to the continuity of the timeline.
Well, this and 76.
Regarding Goggins, The Shield and Justified are two really good shows. And as a bonus you get Olyphant in Justified. ;-)
Yes! Ty longman.
If you only played FO4, FO76 and FO3 and don't care about the world, consistency, good writing, then I guess Fallout was an okay TV show.
At the very least, it managed to capture a lot of the small charm of the world and had a ton of easter eggs.
I only know the Fallout games from friends. I watched the show and it was f-ing boring. Eastereggs aren't content. They are a small present on top, if the actual content is great. But it isn't.
@@Knaubloch Not just easter eggs if you don't know the game mechanics and perk lists that adds an extra layer of comedy. Person misses with Big Guns the skill was to low.
19:13 I dunno. My family did a road trip from DC to NYC, and it was about a 6-hour drive including stopping for food. Still not bad, but it’s not exactly a quick jaunt.
Darksiders mentioned🗣🗣🗣
I love the Fallout games and enjoyed the show but I do agree with some of the criticism. But this is a show that's canon to the games that has a lot of stupid shit in it. Like vertibirds and blimps are working but no cars or tanks? Nuka Cola and deviled eggs are still edible after 200 years? Hard to take the show too seriously when this is in the lore.
It shares the issue that plagues all the 3D Fallout Games and the show: Bethesda doesn't understand just how long 200+ years really is.
Bethesda Fallout is incredibly stupid, you're right. The boy in a fridge thing is a perfect example.
That does not even remotely work as a defense of the show, however. It just means that the games are dumb as shit as well
@@richter6699 Well im here to watch a show about a game that's dumb as shit. Why the hell woudln't the show also be dumb as shit if its properly evoking the same spirit of the games? I don't want it to be realistic. I don't play the games to be realistic either. I want it to be Fallout. And overall I think the show succeeded well on that.
Problem is a kid in the fridge maybe dumb, if you played Fallout 4, a side quest is finding a ghoul child who's literally been in a fridge for 200 years and you can sell him for bottle caps lmao
It's all over tik tok and Facebook shorts.
We have mutant bears, super mutants, ghouls. Talking robots, synths.
I mean we can't really fault the show for doing things all the games do can we?
@@bluecollarloser6654 Alot of people being critical either don't seem to know the lore/games as well as they claim to or are deliberately ignoring alot of that stuff and trying to hand wave it.
What you kids call helicopters are actually "Vertibirds" and they originate from the original game Fallout 2. They have been in pretty much all the Fallout games, since then. They used to be staple United States Military vehicles used for transport and as a gunship.
The BoS airships were introduced in the now non-canon Fallout: Tactics.
Bethesda then stole the idea and reintroduced them in Fallout 3.
The airship shown in the TV Show was not the Prydwen from Fallout 3, but a different airship.
They're basically the modern day version of Hueys from the Vietnam War, but with Tilt-rotors.
Yeah, the entire conversation about Fallout has taught me how little people know about the lore of Fallout while thinking they are nearly experts.
@@Ralathar44 Imagine saying that when the Brotherhood airships were reintroduced in Fallout 4 and no one here corrected that. Also what evidence is there that this isn't the Prydwen? Cause it wasn't in the show I'll say that right now.
@@The1337guy1 I dont think there is anything wrong with them not knowing the lore, but there is everything wrong in them criticizing the show based on a lore they know only patchwork at best and so keep getting things wrong.
Loved the contrary conversation about Fallout.
Yeah well, in our little world here, people can express differences in opinion with being dragged out and flogged, like WokeWorld..
I would like to point out that lucy said they don't have cavier so those are fish babies from the experiments.
How do Bob Iger and Kathleen Kennedy both still have a job?
Because you're childish enough like these spoiled brat youtubers to think it's about entertainment. It's about erasing and replacing a culture with Marxism. They don't need you to get paid, they get paid other ways, still by your taxes though. One way or another, you pay lol.
@@billybatts8283 Way to take a shit all over your point with the condescending.
The same reason some people like Fallout lol. There are enough people on earth with low standards that they can still deny that they made a dumpster fire.
They can chalk the failure up to simple bad luck, or blame the audience for not being open minded etc
It's our cross to bear. Igor and KK have run Disney and Star Wars into the ground.
Maximus is being patterned (it appears) on Captain Wilton Parmenter from the 1960’s Western comedy F-Troop. The theme song to the series explains that the good captain rises to recognition from being a bumbling enlisted bugler, when he accidentally sneezes into his bugle and changes a retreat into a charge that turns to victory. He also frequently has his fat pulled from the fire by his Uber competent girlfriend Wrangler Jane.
