Overloud's TH-U (Slate Edition) vs Neural DSP Amp Sim Plugins
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- Опубліковано 31 лип 2021
- I've been wanting to try out some Neural DSP guitar amp sim plugins so in this video I tested four of them and compared them to my version of TH-U. Tested are SLO-100, Nolly, Abasi and Henson.
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I must agree, not only the sound of THU is as good as any of the top contenders, its also less demanding of the CPU.
I run so many THU instances it’s crazy.
@@alwaysandy_ Why would you have to have tons of instances? Do you have a lot of people playing guitar live? This seems like something obvious that gets printed/frozen.
@@PerryCodessure I could print it freeze but I don’t need to, and I’m lazy. Lol. My current project has 9 live th-u running.
I've tried them the big plugins. I even own a Helix Floorboard with Powercab and I keep going back to TH-U. It just gets the job done with more models then one can ever dream of.
It does! Cheers!
amp sims sound better than helix or gt1000, via soundcard
Helix Native was such a disappointment. Everything sounded so shrill and icepicky.
+1 for TH-U, I've tried many amp sims, I got rid of everything as soon as I discovered TH-U.
Lol 🔥🔥
@Der_Mantie Oh man, don't get me started on Bias FX, lol.
Great video - by the way you briefly pointed out the Kilohearts plugins and I just wanted to say that I have a bunch and they are great - very solid, straight forward, easy to use.
Oooooo ! Yea totally great plug-ins. 💥🔥
You just convinced me to get this plugin. You can get some killer sounds out Thu. I tested against my axe FX 2 and I was very impressed. I also have amplitude 5, which also has some great tones as well. I can see myself using all three for different songs. Really appreciate your video my man. Subbed! Would love to see some more song mixing videos.
And wait til you discover all the rig captures available omg.! I have a lot of project breakdowns on my channel just look for em. Follow me on twitch I stream mixing etc live twitch.tv/alwaysandy_
@@alwaysandy_ What times do you stream?
@@MagicTheKrakening in central US afternoons and midnights on random days.
Couldn't agree more. I went looking for this subject to see if anyone encountered the same thing---the Neural DSP stuff, the Plugin Alliance amp sims, BIASFX, on and on. All of them have cool interfaces, and get my hopes up, but I just don't gel with what's offered as presets, and no amount of tweaking seems to get me what I'm after. TH-U on the other hand, I can very quickly get in the ballpark of what I'm after. HIGHLY underrated plugin. Or maybe people just aren't aware of TH-U.
Underrated for sure. And with the rig player it’s infinitely expandable for 30$-50$ per rig pack. Siiiick. THU!🤘🙌
i have every ndsp plugin, helix, tonex, aplitube 5, the entire collection of amped, bias fx 2, guitar rig 5 and 6 and and a few others. but i keep coming back to th-u since i got it 2 months ago. it just hits right. and it seems easier to make the sound im looking for. anyone on the fence. just do it.i remember having th-2 it was my very first amp sim on my computer seems like 10 years ago but its probably been more. and it was never anything that i was excited over. i dont remember liking it much at the time it was good but for some reason i moved on to the original peavey revalver then guitar rig 4 so i wasn't quick to jump on this new version of th-u and almost didnt bother trying it. so happy i did
I use both and I like both but I prefer more THU it feels more realistic and what you get with thu is really amazing good video
I agree and thanks! 🤘💥
I just sold my Fractal FM3, amp sims are amazing nowadays. So rn I’m using free amps sims and also I purchased 3 NDSP plugins, so far so good, they are super easy to use, but now, I'm considering the THU. It looks like a very good option. Thanks for the video man.
The fractal woulda been good to keep for live. You gonna take a laptop to shows now? Lol
@@LCRLive687 I Would love to. But I'm a bedroom/pc guitar player, I enjoy my Kemper and my plugins for myself.
