I suspect Essendon & West Coast fans will dislike the mooted trades - upon reflection Essendon could probably trade for Richmond's 23 rather than 20. But I maintain both those clubs wanting trade for Richmond's picks in this scenario will be the ones with more urgency to get a deal done, thus it being expensive (particularly live).
I would argue that it very much depends on who’s available at those selections. If Shanahan or Tiaru is available the bombers will trade up aggressively
If dodoro was still at bombers he'd trade ours and Melbourne's future firsts for whatever pick is straight after the kako bid. Then he'd use it to pick the drafts biggest spud about 20 picks sooner than projected. I'm patiently waiting for the reveal that dodo was sent here from an opposing team to cripple our list for 20 years.
Dodo should get together with arrogant Kinnear Beatson at Sydney, who is a first round spud picker, or he trades the pick out just to be obtuse. He needs to be shown the door …
Fantastic episode as usual, still not sold on swapping picks, happy to keep what we have this year and with the strength in next year's draft do not want to swap any of the future picks either 💙💛🦅🏆
For Richmond, I'd love to get pick 2 and take 6 picks in this draft - pick 1 and 2 takes the pressure off nailing pick 1 (when it seems there is probably 3-5 names who could be feasibly seen as the top prospect depending on who you ask) and probably allows us to select the 2 best midfielders we rate. 6 kids together would allow them to fast track their development and maybe take off some of that external pressure and scrutiny placed on high draft picks.
I think the problem is there the tigers don’t need more than one top end midfielder they have Taranto and Hopper, I would say a key forward is far more important for them
@@Chuckakhan I disagree we should be taking 3-4 mids atleast. Hopper is average at best, plus a mid can play wing or even across HF/HB. Langford/FOS can play across the HF as well. Mids are versatile and will have a leaning towards back or forward too. Only maybe Jagga Smith is a mid only. I'd say we only take 1 tall forward. We still have Lefau coming back in plus Bauer has solidified his spot. And whatever Lynch is able to do. Unlikely we would play another tall alongside Lynch, Lefau, Bauer but good to have some depth to drop Kosi
As a Richmond fan there is little point giving away 6&10 or 6&11 to get 2. Excluding Ashcroft & Brisbane, if we take Lalor 1, Carlton take O'Sullivan 3 and Adelaide take Draper 4, then for picks 2, 5 & 6, Jagga Smith, Harvey Langford and Josh Smillie will be in play. All of these have been rated as potential number 1's, and Richmond have shown interest in all the above. In an even top 6-7 midfield heavy top end draft, giving up pick 10 or 11, which could be Murphy Reid, Harry Armstrong, Alix Tauru, Toby Travaglia or Luke Trainor, would be silly when keeping pick 6 at worst we would likely pick up Smillie or Langford. If Richmond has their heart set on Langford over Smillie and are worried Melbourne will pick Langford up at 5, then do a cheeky pick swap with Adelaide (6&23 for 4), as Melbourne are unlikely to pick Draper at 5 given the go home risk (recently burnt by Luke Jackson), and Draper still very likely heads to Adelaide with pick 6 (although they would never be forgiven if I'm wrong and he goes at 5). My humble advice to Richmond is if you want pick 2 don't offer up pick 6, tell North 10&11 for 2, or keep current hand and tell North we'll have Tauru and Trainor (very happy). If they go for 10&11 then we'll end up with three of the top 6-7 prospects, likely (from rumor) Lalor, Smith and either Smillie or Langford (even happier). Please Richmond, although pick 2 sounds great, don't overpay for it when pick 6 if not likely to be significantly different in quality.
It will depend on how they actually rate the players. For example if they really want Jagga and Lalor, pick 6 will likely not be enough at this point. Maybe Smillie is not the type they want. But If I were Richmond I’d definitely keep 10 and 11, yeah.
@@LomuHabana I love the look of Jagga but think Smillie and either of Reid, Armstrong, Tauru, Trainor or Travaglia, is worth more than Jagga alone. Unless the tigers recruiters think Jagga is the next Nick Diacos. This is too high an expectation.
@@benjysc1977 I agree, in terms of pure (level of) quality, that is too high a price. But it matters what type(s) of midfielder they are after. Jagga is the ultimate ball magnet and Lalor appears to be a Dusty Martin like high impact per disposal player. Those two players seem, both in terms of talent as well as type, a really really good package for the Tigs. Jagga/Lalor and Smillie maybe less so. I would certainly not compromise 10 and/or 11 but depending on what the recruiters at Richmond are after, trading 6 and some later/future pick(s) for pick 2 might be worth considering, don’t you think?
There seems to be a bit of pushback from North fans against swapping 3 for 6&18. I wouldn't do that from Richmonds side. If this draft is as even as reported, then chances are that the kid at 6 is just as good as the kid at 3. They would be better off trying to trade 18 with WC for maybe Hawthorns first rounder next year. (18 this year for 18 next year seems fair) Either way, I don't see much value in consolidating picks this year. North should do 3 for 6&18 in a heartbeat.
Cochran projected to be in the 40-55 range. Sydney will be absolutely fine to match as 59 comes in to 53 after the first 4 major bid matches which will cover a bid match up to 40 which is projected to be the exact pick after Sydney's current 44 comes into 39 or 40 after the major 4 bid matches. Also if he continues slipping past then it doesn't matter as if he goes 4th round a deficit I believe won't carry over as 4th rounders carry no draft value next year. Sydney would be trading up but also grabbing an F3 next year imo
If my team Essendon trade back into this draft after Kako bid, I hope that we acquire pick 18 from Richmond or pick 16 from GWS. Would like to get Shanahan but if he goes in the top 20 and swapping pick 23 with Richmond is not a great deal for us. If Geelong wanted to trade their future first into this year than pick 23 Richmond would be ideal. If I was Richmond I would try to spread the 8 picks across two years in the first round. Acquiring two or three future firsts from rival clubs would be great business for Tigers this year.
@@hehehheheheheehehehehehe6476 Nah, you're regurgitating tabloid bullshit just like 95% of other people. I doubt you have seen a single 2025 draftee play in person.
