Dan Savage on Progressing Public Thought on Gay Marriage

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  • @MarkArandjus
    @MarkArandjus 14 років тому +8

    "You can always count on Americans to do the right thing, after they've tried everything else."
    -Winston Churchill

  • @carloslanza2046
    @carloslanza2046 10 років тому +7

    i am so glad someone thinks this way

  • @xolanivespid9375
    @xolanivespid9375 10 років тому +3

    Dan Savage says it like it is.

  • @TheRussell9109
    @TheRussell9109 14 років тому +1

    Hey Dan. I watch your videos all the time. You're brilliant. and completely right. I just want to say thank you for representing the gay community so well :)

  • @Magus04
    @Magus04 14 років тому +1

    This is such an amazing video. How much did you rehearse/write down beforehand? It sounds like a fantastic speech, better than most that people prepare.

  • @Tamidewa
    @Tamidewa 15 років тому

    You are a wise man and I thank you for saying this. Bless you and your family.

  • @sdarms111
    @sdarms111 12 років тому

    Brilliant commentary with humor. Hard to beat.

  • @StaunchComic
    @StaunchComic 14 років тому

    Thank you Dan! You are a great voice for the Gay & Lesbian community.

  • @bluereyes
    @bluereyes 13 років тому +1

    i love him so much. he's the greatest resident in seattle :)

  • @badnewsBH
    @badnewsBH 14 років тому

    @JFrazer4303 This is the best description of the situation I've ever seen. Concise, poignant and well phrased. Bravo!

  • @aTTypical
    @aTTypical 14 років тому

    I love the Oreo imagery xD

  • @disposablefreedom
    @disposablefreedom 12 років тому

    WOW! I could not have put it any better myself..

  • @fifimsp
    @fifimsp 15 років тому

    Wow, that is exactly how I feel Dan!
    Welcome to America, hope you enjoy our Calvinist roots!

  • @Letzbehonest
    @Letzbehonest 14 років тому

    Dan, what you said is so true. I thank you.

  • @annielouuu
    @annielouuu 13 років тому +1

    @53dumey In all honesty, a gay couple who goes through either artificial insemination or adoption in order to get a child, both processes which are very emotionally and financially difficult, is going to absolutely love and cherish and treasure that child because they had to give up and go through so much in order to have a child. Those children will be way more loved than the millions of children born to straight people who abuse them, neglect them, and even sometimes have abortions.

  • @littlekiwi9724
    @littlekiwi9724 6 років тому

    Dan Savage for President!

  • @newguyout
    @newguyout 14 років тому

    @valegorn Not having the "shame on us" attitude would be the kissing ass problem I mentioned earlier. Sometomes you have to say what people don't want to hear.

  • @Kimmichan36
    @Kimmichan36 11 років тому

    As a Filipino living in the Philippines, I approve the message

  • @hydroforce1000
    @hydroforce1000 11 років тому

    I am very curious...which hospital in Florida refused to allow access? I will make sure and not support that hospital. Orlando as of 2011 now has a domestic partner registry...which should allow access to partners. However, keep in mind its stops at the border of Orlando. Does anyone know if religious organizations, like Florida Hospital being a Seventh Day Adventist Institution, allows full access to gay couples?

  • @losermilkshake10
    @losermilkshake10 15 років тому

    completely true. glad somebody can step aside from blind patriotism to look at the reality of what kind of country we really are. it's quite a sad thing, honestly.

  • @gramps2matt
    @gramps2matt 14 років тому

    Gotta love Dan. When he's right, HE IS RIGHT!! America always wants to pat itself on the back for being innovative and original when in reality we are anything but.

  • @livinginlux
    @livinginlux 15 років тому

    The Flordia court ended up ruling that the hospital had had no obligation to allow the dying woman to see her family. Nothing like the Justice System.

  • @newdimensionfilms
    @newdimensionfilms 12 років тому

    I love his metaphors.

  • @PaulSmith-bc2ww
    @PaulSmith-bc2ww 11 років тому

    But back to this clip, what a sharp dude! Funny but pinpoint accurate, I loved it. The American culture has created infinite positive memories for me in terms of music, film, fashion, etc; but politics and religious fanaticism are the opposing element. Shame on the US for being one of the last

  • @ThatSideOfParadise
    @ThatSideOfParadise 13 років тому

    @efh009 Iceland FTW! I've never been to your country, but it sounds like paradise, you should be proud. :)

  • @firedryer
    @firedryer 14 років тому

    I love you Dan!

