This is FANTASTIC information, thank you so much for sharing it! Off to find that "Part 2" update video about yield differences :) Edit: I can't find the Part 2 update to this video!!! 😱 Have you made one? Am I just not searching for the right keywords? I'd really appreciate a link to the video of the yield differences between grain / sawdust spawn! Thanks, Gary! 🤘🏻
I have very limited experience, but - lean substrates tend to have less contam in my experiments. I make the dowels for logs and I use a little bit of grain to get the party going for the less delicious wooden dowels. I'm also looking as wood juices for agar (wood juice = liquid from boiling wood sticks)
For outdoor grows use sawdust, I had raccoons, rats ants flies and bugs get attracted to nutrients in the grain save some time and use sawdust spawn for outdoor grows!
Love the content. Really trying to learn so we can start growing. Can I ask one favor of you? If you are recording via phone, can you hold it sideways so the video is full screen? Your small videos hurt my old eyes. Lol thanks a lot.
Thanks, your the first person telling me wa actually can inoculate sawdust with jars & liquid culture ! Thanks you so musn, such a life-changer :) whoop whoop
nice videos! The price range in the USA for mushrooms seems to be around 20 Dollar for 500 Gramm or 1 lb. Thats amazing! Thats worth the work. I start growing as well, but here in Germany nobody will pay prices like that. You can get 1 lb oysters for 3 Euro, and 2lb Shiitake for 18 Euro in the supermarket. May I ask, how you sell your products? Directly to restaurants?
Benjamin Planitzer We sell our products directly to consumers it’s the best way because we can explain exactly what they are and our favorite recipes and types for their needs! Make sure they are top quality and local and you will get the highest value MUSHLOVE
Gary- how much grain spawn did you add to the substrate bag? I couldn't see in the video if you added the entire quart jar, or if you added less. 1 jar to 5lb substrate?
Super video!!!! i would go for hardwood sawdust to :) it may take longer but we may find a way to make it fully colonize quicker :) adding some kind of nutrient or so.. :) anyway! AWESOME TIPS ! You teavhed me alot through your first phrases about sawdust
grains are used for spawn and bulk substrate should be sawdust or a similar matrix. They can be grown on many substrates so it’s not a straight forward answer. You can use wooden dowels to plug into logs for an all wood approach, but you can also use grains to start them on and transfer into a sawdust mixture. That is what we do.
Grain contain much more nutritions than sawdust so mycelium grow faster and stronger but risk of developing contaminations is higher compare to sawdust. I prefer combination of 90% sawdust, 8% wheat bran and 2% of gypsum for oyster, shitake and poplar mycelium spawn.
Great video! Do you have a video on how to prepare a sawdust spawn jar? I don’t mind waiting an extra week for colonization when there’s no contamination.
Hmmmm If you were to add some sawdust to the grain jars, would it help train the mycelium to be more familiar with the sawdust to speed up the colonization?
I have read that gypsum is helpful in grain to not only help PH but help the grain to not stick? wonder if it would do the same to sawdust. I am looking to make some sawdust spawn for log inoculation. (first time, new to hobby) do you have any recommendations or is it just sawdust? (and gypsum haha)
unclesteve313 I have used gypsum in the past and have not noticed significant differences but have also known of others claiming a lot of benefits I guess further research in this area is needed!
its not very often Ive been surprized but this video certainly caused me to say wow I need to ask - have you checked out the site called gregs mushroom grower just google for it
You can use ethanol (everclear, available in most liquor stores) just dilute it to 70% - bleach will work but needs to be sprayed and wiped after 15 minutes and can cause corrosion long term
Anthony Timmer It is locally sourced sawdust hydrated to 55% with rocky mountain water - I also have been supplementing some batches with laboratory grade gypsum but not that much of a difference so far
ua-cam.com/video/8_LA1I5OLO8/v-deo.html Here is a video on making substrates it’s an older one but has all the basics covered! Thanks ha I like to use them to the fullest 🤣 MUSHLOVE
yes but it takes a bit longer and creates a log jam so that I ran out of space before I was able to put blocks into fruiting. It would work with a larger facility
I became a bit confused between the jars and the bags,, question is,,why not just enoculate the bags instead of the double process of enoculating the jar and then put the jar to the bags...?? plus do you honey with the jars and the bags ?? i am just wanting to know the differences.. thank you
It’s a space issue, I have done direct inoculations into bags in the past but it takes over 4 weeks to colonize compared to 2 weeks in the jars and 2 weeks in the bags. Space is a premium in my operation so better to have small jars colonize first and move to larger bags for half the time - hope this makes sense! MUSHLOVE
Blue-Flame Phoenix Rising Because the first two weeks is spent in a small jar which takes up a very small space compared to a large bag. My spawn rack fits in a closet but the incubation space required for bags is a much larger area. If I had the same amount of bags as jars it would require ten fold the space. Imagine planting trees in a forest. One forest keeps small trees all bunched together until they get big enough to move to a larger area and the other forest spreads the trees equally apart from the beginning. The forest that clumps the babies will have much more free space to move the trees as they get larger. The other forest will reach its capacity sooner. It’s economy of space that is important to farming.
