EZKeys 2 | The Jedi Mind Trick | Using MIDI OUT in 10 different DAWs plus advice | Toontrack
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- Опубліковано 2 чер 2024
- Make Toontrack's EZkeys 2 control your 3rd party plugins within your DAW. Here I give the setup and workflow demonstrated in the following DAWs; Pro Tools, Reaper, Ableton Live, Cubase, Studio One, Cakewalk, FL Studio, Garageband, and Logic Pro. May the force be with you.
Optimized Midi Out Workflows here:
Reaper: • Routing EZkeys 2 Midi ...
FL Studio: • Routing EZkeys 2 Midi ...
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00:00 - Intro to Midi Out
01:26 - DAW Workflow
01:56 - Pro Tools
03:10 - Reaper
04:10 - Studio One
05:37 - Ableton Live
06:31 - Cubase
07:22 - Cakewalk
08:17 - FL Studio
10:25 - Garageband/Logic
10:59 - Slow Attack Compensation
14:55 - Optional Optimization
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It took you a while to jump on EZKeys2 with a new video, but the wait was worth it. This workflow is genius. Your instruction was super helpful. Thanks much.
Good to hear, thanks!
wow we were just having this conversation in your Shootie School's Toontrack Speak Easy yesterday and wouldn't you know it you just leveled it up your the man shootie ! thanks for all your awesome tips
Great to hear!
I would never have guessed I could control another instrument like that. Amazing!! Thanks, Shawn.
This is exactly what I've been looking for. Thanks a lot for posting this. Great clear explanations!
Thank you for saying, dblock!
You're the man Shawn⛑! This really helps a great deal. I'm looking forward for more content on using EZKeys2, especially in a songwriting / arranging context. Keep up the amazing work!🙏
Thank you, Dino! Thanks for coming on as a member as well!
Thanks, Shawn. Another excellent explanation of a very useful trick. You rock!!
You're the best, John!
awesome tutorial ! thank you
You got it!
Great tip for Studio One :)
Thx Shootie, just what I was needing!!!!
Great to hear, David!
Excellent tutorial! Thank you!
Thank you, Mike!
Again very helpful info Shawn, thanks.
You got it, Bruce!
Super powerful piece of workflow here. Shootie helped me sort it on EZKeys yester year (roughly the same set up). Great for composing, writing and arranging. Also though trying different instruments and plugins - effectively an entire band/orchestra - efficient, money saving and very effective.
Thank you, Brent! I hope you’re well!
EXCELLENT TUTORIAL, A BIG HELP FOR ME THANKS 👍👍👍
Great to hear, Robert!
Excellent info!! Im looking forward to linking EZK2 to my B3 vst 👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼
LOL! That's funny you say that since it's basically the number one EZK sound expansion request... I'm surprised you're the first I've heard say that. Enjoy!
Just what I needed! Thanks Shawn... (Subscribed) 😎👍
Awesome, welcome!
I forgot about this video with everything i've had to try to learn... and now (with far more context), i'm far more able to digest it. THANK you!
Keep it up!
I had no idea this was possible. Thank you!
Awesome!!
amazing. Exactly what I was looking for.
Cool!
It's subtle stuff like this that really helps with making things faster and keeping everything ticking over. FL user here. Thanks for sharing this !
Great to hear, Arron!
Thanks, this was very useful...
Glad it was helpful!
Another way to compensate the delay of 3rd party VIs is the Nudge feature of EZkeys. This way a negative track delay up to 125 ms can bet set without dragging the MIDI off the grid, which makes copying/pasting of song elements much easier. Logic even allows to set a negative track delay for the channel, which works well with EZkeys.
Nudge is a great way. As for how to fix it in your DAW, that's a great comment thank you.
Super cool! I always copy/pasted the MIDI from EZkeys to other tracks in the DAW (in my case Ardour). This is much easier and more convenient when changing something afterwards. Thanks!
Great to hear, Holger!
Wow! Incredible video showing exactly how to do something that was only vaguely banging around in my head recently - & fantastic you spelled it out in so many DAW's!
Your timing was also incredible as I just got a new NI S61 MK2 keyboard in a special June sale bundle with Komplete 14 Standard at a great price (available most places). Figured I'd be able to do some composing with all my EZ products, esp.the awesome new EZKeys 2, & play back using other sounds, but had no idea how to actually do it, lol! Thank you so much!!!
