A Slightly Confusing Guide To The Panzer IV
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- Опубліковано 14 чер 2024
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I’ve chosen the Panzer IV to look at today, not just because it’s a rare tank to see up close here in the states, but it’s also just such an interesting tank to me, because amongst all of the German WWII tanks people love to fawn over, the panzer IV is kind of the most low key… it’s not the famous and feared Tiger, it’s not the cute and lovable workhorse Panzer III, and it’s not the competition for first MBT/peak of German engineering Panther. It’s just sort of, the Panzer IV.
So naturally, I wanted to do a deep dive, and figure out what, if anything, actually makes the Panzer IV special. And hopefully, we learn a little something about ourselves along the way :). In this video, I’ll be going from the inception of the Panzer IV, all the way to its end, going variant by variant explaining all of its details and shortcomings, and to provide for the common tanker a compressive video. This is, a slightly confusing guide, to the Panzer IV!
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Research Sources:
Books -
- "Encyclopedia of German Tanks of World War Two" by Peter Chamberlain and Hilary Doyle
- "Panzer IV & Its Variants" by Walter J. Spielberger
- "Panzer Tracts No. 4-3 Panzerkampfwagen IV Ausf.H/Ausf.J, 1943 to 1945" by Hilary Doyle, Lukas Friedli & Thomas Jents
Online Sources -
panzerivuniverse.phelpscompute...
www.tankarchives.ca/2017/01/p...
tanks-encyclopedia.com/ww2/ge...
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forum.axishistory.com/viewtop...
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Czech Rebuild Panzer IV's
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0:00 Intro
1:54 Thank You Patrons!
3:13 Intro
4:00 Chapter 1: Genesis
10:19 Chapter 2: Ausführung durch Ausführung
40:59 Chapter 3: Over performer, Underachiever
58:07 Final Thoughts - Розваги
Hey all! Thank you so much for watching!
This has blossomed into my biggest project yet, and I couldn’t be happier with the results. Of course as always criticism and extra tips are always appreciated.
List of Corrections (will keep updating):
- “Vorpanzer” is not pronounced with a typical ‘V’ like in English, but more like an ‘F’ sound. In the future I will consult translators!
- The Panzer IV J did not actually switch to 3 return rollers until the summer of 1944
- Later in Ausf H production, the side viewports in the turret doors were also deleted
-Finland did use their Panzer IV’s in combat during WWII
We do not speak of '99
All I care is about what song is played from 33:49. So catchy that I couldn't follow what you were saying.
Song is Professor E. Gadd theme from Luigi’s Manson
The M in TRM is for Magnetzündung - magnetic ignition - and just allows the thing to work when there is no energy storage (eg. a battery) for spark.
TR is for Trockensumpf, so it's a dry swamp design.
(TU would indicate the presence of an oil pan)
120 is for displacement
HL is for Hochleistung - high performance
as opposed to NL (eg. NL 38 in Pz. I), Normalleistung - standard performance.
Those indicate something about specific power (in rel. to mass). I don't know what exactly, but there seems to have been a mass to power relation that dictated which engines were used for which application.
On some engines you will find designations such as P[number] and G[number], these indicate specific design purposes, P (Panzermotor) is a tank engine and G is a generator.
Even though there were other designations, these would be rare (there is one for winches) since trains and boats always used diesel or some kind of steam turbine or steam engine and even though Maybach produced diesel engines, these had different designations altogether, same with engines for civilian applications (like the W series for cars) and engines for airplanes and airships.
Maybach also licensed their engine designs to other companies (like BMW).
The Maybach luxury cars were only a small subsegment of what was essentially a big engine manufacturer that produced engines for all kinds of applications (a bit like Rolls Royce).
@@eta320You should make more Sprocket videos. It is very rare to come across a UA-camr who actually puts joy into their builds, yet maintaining realism. I also really like your tank designs. Maybe try leaning more to a KV-like tank next video for Sprocket?
The Germans got real creative naming their medium tanks
Tank4 tank5:panther
@@clayfuller5547doesn’t panzer mean armored (if you correct this comment you like men)
@@Madduckk ´no panzer means tank and panzerung means armor
@@Madduckkpanzer means armor and tank.
