Thank you all so much for watching! If you haven't seen part 1, I highly recommend you do as it provides critical context for the M3's creation and development. And of course thank you again to Red Wrench for being part of this project! I'll be hosting a Q&A about the M3 and this video series on a live stream this Saturday (12/9/2024) at 3PM EST, so if you'd like to be apart of that set a reminder! Of course you can also always join the discord and ask a question there, link in the description! Which part was your favorite? What was something you learned in this series that you didn't know before? Let me know with a comment!
Even before this, the M3 Lee was my favorite tank. I knew full well that it was a deeply flawed design, but it failed so the Sherman could prosper. It was interesting to learn more about so much of the minute design differences in the tank and its service in countries other than the US and UK. I think I'm quoting the pig in saying "The tank that you have is better than the theoretical one you don't," and the M3 was that tank.
Eta, at the end when you kept touching, patting, and dusting off the M3 reminded me of The Lost World Jurassic Park line that Malcolm utters when Sarah touches the baby Stegosaurus, "She has to touch it. She can't not touch. Look at that, when she sees something, she's gotta, she's gotta."
In reference to later M3s being built without functional side doors, this caused some consternation in Australia. The Australian Chief of the General Staff famously wrote to the Federal Minister for the Army in April 1943, asking why Australia had received “defective tanks” that lacked any side doors.
Learning there was a cast M3 makes me even madder that in war thunder US low tier hasn't gotten anything new (excluding one singular AA) since... well... forever
@Norwagen yeah. They keep selling DLC worth 2 games I can guarantee this little scheme is gonna topple over, it's like a dessert without a meal of anything of substance to support it
Regarding Australia M3 despatches and arrivals, 255 Lees and 522 Grants were sent to Australia from US plants (777 in total), however only 757 ended up in the local inventory due to losses during shipping. Reference: ANZAC Steel article written by Paul Handel.
1 candlepower is 12.57 lumens. That's a hell of a lamp. The theory was that it would ruin the night vision of anyone in the spotlight by causing their eyes to readjust to the bright light
I love that you collaborated with Red Wrench, you are my favourite tank UA-camrs and I learned a lot from both of you. I hope there will be more collabs!
Amazing video, I've always loved the Lee with it's functional weirdness I'm surprised the Ram tank wasn't mentioned due to the Canadians basing it off of the Lee's hull. Regardless tho, it was nice seeing the lee being talked about
Mild correction, sheared rivets don’t send red hot metal shards flying through the tank, it only sends normal temperature metal shards flying around the tank, mildly detrimental to one's prolonged well-being.
So yes, I did subscribe to your channel and just finished watching the second episode on the Lee and Grant tanks thank you so much for this series. These tanks are definitely my favorite and I totally agree they never get the recognition that they should. The episode from the Australian armor Museum, where they restored one and also found I think it was four more was one of my favorite series from the museum. if I could ever afford to buy a vintage World War II tank, it would definitely be a Lee or a Grant and not a Tiger 👍
Outside the Patton Museum on Fort Knox there's a M3 that has this toothed comb thing on the front and I've always wondered what it is. It's also on a few of the M4's.
It’s there for setting the parking brake when the tank is in transit overseas. You set a wire around the steering tillers, and pull it through a hole in the front of the tank and hook it onto the comb. This pulls the tillers forward and holds them there to keep the tank from rolling around. It’s not only on M3’s and M4’s I’ve personally also seen one on an M20 armored car
M3 is my favorite. I remember going to the Aberdeen proving ground with my Father when I was around 12 years old. I saw this weird looking thing on the way in and it stuck with me. As I learned more about that mutant I grew to love and respect it. Wasn't there some sort of navigational system for the M3 in the desert? Not just a sextant and/or compass but some sort of almost analog GPS sort of thing?
I have no idea but could you be talking about LORAN. As far as i know it was around during ww2 but was a naval navigation tool. I have no idea if the system was also used in the desert.
You missed the Australian conversion of M3’s into a version of the Priest with Australian made 25lb guns as the “Yeramba”. Australia also got M3’s from the Middle East at the end of that campaign.