To counter the Essendon comment, Essendon may want to bank their future firsts for a tilt at Harley Reid next year. West Coast have incentive to do the deal as they will need capital for a crack at Warner. Essendon would be in prime position if they retain those two and somehow get another first (free agency or future first).
If he comes back to Victoria he would go to one of the big three MCG teams or Geelong. Also it would be for 2027 not next year (2026)because there 3 year contracts now and West coast won’t trade him with a contract.
No way Essendon trade a future first. Trading back into round 1 would e nice but I think they wait on Kako first then MAYBE trade into the second or third round. Don’t forget. Essendon have Rosa now, not Dodoro, and he has clearly mapped out a youth program. I suspect Essendon, and maybe Melbourne, to finish bottom 8 next year. Trading a future first when they could have two top ten picks next year, in what looks like a draft where you’ll need higher picks, doesn’t sound like Rosa. I reckon he’s waiting to see what he needs to match any bid on Kako (and he won’t have to wait long) and then see if he’s got enough left to trade back into the second or third rounds - if he wants too. He’ll need the picks in the 50’s to match Kako and maybe a bit more. But that’s why Rosa did what I consider to be an excellent deal with Melbourne. Started with 2 picks. Number 1 priority - Issac Kako. Build draft capital. See how the chips fall on draft day. No way Essendon trade back into this year’s first round or give up a future first. Rosa seems to have a much better handle on the whole draft/trade thing than Dodoro ever had - not that that’s saying much. Essendon member.
Kako picks will be 28 + 31 ...... these 2 picks are very valuable in this deep pool. These 2 picks need to be dealt or lost, i suspect they will go with future 1sts to get back in early
Thinking 10 and 11 from Tigers for 2 from Roos would be fair but this all depends on Tigers wanting two particular mids and one of them is Finn with Carlton at pic 3 ready to swoop.
I am a neutral in this situation and I think 6 and 18-20 is about right in a fairly even and deep draft. Also I believe north are targeting talls and it would be insane not to move down where they will still be available and get a second one in the first round. Also Richmond are the only team in a position to do that trade so take it or leave it!
@@seantayler5418 Here's the thing, there's nothing "even" about picks 1 to 4 when compared with picks 5 to 8-9 or 8-9 to 30. 1) There's a SIGNIFICANT difference between a Finn O'Sullivan (pick 2), Josh Smillie (pick 8) and Joe Berry (pick 18). This is a DEEP draft, but it is not EVEN until the draft hits the teens. 2) North are not necessarily targeting talls either, Clarkson has already ruled out prioritising key defenders. 3) North's F1 & 2 and pick 2 are in play, so StKilda, Melbourne or even Adelaide may present offers. 4) Richmond won't be dictating anything to North.
Great video mate. Loving these hypotheticals! - Pick 2 and F3rd for picks 6 and 18 ❌️ Severely undervaluing pick 2 and really think thats got better value at pick 6 and 11. Pick 2's value plus a future pick should net North two top 15 selections comfortably. My justification comes from the idea that Richmond will most more than likely want to refine and condense their picks and could potentially go from 8 to 5 first round picks on the basis that the tigers will look to recruit soecific players for their teams spine moving forward. Tassie looms and trading up to pick 2 would be a HUGE benefit while also spreading selections in both this and next years draft.
I agree that pick 2 is worth a lot, particularly when you already hold pick 1 because you are in full control of who you pick from the top 6 which consensus has as more elite than what follows. The pick 6 Richmond currently holds will therefore just fall outside that top 6 after Brisbane get to match the bid on Ashcroft. I hope North make it known to Richmond that if they are left with pick 2 without an adequately compensated pick trade, that they will target the best player available and try to trade their F1 for another pick in the top 10. That would interfere with Richmond's plans as undoubtedly they will have clear preferences for players with their top two picks. It might be bluff, but is it worth the risk for Richmond to ignore it? People who focus on draft points to make a case of fairness in trades don't understand the real worth of draft picks because those points are just artificial and often don't reflect reality.
The value has been set this year by wce 12 and 14 got 3 so there is no chance your getting 6 and 11 in an even draft there isn't a clear top only then would 2 be worth more . We would not give up basically a top 10 pick to move 4 spots makes no sense at all when we are in a full rebuild
@@gustaaf1892its not about fair value its about who is desperate and that is North they severely need a key position. Second of all have you seen tigers negotiate this trade period they aint playing north will be lucky to get 6+18 most likely will offer 6+23
As a North fan, I'm very interested to see how this whole Pick 2 situation plays out. I do think Richmond will be interested in Pick 2 however I'm exactly sure how desperate they are. Even if they hold 6 they're getting 2 of FOS, Jagga, Langford, Draper, Lalor and Reid. Which at the end of the day for Richmond is a very good win. I will say I recon they'll want first choice of 2 of them, which could definitely lean in our favour. We'll be the ones wanting to split the pick not Richmond. So we have to somehow come up with a trade that 1) doesn't seem unders to Richmond, but 2) also seems pretty fair to us. I do feel like regardless we'll likely pay slightly overs, but I'm not trading 2 and a future 3rd for 6 and 18. I feel like though as we are heavily linked to 3 players (Tauru, Armstrong and Trainor), we'll likely want minimum 2 of them. Fuck knows where any go honestly though. All 3 could be Top 10 picks (unlikely but still possible). One that I saw was; North Get: Pick 6, 11, 20/23 Richmond Get: Pick 2 and Future 2nd (tied to NM) (and even a Future 3rd) We get 3 picks this year, Richmond get Picks 1 and 2, whilst still having 10, 18, 23 and 24 to have a great hand this year and likely net them roughly pick 23 or so next year. And then if the F3rd is added, a pick in the early 40s. I'd then imagine us getting 2 of Trainor, Tauru and Armstrong and then getting on of the Whitlocks. Though again I am a North fan so I've probably gone full bias mode here.
Pick 2 is not worth it if Ashcroft is not available. As a Richmond supporter, I would be happy to hold on to picks and choose the best available midfielders. Picks 1 and 6 guarantee two great midfielders, and pick 11 gives us a very good chance to get a third.