@@Madduckk Panzer is more like a shortcut for "Armored vehicle" which became an own word for its popularity like the word "tank" in english which started as a cover up name.
You know, whats kinda scary? The fact that there's a small, but not impossible, chance of a tank crew being given a First Production Panzer 4 Ausf.A with a long 75mm, Side Schürzen and perhaps a new engine, and told to fight M4 Shermans or T-34-85's with a grand total of 14.5mm of frontal armour, I do not envy these hypothetical Crewmen and their very very unenviable task.
It's ... probably somewhat usable as a purely defensive, dug in position, like the thinly armored TDs Germany also used. RIP if sent on an attack though.
I think they'll weld up additional plates on the front of the Hull and turret
Although the sides are still gonna stay 14.5mm + 5mm Skirts
When Romania was forced to turn against Germany, R35 VDC crews had a the possibility to face off against King Tigers.
I only thought that was only technically possible, then I found a photo of 2 abandomed King Tigers next to an abandoned R35 VDC. They absolutely dwarf it.
They would just send that to another axis country
They never had less than 20mm frontal armor, I don't get it.
Another fun fact about the F2 is that it was known as the Panzer 4 "Special" during the North African campaign. Hans von Luck speaks to that name during his autobiography "Panzer Commander". Also, initially in the factory it was known as the Panzer 4 Ausf. F-Umbau (modified) and some factories called it the 7./B.W.-Umbau (7th series of the Begleitwagen conversion). Due to all of these names the Panzer 4 F-2 takes the crown as the most confusing variant of the Panzer 4.
Understandably so, may i add
The british names them "Special" the germans named them Panzer IV Lang (long)
I know it would be absolute hell to make, but maybe a T-34 guide one day?
He's done a few t34 videos www.youtube.com/@eta320/search?query=t-34
The Utopian Tank might be the one you're after ua-cam.com/video/H7BCA4G1oiY/v-deo.html
From what I've heard from American WW2 tankers is that the biggest issue they had when it came to German tanks was the Panzer 4. It was the most common and being such a small tank it was easier to conceal in towns and woods. The Germans were very crafty at using the Panzer 4 in ambushes and it's 75mm high velocity gun could easily destroy a M4 Sherman. It was also a hard target to hit from a distance because it was so small and the Germans had plenty of them in France. The British sector had to deal with Panthers and Tigers but the Americans had a terrible time dealing with panzer 4 tanks.
The British and Canadians also dealt with more Panzer IVs and Stugs in Normandy than the Americans did.
the commonwealth forces in normandy overall faced much higher armour concentration than the americans
it wasn't really until after operation cobra that panzer divisions got to fight the americans
genuinely the best tank channel, you're so criminally underrated
If only bro posted more consistent vids tho
@@Teddymcfartsonhe’s the v sauce of the tank community
so true!
I'd heard that the Panther only became cheaper to manufacture than the Pz. IV by the end of the war (Panther Ausf. G)
The question then is
Which model of panzer 4 was meant?
Yeah panther are cheaper to manufacture but money is just printed in central bank, you still have to get more steel to make panzer v than a panzer iv.
@@ja_exe It is still easier to manufacture compared to a PzIV. You tried to sound smart and failed.
@@ja_exematerial usage isnt everything. Maschine time, man hours etc are just as important
That's because they gutted literally everything they could that wasn't absolutley essential. Mostly little things that you wouldn't notice right away but the big one was the power traverse motor for the turret, all the late variants had to be hand cranked to turn the turret
One of the most interesting vehicles of the war, the workhorse of a Medium Power that hit big
The only German Tank to see production from before the warbtill the end
And even saw service afterwards!
I adore this thing... Not so much the operators
Also fun fact: The AUSF. D, is the one the Anglerfish team uses, In Girl’s Und Panzer, it was modified then to the F2 and then, The H. Although, In Das finale Part 4, there seem’s to be a Kuromorimine Panzer 4 Ausf. G, with no Skirt’s and in a desert-like environment
dont spoil DF4!! rude!!!!
@@pomzieee9373 nah don’t worry, what i have just mentioned is in the trailers of DF4. i haven’t seen it yet since it hasn’t released in the west yet
@@PanzerHistorianDo you know when it'll release?