  • @deweys
    @deweys 15 років тому

    You sir, have no idea what I have been a part of.

  • @DawnMDay-dy1kj
    @DawnMDay-dy1kj 9 років тому

    Dan Savage, Cosmic chess in full effect step into the 4th dimension. We'll be connecting to a new perception. Trust me, you will be glad we did.

  • @newguyout
    @newguyout 14 років тому

    @valegorn The problem isn't that America "isn't always the leader in civil rights," its that America has never been the leader in any civil right. Not with gays, not with women, and the only reason that America was so quick to free the slaves was because of an executive order from Abraham Lincoln (Emancipation Proclomation) which by the way half the country hated him for doing it and the other half, most of them thought it was unnecessary. But as Dan pointed out, England had already done that.

  • @johniii8147
    @johniii8147 7 років тому

    We ended up getting a done much sooner than many of us expected

  • @AccordingToGaby
    @AccordingToGaby 13 років тому

    Same sex marriage is legal in Argentina, and it's one of the things that makes me proud of my country and gives me hope for all the other countries. Still there people here who are against it, but it seems so simple to me, people should be able to marry whoever they love and want to marry and all families should be protected.

  • @SamArt90
    @SamArt90 12 років тому

    frigging amazing

  • @SeattleRexx
    @SeattleRexx 14 років тому

    I hope they refile the case as a class action suit against the state of Florida. Deplorable action by a hospital.

  • @mountiealpha
    @mountiealpha 14 років тому

    The quote is often attributed to Winston Churchill, but I've yet to find any definitive source.

  • @2terence2jones
    @2terence2jones 14 років тому

    this is so true.

  • @PaulSmith-bc2ww
    @PaulSmith-bc2ww 11 років тому

    And Helen Clarke, prime minister of New Zealand.

  • @Jwb52z
    @Jwb52z 12 років тому

    Marriage should be about love and building a life together, period. People somehow keep missing the fact that it's now medically possible, although only in a few fertility clinics around the world, for a same sex couple to have their own biological child. A process was developed that can convert an egg or sperm into the other required cell and then join with the appropriate cell to start the development of the child. It's expensive, but it's possible and it won't be rare one day.

  • @PenelopeBaden
    @PenelopeBaden 12 років тому

    I wasn't talking about women being "mistreated" per se. Someone can be treated exceptionally well and still be considered property and have their rights unfairly limited. Marriage as a whole may be (largely, I wouldn't say completely) based on sex, but that doesn't matter. It doesn't matter to an elderly couple, it doesn't matter to a couple that decides no to have children. As long as those people are not excluded from the institution, there's no reason to exclude gay people.

  • @PenelopeBaden
    @PenelopeBaden 12 років тому

    "There simply is no public outcome to a homosexual relationship over and above friendship." Marriage gives the same securities to a gay couple (and their children) as it does to a straight couple and their children. And since gay people ARE raising children, society is benefited by the securities given to those families just as it is benefited by giving those securities to straight couples who have their own children or adopt.

  • @binkey3374
    @binkey3374 15 років тому

    The Conservative Party elected a woman leader, who then became Prime Minister because the Conservatives were the party in power. When we the people were given the opportunity to vote for her, the party went from 151 members to 2 (neither of which were Kim Campbell). So I'm not sure we deserved to be mentioned. (On the plus side, since one of them was Elsie Wayne, the Tories were the only party in parliament whose caucus was 50% women.)

  • @cavejourney
    @cavejourney 14 років тому

    I'm single and I would like to have a close friend with me when I die. I acknowledge that gay rights are important but I am also concerned with single people's rights.

  • @melinojoshua
    @melinojoshua 15 років тому

    Awesome

  • @PenelopeBaden
    @PenelopeBaden 12 років тому

    (cont) If people want to insist that "marriage" can only be between one man and one woman, I'm fine with that. But they must then admit that institution is discriminatory, and the government has no business acknowledging such marriages. So give everyone a "civil union" only (gay or straight) and let people decide for themselves if they want to be "married" in a church, or by jumping over a broom, or whatever.

  • @Aicirt8
    @Aicirt8 13 років тому

    @SexyMelon Well said! part of it is religion, but mainly the problem is fear, and also there are those who just want someone to discriminate against.