I just dont get why we give up 6 for 4 spots and lose another first rounder yes we miss on finn but forcing nth to pick at 2 likely they take Armstrong anyway and then we get an elite mid at 6 win win for us and then get the pick at 18 unless we are so in love with finn that we just have to have him
Could we potentially trade our future first , yes we'd take a hit but pick 10 from Richmond or ask for pick 6 ? , we'd have to ask soon before other teams act.
I think North is looking for two picks closer together. I could see 2 and future first for 6 & 10. Also, there was a rumor that Dees have their eye on #2.
Is Armstrong really that much better than the KPF's that will be in the early teens range? I don't think so & don't see North trading for 6 to grab Armstrong.
@@TrueFootyAFL Pick 2 is pick 2. 10 & 11 will be 12 & 13 minimum. Can't see North touching that. I can't see North buckling for less than 6 & 11, particularly considering there's mail that StKilda are keen to trade 7 & 8 (sliding to 8-9 or 9-10) for pick 2. I don't buy this crap about an "even 30" draft, there's definitely 4 players at the top, then another 4-5 that follow before the draft flattens out. The football illiterates are once again hoovering up Cal Twomey level crap. He's a journalist, not a track watcher.
StK will most likely likely do 2 pick trades Future first for a pick in the early 20s And pick 9 will be split if all of the key mids are off the table
Good video 👍. Like you said at the beginning of your video on pick 2 that you don’t see how that would get done. I agree with that as a Richmond Fan I wouldn’t be trading picks 1 , 6 , 10 , 11 , & 18 they are not up for trade in my mind. You are always open to listening but I don’t see how North and Richmond could agree that’s suits both Clubs. I can see how Richmond picks 23 & 24 could be got for 1st rounds pick next year. Given the Draft is so even in the top 30 I would be happy to use’s all 8 picks in this draft ? As we have lost a lot of players and have the room to do that. I done a list of what I would like at Richmond picks if available? And there’s a player I would like at Richmond that I can not fit into the early picks we have in Harrison Olivier that I think will be a player in years to come that we all will look at thinking he should have gone higher in this draft than what he ends up going ? I still think he needs to be considered with our picks in the 20’s by Richmond ? He just fit outside our picks in draft pool but if you think the player is 200+ Players you back yourself and the player in and draft them early than suggested. He is one the best kicks in the draft but I think he could go into the Midfield in the Future and be getting more the footy and using it well ? He will be a interesting player where he gets drafted at and where ?
Why do Freo need to trade another pick into the future to be serious about a Chad Warner bid? You can trade 2 years into the future as of next year and Freo still have their F1. If Warner wants Freo, it won't matter what the Eagles can offer Sydney.
@@john-murraynewman-scotch6567 uncontracted means nothing look at baker. sydney needs to be compensated if not they can just go to the other club and sell highest bidder. If Freo with Bolton makes finals next year they will go all in for warner unless eagle can strike an agreement early on with warner (and sydney) hence bypassing freo. if its in the open market i can see eagles offering two F1 and freo countering with three
I didn't mean to suggest that they need to trade into the future if they are serious about it. I meant more it's unlikely to be tempted by trading 14 into the future unless they are VERY serious about Chad Warner. I hope that distinction makes sense!
I’d prefer west coast to trade its own future first for 10 and 18 from tigers, as long as it’s for a prospect they view in their top 5 of talents. We’ll still have more picks for Warner and I think he’d be given more midfield time at WC than freo
Essendon will only trade back into this year's draft if Harry Armstrong is still available to get.. For instance, if Harry Armstrong is still there @ pick 10. Then Richmond might entertain swapping their pick 10, for Essendon's 2 x future first picks.
Disagree. There are 4-6 players (Ashcroft not included) that have a stake for the 2nd pick and at a stretch, I could go up to pick 8. So Pick 2 is not worth 2 top 10 picks again aside from the top pick and Ashcroft
I think six and 18 is about right in this strong draft. It could even be six and 20 quite frankly.. I saw someone else posting 6 11 and 20 but that was just ridiculous.
@@_Vicarious that’s absolutely fine by me. Very happy to keep pics as he quite frankly.. don’t forget this is an incredibly strong draft where people cannot pick between one and eight. Thus pick six value is higher than normal. Much higher.
@@spindoctor6385 quite probably correct. I think they need to swing back this year though if they can. There is a bunch of negatives in taking so many in one year, But the more swings we have more chance we have hits. Maybe that’s an naive approach.
@@davidmills9653 I don't think there is a "right" way to do it. The trade suggested though seems wasteful. If the draft is as even as reported then pick 6 is nearly as good as pick 3. It just seems like giving away 18 for very little. If I followed the Tiges, I wouldn't totally against just taking all the picks this year and hoping 3-4 of them become good decade long players.
I amended it to pick 20 in the pinned comment. If it's an early mid-teens pick next year, that's not a massive downgrade to an early 20s pick in a stronger draft given they're the ones that need to tempt Richmond. But yeah, perhaps Essendon wouldn't do that!
Geelong need a future first for Zac Butters ,so much talk around that he wants to go home and next year and that he's already met Geelong,U can trade 2 years into the future.
Butters is contracted until the end of 2026, after copping all the flak they have with the Houston trade, Port won’t be releasing him unless Geelong produce an incredible offer ie 2 top 10 picks. Will he be at Geelong in 2027? probably - but don’t go thinking he will be there in 2026.
Essendon way more likley to trade for one of gws picks. 23 is not even close to worth it, they would only trade if shanahan is available imo which he would not be in the 20s melbourne most likely miss the 8 next year a pick in the 20s seems like much more than just a tax.
It does depend big time on how well Melbourne do next year. I find it hard to place them. It makes it a difficult pick to trade because of that...but fair take mate
If a draft where pick 2 could be as good as pick 6 you would have to have something else on the table aswell maybe a future 3rd but 2nd sounds about right
North need to fill 3 players on the list and 1 rookie spot. Cooper Harvey, Charlie Lazzaro and Blake Drury are all currently uncontracted, but not delisted. Don't be surprised if North throw an F1 or F2 in the mix with a Richmond pick trade. Conversely, there's no way Richmond want to takke 8 in one draft, they will look to buy in to next year.