@@itsyvonblitz6819 unforutanetly, No i do not … although, there seem’s to be a “first 9 minutes” of the movie already on youtube in full japanese so yeah, theres that.
@@PanzerHistorian Alrighty, well thanks! At least now I know the Japanese dub is already out s we're not too far away das finale part 4
Only 20 more years for 5 and 6
Thank you for this amazing work. I hope one day you'll tackle the monstrous task of doing a comprehensive guide to T-54/55 variants
I think that it’s great that the Panzer IV was easily modifiable and adaptable for different technologies, but the problem is that the base Panzer IV is overall, fundamentally flawed.
It was a pre-war design. It's remarkable that it made it that far.
@@BHuang92 TBF, while it was a pre-war design, its internal layout, along with the Pz3, were pretty ahead of their time. Large, 3-man turrets, good vision for the commanders, radios, good mobility, turret could relatively easily accommodate better guns. It pretty quickly hit the weight limits of the suspension, but it was well suited for a competent crew to extract the maximum they could out of the vehicle.
In some respects the Panther was a step back in crew usability despite the greater potential of the vehicle itself. Somewhat similar to how the B1 was theoretically a powerful tank when it was introduced, the lack of good radio, cramped turret, lack of vision, etc, doomed most crews to struggle just to get around and fight what they were ordered to.
I'm not sure about "fundamentally flawed", if the tank could simply mount more weight reliably then it would probably never have been replaced. That's not a "fundamental" flaw, it's just a proportion flaw.
@@pedrofelipefreitas2666 What would a fundamental flaw be then? Many of the problems the Pz4 faced when installing upgrades stemmed from the initial decision to use leaf springs, which was fine for a lightweight support vehicle, but a problem for a front-line combat vehicle.
@@Appletank8 B1 had radios, but morse only... with one battalion (41st BCC) receiving voice-capable sets as attested by the use of aviator crash helmets to the whole tank crew (interphone?)
the main issue of the B1 is that it was a 1920's tank, conceived on a flawed premise that started being built at the same time as Pz III & IV started rolling out of the factories, but despite it's notorious production difficulties, was produced in roughly the same average rate as Pz IV (all models counted, Germany produced 367 Pz IV between 1937 and June 1940, while the French produced 389 B1 and B1bis)
talking of technical debt, the B1 was probably worse than the Pz IV, the turret was single man because it originally was supposed to be only armed with twin machine guns, the hydrostatic servo of the epicyclic transmission was notoriously difficult and the hull gun mounting posed structural issues, on top of the industrial accords regarding the production of said vehicle that handicapped it's production rate. things would have been better with the Ter, which revamped totally the hull construction and motorisation, but history is history, and the only 3 built vehicles are now resting with the fishes in the Gironde estuary
by a lot of accounts it was already obsolete when production started, mostly because the prototype phase dragged along for a decade and the French army was very indecise whether to make them or the D2, even after the Geneva accords that would have endangered the B1 were well behind
it had impressive characteristics, but also too many issues to be effective
1 minute in and I already love your work! Instantly subscribed when I saw you hugging armoured vehicles. IV Panzers out of Sonderkraftfahrzeugen 161/1, very relatable.
Bro, the amount of effort and research that goes into videos like this is insane. I wish I could subscribe a second time, because stuff like this is exactly why I subscribed. The incredible amount of research and dedication to tank knowledge.
Hope this video breaks a million!
The speaking tube is so much funnier than a electric bell.
I don't belive you mentioned the change in mounting of the kwk40 L/43 changing to the kwk40 L/48 very small detail but it did add and extra 10-20mm to penetrationg capability and was mounted on late ausf g's through to the ausf J's at the end. Great video man. Really loved this video on an overall underapreciated tank and I'm glad you put it in the light. ❤❤
I had my own rabbithole about a shell for the Pz.IV short 75 gun- War Thunder gives the StuG IIIA and Pz.IV F1 a better HEAT shell than any of their later successors- the Hl.Gr.38(C), with a purported 98mm of penetration. After these, only the Hl.Gr.38(B) is available, with a penetration that's worse by ~20mm.