P.S. See ya Sat at the next LIVE Shootie School hangout!
That sounds exciting. I've invested in Komplete as well, it's a great amount of stuff. ENjoy and thank you!
I have noticed that your channel have reached the 15000 subscribers barriere !!! Congratulations , well deserved 👍
Yeah, thank you Jim! Hopefully the next 5k won’t take too long.
Mind blown. Thanks!
Awesome!
Great tutorial, I had been placing my third party virtual instrument on the same track as EZKeys 2 in Reaper, and turning down the volume within EZKeys - same result.
By the way, your chapters in the video search bar show stuff related to an EZDrummer tutorial - just so that you know!!
I will check that out later, Leopold! And thanks again for the heads up!! Cheers
In the case of delayed output, (such as with a pad for instance) you can always skew the MIDI back a few beats in your bar's grid until it aligns with your chord changes. This may not be ideal in a live situation, but covers a compositional situation perfectly.
What would we do without you. You're the king!!!!
Thank you, Peter!
Brilliant cheers shawn great video so helpful 👍
Great to hear, Neil!
Shootie to the rescue once again!
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This is wonderful - thanks again !!!!!
Thanks for commenting!
thanks a lot ! 1st time on your channel and I love it (of course I subscribed) 👍
Thanks for taking the time to say, Paul. Welcome!
This is a great video, thanks
Thanks for saying!
You’re the best .. man !! Thanks a lot for this
good tip! thanks!
You got it!
Muchas gracias por su tutorial. Un fuerte abrazo.
Thank you, Pedro!
What an awesome tip. You are amazing thankyou
SPYDER!!!! You rock! Enjoy!
Thanks. Really helpful.
Great to hear, Ron!
By simply setting your 3rd party VSTi's track input to EZkeys, (or Captain Chords, EZplayer, Scaler 2, etc) and enabling the monitor button, you can have any VSTi be the MIDI source for any other VSTi as long as the input source produces MIDI output, (EZbass, EZdrummer, EZkeys, etc). If your host VSTi produces sound itself, simply set that host's output to none.
For Reaper, you don't actually have to open 2 tracks separately. EZKeys and your preferred sampler as FX in series in a single track should do the job.
So, you're saying that Reaper supports 2 virtual instruments on the same track? I could see this if one VST is say an amp sim and the other is a VSTi, such as Konatkt.
What you are implying is, Kontakt 6 and Nexus 4 playing simultaneously on the same track, for instance?
I’m a cakewalk user and I commented even before to see that you also show how to do it on Cakewalk.. once I got the info I was happy with it .. and than I discovered that you covered almost all the known softwares .. my respect for that effort . .. I subscribed because of your genuine generosity.. and yes that’s how to do it in Cakewalk and you can also uncheck the input echo when you want to record just hit the record button and you’ll able to hear what you’ll record ..
What a great message! Thank you for taking the time to comment, makes my night. Welcome Cat!
@@ShootieSchool thanks to you for all the good stuff you bring with such passion.. the pleasure is mine.
What I found works better than muting the EZKeys track in the DAW is to simple turn the "stop audio" slider down (bottom right of the GUI). That way you can mute and solo the other tracks without having to worry about how it affects EZKeys muting as well.
Super video.
You ask for easyer ways to do it..
In Reaper you could just grap the routing button on ezkeys 2, drop it on the next track and lurn the vol down in the routing window.
I love you’re tuturials, so thank you for sharing them.
Thank you, Jens X 2!!
Great channel
Thank you!!
💯 Thank you!
You bet!
Love your channel. I made an interesting "happy accident" in Pro Tools. I didn't mute my EZ Keys 2 track while playing a groove to trigger my ANA 2 bass patch in my midi track. The EZ Keys Groove played a very cool piano line over my ANA 2 bass patch. They worked really well together. It sounded best when using an EZ Groove that doesn't have too many notes in the lower octaves or it just get's flabby. But's it's something that could be easily edited.
Yes, a proper blending solution... that’s how it’s done.
Hey Shawn, dunno if you already discovered this and did a video on it but I just tried you're tip on EZ Drummer 3 and it works perfectly! I spent the past hour auditioning EZD3 patterns in Barrety 4, Massive X, Butch Vig drums and Empire Breaks! So much fun and potential!!!