I agree. I sold my Axe fx2 not so long ago, as well as Kemper before that.. Amp sims sound just as good as the hardware modellers/profilers nowadays. Anyone who is not completely deaf, can easily hear that.
you use the th-u rig profiles? sound even better than sims. they just released a hybrid pack of amp sim/profilers. They profiled amps at different settings and used AI to fill in the blanks. So you can change the knobs and it'll react like the real thing.
@@terran236 I'll check it out, Thanks!
I love THU, I have tried everything except for Softube Amp Room which I am eager to test. THU just blew every other amp sim I had tried out of the water. Many presets, many patches are crap, that is to be expected… one needs to find their sounds for their particular pickups etc but when you find it it’s amazing. Once I discovered Rig Player I stopped using the algorithm based patches. All Amp sims produce fizz and so does THU, I took my sounds to the next level but adding a multiband compressor in the mids and an ssl E EQ to cut the fizz followed by tape saturation.
That’s good stuff. I agree with all that. 💥🔥
Hi can you explain more about the compressir and the ssl E EQ? Can you share a preset?
@@andreasqwe compression makes the sound stronger and smoother. On the buss comp I just use presets on the plug-in.
Love TH-U. Don't feel the need to get another one.
🤘😎
So right. Cheers!
I have tried many sim amps and I think THU is the one that comes closest to the real harmonics of the analog equipment, it sounds dynamic and natural. Another one that I also think achieves well is the SPARK if you like the Marshall sound, that if at least I have problems with its noise gate, which is quite bad.
I discover the combination of THU with EZmix2 and is awsome i recommend it ! .
I know a guy who digs the Spark. ⚡️🔥
Wow, I'm hearing the opposite. I preferred the Neural sounds. To each their own though.
I tried and bought the Gojira, Soldano, and Parallax (bass) plugins, and have been loving them. Mainly using them for NWOAHM metal type stuff. But I just found out today that I have TH-u with Slate's All Access Pass, so I've been tweaking with it the past couple hours. The buzziness you mentioned that makes amp sims sound like software is actually kinda what I hear with TH-u (as well as the few other amp plugins I've tried). I might need to tweak with TH-u a bit more, but to me, the Neural stuff sounds and feels the most "real" so far.
Nice! Enjoy!💥🙌
I really wanted to use amp sims for my new project's recordings, but that high frequency hiss just makes it sound so digital it's annoying.
Dude. You shouldn't use "to each their own". It's some of the worst nazi language ever. The phrase was above the gate at Auschwitz. I'm not kidding you.
Nice vid bos...i love thu plugins
Word 🙌🤘
Are these two examples gain matched? Feels like the NDSP is significantly softer to me.
In your examples, it does seem that the NDSP plug-in lacks some low-midrange punch.
Nah friend nothing matched per se. It’s the same signal going in but past that it’s just feel and personal preference in that moment.
They're obviously not. The Overloud is way louder, I'm pretty sure that's why most of the people on the comments think it sounds better, when in reality they both sound like crap on this demo.
Most of the sound comes from the IRs of the speaker cabs. When comparing amp sims using the same IRs is a good idea.
Between Neural and Overloud each sounded not as good through each other’s cab sims. Same for GGD Cali Cabs. For me I always come back to the THU and it’s sims especially from rig captures.
When I use TH-U or Pro Logic, I hear the unplugged sound of my guitar underneath the programs FX and amp. Is there a setting I’m missing to eliminate that?
By “unplugged”, I mean to say it’s clean sound.
Yea you’re probably hearing the direct monitoring signal from your sound interface. I’d check on that.
I own the THU and I like a lot of it, but I like it better for treating guitar recorded through a tube amp after the fact. I can't quantify it, but there is beef missing with the VSTs. Maybe I'm just hearing or not hearing things. The sound isn't as broad or satsifying with a VST as it is with a mic'd amp. When I get a good amp sound, I am grinning, not so much with VSTs. I often feel like I'm in the ballpark, but I'm not feeling the jolt or the spark taking me over. Then again, I've been buying rigs, and just need to spend more time on them.