I was -mystified-, but weeks of digging makes it seem apparent that the Wehrmacht just ran out of these rounds before even finishing the invasion of Poland, and they never got replenished
...I'm 10 minutes in, the foundations of my knowledge are already crumbling
Also, Flying School is my favourite BF1 tune by miles, bless you for using it
I'm finally done. Thankyou for good content as always, eta
That’s sf funny lmao
@@Schimml0rd I hope gaijin never notices how busted Hl.Gr.38C is, I have 4000 battles in the StugIIIA and need my fix
Tornados, Techies and Tanks isnt a bad name for a show based around the Tornado (plane), technical's and tanks
Gosh that was so good.
Just, fun vidoe to watch all round, very well presented, interesting info, I love it.
Now make TER to Company of Heroes 2 already
German tank engineers: okay lets make a line of tanks and what will we name them?
Hanz: Panzers?
German tank engineers: Yes! Were gonna use the word for tank and slap it on the name! Perfecto!
Hanz: schieße this guy is insane
fun fact, Panzer means Tank in German, so every time you say Panzer you’re just screaming tank, your German friend would be very confused on what tank you’re talking about
More specifically, they're Panzerkampwagens, Panzer is just short for that. And of all the major powers, only the British used only a name for their tanks. The US designated all of their tank as M followed by a number, and that would be their official designation on paper. And the Soviets designated all of their tanks with a T, IS, or SU prefix and a number and most, like the T-34 didn't seem to have an official nickname.
AFAIK they didnt use electric starter because it struggled to spin the engine until the oil was heated up. So, if you drove your tank and choked the engine, you could just turn it back on with electric starter. But starting cool engine with it, well, I dont think so.
I must see it
Hey Eta when you ever talking about the vorpanzer well im not qualified german speaker but the letter v sounds alot more like f so rather then sounding like vorpanzer it's more like forpanzer
Great video love it
Thank you! I’ll definitely be better about consulting translators for things in the future
Cant wait for the next episode of tornados, technicals, and tanks!
I just wanted to say thank you for the time you took to document and research this tank. I really enjoyed this!
Love the AAF museum, everyone check it out whenever they can. It is one of the few remaining private collections of armour and weapons in the USA. They are constantly under threat from the local government that seems to have a vendetta against them. They need our support!
Sadly the museum shut down a week after my visit. Lack of visitors and revenue meant they were losing money and after a time it was too much. Thankfully the tanks are being redistributed back out to private owners. But what happens to them after that I suppose we don’t know.
Wow that's really sad.
I have been 3 times. I will never forget the first time.
I was 13 and my parents and I were driving home from a family vacation and we just happened to drive past it. I begged and begged to stop. They turned around and my dad and I spent an hour there but we had to leave. A few weeks later we had the chance to make a day trip out of it. It really sparkles my love for tanks and history in a real, tangible way.
Great, now we need to see the Slightly Confusing Guide to the Su Series next. Also, imma save this video to put it in my playlist
a fantastic look at my favourite tank! thank you very much for this!!
Thank you for making this comprehensive video; I just found your channel, but I definitely appreciate your passion for military history and attention to detail! The Panzer IV is my favorite tank in history, and I'm always down to see others bring attention to its story.
The quality of your visuals (transitions, diagrams, etc.) is excellent, and you make a lot of relatable points to enthusiasts such as myself (e,g., how the Ausf. D is apparently the earliest most recognizable variant to the average viewer). Your pronunciation was great for the most part too, just a minor thing I'd point out is how "eu" in German is pronounced like "oi/oy" in English, so Neubaufahrzeug would be pronounced "Noi-bow-farr-tzoig". You pronounced "zeug" right, I just wanted to mention how the "eu" in "neu" would also be pronounced the same way, rather than like "new". Sorry for being pedantic!
At 54:07 regarding the COBI kit, I can confirm that the one you thought you were buying was set 2508 (with hull Schürzen), and instead you received the later version set 2508A (or 2508 Ausführing A, if you will), which had no hull skirts. I own both variants of the set, and the earlier 2508 had inaccurate triple-wide track links (i.e., Tiger/Panther) while the later 2508A had the better double-wide tracks, which help with proportions. The lack of hull skirts was regrettable, but COBI themselves mentioned an interest in making a future version of the kit with everything included. In the meantime, I cannibalized my 2508 to put hull Schürzen on my 2508A, which works nicely.