38:24 Let us pray🙏😇 As good as this video on the Lee/Grant us, and it is good, you haven't finished the entire history until you rain down the fire and brimstone upon the heathens and non-believers!😊 She was the _erector set_ tank that was cobbled together with and by industrial and army cooperation that along the way built the knowledge, skills, and tools to build an efficient and effective system of mass production. Excellent job relating the history of the old girl. She did well and so did you. Subscribed.👍🏻
Well done , l 'am surprised that l sat down and watched two and a half hours of this , worth it .if you want to read more on the M3 in Burma , get the book by Jack Bowsher called " FORGOTTEN ARMOUR. "Tank Warfare In Burma
i find it funny that the sign of the M3 nr2 says M3A5 on it despite clearly beeing rivited and not welded. plus the naming of "Lee Grant" and "General Lee" also seems odd
28:46 many of these images show "sunshield" camo used during Operation Bertrum. they were designed to misdirect the german forces and disguise the true locations of british tank forces. disguising tanks as trucks and leaving dummy tanks a days travel behind the armour. these disguises were successful at misdirecting the german forces and the british were able to surprise them with their armour a full day before the germans expected to see them. I am unaware as to whether these sunshields were ever used in combat due to their flimsy nature, being canvas over a steel tube frame. however they were designed to fool recon aircraft and did so exactly as desired.
I am working on a small little personal project for myself. I am trying to find good proof that there was a tank/tanks being used in Iceland by either the Icelandic government or search and rescue associations. This all started when me and a friend of mine were chatting one evening on Discord when he happened to mention a SAR association fielding a tank in the past. At first, I thought he was talking about an armoured car gifted by the german government in '01, but it was apparently older. How do you go about researching something like this. I have tried and tried again, read too many news articles, but each one leads to another dead end. The closest I got to finding a tank in SAR service was a news article from '69 where some guys were modifying a tank to fit the needs of SAR. I find a long obituary from '97 for a guy who was a part of said SAR association and a lifelong mechanic, but it turns out to have been a big agricultural tractor on tracks :(
I've always felt the M3 is underrated. Its definitely not the best tank, but its also definitely not a 'coffin for seven brothers'. Perfect? No. Made on the spot basically being improvised in about a year, its pretty *ok* as a ww2 tank and better than almost all interwar designs. And still did decently enough with ww2 tanks. Not great, but still shot at the enemy and would hit them.
Yea, when looking at interwar tanks, it's wild how wacky they got. M3 still went down a design path that was basically a dead end (sponson gun, multiturret, huge), but it still executed those concepts to an acceptable degree.
I have a question about the M3's steering gears. From what I recall, M4's used similar diffs to what cars had, due to being made by automotive companies. Or was it the Clectrac thing that's what's referred to a double diff? I always thought of double diffs being the stuff in like, Cromwells.
I've heard so many terms thrown around for what the differential is on the M3/M4. From "Double Differential" to "Cross Drive Transmission" as well as "Cletrac" unfortunately I've yet do dedicate a serious amount of time figuring out if these are all terms for the same thing or if they are different.
@@eta320 Ah yeah, tank steering solutions are wack. I've once spent like 2 weeks just trying to figure out the power paths through them when various clutches or brakes are applied on the more complex systems. Unfortunately a site with really good visual aids stopped being kept online, though it still kinda exists in the internet archive
I might got lost in this but the M3 Lee you were standing next to in the video is one of the first ones right? So why the sign there says it is M3A5? Was it like modified later in its life or something?
You shown video and gave factual detail about the M3 in asia that it can climb steep terrain, yet feel vindicated and agreed with the German and Russian reports of the tank not able to climb? How would that make sense? Just saying.
@@loyalgamer896 The Soviet/German reports are specifically about climbing vertical obstacles like a short wall or a large rock, going head on to a solid surface to go up and over. However climbing a large hill or steep slope isn’t quite the same, the complaint of the transmission sticking too far out so the tracks can’t grab the obstacle to get up and over don’t really apply since it’s just about torque and traction with the hill.