I use many pedals in front of the interface with THU it’s an improved sound
Word. Have fun!
What about your guitar sound interface ? Sound so good with deep bass and clear high ends .
I used 212 scarlet with good deep bass and Audient EVO with more neutral sound but still missing something.....
Perhaps better AD/DA converters in my interface vs the 2i2. Mine is a Focusrite Red 4Pre which is the top end of the Focusrite line. That’s probably the difference you’re hearing.
Upgraded from focusrite claret to apogee quartet. HUGE difference in live sound. YMMV
It seems our taste in tones is much alike, however I have to say this man, you are a frikkin unbelievable artist man. Have you released any original music?
Thanks so much! Yes lots of music. 💥🍻 linktr.ee/andyharper
The Soldano X88R with a Coffee Lungo IR (fredman) and the Fortin Cali with a Revv IR (fredman) has been my go to guitar recording patch. Tge quiet pedal and tube screamer in front as always.
Try swapping the Cab with third party IR's. Glenn Frickers IR pack is tits.
I tried the Neural stuff and the Helix stuff. It's good don't get me wrong. I'm with you though. The Rig Player just sounds more natural.
I def need to try some can IRs yep. Cheers!
Tried most of them at some point, and 99% of the time TH-U is what I use. Neural plugs are collecting virtual dust, Kemper is collecting dust, Helix is collecting dust. My 100/50 watt amp heads I like to use but it's just too easy to fire up TH-U
I feel this 100%! Cheers!🙌
The THU sounds great but the default also got the pedals running.. the neural dsp default is just amp and cab.. it’s ir load ability and stand alone option is amazing on the neural plug-ins..
I own the archetype “Gorjira” and “plini”
My TH-U default is 100% empty. 😂
I think, after watching this, I'm not getting the same treble artifacting with my Neural DSP amps like you are...but, not being a wise guy here, I also don't play a single coil through them either. I also drop tune my guitars when using Neural. I get huge sound that is tight and articulate. Two guitars that I use with Neural are both 7 strings. One is the Ormsby Hype GTR and the other is PRS Mark Holcomb SVN with the Duncan Alpha Omega set. These guitars scream through the Neural DSP sims, I wont use another with them. I absolutely love the Neural DSP amps, especially Nolly and Gojira. They can be tweaked to sound full, and encompassing. Having said all that, I find myself going back to the TH-U sim more and more. And the deeper I dive into it, the better it becomes...so much so, that I don't even use my Fractal AX-8 anymore. TH-U is simply the best by far. I'm still saving for the Neural DSP Soldano, but it was great you shared your TH-U version. It's spot on with my strat. I wish you would run a workshop on some of the lead riffs you are playing.
Dig that train of thought! Yea that Soldano sim is pretty damn amazing. And true as rain on metal tones and 7 strings. Nolly has a great tone too, and I need to try Gojira. But yeah…none were so good that I’d buy em right now, given I have TH-U. Those amp sims look amazing too. 😂 cheers!
I’ll look back at whatever I’m playing and maybe so. 💥
I believe these sims were designed for lower tunings, currently testing Neural DSPs and Otto Audio II II II II with an E standard-tuned Schecter C-1 Blackjack (Lundgren M6s) and I just cannot find something for my style of music.
@@padraig88 What did you think of the Otto Eleven Eleven? I tried it and thought it sounded great, lots of different tones you can generate. It has tons of adjustments all that really work very well but it can be overwhelming with the back of the amp, the different tubes, the sag, bias, then the IR's and so on... I am looking for a solid setup that is good for modern progressive metal and djent. Any strong recommendations? Do you like anything in THU? They have a new "All Metal Gears" set of amps aimed at high gain modern metal - not sure what to think...