  • @53dumey
    @53dumey 13 років тому

    @roelvanacker
    You said, and I quote " "however, when settling down (as many gays do) they often have monogamous and loyal relationships - but society seems not so keen on us doing so, since we can't call what we already gave a 'marriage' (yet) " "
    Again, why do you feel that Marriage (Gay or Hetero ) makes people monogamus ?
    OR that Gays who are married would be more Monogamus than Heteros ?

  • @TheAndyVegan
    @TheAndyVegan 15 років тому

    lol I love Dan

  • @Daniel0112358
    @Daniel0112358 12 років тому

    pretty much NO ONE argues that any church should be required to do so.
    We fucking want civil marriage from the state for everyone.
    Churches can refuse to marry mixed religion couples if they want for example. that is their freedom of religion. but the state sure as hell has to marry people regardless of religion. and it ought to regardless of gay or straight

  • @PenelopeBaden
    @PenelopeBaden 12 років тому

    Then perhaps the government should get out of the marriage business altogether and just give everyone a "legal union."

  • @LiveLoveLifeXI
    @LiveLoveLifeXI 12 років тому

    agree.

  • @kissfan7
    @kissfan7 12 років тому

    Minor correction, the US's record on gay marriage is better than Europe. 15% of Americans live in a state with marriage equality, while less than 5% of citizens of EU states (and that's not counting the more backwards parts of Europe like Russia or Turkey) live in nations with marriage equality.
    We are ahead of Europe on this issue.

  • @jravage77
    @jravage77 15 років тому

    People who feel comfortable with straight males being favored and with all the power and being the example of whats right think this country is the greatest.Others have another opinion.

  • @ManicTheManic
    @ManicTheManic 14 років тому

    They let homosexuals serve in our military.
    The government has no problem allowing a group of people to DIE for this country, but letting them admit who they are while their putting their lives on the line, or letting them get married while doing the same thing, is just too far.
    This country makes me sick sometimes.

  • @tranxendentalist
    @tranxendentalist 15 років тому

    its true how we americans pride ourselves in being ahead of our time when actually we're doing everything last. we're no pioneers.

  • @Maggie2515
    @Maggie2515 14 років тому

    @litia That was sarcasm, btw. Not sure if you're smart enough to realize that, so I thought I'd clarify.

  • @SiliconBong
    @SiliconBong 11 років тому

    And Dame Jenny Shipley Prime Minister of New Zealand !

  • @1982mockingbird1982
    @1982mockingbird1982 14 років тому

    Ahahah! This is awesome! And a little emabrasing for every flag-loving American

  • @mattschlo
    @mattschlo 15 років тому

    @deweys what do we have to be proud about?

  • @JRBendixen
    @JRBendixen 14 років тому

    Mr savage is cool.
    On another note I´m from Denmark and we have extreme data on the welfare of children from homosexual parents and they do way better on all scores compared with the children of heterosexuals(as a father I´m working to change that of course). But at least it means people really should not worry about the children. And it shows it is only about love and care no matter the sex of the parents.

  • @RaptorClaws24
    @RaptorClaws24 14 років тому

    @WildernessTree: Not natural TO YOU, Wildy. Opposite sex attractions aren't natural to me but I will support your right to have them. :)

  • @chemambru
    @chemambru 15 років тому

    RIGHT FUCKIN ON!

  • @Devalmont2
    @Devalmont2 15 років тому

    Re: the Spain reference ... he was saying that this Mexican state that has domestic partnerships has it because Mexico is looking towards Spain (their former colonizer) for leadership in these hotbed social issues. America has puritanical roots and that is why we will be last to have same-sex marriage, which America's religious just can't seem to accept.
    Mexico's background is Spanish Catholic .. I'm guessing that this type of background leads to more tolerance than America's.

  • @TheEureka41
    @TheEureka41 12 років тому

    Don't forget Portia Simpson-Miller

  • @PenelopeBaden
    @PenelopeBaden 12 років тому

    There will never be a definition of marriage that everyone accepts. Lots of religions do not consider a couple married if they have not had a marriage ceremony according to their customs. A married couple who decides to convert to Orthodox Judaism may be required to live separately until their conversions are completed, and then marry in the Orthodox Judaism tradition. In many culture three or more people can be married. It's even in the bible.

  • @valegorn
    @valegorn 14 років тому

    @newguyout Oh and another thing, when we look back to America's reaction to the Emancipation Proclamation, it is crucial that we don't compare their reaction by today's standards. This is something you learn in Freshman Anthropology. It was a different culture then. So when Dan compares our culture to past American cultures and past foreign cultures he discredits himself. Regardless of how good of an observation it may be. I just don't like his "shame on us" attitude.