North are not giving Richmond their pick 2 and F1 in any pick trade scenario. Melbourne and St Kilda provide other opportunities for pick trades, so Richmond isn't the only game in town.
@@redtiger4352 As I said, The North #2 and F1 won't be available in any trade scenario. Melbourne is a very unlikely participant in a pick trade, which leaves Saints. I think #2 + F2 for #7 and 8 could go close if the Saints are keen on securing one of the elite midfield talents.
@@gustaaf1892 if you said melbourne is out then that only leaves saints anf tigers. Less people to deal with the less fabourable plus North is very desperate. if i was saints i would reject your proposal. F2 north is likely pushed back to mid 20s yeah no way
for reference, Sydney made a play for our pick 3 that we used on Dusty - they offered 6 and 14 - so 6 & 18 for 2 might be a fairer deal (with no future pick)
@@denikoydovski9839 Pick 2 is more valuable when you already hold pick one because it gives you full control over who you get with your first two picks. The general consensus is that there is an elite top 5 or 6, which would mean that after a matched Ashcroft bid the pick 6 falls outside of that group. North should make it known to Richmond that if they are left with pick 2 without adequate compensation that they will target the best player available and try to trade their F1 for another pick in the top 10. That would interfere with Richmond's plans as undoubtedly they will have clear preferences for players with their top two picks. It might be bluff, but is it worth the risk for Richmond to ignore it?
@@gustaaf1892 Thst all sounds nice in theory but North won’t be getting another Top 10 pick anywhere else this year. Saints need talent now and won’t do that deal. Dees traded up to be in this draft so I doubt they will want to come out again. Who else is left? 6 and 18 is actually a good deal for North, they get Armstrong at 6 and another good kid. Pick 2 has to be a midfielder but do they really need another one?
West Coast could trade Hawks F1 & F3 and pick 12 to Richmond for 10 & 18 or potentially F2 for Richmond’s pick 24. That would give away all the Barrass picks but they would end up with 10,18,24,26 and that would prob ease the backlash for losing pick 3.
So for a small downgrade from from 10 to 12 the Eagles would then give a F1 and F3 to get hold of pick 18 which will likely fall somewhere in the 20s. That seems like a very steep price to pay.
I dont mind that, 4 picks in the first 26 is a great return in a draft like this. I'd like to see us make a play for chad Warner next year so as long as we don't trade our future first id be happy with a play to increase our draft hand this year
No way North trade pick 2 for Richmonds 6 and 18. 18 is way unders. 6 and either 10 or 11 is fair imo. Now if North trade its future 1st as well in the deal then maybe 6,10 and 11 is a fair deal for those picks. You would expect North's pick next year would be a top 5 pick.
I'm still unsure 6 for 10 and 11 would be accepted by Richmond. However...your second suggestions is a ripping call I reckon. 6, 10 and 11 for 2 and an F1
I suspect Essendon & West Coast fans will dislike the mooted trades - upon reflection Essendon could probably trade for Richmond's 23 rather than 20. But I maintain both those clubs wanting trade for Richmond's picks in this scenario will be the ones with more urgency to get a deal done, thus it being expensive (particularly live).
I would argue that it very much depends on who’s available at those selections. If Shanahan or Tiaru is available the bombers will trade up aggressively
If dodoro was still at bombers he'd trade ours and Melbourne's future firsts for whatever pick is straight after the kako bid. Then he'd use it to pick the drafts biggest spud about 20 picks sooner than projected.
I'm patiently waiting for the reveal that dodo was sent here from an opposing team to cripple our list for 20 years.
Dodo should get together with arrogant Kinnear Beatson at Sydney, who is a first round spud picker, or he trades the pick out just to be obtuse. He needs to be shown the door …
Fantastic episode as usual, still not sold on swapping picks, happy to keep what we have this year and with the strength in next year's draft do not want to swap any of the future picks either 💙💛🦅🏆
For Richmond, I'd love to get pick 2 and take 6 picks in this draft - pick 1 and 2 takes the pressure off nailing pick 1 (when it seems there is probably 3-5 names who could be feasibly seen as the top prospect depending on who you ask) and probably allows us to select the 2 best midfielders we rate. 6 kids together would allow them to fast track their development and maybe take off some of that external pressure and scrutiny placed on high draft picks.
I think the problem is there the tigers don’t need more than one top end midfielder they have Taranto and Hopper, I would say a key forward is far more important for them
@@Chuckakhan I disagree we should be taking 3-4 mids atleast. Hopper is average at best, plus a mid can play wing or even across HF/HB. Langford/FOS can play across the HF as well. Mids are versatile and will have a leaning towards back or forward too. Only maybe Jagga Smith is a mid only.
I'd say we only take 1 tall forward. We still have Lefau coming back in plus Bauer has solidified his spot. And whatever Lynch is able to do.
Unlikely we would play another tall alongside Lynch, Lefau, Bauer but good to have some depth to drop Kosi
@@bobcat718 mids, mids and more mids is what I say. It we could somehow snag Taura amongst all the mids that would be our icing on the cake!
As a Richmond fan there is little point giving away 6&10 or 6&11 to get 2. Excluding Ashcroft & Brisbane, if we take Lalor 1, Carlton take O'Sullivan 3 and Adelaide take Draper 4, then for picks 2, 5 & 6, Jagga Smith, Harvey Langford and Josh Smillie will be in play. All of these have been rated as potential number 1's, and Richmond have shown interest in all the above. In an even top 6-7 midfield heavy top end draft, giving up pick 10 or 11, which could be Murphy Reid, Harry Armstrong, Alix Tauru, Toby Travaglia or Luke Trainor, would be silly when keeping pick 6 at worst we would likely pick up Smillie or Langford. If Richmond has their heart set on Langford over Smillie and are worried Melbourne will pick Langford up at 5, then do a cheeky pick swap with Adelaide (6&23 for 4), as Melbourne are unlikely to pick Draper at 5 given the go home risk (recently burnt by Luke Jackson), and Draper still very likely heads to Adelaide with pick 6 (although they would never be forgiven if I'm wrong and he goes at 5). My humble advice to Richmond is if you want pick 2 don't offer up pick 6, tell North 10&11 for 2, or keep current hand and tell North we'll have Tauru and Trainor (very happy). If they go for 10&11 then we'll end up with three of the top 6-7 prospects, likely (from rumor) Lalor, Smith and either Smillie or Langford (even happier). Please Richmond, although pick 2 sounds great, don't overpay for it when pick 6 if not likely to be significantly different in quality.