Great to hear. Try it with two instances of EZD and blend kick/snares if you wish. An SD3 exclusive feature.
Sweet info Shawn , thank you . Out of curiosity , ive tried the same thing with ezbass , triggering modo bass , and that works great as well !
You know it, Jim!!! I'm working on a video just for that. Thanks again, take care!
what's interesting is the midi out feature has been on ezkeys for at least 7 years now
Yeah... I believe longer!
Bangin' tip. I just tried this with an old free synth plugin called Surge XT. I look forward to hooking this up to Spitfire Audio plugins. Endless value here.
I use Reaper mostly but glad to see a demo of Cakewalk in this vid. That DAW is also tied to a great community and backstory.
Great to hear, Steven. I get it, FL Studio was my first DAW over 20 years back, I have a soft spot for it... lol
Did you get this working with Spitfire? I tried the BBC Discovery and couldn’t get it work, but other instruments did.
@@TheEndOfThings I have not tried it yet but I have the free version that you have to request and wait 30 days for, then they offer a new instrument each month.
Stated differently, I do not have the commercial paid product. It is just a plug in, hard to imagine that it would not work but now I am intrigued to prioritize it.
@@stevendefino7485 Thanks for replying. So, using ProTools & EZKeys2, I did manage to get BBC Discovery (free version) to play the midi using Shootie’s method, although I can’t always replicate it and get output - it’s something of a hit or miss.
@13:10 (approx) re: "destructive" changes: Another and easy option is to simply create another song track and copy all the midi there; then move all the midi around. The 2nd track should work perfectly as a backup. Great video.
That's a great call, Steve! It was my afterthought as well. I miss stuff unscripted.
@@ShootieSchool Yet you still provide a great amount of info on the fly!
@@stevemcnamara2584 Thank you, man!
Thanks!
Thank you very much!!
Hi there I have been doing this in the original ezkeys for years and it is as you say really, really useful, as not the instruments in ezkeys are that great. The pianos are good but the strings etc and not great in EZK at least in my opinion anyway.
yup! A great workflow, Andrew
For FL Studio, I think it would be easier to simply set the MIDI out channel, load another plugin, and then set its MIDI in channel to the same number number. I use MIDI routing all the time and I've never had to reach for Patcher by necessity. It'll also be easier since your instruments won't be hidden inside of a patcher workspace - you can still have them all on the playlist and provide their own mixer channels.
The past few years on a few separate occasions I've asked communities/groups the proper workflow for this. I guess I never got my requests in front of the right people at the right time. Thank you so much for this, totally made my night. And it's now obvious since I've seen the midi channel input so many times. If you know of a good channel that is more into band music as opposed to EMD that teaches FL, please recommend. I really appreciate you taking the time to comment!
You’re right! However, patcher may be useful for layering to build out a big sound
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thanks for this video...just what I needed being new to toontrack.
I'm also an FL user studio user and if you are still looking for someone that teaches FL here is a guy I'm subscribed to...guy is like and FL guru...youtube.com/@inthemix?si=XJ9SYLoZxWChprao
This is cool - thanks! I've been looking for a composer plugin for Reaper that will take a chord progression and play patterns and arpeggios.
Awesome!
@@ShootieSchool And I tried this Jedi Mind trick in Reaper and it worked flawlessly!
Awesome Video, just a quick FYI, almost every modern daw will have in the track inspector a "Delay" or "offset"; I think this is a much better way then moving notes, getting notes off the grid is a bad idea in general because if you want to edit and move stuff around you will no longer on the starting of beats/bars and also if you change the sound, now you have to play around moving things, so again use the single setting on the track that controls playback timing, negative values shift regions back in time for a pre-delay (driving or rushing the music). In Logic the delay value is shown in both ticks and milliseconds. Again, almost ever DAW has this feature; change the sound later and just fix the one value :)
It's good advise to look into. Thanks!
Nicely covered. This is an excellent feature and it's the reason I decided not to buy the uJam product (even though I own most of their products already and am otherwise a huge fan). They refuse to release the midi output. It will cost me more to buy ezkeys 2 with an expansion but I think it's worth it.