@@FreshfromtheFarmFungi ,,thank you , you have been patient with me,, I got it, now,, much appreciated..I have much smaller area , so I will grow drawf trees. LOL
Fresh from the Farm Fungi LLC Thanks for the clarification on why you do the two step sawdust. Since i have space for my hobby I think that there will be less chance of contamination if I just do 1 step Especially since I don’t have a flow hood. I figure the 1 step liquid culture to sawdust substrate bag is worth a try for me
mi guel I got mine from Air Science - they are quality and will last a lifetime - maybe they have refurbished units available but it’s rare to find a good piece of lab equipment for a discount
men i have one question. What does the material inside your the sawdust spawn ? there is more nutrients you add in jar extend of sawdust? because i heard transfer clonised sawdust to another sawdust jar for get more spawn make weaker spawn each time ... you think this is true ? if this is true can add something to sawdust to make it more likely grain jar for mycelium?
It will eventually get weaker yes - but that can be corrected with proper moisture content - grains can hold more water but I supplement my bulk substrates with soy hulls. The sawdust spawn is just a cheaper way to get started and is less selective for contaminants.
@@FreshfromtheFarmFungi tanx men. you right may i must get water in it with soy hulls is good idea . and I also add some vitamin fertilizer ... is good to make faster grow my mycelium . this time i mix this 2 Method to see what Result i get.
Hell of a lot cheaper too. 4lbs of grain for 10 dollars, or 40lbs of hardwood sawdust pellets for 7, at least in my area.
Where can I order bulk spawn
@@deanforeman3413 prepared/sterilized or dry?
I really love it when i type a question into UA-cam and one of your videos is directly answering it. You're a blessing to mycology. Thanks Gary.
thanks for watching and following along! I love making vids so it’s a win win ha
This is FANTASTIC information, thank you so much for sharing it! Off to find that "Part 2" update video about yield differences :)
Edit: I can't find the Part 2 update to this video!!! 😱 Have you made one? Am I just not searching for the right keywords? I'd really appreciate a link to the video of the yield differences between grain / sawdust spawn!
Thanks, Gary! 🤘🏻
I have very limited experience, but - lean substrates tend to have less contam in my experiments. I make the dowels for logs and I use a little bit of grain to get the party going for the less delicious wooden dowels. I'm also looking as wood juices for agar (wood juice = liquid from boiling wood sticks)
How did the wood juices work out? There's no agar in the country that I am...
you could boil some sticks of yaje (ayahuasca
Will you please share the recipe for saw dust spawn and for growing oyster? Thank you.
For outdoor grows use sawdust, I had raccoons, rats ants flies and bugs get attracted to nutrients in the grain save some time and use sawdust spawn for outdoor grows!
Love the content. Really trying to learn so we can start growing. Can I ask one favor of you? If you are recording via phone, can you hold it sideways so the video is full screen? Your small videos hurt my old eyes. Lol thanks a lot.
Don't mess your hands up banging with them! A rolled up piece of heavy cowhide taped up on the countertop works great. Better than having numb hands.
thanks for the tip! I now use bags for most of my spawn but still bust out the jars for breeding
@@FreshfromtheFarmFungi good to hear, after forty years of doing construction I cringe a little when I see people hammering with their hands.
When growing out the mycelium is there any mushroom that has to have a particular substrate?
Thanks, your the first person telling me wa actually can inoculate sawdust with jars & liquid culture ! Thanks you so musn, such a life-changer :) whoop whoop
nice videos! The price range in the USA for mushrooms seems to be around 20 Dollar for 500 Gramm or 1 lb. Thats amazing! Thats worth the work. I start growing as well, but here in Germany nobody will pay prices like that. You can get 1 lb oysters for 3 Euro, and 2lb Shiitake for 18 Euro in the supermarket. May I ask, how you sell your products? Directly to restaurants?
Benjamin Planitzer We sell our products directly to consumers it’s the best way because we can explain exactly what they are and our favorite recipes and types for their needs! Make sure they are top quality and local and you will get the highest value MUSHLOVE
Gary- how much grain spawn did you add to the substrate bag? I couldn't see in the video if you added the entire quart jar, or if you added less. 1 jar to 5lb substrate?