The show could be amusing at times, but could never be produced nowadays because of words & terms, such as pale face and red skin used in the intro song, and because of the comedic portrayals of white men and Indians.
I only watched "Scent of a woman" the other day. Was thinking, that would be up there.
39:13 the quality of their guns matter. These small town junkies have basically wood and spring guns so your not killing anyone
It's actually nice that we're at least having a spirited discussion about Fallout, and that people are putting forward such passionate and sincere and objectively wrong arguments about why it's so great.
It's guys in prison seeing a 5 for the first time in years and talking about her like she's a 10.
And the only people who'd know the difference are ones who haven't been dehydrated into little human raisins.
@@ephraimwinslowLet's be real, most guys are more fuckable than modern women.
yup but More people liked the show in every poll I seen, plus the audience scores. I think some are upset by this because they can't rage the way they want about it. The show was successful, it is what it is. The people that hate it are in the minority. This could very well change in season 2. Lucy wasn't a girl boss, and many expected it and was ready to trash it, now looking for anything to be upset about. I even seen some comments hating on the drinker for liking it. Many expected him to rip it.
@@ephraimwinslow Or just people who aren't expecting a rehash of a video game plot (that would be boring/unimaginative).
@@kicknowledgesmith8608 Drinker waited, 5 days I think? To see if he liked it. Okay.
You know, if the FallOut shows sucks, don't worry. They'll just have fans Mod the show. There are already nude mods in already!
22:46 Got news for you Gary out dollar was higher than yours right up until the mid-late 70s at one time.
The more you think about the show, the worse it becomes. It looks like Fallout, sure, but the set dressing isn't gonna carry it. People will forget. Bethesda writing has its grubby fingerprints all over this. In fact, if the sets and costumes weren't good, this would be only a step above the Halo TV show.
The use of music is ignored in your criticism.
In the game the use of music is pivotal
You're choosing what to include and what not to include.
@@DS94everXev How does that respond to anything I said? If it looked like ass and had the same music as the games, would it still matter? If it had bad music and good sets, would it be bad for you? I didn't talk about the acting, and you didn't bring it up, so does that mean neither of us have thoughts on it? I know you're not meant to get into arguments online, but really, you couldn't have gone more non sequitur if you tried.
@@DS94everXev But on the off chance you're arguing in good faith, the argument is that if the sets looked like shit, the writing doesn't hold up, so not as many would like this show. Which is what's going on over at the Halo show. And shitting on canon is bad. Main argument: good writing is essential. Your comment about the music doesn't respond because I would just say, "So the music's good, the writing's still shit. And omitting, willfully or not, the canon."
@@ambrnonya 😂 What a loser you are. You are ignoring the audio of the show. So the show looks and sounds like Fallout.
But you're crying it isnt.
@@ambrnonya Critical Drinker is an actual writer. I'm betting you aren't. He knows what's acceptable to move a plot forward.
He liked the show. What about the writing is awful? The randomness of meeting people?
Because yesterday I met a man who was at the same place I was 2 days ago and there is no way you'd ever guess both of us were at that location 2 days ago and then met yesterday at a very different location.
Mauler is crying about literally life. He's saying "impossible" to life.
Bethesda Games don't really have a great main story. It's hard to have one when you can choose to ignore it for 1, 10, 100, 1000 hours doing other things that have zilch to do with the story. It's about being in the world. Do you buy you are in that world?
THAT'S ALL THAT MATTERS.
Fallout doesn't have prestige writing in it!! Are you playing the game for the writing? 😂
When you make a tv show of such a property what matters most is getting the feel and sound of the game accurately. Fallout did just that.
The last of us did that well. Fallout did that well. I will never watch Halo show because i could care less if the game ever existed and its on a platform I will NEVER pay for. So I can care less about it.
By ignoring music you're ignoring what is the strongest aspect of Bethesda games. It's the music in Skyrim that gets you so excited. Not the graphics! Not the story! When that dragon comes and the music swells, its game time baby!!! It's THE MUSIC that I look up on UA-cam to watch. Almost never the graphics and never ever the storyline (AKA wtoting)
In Fallout it's the old 50s 40s type music that matters most. In that great Fallout 3 trailer its THE MUSIC that really grabs you.
But you think it's the storyline and the writing? Because it's pretty ordinary standard been done a trillion times before stuff. Good guy in world tries to save people from bad guy's. Yep. That's all there is to tell story.
No It's the ambiance. The feeling you are there that makes the games great or awful. And music creates ambiance. The right track matters at the right time.
I can't name you a game I really liked with bad music. The fact you ignore music in the media is absurdly shortsighted.