What I want to know is, how do the expansion packs differ in the midi styles that they generate? I have a tonne of instrument libraries and I'm not very interested in paying for more sounds. I'm in it for the generative styles.
When you buy EZKeys2 or use the demo... on the Grooves Tab hit Webshop midi. You can preview 100% of their midi packs before purchase (not sound expansions).
@@ShootieSchool okay cool. Thanks man 👍
Great video, Brother! I just shouted you out on Twitter.
Thank you! Your the only guy who interacts with my posts there... lol! Thanks for that!
Hi! Thanks for the tips. Somehow (Studio one) I had to :
1. Ez keys input - Axiom (my midi keyboard 🎹)
2. Ez keys output - Falcon
3. Falcon input - Ez keys
4. Falcon output - Mix
This way i can play over falcon and try grooves on Ez keys2. Otherwise cannot. 😅
Interesting. Glad you got it to work!
Wonderful. Exactly what I was looking for! So why buy any toontrack extension? Thank You!
Great to hear! It’s just a matter of preference.
So in protools if you want to hear both the triggered sound and EZ keys sound you can just simply unmute the EZkeys track ? I was first and last on the list of my DAWs are Logic also seems as easy as it gets !
Certainly, simply unmute.
Danke!
Thank you for the support, Henry!
This is what I needed. I want to use Bandmate, but not with a piano.
Great to hear!
Hiya Shawn, Fantastic as ever, just not sure where my controllers might be, if any, in pro tools.
Colleen, define Controllers. A midi controller?
@@ShootieSchool yeah
I had a look at the vid again, I may have got the terminology wrong. It was the 2nd instrument track you made in Pro Tools, and the 3rd party plugin you put on it. Not sure where you got the 3rd party plug in from, or what it was?
@@colleenvarlow8764 Those are purchases from other companies. I use a lot of Native Instruments software. If you look in your Pro Tools Plugins under Instruments, you may or may not find some stuff in there to test this out on.
The overall idea is someone like myself spends a bit of money on third party plugins. But those plugins only generate sounds, they have no composing tools. So now I can use EZK2's composing tools with my other plugin investments.
@@ShootieSchool ahh I see. thanks
Did we ever resolve that copy trick from garage/logic to band mate?
I believe this is up to Mac and not Toontrack.
I'm using Cubase and when I drag and drop the midi from EzKeys2, it doesn't transfer the sustain information. I haven't found a solution to this
That great software,
for Logic Pro is OK as you did, it's easy to use.
But for Studio one for me, it's not work as you reviewed. But I used to drag and drop on another track for another sound on the studio one,
I don't know why its not work!!
NiCe...
Studio One on Mac, right?
@@ShootieSchool yes Mac mini M2 Pro
I was on Win10 in this vid. On an older i7 Mac it works exactly the same. That's the best I can report to you. I suggest making sure every step was followed. Otherwise, maybe explain the situation on an Ableton Live group/Support.
@@ShootieSchool yes sir, I did it as u did. For my PC Windows, it's OK everything. I can play, no problem. But only Mac mini isn't work! Thanks again for your support 🙏 👍 let me know.
What up Shootie, do you have any plugins about using Toontrack product with Ableton? I have seen several videos claiming these plugins don't work with Live....is this true?
They work fine… I have one I think…
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Can this same workflow be used for EZDRUMMER3 to midi out to say GGD or MixWave kits?
GGD has different mapping, so it will take some work. But yes, any virtual instrument for drums that uses general midi standard mapping will work.. Many Native Instruments drum kits for example.
Is it possible to this in ezkeys 1? It also has the option for MIDI out. Also can this be done in Reason 12? I’m not sure how it would work in reason 12
Yes to EZK. I use to do it all of the time. You'll have to take up routing midi in a Reason community. I'm not familiar.
Optimized Midi Out Workflows here:
Reaper: ua-cam.com/video/KKhqtf5xrQA/v-deo.html
FL Studio: ua-cam.com/video/fU2csRVr8jw/v-deo.html
Scaler is 3 times cheaper than EzKeys and can do practically everything that EzKeys can do (except for being able to edit midi inside the plugin).
The less expensive option and features are helping my wallet not hurt as much. Yet, I'm still wondering which one is the best?