@@genjitsu7448 I think the Otto is pretty good after all, I managed to find a pretty great tone using some of his impulse responses. I have one track with the Nolly and one track with the Otto. Found good tones for both Black Metal in E Standard and Goregrind in A Standard. Try it out and buy his Dont Sell IR pack!
I did the same thing with Amplitube 5. Neural was good, but preferred A5. Lower gain Marshall JCM800 and before, tweeds etc. In 30+ years Ive never used pedals, and A5 did that better, for me. Tried THU, but seemed more metal?
I couldn’t say really cause primarily I use the rig models of specific amps. Built on models I don’t have much experience with.
@@alwaysandy_ Perhaps it wasn't a fair comparison, on my end. I wanted Neural to sound more "vintage", and I'm not sure if that's their thing. I have a bunch of amps, and A5 sounded/felt closer to the amps I own. Neither VST sounds as good as the amp in the room, but both pretty close to the mic'd sound. Even closer if Ii have an attenuator on bedroom level. VST's are a good tool.
@@65pancakes82 yea Neural isn’t so much vintage lol
@@alwaysandy_ why I felt the need to quantify. They have a vintage tone king dsp out that I haven't tried.
Honestly, I think most of the top modelers are DAMN close to the recording of the real thing. Neural and THU both seem to have been finalized by guys with a more modern ear- thats cool.
For 30+ years, I've plugged - Guitar- Cord- into a 4 holer, a JMP, Jcm800 2204/2205, or a Tweed. No pedals. Single coil Strats.
For now? I give A5 the edge, here.
Does THU have any vintage sounds? (I couldn't find any 2 years ago)
I think its folly thinking one company is "best". Always whats best for YOU. This was a GOOD review . I happened to prefer the THU...I can't disagree. (Sounded great!) When I tried THU, i felt it was exceptionally mixed- but I wasn't sure about tone....So i made em all mono with nothing... Things dropped off- for ME.
Great review.
I'm curious. What happens when you remove every single mixing option? Guitar-> cord-> Amp-> Cab. Noticed dual amp in the review. Love to hear your stripped to nothing thoughts.
Most of the TH-U stuff is just ok, while a lot of it is filler. There are a couple of amazing patches in there though. I own almost all of the Neural stuff and I own a bunch of the TH-U and for home project studio stuff the TH-U is great. For professional metal production it's hard to beat the Neural stuff. I've been producing modern rock full time for about 25 years fwiw, and I use both of these programs a lot especially for overdubs over real amps + cabs. If I was only allowed to keep one company it would be Neural.
Right on. I like the beefy cab sims perhaps better than the tones I think. They’re all so good though it’s really splitting hairs.
you should try thu's dual rec rigplayer..man,i love it soo much n I use it ios version with iphn7.n that's my portable same sound everywhere...i wish if ndsp make some ios version..anyway,loved to see the comparison.keep it up
Cheers!! 🙌🤘
I have more experience with the Neural stuff than TH-U, but both get the job done just fine. I have played extensively with Overloud's much older TH2, and man that thing is great. Overloud have been doing high gain tones for a long time and it shows. Very convincing models for rock and metal.
I still love the Neural Fortin Cali and Archetype Gojira though.
Awesome playing.
Yea dude and Neural amp sims sound great in mixes. Mmmm. It’s all so good. 😂
At the end all sounds good and different : but, in my opinion, THU is more close to real amps
Kinda where I landed. Cheers!
@@alwaysandy_ Cheers !
Overloud is top notch i have said it for quite a few years but the only problem i have with big suites like this is that i wish they would have everything in trial until you decide to buy...for example get the whole suite with all the features but the moment you try an amp the trial starts for..that amp alone...giving you time to test and see if you like it and if you do pay and buy only that amp..or only that overdrive pedal....the asking price for all of them isnt much if you think about the totality of it but most people dont need all of them...essentially a vox,a plexi,a fender and a rectifier is enough for most people along with only certain pedals and effects....if people had the option to buy only the necessary amps they need and not the suites overloud bundles for them then it would be way more successful as a product cause sound wise is not inferior to anything....