Keep up the great work, I'll be looking forward to seeing more of your content in the future!
the panzer 4 along with the stugs have always been some of my favorite german tanks
Bro over here teaching history and putting a little comedy at the same time mad respect
The Hl 120 TRM has 300 hp at 3000 rpm max performance, however continues performance for long marches is less, drivers werent told to keep at 2800 rpm to spare the engine. Tests for 320 hp at 3200 rpm were also done, but that overburdend the engine. And the difference in the name TR to TRM is the M stands for Schnapper Magnetzünder (Magneto) and other slight improvements. (Some sources also state 320 hp at 3000 rpm, but the original Source of Pz III Hull with diving componments states the HL 120 TRM as 300 Ps at 3000 rpm.
The fifth series (the small series 2 of the D) where panzers for the SS motorized units. The Germans got a plan for after poland to mechanize the SS motorized brigades but the plan got stoped when the Leichte Divisions got converted to Panzer divisions (the leicht do not use panzers 4, so they now needed it). The SS got stugs for they troubles, well half the needed strenght, but they got something for the France campaing.
I see a photo of panzer in a flowerfield on your back. What a cultured fella
Another banger as usual, unrelated question but where did you get the Galactic Republic phone case? That things sick
The galactic republic logo is a custom pop socket I had made and stuck onto the back of just a plain black plastic iPhone case
I could listen to this guy talk about tank history for hours
Germans: This vehicle has one more box of MG ammo somewhere in the corner. Ausf B!
While not a book, I would like to recommend the video series, "The German War Files", which has several videos, each dedicated to a type of war machine in the German land arsenal. The Panzer I-II, III, IV, V, VI, Stug, and Hummel apiece have a video. The documentary series is rather dry and British, but I prefer it that way. There isn't much attention paid to specifications, but rather to the career of each type - where they served, how well they fared, logistic issues, and so on. There are no interviews or CGI battles, just an Attenborough-like narrative.
This is so great, it's awesome thank you!
Average WWII weapons arms race:
Germany: A slightly bigger tank
The US: A portable *star*
Im not too fond of German tanks during WW2 but in WoT and WT, the Panzer IV is my consistently best German tank ive played and still like it!
I always thought they had the best looking tanks, and that's coming from someone who hates german ships with a passion.
@@pedrofelipefreitas2666wtf bro? Scharnhorst curves are unREAL
@Schimml0rd German ships are only good looking if you buy into the propaganda. It's like if you asked someone to draw a Japanese battleship but they had no sense of scale.
Watched this and the T34 vid, really loving the depth of research. Also loving the inclusion of objective truths and the reality of the situation at the time. It really helps form opinions without just looking at performance on paper in the war.
so Tank stuff is basically:
Americans in WW2 : Were the tank was build
Germans in WW2: The production line/order
wow... i remember when i subbed to you when you were playing sprocket and only was a few thousand big now your actually HUGE and the video quality is amazong
The unholy screams of Reed Timmer was not what I was expecting would precede a comprehensive overview of the Panzer IV... and I honestly can't complain.
Love the video as usual! You are absolutely my favorite tank youtuber by far!
Can't wait
Vorpanzer, try saying "Forpanzer" should be much closer to the real thing with your dialect. Also, it literally means "In front armor" and the electrical bell for the commander to gunner you can imagine like a doorbell. Awesome Content by the way, you got a new follower.
Thanks for making this awesome video
The Panzer IV is my favorite tank of all time so I quite enjoyed learning more about it from you :D
I acknowledge all of the Panzer IV's flaws and that its competition (M4, T-34, etc.) were better than it in quite a few ways, but I love the Panzer IV because it was the way it was, not because it was a "good" tank.
Also Vorpanzer just means "forward armor" and is basically just extra spaced armor on the tank. Panzer III L-N's additional front spaced armor can also qualify as "Vorpanzer" and there was even a protoype of the Tiger that was supposed to have "Vorpanzer"
Some early war panzer 4s were upgraded by add on armor and up gunned such as the panzer 4 in bovington tank museum it’s a panzer ausf A or E with extra armor and the 75mm gun
All panzer IV’s used a 75mm gun. The upgraded gun was the switch from the KwK 37 short barrel to the KwK 40 L/43 (then eventually the L/48). This change was made in March of 1942 and the first batch of tanks built with the upgraded gun was in the summer of 1942. Earlier model tanks such as A, B,C D, E, or F were upgraded with the new gun if they came back to the factory for repairs.