  • @IshmaelSimmonds
    @IshmaelSimmonds 12 років тому

    what exactly is he right about?

  • @countrybluegrass
    @countrybluegrass 14 років тому

    @EdM021
    Yeah, just look at the shining example of South Africa! They repealed Apartheid decades before the US banned segregation!

  • @lonewolff3390
    @lonewolff3390 12 років тому

    how can you think someone is a pervert based off of nothing that you know of him

  • @icemilitia
    @icemilitia 15 років тому

    Funny how this man claims they're winning the argument, yet they couldn't even get Prop 8 passed in Cali. So much for winning....

  • @Devalmont2
    @Devalmont2 15 років тому

    Whoa! Calm down! I was only offering a "possible" explanation for the reference to Spain. I didn't say I was right. Do you live in Mexico?
    I wasn't suggesting you look to Mommy spain when you have an issue .. but I would imagine that you have some commonalities with Spain .... language, religion, other .... Just like the US and the UK are often in agreement on many issues ... because of their commonalities.

  • @valegorn
    @valegorn 14 років тому

    That's it Dan, win them over with anti-patriotism. Yeah you got a good point, but last I checked, America is still very much brave and free.

  • @goldenboy5500
    @goldenboy5500 15 років тому

    I have to disagree with you here Dan, my late partner was flown to bayfront trama care unit in St Petersburg, FL I had no problem getting in to be with him nor did I have any problem with executing his living will, and was never asked to see a durable power of atturney or a health serogit witch I did have all they wanted was the living will this was june 2004

  • @sdarms111
    @sdarms111 12 років тому

    Dude is right

  • @ice444
    @ice444 13 років тому

    You won't be last! Australia will be last!
    Neither party wants it!

  • @53dumey
    @53dumey 13 років тому

    @roelvanacker
    But No one needs marriage to have a long term relationship, wether its monogamus or not !
    No one is denying you a long term relationship, those who are against gay marriage only want to reserve marriage for those who want to have children .
    Not all married couples are able to have children, but they do believe that it takes a man and a woman to properly raise a child.
    We don't have that system perfected yet, but gay marriage would be another problem.

  • @EyeLean5280
    @EyeLean5280 15 років тому

    What a disgusting story. I hope a jury awarded that woman that hospital administrator's left testicle.

  • @Thebestofitalloffcial
    @Thebestofitalloffcial 15 років тому

    lol that is so true. Thankfully i live in Canada so i can get married :-)

  • @newguyout
    @newguyout 14 років тому

    @valegorn All the "cool kids" in Europe have been doing it for about 20 years now. By the way, Canada, Argentina, and South Africa do it too. Nobody claims that it be allowed because of the cool kids. Last I checked, their argument was because it is the right thing to do.
    As for grandma and grandpa.... the big advantage about being in a later generation is that you generally tend to be smarter. Sorry, but thats the truth. They don't get a pass on being ignorant simply because they faught WWII

  • @senateb
    @senateb 15 років тому

    America will invariably do the right thing;
    only after exhausting all other alternatives

  • @valegorn
    @valegorn 14 років тому

    @newguyout Sure, and as I said before, all good points. Its pretty obvious that America isn't the land of firsts when it comes to civil rights. One side of me thinks this is sad while the other is glad America is a little more cautious before making crazy decisions.
    But like I also said before, regardless of his point, there is a big difference between pointing out America's flaws, and just talking shit about it. When you mix the two you usually weaken your argument, no matter how correct u r

  • @LiveLoveLifeXI
    @LiveLoveLifeXI 12 років тому

    2:00 "even religious people will concede that that woman should have been able to go her partner's bedside, and then you can say she would have if they had been married."
    Yes, it is incredibly sad that she was not able, the argument is just logically unsound. The fundamental problem is the definition of marriage "a covenant between a man and a woman for the whole of life ... and the procreation and education of offspring." Legal unions absolutely. But it can obviously not be called marriage.

  • @DNYLNY
    @DNYLNY 14 років тому

    @SeattleRexx Did you watch the video?? He mentioned a lady and 3 kids that couldn't see their dying mom, because they weren't married.