It will depend on how they actually rate the players. For example if they really want Jagga and Lalor, pick 6 will likely not be enough at this point. Maybe Smillie is not the type they want.
But If I were Richmond I’d definitely keep 10 and 11, yeah.
@@LomuHabana I love the look of Jagga but think Smillie and either of Reid, Armstrong, Tauru, Trainor or Travaglia, is worth more than Jagga alone. Unless the tigers recruiters think Jagga is the next Nick Diacos. This is too high an expectation.
@@benjysc1977 I agree, in terms of pure (level of) quality, that is too high a price. But it matters what type(s) of midfielder they are after. Jagga is the ultimate ball magnet and Lalor appears to be a Dusty Martin like high impact per disposal player. Those two players seem, both in terms of talent as well as type, a really really good package for the Tigs. Jagga/Lalor and Smillie maybe less so.
I would certainly not compromise 10 and/or 11 but depending on what the recruiters at Richmond are after, trading 6 and some later/future pick(s) for pick 2 might be worth considering, don’t you think?
There seems to be a bit of pushback from North fans against swapping 3 for 6&18.
I wouldn't do that from Richmonds side.
If this draft is as even as reported, then chances are that the kid at 6 is just as good as the kid at 3.
They would be better off trying to trade 18 with WC for maybe Hawthorns first rounder next year. (18 this year for 18 next year seems fair)
Either way, I don't see much value in consolidating picks this year.
North should do 3 for 6&18 in a heartbeat.
It is even in the top half a dozen, not across the top 12-20.
@@gustaaf1892thats what he said. 6 and 2 is pretty much the same. pick 18 you csn ship for a F1
I agree tbh, I'm erring on the side of Richmond not liking that more so than North!
I reckon we should trade our picks on the 20s for a future pick.
I agree 2 and 6 will be pretty similar
Cochran projected to be in the 40-55 range. Sydney will be absolutely fine to match as 59 comes in to 53 after the first 4 major bid matches which will cover a bid match up to 40 which is projected to be the exact pick after Sydney's current 44 comes into 39 or 40 after the major 4 bid matches. Also if he continues slipping past then it doesn't matter as if he goes 4th round a deficit I believe won't carry over as 4th rounders carry no draft value next year. Sydney would be trading up but also grabbing an F3 next year imo
Thanks for the info mate!
If my team Essendon trade back into this draft after Kako bid, I hope that we acquire pick 18 from Richmond or pick 16 from GWS. Would like to get Shanahan but if he goes in the top 20 and swapping pick 23 with Richmond is not a great deal for us.
If Geelong wanted to trade their future first into this year than pick 23 Richmond would be ideal.
If I was Richmond I would try to spread the 8 picks across two years in the first round. Acquiring two or three future firsts from rival clubs would be great business for Tigers this year.
Tauru is the player north loves the most I suspect if we keep pick 2 we just bite the bullet
why not get 6+18/23 get Tauru at 6 basically an extra pick at 18/23
Tauru won't go at pick 2! Stop listening to AFL journo bullshit mate.
@@Andy-o2f basing that off my own opinion mate
@@hehehheheheheehehehehehe6476 Nah, you're regurgitating tabloid bullshit just like 95% of other people. I doubt you have seen a single 2025 draftee play in person.
To counter the Essendon comment, Essendon may want to bank their future firsts for a tilt at Harley Reid next year. West Coast have incentive to do the deal as they will need capital for a crack at Warner. Essendon would be in prime position if they retain those two and somehow get another first (free agency or future first).
Does Reid want to go to a basket case club like essendon though?
If he comes back to Victoria he would go to one of the big three MCG teams or Geelong. Also it would be for 2027 not next year (2026)because there 3 year contracts now and West coast won’t trade him with a contract.
Will Essendon ever have three first round picks to offer for Harley?
@@Johny-jy5vofriends with caddy and his girlfriends brother plays for Essendon
From people that never play football
No way Essendon trade a future first. Trading back into round 1 would e nice but I think they wait on Kako first then MAYBE trade into the second or third round. Don’t forget. Essendon have Rosa now, not Dodoro, and he has clearly mapped out a youth program. I suspect Essendon, and maybe Melbourne, to finish bottom 8 next year. Trading a future first when they could have two top ten picks next year, in what looks like a draft where you’ll need higher picks, doesn’t sound like Rosa. I reckon he’s waiting to see what he needs to match any bid on Kako (and he won’t have to wait long) and then see if he’s got enough left to trade back into the second or third rounds - if he wants too. He’ll need the picks in the 50’s to match Kako and maybe a bit more. But that’s why Rosa did what I consider to be an excellent deal with Melbourne. Started with 2 picks. Number 1 priority - Issac Kako. Build draft capital. See how the chips fall on draft day. No way Essendon trade back into this year’s first round or give up a future first. Rosa seems to have a much better handle on the whole draft/trade thing than Dodoro ever had - not that that’s saying much. Essendon member.
Kako picks will be 28 + 31 ...... these 2 picks are very valuable in this deep pool. These 2 picks need to be dealt or lost, i suspect they will go with future 1sts to get back in early
@@Pinkies77 Wait and see. 28 & 31 is too much when you can deal in the 50’s. It’s not up to St Kilda.