The Panzer IV at Bovington is an E model 100%
It’s funny seeing how many they made of each and you just gotta realize even the British outproduced the German Tanks
26:15 "Vorpanzer" means First tank in line or Tank that goes First so they were up armored to sustain enemy fire 👍
PvZ soundtrack slaps so hard
Pvz?
@@Schimml0rd Plants vs Zombies
This panzer's gotta flyy
If i remember correctly more rpm can mean more force for tracks
T-34s were used to quite some extent in the Middle-East and performed (mechanically) about as well as you'd expect. With most failures due mostly to lack of care if anything (and at this point they were wayyyyyyyyyyy past the designed service time lol)
Can’t wait
Loved the video Eta, have a great day
46 hours at the moment
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@@easternspy1739 thanks bro i just got back to youtube in a long time
Good News! the blue light did not die entirely, it became the blaupunkt radio, and there was a blue light that shone in my dad's 66 VW beetle when it was in some rare mode of whatever...it was not stereo, but it did light up sometimes. ;)
We need a panzer 3 video now
While the Panzer 4 was pushed far beyond what it was intended to be, and do, what was remarkable was that it could be pushed so far beyond its intended role.
Took germany half the war to realize that maybe they should be able to make allot of tanks? 😭
Nazis are, if nothing else, woefully incompetent at everything they do. It's by their nature.
Because they were winning WITHOUT making a lot of tanks before.
@@lyndoncmp5751 this is the most german line of logic I've ever heard
And even after that realization they barely outproduced Britain in weapons.
I really like that you put the Battlefield 1 music into the video
Love the vid! hope you had a great Christmas ETA and ik you’ll have your best year yet in 2024
Man, i hear the into music and all i can think of is deadly twister.... i miss those simpler times....
Stumbled across this channel by accident, but I'm glad i did!! Nice video man, keep it up!
In relation to the 4 D panzer with the 5 cm cannon , There were basically two reasons for its cancelation. Firstly, the 5 cm gun could be easily placed in the smaller Panzer III tank, with some modification. This was implemented in the production of the later Panzer III Ausf.J and L versions. While this gun had relatively good penetration capabilities for 1942, it would be quickly outclassed by superior enemy designs.The second reason for the cancelation of the 5 cm armed Panzer IV project was that the Germans simply deemed it a waste of resources to install such a small-caliber gun in the Panzer IV, which clearly could have been armed with stronger weapons.
0:45 Ah I see Eta's a fellow Imperial
It’s the galactic republic you uncultured swine
@@eta320 Your republic has failed you the empire took over
I'm absolutely dissapointed that you did not include the picture I proposed, in this video. I'm crying and shaking
Oh god I’ve forgotten? Had you reached out to me in discord? I get so many DM’s every day 😭
@@eta320 I wrote in #video-suggestions (I think that's how this channel is called)
35:33 aha! So that’s the model Schurtzen that the Anglerfish team’s Pz.IV has in GuP. Because in War Thunder we have the earlier straight down version, that allows room for Ostketten. Which means even with a custom GuP skin the Pz.IV in game doesn’t look quite like the one in the anime. As the side skirts don’t angle inwards in WT.
That should be an acual cartoon
Dragons/Drake being personifications of panzers, and the factories are instead hatcheries.
Starts off family-friendly. Proceeds to become a critique of genetic engineering, and the horrors of war.
The HL120TRM is exactly the same as the TR. The M signifies an impulse coupling on the magneto for the ignition that just helps out on engine start. I think the performance numbers were an error of some kind
In case you’re wondering the TR instead of TU signifies the use of a dry sump over a wet sump where TU represents a wet sump. The HL is for high performance engines and NL for normal performance.
Never heard about the electric start being hard on the engines. My grandfather served on pz4 and Panthers.
I spent a part of a winter in S Korea (maneuvers) -15 and listened many stories from Oompa about winters in Russia.