I couldn’t tell you in detail, I’m learning scaler slowly. If money is the priority then you have your answer. I do disagree that one program can do everything or near everything the other can. There are two different markets. EZ is definitely easier hands down. Not necessarily more powerful though.
@@ShootieSchool yeah, I shouldn't have said everything.
When I have this Jedi Mind Trick set up in Logic and I try and work with EZ Drummer 3 at the same time (having it selected), EZ Keys 2 will play the EZ Drummer 3 drums instead. How can I listen to both, EZ Keys and EZ Drummer, without having them connected like that? Basically, I think you can have only one instance of this setup per project. Or if you want to use EZ Keys as a bassline maker as well in other tracks, it will always pick up the instrument that is selected. So no real playing along possible...Doe anyone have some ideas? Best regards!
You can try asking at my FB group. But it would be a while before I have time to try this. Logic has the simplest midi routing compared to the other daws so this could be an artifact of the that.
@@ShootieSchoolNo problemo! Thanks for the reply!
EzKeys vs Scaler ... Which one is the best?
I don’t think either could replace the other.
@@ShootieSchool Scaler seems to have more options for MIDI out. In Scaler you can use their "Divisi Chords" setting, assign 1 MIDI channel per note within a chord to create some very interesting sounds from tradition 4-part orchestral sounds to setting up a multi-part in Omnisphere. See this video for reference: ua-cam.com/video/9dtH_eVnKAY/v-deo.html
Will this (midi out) work with ez bass?
It will
don't see enough people using EZK this way. The onboard sounds are useable (no hate, shoutout to ToonTrack) but the real key here is using it to drive midi data in other libraries.
\m/
Can you do this using Acid Pro 10?
I would ask a Acid Pro community "can midi be routed from one channel to another?". If so then, yes.
Does EzKeys ever go on sale?
I think it will be many years until we see a sale.
how to enable the sustain pedal (piano) in this application ? "EZkeys 2"
I’m not sure of every possible option at the moment. If you go to the grid editor tab look to the left where the piano keys are you will see a small sustain button in the bottom left check that out.
the problem with ezkeys is the high pitch ringing sound in samples
All samples?
Merci !
Thank you so much for your support, Jim!!!! Cheers
Thanks to the hardest working man in the Toontrack universe! Finished my first EZKeys 2 song (before I learned this trick)
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Dude, that's good!!
How many DAW's do you own!!! LOL
The real question is, how many can I use well... not many ;)
my DAW is Reason 😔
I don't have the means to test it, but does the Midi Out feature in the Reason Rack solve it for you? Let me know... www.reasonstudios.com/en/reason/instruments/midi-out
@@ShootieSchool I only have EZKeys1 at the moment, so that might be an issue. I did find where to select "enable midi out" in EK1. I tried the Midi Out feature in Reason you suggested, but I'm buggered if I can get it to work (probably just don't know what I am doing 🙂). Anyway, doesn't matter, I will have another go when I get EK2 one day and see if that makes a difference. Thanks!
If I come across it for a reason I’ll try to remember to get back to you on this comment. Cheers
You can not send midi form EZKeys in Reason, but you can drag the midi to a track. Same problem in Maschine.
@@rikkshow ok thanks for clarifying that. Pretty dumb that every other DAW seems to be able to do it but not Reason
STILL consumes a GIGANTIC TWO giggggs of MEMORY even when all you're using it for, is to playback Midi 🙄🙄😪😪😪 It is SO SO absurd to see developers adding a feature to send out MIDI, but STUBBORNLY keeping a plugin's INTERNAL sound engine with GIGS of sample library FULLY loaded and HOARDING UP giggs of the user's RAM 🙄🤥🤥 What exactly is the purpose of playing back MIDI through a 2 GIGABYTE plugin. Come on guysss . . . ToonTrack 🙄🙄🙄 You could DO farrr better than this. Please, let's STOP this irrational software design absurdity 🤕🤕. As soon as the user chooses to enable MIDI Out . . . the plugin should instantly UN-load all of its sample library data from RAM or at least ask the user to confirm whether the internal sound engine should be disabled with the "YES" option as "default" becuz clearly, a user who chooses MIDI out . . . wants to hear the MIDI playing back through his OWN instruments duh !
That option would be a good idea.
Thanks!
Thank you so much, Spokansas!!