I think we will want to trade in if Armstrong or Shanahan is available to enable Caddy, Armstrong/Shanahan and Kako to help us for 8+ years
@@Humphreyaaron86 agreed but at what price? Trading on draft day comes at a higher ticket price.
Thinking 10 and 11 from Tigers for 2 from Roos would be fair but this all depends on Tigers wanting two particular mids and one of them is Finn with Carlton at pic 3 ready to swoop.
North should use pick 2 to stuff up Carlton by bidding on one of the Camporeli boys
Imagine!
Carlton would let them go , and laugh all the way to the bank .
Those boys are ranked pretty late in draft
Nah, they are way deep. Nowhere near the pointy end
I will be interested in what Geelong decides
If north traded 2 for just 6 and 18 on its own fans would lose it
This only occurs in Richmond nuffies fantasies. In reality, it doesn't.
I am a neutral in this situation and I think 6 and 18-20 is about right in a fairly even and deep draft. Also I believe north are targeting talls and it would be insane not to move down where they will still be available and get a second one in the first round. Also Richmond are the only team in a position to do that trade so take it or leave it!
@@seantayler5418 Here's the thing, there's nothing "even" about picks 1 to 4 when compared with picks 5 to 8-9 or 8-9 to 30. 1) There's a SIGNIFICANT difference between a Finn O'Sullivan (pick 2), Josh Smillie (pick 8) and Joe Berry (pick 18). This is a DEEP draft, but it is not EVEN until the draft hits the teens. 2) North are not necessarily targeting talls either, Clarkson has already ruled out prioritising key defenders. 3) North's F1 & 2 and pick 2 are in play, so StKilda, Melbourne or even Adelaide may present offers. 4) Richmond won't be dictating anything to North.
Do you think Hawks uses Pick 33 and one of Carltons Future picks to trade up? I'd really love to see the Hawks get Jonty Faull
Looking at whether we trade up to P2. Feeling is stay at P6.
I think trade up.
FOS better than Smillie.
Here are options.
Opt1 - P2+F2 > P6,11.
Picks 1,2,10....
Opt2 - P2 > P6,18.
Picks 1,2,10,11.....
Opt3 - P2 > P10,11.
Picks 1,2,6.......
Opt1 Lalor, FOS, B.Allan/Hotton/Smillie
Opt2 Lalor, FOS, as above
Opt3 Lalor, FOS, Tauru/Langford/Smillie.
Thoughts???
Great video mate. Loving these hypotheticals!
- Pick 2 and F3rd for picks 6 and 18 ❌️
Severely undervaluing pick 2 and really think thats got better value at pick 6 and 11.
Pick 2's value plus a future pick should net North two top 15 selections comfortably.
My justification comes from the idea that Richmond will most more than likely want to refine and condense their picks and could potentially go from 8 to 5 first round picks on the basis that the tigers will look to recruit soecific players for their teams spine moving forward.
Tassie looms and trading up to pick 2 would be a HUGE benefit while also spreading selections in both this and next years draft.
I agree that pick 2 is worth a lot, particularly when you already hold pick 1 because you are in full control of who you pick from the top 6 which consensus has as more elite than what follows. The pick 6 Richmond currently holds will therefore just fall outside that top 6 after Brisbane get to match the bid on Ashcroft. I hope North make it known to Richmond that if they are left with pick 2 without an adequately compensated pick trade, that they will target the best player available and try to trade their F1 for another pick in the top 10. That would interfere with Richmond's plans as undoubtedly they will have clear preferences for players with their top two picks. It might be bluff, but is it worth the risk for Richmond to ignore it? People who focus on draft points to make a case of fairness in trades don't understand the real worth of draft picks because those points are just artificial and often don't reflect reality.
Pick 6 and pick 10 for pick 2 and future 2nd is that fair?
@@Aidenxeditz27 Perhaps if North also got a future 3rd back.
The value has been set this year by wce 12 and 14 got 3 so there is no chance your getting 6 and 11 in an even draft there isn't a clear top only then would 2 be worth more .
We would not give up basically a top 10 pick to move 4 spots makes no sense at all when we are in a full rebuild
@@gustaaf1892its not about fair value its about who is desperate and that is North they severely need a key position. Second of all have you seen tigers negotiate this trade period they aint playing north will be lucky to get 6+18 most likely will offer 6+23
As a North fan, I'm very interested to see how this whole Pick 2 situation plays out.
I do think Richmond will be interested in Pick 2 however I'm exactly sure how desperate they are. Even if they hold 6 they're getting 2 of FOS, Jagga, Langford, Draper, Lalor and Reid. Which at the end of the day for Richmond is a very good win. I will say I recon they'll want first choice of 2 of them, which could definitely lean in our favour.
We'll be the ones wanting to split the pick not Richmond. So we have to somehow come up with a trade that 1) doesn't seem unders to Richmond, but 2) also seems pretty fair to us. I do feel like regardless we'll likely pay slightly overs, but I'm not trading 2 and a future 3rd for 6 and 18.
I feel like though as we are heavily linked to 3 players (Tauru, Armstrong and Trainor), we'll likely want minimum 2 of them. Fuck knows where any go honestly though. All 3 could be Top 10 picks (unlikely but still possible).
One that I saw was;
North Get: Pick 6, 11, 20/23
Richmond Get: Pick 2 and Future 2nd (tied to NM) (and even a Future 3rd)
We get 3 picks this year, Richmond get Picks 1 and 2, whilst still having 10, 18, 23 and 24 to have a great hand this year and likely net them roughly pick 23 or so next year. And then if the F3rd is added, a pick in the early 40s.
I'd then imagine us getting 2 of Trainor, Tauru and Armstrong and then getting on of the Whitlocks.
Though again I am a North fan so I've probably gone full bias mode here.
Pick 2 is not worth it if Ashcroft is not available. As a Richmond supporter, I would be happy to hold on to picks and choose the best available midfielders. Picks 1 and 6 guarantee two great midfielders, and pick 11 gives us a very good chance to get a third.
I just dont get why we give up 6 for 4 spots and lose another first rounder yes we miss on finn but forcing nth to pick at 2 likely they take Armstrong anyway and then we get an elite mid at 6 win win for us and then get the pick at 18 unless we are so in love with finn that we just have to have him
Fair call mate!