Thank you all so much for watching! If you haven't seen part 1, I highly recommend you do as it provides critical context for the M3's creation and development. And of course thank you again to Red Wrench for being part of this project!
I'll be hosting a Q&A about the M3 and this video series on a live stream this Saturday (12/9/2024) at 3PM EST, so if you'd like to be apart of that set a reminder! Of course you can also always join the discord and ask a question there, link in the description!
Which part was your favorite? What was something you learned in this series that you didn't know before? Let me know with a comment!
Typo, third paragraph, last sentence, “as” to “ask” 👍
The U.S. Navy stripped all internal paint off their ships during WW2 precisely because of fire problems.
cant believe RedWrench finished the M3 L33 guide after Etward 320 died, fly high eta! 🕊🕊🕊🕊🕊
Channel vs person I hope!
Even before this, the M3 Lee was my favorite tank. I knew full well that it was a deeply flawed design, but it failed so the Sherman could prosper. It was interesting to learn more about so much of the minute design differences in the tank and its service in countries other than the US and UK. I think I'm quoting the pig in saying "The tank that you have is better than the theoretical one you don't," and the M3 was that tank.
Eta, at the end when you kept touching, patting, and dusting off the M3 reminded me of The Lost World Jurassic Park line that Malcolm utters when Sarah touches the baby Stegosaurus, "She has to touch it. She can't not touch. Look at that, when she sees something, she's gotta, she's gotta."
In reference to later M3s being built without functional side doors, this caused some consternation in Australia. The Australian Chief of the General Staff famously wrote to the Federal Minister for the Army in April 1943, asking why Australia had received “defective tanks” that lacked any side doors.
Learning there was a cast M3 makes me even madder that in war thunder US low tier hasn't gotten anything new (excluding one singular AA) since... well... forever
Why do that when you can just sell another T-80 or Leopard? Easy money for Gaijin
@Norwagen yeah. They keep selling DLC worth 2 games I can guarantee this little scheme is gonna topple over, it's like a dessert without a meal of anything of substance to support it
Eta320 is just like the American 75mm cannon
They're both fucking awesome and can penetrate ~100mm of armour
Real
Real
He also has a high rate of fire. I thought part two was coming in a couple weeks at least
He also packs a pretty good HE round
Regarding Australia M3 despatches and arrivals, 255 Lees and 522 Grants were sent to Australia from US plants (777 in total), however only 757 ended up in the local inventory due to losses during shipping.
Reference: ANZAC Steel article written by Paul Handel.
Omg I thought I was going to have to wait weeks for the second part but here it is! Eta fans eating good tonight
Great video eta! Excellent collaboration gentlemen 😊
I would really like a comprehensive video about the M7. How did it perform, what battles did it engage in, how was it's mobility leveraged, etc.
1 candlepower is 12.57 lumens. That's a hell of a lamp. The theory was that it would ruin the night vision of anyone in the spotlight by causing their eyes to readjust to the bright light
I love that you collaborated with Red Wrench, you are my favourite tank UA-camrs and I learned a lot from both of you.
I hope there will be more collabs!
1:11:42 "They were there when they were needed" can sum up half of what's great about the M3 in general.
Amazing video, I've always loved the Lee with it's functional weirdness
I'm surprised the Ram tank wasn't mentioned due to the Canadians basing it off of the Lee's hull.
Regardless tho, it was nice seeing the lee being talked about
I deemed the RAM too far removed from the Lee to be part of this video
Yeah thats fair.
The ram really is just an odd in-between of the lee and sherman with a British accent lol (or more of a Canadian accent XD)
Mild correction, sheared rivets don’t send red hot metal shards flying through the tank, it only sends normal temperature metal shards flying around the tank, mildly detrimental to one's prolonged well-being.
Absolute cinema.
ok having music disc chirp in the background music is pretty neat. also really great video wonderful job!
I'm playing WarThunder while watching this.
#ETA320
Yknow the M3 is probably the most warhammer tank America ever made
Excellent work, best video you've made yet!