I haven’t looked into it but some engine have power cuvers so it it curve could have started to go down
The AAF Museum closed on Veteran’s Day 2023. I was fortunate enough to visit a week before and they were selling everything, tanks included. I purchased a wheel and shell canister and plan on making them into a table.
29:30 You forgot the step inbetween, as they had 3 other guns, the 7,5 cm K. L/33, the 7,5 cm K. L/41 and then developed the 7,5 cm K. L/34,5. The L/34,5 was also even mounted on an Pz IV Ausf. F1, it was a lengthened L/33, that now ended flush with the front hull, but both the L/34,5 and Pak 38 L/60 didnt perform as wished and so the Length limitation was lifted, the L/41 was also mounted on 3 different vehicles, a StuG III test bed for the Ausf. F, on the Pz.Sfl. II 7,5 cm K. L/41 and on the Eisenbahn Panzerzug 3. It was an improvement on the FK 16 n.A. L/36 and fired the 6,78 kg K. Gr. Rot Pz at 685 m/s (The requirement was to be better than the FK 16, with the basic requiremtn to have 650m/s, which was enove to penetrate the Char 2C front at above 500m).
And furhter deveopment with the L/41 and the Pak 40 lead to the KwK 40.
Wow, none of these guns were ever brought up in anything I read. I totally believe that it goes that deep, but even if I had access to that information, I probably would have left it out for time and simplicity’s sake
3:44 confirmed, eta320 was "Jschlatt" accomplice in "the incident"
The Pz IV / B.W. with tortion bar suspention was actually the Rauchwagen R.W., it was first build with the new Pz IV Ausf. B superstructure put on it, and a modified Turret with an 10,5 cm LeFH 16 L/22. Then the turret were taken off on a teststand for testing and the hull was further modified to be a Brückenleger.
Where did you read about this? I’d be very interested in learning further
@@eta320 Sadly not much, only that the B.W. II hull recived an Pz IV Ausf. B superstructure and the B.W. I turret, armed with an 105 mm gun. Some sources say L/16 (tho the only L/16 gun is the pre WW1 LeFH 98/09) but more likely, cince it also had smoke (Rauchwagen = Smoke Vehicle) the 10,5 cm LeFH 16 L/22 which was used even in WW2 on different vehicles. After they put it all together about 8 month later (iirc) they took off the turret, put it on a test stand. And further modified the hull to be a bridgelayer, as seen in your video. Edit: I also missread, where? Just went through a couple books on the internet, wherever google search lead me to, information on it is very rare, sadly.
Ty for awesome and detailed video ❤
i love the bf1 music in the background
Anyone who played Germany religiously in Company of Heroes 2 should know how important Panzer Iv was in holding the line against T34 and KV1 until more powerful tanks like Panther arrived to change the tide.
One possibility for the difference in the engines is the powerband. The later engine, with fewer hp, might make it's power in a range that is more useful than the previous engine did. Higher RPM power delivery, might have worked better for that variant, even if the max horsepower was less.
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I think you over estimate just how organized tank production was in the us. There are hundreds of M4s that came out of the factories with some differences from what model they were, and changes were often made randomly throughout production. The difference was that the American factories were not craft making tanks, they were using standard precise measurements to ensure everything worked together and as such could adapt much faster to changes.
Are you saying that the Germans didn't use "standard precise measurements" ? Where do you get this info?
I've visited the AAF Museum once before a few years ago and I've been meaning to go back. Unfortunately it's permanently closed now :(
I must commend you! You absolutely nailed that Panzer IV F2 desaster, which i expected you to get wrong, so im very positively surprised. GOOD JOB.
BUT. The muzzle break wasnt changed. Its a completely different gun.
The Ball-Shape Muzzle break is exclusive to the 75mm KwK 40 L/43, which is exclusive to the 7th Series F production run. Everything produced in the G (8th) production run was already upgunned to the 75mm KwK 40 L/48, which had the more commonly known muzzle break we all love so much.
There were actually L/43s without the ball muzzle break. Early Gs had L/43s without ball muzzle break. All Gs in Tunisia and Kharkov were L/43s.