Could we potentially trade our future first , yes we'd take a hit but pick 10 from Richmond or ask for pick 6 ? , we'd have to ask soon before other teams act.
I think North is looking for two picks closer together. I could see 2 and future first for 6 & 10. Also, there was a rumor that Dees have their eye on #2.
@@scottwhitt9379 Dees wouldn't touch it for 5&9. Too much talent at stake.
Is Armstrong really that much better than the KPF's that will be in the early teens range? I don't think so & don't see North trading for 6 to grab Armstrong.
Fair - would you prefer 10 and 11 to 6 and 18?
@@TrueFootyAFL Pick 2 is pick 2. 10 & 11 will be 12 & 13 minimum. Can't see North touching that. I can't see North buckling for less than 6 & 11, particularly considering there's mail that StKilda are keen to trade 7 & 8 (sliding to 8-9 or 9-10) for pick 2. I don't buy this crap about an "even 30" draft, there's definitely 4 players at the top, then another 4-5 that follow before the draft flattens out. The football illiterates are once again hoovering up Cal Twomey level crap. He's a journalist, not a track watcher.
When is the draft? Can you guys please tell me
StK will most likely likely do 2 pick trades
Future first for a pick in the early 20s
And pick 9 will be split if all of the key mids are off the table
Pick 2 and F3 for 6,10/11 seems bang on fair
Good video 👍. Like you said at the beginning of your video on pick 2 that you don’t see how that would get done. I agree with that as a Richmond Fan I wouldn’t be trading picks 1 , 6 , 10 , 11 , & 18 they are not up for trade in my mind. You are always open to listening but I don’t see how North and Richmond could agree that’s suits both Clubs. I can see how Richmond picks 23 & 24 could be got for 1st rounds pick next year. Given the Draft is so even in the top 30 I would be happy to use’s all 8 picks in this draft ? As we have lost a lot of players and have the room to do that. I done a list of what I would like at Richmond picks if available? And there’s a player I would like at Richmond that I can not fit into the early picks we have in Harrison Olivier that I think will be a player in years to come that we all will look at thinking he should have gone higher in this draft than what he ends up going ? I still think he needs to be considered with our picks in the 20’s by Richmond ? He just fit outside our picks in draft pool but if you think the player is 200+ Players you back yourself and the player in and draft them early than suggested. He is one the best kicks in the draft but I think he could go into the Midfield in the Future and be getting more the footy and using it well ? He will be a interesting player where he gets drafted at and where ?
What would you say if Essendon traded both there F1 and Melbourne F1 for Richmond's pick 10 & 11? (Prov a bid for kakko hasn't come yet)
Why do Freo need to trade another pick into the future to be serious about a Chad Warner bid? You can trade 2 years into the future as of next year and Freo still have their F1. If Warner wants Freo, it won't matter what the Eagles can offer Sydney.
with the future trading extended the price for players will go up. i reckon warner will demand at least 3 first rounds
@@redtiger4352 Freo will have 3 x 1sts to trade but he wont go for that uncontracted.
@@john-murraynewman-scotch6567 uncontracted means nothing look at baker. sydney needs to be compensated if not they can just go to the other club and sell highest bidder. If Freo with Bolton makes finals next year they will go all in for warner unless eagle can strike an agreement early on with warner (and sydney) hence bypassing freo. if its in the open market i can see eagles offering two F1 and freo countering with three
I didn't mean to suggest that they need to trade into the future if they are serious about it. I meant more it's unlikely to be tempted by trading 14 into the future unless they are VERY serious about Chad Warner. I hope that distinction makes sense!
I’d prefer west coast to trade its own future first for 10 and 18 from tigers, as long as it’s for a prospect they view in their top 5 of talents. We’ll still have more picks for Warner and I think he’d be given more midfield time at WC than freo
Essendon will only trade back into this year's draft if Harry Armstrong is still available to get.. For instance, if Harry Armstrong is still there @ pick 10. Then Richmond might entertain swapping their pick 10, for Essendon's 2 x future first picks.
I feel like North might swoop on him, considering they NEED the talls
We are not giving up pick 2 unless we can get a Liam Baker type😂
Eagles surely will want to bring in some points for champion in addition to the first round pick
Pick 2 is worth 2 top 10 picks plus a future 1st Round
Disagree. There are 4-6 players (Ashcroft not included) that have a stake for the 2nd pick and at a stretch, I could go up to pick 8. So Pick 2 is not worth 2 top 10 picks again aside from the top pick and Ashcroft
I think Essendon trade 28 for a future 2nd and keep our two future firsts
North’s #2 will be the first domino to fall
I'm hoping port pick up Joe Berry at 13,Port need a talented small forward,Rioli wouldn't have long left so trading pick 13 would be a bad move
I think six and 18 is about right in this strong draft. It could even be six and 20 quite frankly..
I saw someone else posting 6 11 and 20 but that was just ridiculous.
North would never accept 6 and 18 or even 20. Sounds like wishful thinking from Richmond people. It would have to be 6-10 or 6-11.
@@_Vicarious that’s absolutely fine by me. Very happy to keep pics as he quite frankly.. don’t forget this is an incredibly strong draft where people cannot pick between one and eight. Thus pick six value is higher than normal. Much higher.
I don't see the value for Richmond. They would be better off keeping 6 and trading 18 into next year.
@@spindoctor6385 quite probably correct. I think they need to swing back this year though if they can. There is a bunch of negatives in taking so many in one year, But the more swings we have more chance we have hits. Maybe that’s an naive approach.
@@davidmills9653 I don't think there is a "right" way to do it. The trade suggested though seems wasteful. If the draft is as even as reported then pick 6 is nearly as good as pick 3. It just seems like giving away 18 for very little.
If I followed the Tiges, I wouldn't totally against just taking all the picks this year and hoping 3-4 of them become good decade long players.
Why the fook would Essendon trade out a F1 for pick 23......