So yes, I did subscribe to your channel and just finished watching the second episode on the Lee and Grant tanks thank you so much for this series. These tanks are definitely my favorite and I totally agree they never get the recognition that they should. The episode from the Australian armor Museum, where they restored one and also found I think it was four more was one of my favorite series from the museum. if I could ever afford to buy a vintage World War II tank, it would definitely be a Lee or a Grant and not a Tiger 👍
Eta the M3 tripped on an obstacle, so that the M4 could drive over it.
Collab of a century! Its really nice seeing borh of your fav people team up
Outside the Patton Museum on Fort Knox there's a M3 that has this toothed comb thing on the front and I've always wondered what it is. It's also on a few of the M4's.
It’s there for setting the parking brake when the tank is in transit overseas. You set a wire around the steering tillers, and pull it through a hole in the front of the tank and hook it onto the comb. This pulls the tillers forward and holds them there to keep the tank from rolling around. It’s not only on M3’s and M4’s I’ve personally also seen one on an M20 armored car
@eta320 Thanks bro!
Never thought I'd ever feel sad, about the M4 Replacing the M3, yet here we are.
M3 is my favorite. I remember going to the Aberdeen proving ground with my Father when I was around 12 years old. I saw this weird looking thing on the way in and it stuck with me. As I learned more about that mutant I grew to love and respect it. Wasn't there some sort of navigational system for the M3 in the desert? Not just a sextant and/or compass but some sort of almost analog GPS sort of thing?
I have no idea but could you be talking about LORAN. As far as i know it was around during ww2 but was a naval navigation tool. I have no idea if the system was also used in the desert.
Ever since i learnd of the cast m3 lee (which is about a year ago) i didnt know i needed to hear the validation of it being cursed 6:45
Great video man
Watched and listened to, in a row, and feel cool
Perfect content to watch while burning fuel
Pepper pot filter on exhaust? Weird.
Edit:silencer! Now I get it.
You missed the Australian conversion of M3’s into a version of the Priest with Australian made 25lb guns as the “Yeramba”.
Australia also got M3’s from the Middle East at the end of that campaign.
M3 lee/grant and variants my beloved
38:24 Let us pray🙏😇
As good as this video on the Lee/Grant us, and it is good, you haven't finished the entire history until you rain down the fire and brimstone upon the heathens and non-believers!😊
She was the _erector set_ tank that was cobbled together with and by industrial and army cooperation that along the way built the knowledge, skills, and tools to build an efficient and effective system of mass production. Excellent job relating the history of the old girl. She did well and so did you. Subscribed.👍🏻
Grab your bomber jacket some biltong, coffee, or tea and recline next to your fireplace. Its time to learn about rhe M3
Well done , l 'am surprised that l sat down and watched two and a half hours of this , worth it .if you want to read more on the M3 in Burma , get the book by Jack Bowsher called " FORGOTTEN ARMOUR. "Tank Warfare In Burma
Hey, you forgot the T36 40mm GMC, which was as it sounds, a 40mm bofors in an armoured turret on a M3 medium hull
Another day late to work. Please, there’s got to be a part 3 in there, somewhere.
Have you ever seen the movie Sahara? It's about an m3 crew in Africa starring Humphrey bogart
Eta320 I am beyond happy to know that you're going to make the IS-7 video next! Ri...right?!?! Yes?!?!?!?!
Was NOT ready for the hoi4 OST intro music, alas, comments for the comment god
RED WRENCH IS ACTUALLY A GIRAFFE AND SO IS ETA
i find it funny that the sign of the M3 nr2 says M3A5 on it despite clearly beeing rivited and not welded.
plus the naming of "Lee Grant" and "General Lee" also seems odd
28:46 many of these images show "sunshield" camo used during Operation Bertrum. they were designed to misdirect the german forces and disguise the true locations of british tank forces. disguising tanks as trucks and leaving dummy tanks a days travel behind the armour.
these disguises were successful at misdirecting the german forces and the british were able to surprise them with their armour a full day before the germans expected to see them.
I am unaware as to whether these sunshields were ever used in combat due to their flimsy nature, being canvas over a steel tube frame. however they were designed to fool recon aircraft and did so exactly as desired.