According to Jentz the first 1,275 Gs built from May 1942 to March 1943 had the L/43. The L/48 didn't appear on Gs until late March 1943.
@@lyndoncmp5751 Thanks now im questioning my sanity.
I was so sure of that.
Lemme get back to you on this i must dig out my ole Panzer IV handbook.
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No worries. It's in the Jentz and Doyle book on German tanks. Plus if you look at all pictures of ausf Gs in Tunisia and Kharkov you can tell their 75s are not quite as long as the L/48.
Cheers.
@@lyndoncmp5751 Ok so, what i have here is (nothing special really) "Panzerkampfwagen IV - Workhorse of the german Panzertruppe" by Walter J. Spielberger & Uwe Feist.
While it buys into the F2 Fallacy, it too states the G's 75mm being L43 as well, be that without detailing specific production numbers about when the shift occurred.
And even from a front comparison, barrel elevated, some of the Panzer IV G's do seem offsettingly stubby compared against what you would expect.
Like it shrunk in the dryer or sum shit.
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Yeah I think Jentz must be correct with the date he gives for the change to the L/48 of late March 1943. He says ausf Gs with the L/48 were built from late March to June 1943, even though the ausf H, all built with the L/48, were being built from April.
Cheers.
The IS 7 is close....I can feel it
Going to upset some Centurion fanboys with this take but.... the Panzer IV was truly the first MBT of it's time, the platform was used in every role albeit with permanent model variants an deployed in every theater the germans were involved in.
Brothers Panzer IV
Love the authentic US Army cold Weather Jacket Replica. Used to have one myself until I wore it out. a very warm jacket in all but the coldest weather.
It’s actually supposed to be an American style 2nd pattern WWII Tankers Jacket. But I’m not too familiar with cold war stuff so maybe it looks like something else.
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T-34s served a short amount of time in the Gobi desert at the tail end of WW2, along side some M4A2 76(W)s.
They performed slightly worse than their US made counterparts, namely with battery trouble due to the heat.
Tank archives has an article on the mission "Shermans in "August Storm".
"im not gonna put this in the video" Me watching this in the video...
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I really loved this video (just like every Eta320 video lol) it made me jump right into war thunder with the Pz IV gunner sight and driver view only lol, I think the Pz IV is like the childhood tank of many tank enthusiast, I realised how much I loved it since BF 1942, but personal preference aside, I think is still a myth that if they were only stuck with the Pz iv production they would have won, just taking a brief look at the production quotas of every Panzer IV batch makes you sad comparing them with the T-34s or the Shermans quotas, no wonder why they gave up and then return to it mid war lol.
"I've heard cheaper to produce, but more expensive in material costs."
To me, it seems like the Panther has more "premium" materials compared to the Panzer IV, but in the components they do share (and by that I mean rivets, bolts and the like) the Panther uses less of them. I've heard that, cost-wise, the hull of the Panther costed as much as an entire Panzer IV (Ausf. H); This could indicate a difference in the building materials- a more effective, but expensive alloy being used in the Panther but also accompanied by simplified production (as you said, the Panzer IV had numerous "handcrafty" quirks that slowed mass production that either weren't present or were minor enough to affect very little of the production time.)
The higher material costs, are probably the result of the 5 beeing around 10 tons heavier. The 4 had a lot of articulatet armor plates, while the 5 was mostly straight plates. This made the 5 sheaper in manhours i think.
The higher material cost could also simply be a result of lack of materials as by 1945 the armor plates started to have quality issues.
We have a design of the Panzer IV with a Tiger's 8.8 cm gun, the Panther's Shaultrum, and a enlarged and enhanced hull with spaced armor and sideskirts. (Pardon my German, I haven't been there in forever)
Schmalturm as in narrow turret.
@@Ghostmaxi1337 Nein, as in the panther turret
@@Jadg.pz.kpfw.CC64-2M-Jumbo Schmalturm, is german and means Narrow Turret.
@@Ghostmaxi1337 The Panther turret with the gun mount that moves in all angles and it is slimmer because the Panzer IV hull.
@@Jadg.pz.kpfw.CC64-2M-Jumbo I dont know what you mean, it was never mounted on Pz IV because of the weight and i just corrected your horrible writing of Schmalturm. You wrote Shaultrum.