I feel that.
Anyone tried TONEX recently? Pretty good plugin. I Wonder how it compares with THU.
Never heard of it. Will try. 💥
I did trials of both and went with TH-U. Messing with iLok was a real turn off for the Neural. I was looking for strat sounds and Archetype: Cory Wong was pretty good but liked the TH-U Eric Gales better and got it on sale for $39 US. Then they have easy trials of everything. Finally purchased the full package on a black friday special and am very pleased with the sounds for SC or HB.
Eric Gales tones are sick. 💥
It depends what you need but Neural DSP (any model) is full step above the TH-U
Agree to disagree!
@@alwaysandy_ ofcourse... We all have different tastes
@@jasminmisicmusic agree to agree! 😂
Is it better than multiFx? I was going to get Ampero 2 Stomp for $500.
No idea sorry!
TH-u!
Th-u is the best today. I can confirm that.
I might probably definitely agree. 😂
Yes it's the best.
I'm curious do you use mac or Windows pc?
And what audio interface?
@@ratedrsuperstarthega Mac. Focusrite Red4Pre
would u be willing to share your overloud presets
I have a link to em somewhere. Email me or dm via Discord. Links are in bios on my socials.
@@alwaysandy_ ok whats your email
i dont have discord
ok Im subscribing, I hope you would share your presets with me. especially the soldano. would be great.
I’ll share em here, check back later.
Neural sounds like real
Ok
IT DOESNT SEEM TO have as much HEAVY METAL TONES...not like neural dsp but maybe it requires more exploring
No it doesn’t out of the box. You’d have to get some metal amps for the rig player.
hello! nice vid, can you send me a DM for your sound in overloud so i can copy that in my overloud?
No! Make your own sounds it’s fun. 🤘
overloud wins here
🙌💥🔥
Th-u is 10times better.
Or…11?😂💥
Yeah, I tried the Neural plugins and they ALL suck noodles.
😂😂😂
I can´t believe a man being that fooled by all the delays and shit in the THU models! The Neural sounds like the real thing, THU always sounds like every preset is done by a very boring producer who loves the 80`s.
Agree to disagree.
@@alwaysandy_ So you can´t hear that the TH-U is cluttered with echo, delay, reverbs, overdrive, compressors, EQ`s, and other things. It´s like eating a bad hamburger that is covered with so much crap it doesn´t even taste like a burger.
@@michaelwirth6843 so u can’t understand that some people might have a different opinion than you?
@@michaelwirth6843 lol you are butthurt because TH-U sounds better! :D
Many presets in thu might be unusable but what matters is what sounds you can get with your own tweaking and creativity using the simulation. Thu is more realistic and is suitable for those who love vintage valve tones, bluesy and rich breakup guitar sound, and not just a plastic chuggy overly saturated high gain that neural produces
I don't know if people are just deaf or only trying to justify their purchases to themselves, but holy crap both of this plug-ins sound awful and as digital as it gets on this demo. Sorry not sorry.
Oh it’s cool, you’re wrong. ! Sorry not sorry. 🤷♂️
@@alwaysandy_ I know the truth hurts and denial is the best defense mechanism on this cases. One day you’ll come back to this video and realize it’s the worst guitar plug-in demo on UA-cam, your tone sucks and you make both plug-ins sound like total crap.
@@GreatBurningNullifier hahaha this is great! (and it’s helping me in the algorithm!) I wonder, what makes you feel like you have to act like a total ass to strangers in public? Lots, lots of people disagree and simply move on. But not you!! You’ve gotta lift your gifted leg and spray some of your toxic shit around. Who broke you? Have you ever tried being nice or smiling? Too bad for you this actually helps me dumb ass!