So sad I'll be in school when this goes up
I feel you, luckily for me it is night
O.o I had no idea there were so many M3's
I honestly thought it would take a month for part 2, glad I’m wrong lol
I am working on a small little personal project for myself. I am trying to find good proof that there was a tank/tanks being used in Iceland by either the Icelandic government or search and rescue associations.
This all started when me and a friend of mine were chatting one evening on Discord when he happened to mention a SAR association fielding a tank in the past. At first, I thought he was talking about an armoured car gifted by the german government in '01, but it was apparently older.
How do you go about researching something like this. I have tried and tried again, read too many news articles, but each one leads to another dead end.
The closest I got to finding a tank in SAR service was a news article from '69 where some guys were modifying a tank to fit the needs of SAR. I find a long obituary from '97 for a guy who was a part of said SAR association and a lifelong mechanic, but it turns out to have been a big agricultural tractor on tracks :(
Love the liberal use of TF2 music, always appreciated.
The TF2 music caught me off guard
Is the M3 possibly the most successful and produced multi-gun tank in history?
I've always felt the M3 is underrated. Its definitely not the best tank, but its also definitely not a 'coffin for seven brothers'. Perfect? No. Made on the spot basically being improvised in about a year, its pretty *ok* as a ww2 tank and better than almost all interwar designs. And still did decently enough with ww2 tanks. Not great, but still shot at the enemy and would hit them.
Yea, when looking at interwar tanks, it's wild how wacky they got. M3 still went down a design path that was basically a dead end (sponson gun, multiturret, huge), but it still executed those concepts to an acceptable degree.
Can you please do one with the T 55
there is footage of some lees late war in germany not sure of their assighments
13000000 Candle Power = Lumens:163410000
i think its so goofy how well know train manufacturers like alco and baldwin locomotive works built tanks in ww2
I have a question about the M3's steering gears. From what I recall, M4's used similar diffs to what cars had, due to being made by automotive companies. Or was it the Clectrac thing that's what's referred to a double diff? I always thought of double diffs being the stuff in like, Cromwells.
I've heard so many terms thrown around for what the differential is on the M3/M4. From "Double Differential" to "Cross Drive Transmission" as well as "Cletrac" unfortunately I've yet do dedicate a serious amount of time figuring out if these are all terms for the same thing or if they are different.
@@eta320 Ah yeah, tank steering solutions are wack. I've once spent like 2 weeks just trying to figure out the power paths through them when various clutches or brakes are applied on the more complex systems. Unfortunately a site with really good visual aids stopped being kept online, though it still kinda exists in the internet archive
Was not expecting a part 2 so soon
23:10 ... Heh. 'Grant'ed
Part 2 already well well well don't mind if i do
Gooners 🤝🏻 AFV enthusiasts
Liking "S.P.H."
I might got lost in this but the M3 Lee you were standing next to in the video is one of the first ones right? So why the sign there says it is M3A5? Was it like modified later in its life or something?
I think it’s a mistake. The tank doesn’t have a diesel engine so I have no clue why it’s labeled as an M3A5
Bro not gonna mention the Ram 1 and 2?? Aren’t those technically M3 Lee modifications?
I deemed the RAM too far removed from the M3 to be mentioned in this series.
so part 3 when?
You should do a british tank next! There are so many unique tanks from there.
Or maybe do a vid on the Australian AC1?
Panzer 2 better
Edit: you should totally do a video on the panzer 1 and 2
Than what? It's more of a tankette with 20 mm guns.
You shown video and gave factual detail about the M3 in asia that it can climb steep terrain, yet feel vindicated and agreed with the German and Russian reports of the tank not able to climb?
How would that make sense? Just saying.
@@loyalgamer896 The Soviet/German reports are specifically about climbing vertical obstacles like a short wall or a large rock, going head on to a solid surface to go up and over.
However climbing a large hill or steep slope isn’t quite the same, the complaint of the transmission sticking too far out so the tracks can’t grab the obstacle to get up and over don’t really apply since it’s just about torque and traction with the hill.
Eta do the Patton series of tanks.
Wait Red did it already
Ha! You pronounced Knudson with a K sound! XD
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