It was the whole jar - 1/2 pint per 5lb bag
Good and clear explanation . Thanks!!
You said that it was a blend. What exactly is in the sawdust spawn jar? Thanks!
Thanks for this kind info, i'm gonna try this one, hoping for great result!
Super video!!!! i would go for hardwood sawdust to :) it may take longer but we may find a way to make it fully colonize quicker :) adding some kind of nutrient or so.. :) anyway! AWESOME TIPS ! You teavhed me alot through your first phrases about sawdust
Keep on doing what you're doing, and youtube algorithm will soon show you love 👍
Dang i just got sent to tha past. You look like your 17
I Wonder if Bamboo Sawdust could be used since Bamboo have antibacterial properties, any thoughts?
I think it would work well
Great content. I only have one question. If your mushroom is a wood loving mushroom does it matter if you inoculate and wood or grain
grains are used for spawn and bulk substrate should be sawdust or a similar matrix. They can be grown on many substrates so it’s not a straight forward answer. You can use wooden dowels to plug into logs for an all wood approach, but you can also use grains to start them on and transfer into a sawdust mixture. That is what we do.
Bought several pairs of cut resistant gloves after you said something about the jars breaking while breaking up the spawn.
neat! I think safety is important that sounds like an upgrade I will be making too 🙏🏻
I use a ratio of 1 part hardwood sawdust to 1.6 parts water. Got a few oysters colonising on it as we speak
Once you've hydrated your sawdust, how do you make what he has in the jar? Do you just squirt spores you've harvested onto it?
40 Year Old Virgil buy a liquid culture from him and squirt that in
@@mattnsim oh right, as easy as that 👍 can only find videos of people with the spawn, and not much on making the spawn. Cheers
40 Year Old Virgil it’s an art form... 😂
great explanation. i'm looking froward to updates on the progress and results!
Grain contain much more nutritions than sawdust so mycelium grow faster and stronger but risk of developing contaminations is higher compare to sawdust. I prefer combination of 90% sawdust, 8% wheat bran and 2% of gypsum for oyster, shitake and poplar mycelium spawn.
Great video! Do you have a video on how to prepare a sawdust spawn jar? I don’t mind waiting an extra week for colonization when there’s no contamination.
Hi Gary. Wondering what your recommended ratio is when you put your grain spawn into your sawdust bag? Thanks!
Thanks man, this is good stuff! I like that your sharing this video, this is good to know about contamination. fungi.. guy... Lol
So to make sawdust spawn you can just inject the liquid culture to the plain sawdust?
Keep up the good work, you do a good job explaining yourself
So if there's a second to this I would subscribe but can't find it?
I got 9 1/2 quart size sawdust/corn/coffee mix hopefully will have similar rate of contamination (or lack of)
Thanks for the idea of using sawdust in my jars.
make senses that is better sawdust spawn for sawdust bulk
How you made microporus tape in bag? Thankx for answer
I feed oats to mealworms and I heat the oats to above 160 degrees Fahrenheit to sterilize them. Maybe that could help your contamination problem.
yes we heat our grains to 250F for 15 minutes in a pressure cooker. It usually happens during inoculation or cool down.
I’ve been looking for this: Sawdust Spawn should be cheaper than grain since is a process byproduct and not actual food. Thanks for this.
yes I used it exclusively in the beginning of my farm
How you sterilised substrat in bag? Can i show how you do it
Hmmmm If you were to add some sawdust to the grain jars, would it help train the mycelium to be more familiar with the sawdust to speed up the colonization?
some say yes - I have never noticed that much of a difference it helps absorb some access water though that pools at the bottom
I have read that gypsum is helpful in grain to not only help PH but help the grain to not stick? wonder if it would do the same to sawdust. I am looking to make some sawdust spawn for log inoculation. (first time, new to hobby) do you have any recommendations or is it just sawdust? (and gypsum haha)
unclesteve313 I have used gypsum in the past and have not noticed significant differences but have also known of others claiming a lot of benefits I guess further research in this area is needed!
its not very often Ive been surprized but this video certainly caused me to say wow I need to ask - have you checked out the site called gregs mushroom grower just google for it
Carmen Alcala I will check them out thanks!
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Can't seem to find lysol spray and alcohol in stores. Can I use bleach with water in a spritzer bottle?
You can use ethanol (everclear, available in most liquor stores) just dilute it to 70% - bleach will work but needs to be sprayed and wiped after 15 minutes and can cause corrosion long term
when you inocculate, is the medium moist?? using a spore syringe
yes 58-60% moisture content
How long time stiring maker to liquid cultur brother..??