  • @TheRedhead52
    @TheRedhead52 14 років тому

    After llistening to this I am reminded of how we all struggle thinking we can make our situations viable and can sue, be angry, etc without realizing all your joking, rationalizing is ludicrous because Gods law is all there is. He is not interested in Hillary Clinton or Dans cussing thinking he is cute, all that matters is what He says. We all stand before Him in the end, and God loves us all no matter what, but you will be judged for disobeying Him. Choose life!

  • @PenelopeBaden
    @PenelopeBaden 12 років тому

    Then you've just illustrated that the "principle" was never really that important. So there's no reason to deny gay people the right to marry. Sure it makes sense, for all the same reasons that elderly and infertile people have been getting married. For partnership, for legal benefits, for sharing a committed life together.

  • @SeattleRexx
    @SeattleRexx 14 років тому

    Dan is Seattle's gift to the world..God, I love that man! He has more integrity and intelligence in his little finger than a boatload of "Christians". (and he's hotter than a 2 dollar pistol at a bootlegger's convention!,)

  • @sketchartist1964
    @sketchartist1964 12 років тому

    I'm speaking of the mode of letters not the language genius.

  • @MishaVargas
    @MishaVargas 15 років тому

    Perhaps you were allowed that, but at the whim of the particular hospital. Dan's point, I believe, was that it should be guaranteed and unquestionable.
    I don't see that you have any disagreement with Dan at all, except to say that some people are treated better than others. This is obvious to most people. When we're talking about rights, we're talking about GUARANTEED rights. Inalienable rights.

  • @naybobdenod
    @naybobdenod 13 років тому

    In the immortal words of Christopher Hitchens ` RELIGION POISONS EVERYTHING `

  • @EmoBoyWhoLuvsEmoGrls
    @EmoBoyWhoLuvsEmoGrls 13 років тому

    Philafuckingpines lolz, im philippino and thats funny ... and true

  • @53dumey
    @53dumey 13 років тому

    @annielouuu
    Are you saying that a lesbian has never had an abortion ????

  • @somesillysap
    @somesillysap 14 років тому

    I agree Dan, America can be so backward. Over in Holland they have gay marriage and now they are working towards 3 or more people in a marriage.
    They've already had a civil Union of a man and two women there. No need to stop at just two people, really is there? If you have a group of people that love each other why cant they all be married to each other?

  • @Goobian
    @Goobian 14 років тому

    @zenlife28 I am a woman and I want to marry my gf someday. I want to wear a wedding ring and introduce her as my wife. I live in Oregon so it's not about legal benefits. It's about showing she is not going anyplace and neither am I. It gives me such joy thinking about saying to people "This is my wife, Jennifer" and when the spouse dies people sympathize more. Society looks at you different whether people like to admit it or not.

  • @53dumey
    @53dumey 13 років тому

    THAT depends on the People, I have read Newspaper articles were adopted parents have beaten their kids to death.
    And there is no study that shows that Gay people are any better, with or without children, than straight people.

  • @53dumey
    @53dumey 13 років тому

    What about the Father whose young son was in the hospital dying of AIDS because he recieved blood that was given by a gay person ?

  • @oceanwonders
    @oceanwonders 15 років тому

    Kim Campbell.

  • @maale27
    @maale27 14 років тому

    Female head of state ..........................khalida zia and haseena wajid in Bangladesh. you missed them :)

  • @julykid28
    @julykid28 12 років тому

    lol yup

  • @PenelopeBaden
    @PenelopeBaden 12 років тому

    It's erroneous to equate marriage with procreation. We allow the elderly (who are past the age of being able to reproduce) to marry. We allow infertile people to marry. People don't have to choose to be parents to be married, plenty of straight people marry without any intention of having children. And of course, people have kids without marrying, which is perfectly legal. And gay people often do already have or adopt children.

  • @53dumey
    @53dumey 13 років тому

    @roelvanacker
    Since when does ANYONE require marriage to settle down and become Monogamus ?
    Its in the Head, not on a sheet of paper !

  • @Devalmont2
    @Devalmont2 15 років тому

    Dan's looking mighty hot lately!

  • @valegorn
    @valegorn 14 років тому

    @newguyout exactly, which proves my point, its hard to argue with someone who thinks their right no matter what.
    Also, the majority of politicians voted in the Civil Rights Act (hence majority rules), they got there with votes (from the majority). If the majority really didn't like it, they would've repealed it, or voted in different politicians that have a different view, (kinda like last November)
    The majority of todays politically and voters are against gay marriage, and its still the rule