I amended it to pick 20 in the pinned comment. If it's an early mid-teens pick next year, that's not a massive downgrade to an early 20s pick in a stronger draft given they're the ones that need to tempt Richmond. But yeah, perhaps Essendon wouldn't do that!
Geelong need a future first for Zac Butters ,so much talk around that he wants to go home and next year and that he's already met Geelong,U can trade 2 years into the future.
Butters is contracted until the end of 2026, after copping all the flak they have with the Houston trade, Port won’t be releasing him unless Geelong produce an incredible offer ie 2 top 10 picks. Will he be at Geelong in 2027? probably - but don’t go thinking he will be there in 2026.
Eagles - Tigers trade.
Eagles and hawks future 2nd for pick 24 and tigers future 3rd.
Essendon way more likley to trade for one of gws picks. 23 is not even close to worth it, they would only trade if shanahan is available imo which he would not be in the 20s melbourne most likely miss the 8 next year a pick in the 20s seems like much more than just a tax.
It does depend big time on how well Melbourne do next year. I find it hard to place them. It makes it a difficult pick to trade because of that...but fair take mate
Pick 6 and pick 10 for pick 2 and future second
take out the future second
If a draft where pick 2 could be as good as pick 6 you would have to have something else on the table aswell maybe a future 3rd but 2nd sounds about right
Perhaps if Richmond added a future 3rd to that deal, otherwise the price is too steep for North.
tigers wont do that. have fun with no key position players again
@@redtiger4352 is there a rule north can't take a key at pick 2 or something?
North need to fill 3 players on the list and 1 rookie spot. Cooper Harvey, Charlie Lazzaro and Blake Drury are all currently uncontracted, but not delisted. Don't be surprised if North throw an F1 or F2 in the mix with a Richmond pick trade. Conversely, there's no way Richmond want to takke 8 in one draft, they will look to buy in to next year.
North are not giving Richmond their pick 2 and F1 in any pick trade scenario. Melbourne and St Kilda provide other opportunities for pick trades, so Richmond isn't the only game in town.
@@gustaaf1892only saints or demons. pick 7+8 or 5+9 and a second rounder for potentially two top 3 picks 😅 thats unders for North
@@redtiger4352 As I said, The North #2 and F1 won't be available in any trade scenario. Melbourne is a very unlikely participant in a pick trade, which leaves Saints. I think #2 + F2 for #7 and 8 could go close if the Saints are keen on securing one of the elite midfield talents.
@@gustaaf1892 if you said melbourne is out then that only leaves saints anf tigers. Less people to deal with the less fabourable plus North is very desperate. if i was saints i would reject your proposal. F2 north is likely pushed back to mid 20s yeah no way
@@gustaaf1892 I beg to differ.
From Punt road it's a deal.
No way in hell North would take 6 and 18, and give up a F3. Would be more like 6 and 10.
Keep your Pick 2 then. I’m happy with 6 and 10.
for reference, Sydney made a play for our pick 3 that we used on Dusty - they offered 6 and 14 - so 6 & 18 for 2 might be a fairer deal (with no future pick)
@@denikoydovski9839 Pick 2 is more valuable when you already hold pick one because it gives you full control over who you get with your first two picks. The general consensus is that there is an elite top 5 or 6, which would mean that after a matched Ashcroft bid the pick 6 falls outside of that group.
North should make it known to Richmond that if they are left with pick 2 without adequate compensation that they will target the best player available and try to trade their F1 for another pick in the top 10. That would interfere with Richmond's plans as undoubtedly they will have clear preferences for players with their top two picks. It might be bluff, but is it worth the risk for Richmond to ignore it?
@@gustaaf1892 Thst all sounds nice in theory but North won’t be getting another Top 10 pick anywhere else this year. Saints need talent now and won’t do that deal. Dees traded up to be in this draft so I doubt they will want to come out again. Who else is left? 6 and 18 is actually a good deal for North, they get Armstrong at 6 and another good kid. Pick 2 has to be a midfielder but do they really need another one?
@@denikoydovski9839 Harvey Langford is a hybrid midfielder-forward.
No to 6 and 18.rather keep pick 2 and get finn o sullivan.play him in the back pocket in place of lmac
Essendon won’t trade Melbourne f1st for 23 it will more likely be for 11 and something else
Why would Sydney do that? They have to take the best talls available. No doubt Beatson will pick spuds again … 😵
West Coast could trade Hawks F1 & F3 and pick 12 to Richmond for 10 & 18 or potentially F2 for Richmond’s pick 24. That would give away all the Barrass picks but they would end up with 10,18,24,26 and that would prob ease the backlash for losing pick 3.
This would give West Coast access to potentially Bo Allan and Xavier Lindsay with picks 10 and 18.
So for a small downgrade from from 10 to 12 the Eagles would then give a F1 and F3 to get hold of pick 18 which will likely fall somewhere in the 20s. That seems like a very steep price to pay.
I dont mind that, 4 picks in the first 26 is a great return in a draft like this. I'd like to see us make a play for chad Warner next year so as long as we don't trade our future first id be happy with a play to increase our draft hand this year
@@gustaaf1892Hawks F1 for pick 18. then Eagles F2 and Hawks F3 for pick 26
you aint getting pick 24 with hawks F2 thats potentially pick 30+
Essendon is better off trading 28 and future 2nd for Richmond’s 23
Given it's a live trade that 28 won't exist at the time, being absorbed by the Kako bid
No way North trade pick 2 for Richmonds 6 and 18. 18 is way unders. 6 and either 10 or 11 is fair imo. Now if North trade its future 1st as well in the deal then maybe 6,10 and 11 is a fair deal for those picks. You would expect North's pick next year would be a top 5 pick.
I'm still unsure 6 for 10 and 11 would be accepted by Richmond. However...your second suggestions is a ripping call I reckon. 6, 10 and 11 for 2 and an F1
Rotham just got delisted
If we're giving pick 2 to Richmond I'd want 6 and 10/11 not 18 (I'm obviously biased)
and you wont get it
Yes you are 😂
@@seantayler5418 At least I'm honest right? 😆