2-3 days then you can refrigerate for a long time (months) until needed
do you need t hydrate/soak the sawdust before putting it in the jars?
yes shoot for 60% hydration
You need a mini version of a paint can shaker for mycology.😁
that is a great idea!! MUSHLOVE
This video is ultra perfect
This is great ..another spiffy job.. any chance with the sawdust recipe?
Anthony Timmer It is locally sourced sawdust hydrated to 55% with rocky mountain water - I also have been supplementing some batches with laboratory grade gypsum but not that much of a difference so far
Great video man. Can you make one on how to make substrate? You need some new teflon on the bottom of that old impulse sealer haha
ua-cam.com/video/8_LA1I5OLO8/v-deo.html Here is a video on making substrates it’s an older one but has all the basics covered! Thanks ha I like to use them to the fullest 🤣 MUSHLOVE
Can you just inoculate the sawdust bag? instead of adding colonized grain or spawn?
yes but it takes a bit longer and creates a log jam so that I ran out of space before I was able to put blocks into fruiting. It would work with a larger facility
@@FreshfromtheFarmFungi Thank you 👍
You have to roll the bag first and then seal it to get air in that bag.
cool can you explain more?
For your sawdust spawn, if I have LC, can I just put about 5ml in the 1/2 pint for the inoculation?
sure that would work if it’s sterilized and hydrated correctly
How do you hydrate your sawdust ? Thanks
why lids upside down?
S Smith So the seal on the lid allows for air exchange
I became a bit confused between the jars and the bags,, question is,,why not just enoculate the bags instead of the double process of enoculating the jar and then put the jar to the bags...?? plus do you honey with the jars and the bags ?? i am just wanting to know the differences.. thank you
It’s a space issue, I have done direct inoculations into bags in the past but it takes over 4 weeks to colonize compared to 2 weeks in the jars and 2 weeks in the bags. Space is a premium in my operation so better to have small jars colonize first and move to larger bags for half the time - hope this makes sense! MUSHLOVE
@@FreshfromtheFarmFungi How does that make sence ?? it is still 4 weeks !!!!!
Blue-Flame Phoenix Rising Because the first two weeks is spent in a small jar which takes up a very small space compared to a large bag. My spawn rack fits in a closet but the incubation space required for bags is a much larger area. If I had the same amount of bags as jars it would require ten fold the space. Imagine planting trees in a forest. One forest keeps small trees all bunched together until they get big enough to move to a larger area and the other forest spreads the trees equally apart from the beginning. The forest that clumps the babies will have much more free space to move the trees as they get larger. The other forest will reach its capacity sooner. It’s economy of space that is important to farming.
@@FreshfromtheFarmFungi ,,thank you , you have been patient with me,, I got it, now,, much appreciated..I have much smaller area , so I will grow drawf trees. LOL
Fresh from the Farm Fungi LLC Thanks for the clarification on why you do the two step sawdust. Since i have space for my hobby I think that there will be less chance of contamination if I just do 1 step Especially since I don’t have a flow hood. I figure the 1 step liquid culture to sawdust substrate bag is worth a try for me
How you call the mycelium bag? How you can get this bag?
Unicorn grow bags are common
any advice where to get a flow hood for cheap?
mi guel I got mine from Air Science - they are quality and will last a lifetime - maybe they have refurbished units available but it’s rare to find a good piece of lab equipment for a discount
@@FreshfromtheFarmFungi can i send you a link to one and get your opinion? I love your videos!!! I will be watching every single one.
mi guel instagram.com/p/B7SK6eWAL6k/?igshid=ayh9slqgolvx found this on instagram - maybe an option for starting?
Is that an up draft flume hood? Wouldn't you want positive pressure ie: clean air blowing down you your work?
What do you add as supplement for sawdust spawn or is it just plain sawdust?
just plain sawdust you can add some wheat bran but be careful that it doesnt get clumpy
men i have one question. What does the material inside your the sawdust spawn ? there is more nutrients you add in jar extend of sawdust? because i heard transfer clonised sawdust to another sawdust jar for get more spawn make weaker spawn each time ... you think this is true ? if this is true can add something to sawdust to make it more likely grain jar for mycelium?
It will eventually get weaker yes - but that can be corrected with proper moisture content - grains can hold more water but I supplement my bulk substrates with soy hulls. The sawdust spawn is just a cheaper way to get started and is less selective for contaminants.
@@FreshfromtheFarmFungi tanx men. you right may i must get water in it with soy hulls is good idea . and I also add some vitamin fertilizer ... is good to make faster grow my mycelium . this time i mix this 2 Method to see what Result i get.