What a great informational video. I'm nowhere near this league for shooting. I recently picked up a CZ 457 varmint and I'm starting to apply some of these techniques. I only have access, right now, to a 25 yard range but it's still tons of fun. Thanks for your efforts and time.
I learned something at our .22 Sniper Match Saturday. I need to weigh my ammo. I had 4 misses out of 60 rounds fired. All were high over the targets. My Bergara shoots in the .2s at 50 yards. This Lot of SK Long Range is one of it's favorites. I weighed 4 boxes when I got home. There were 3-4 heavy bullets in each box. ALL ammo must be Lot tested even Tenex. Center-X was more consistent weight wise. My Bergara does not like Eley. My H&R 12 and Kimber 82G like Eley.
I haven't started weighing them....yet. But I did buy one of those rim thickness gauges, not using the greatest dial gauge (HF) but even still I find variations in almost every box I measure and keep notes on my findings. Eley Match is amongst one of the best I've come across so far with variations measuring under .001, in fact I just purchased 2 bricks of their Benchrest Precision and the few boxes I measured came in at the same .001!!! The worst so far was Remington Thunderbolt, granted it's cheapo plinking ammo but I measured up to .006 total. Food for thought for those getting into the weighing their ammo game....lol
@@XFBO I weighed,then i went to rim thickness ,in eley club (for my 457 vp) .38 shot the best @ 100 .that was a 1000 rnds. out of that same lot there 300 of the .38 the rest is good practice ammo for me. I'm getting team this week hope it shoots better.
Were I competing at this level, I would be weighing and checking for deformities. I'd show up with the best of the best ! Reloaders know all about it ! Tumble the brass, ream the primer pocket, trim the oal, check the thickness of the rim and neck. After all that, weigh them. Then start weighing the bullets. I can get ridiculous, but so are the results !
With everything else taken care of with your equipment Lot testing is imperative if you want to be competitive in ELR . I can assure you the best of the best shooters do . Enjoy your videos Josh and glad to see your channel grow .
Thank you Am About to undertake this exact process of ammo selection with my new B14r Now I know the correct methodology Great very easy to understand BS and biased free info
Thanks, Josh for all the information. Those last tenths of an inch are the most costly. Racing is the same way for fractions of a second. There is some luck involved nowadays for catching the distributors with ammo, although it seems to be improving.
Thank you for all the valuable info. I always enjoy watching. Having a hard time finding ammunition, But most folks are from what I hear. Thanks again for the video.
Yeah its tough. Check on the website tomorrow and i will have good ammo companies with their links. They are the guys i buy from and havent screwed anyone over on prices
Josh the thing I like about your videos. You put out good information that helps people with there 22lr shooting. I spent a lot of years learning the things you are are putting on video. I thank that is great. I tell shooters about your videos because of the information that you have on them. Keep it up. ( Maybe one on the importance of trigger squeeze )
Thanks for showing how to read the labels and showing the difference between lots. Will you do a video sometime on your scope camera setup, if you haven't done one already? Congratulations on the new web site!
Another excellent video Josh....Really like the scopecam. I have the Tacticam and really enjoy the videos. Looking forward to the shirts too. Keep up the great work.
Airgun shooters here in the UK have found that batch number (lot number) is king for pellets, we'll find a batch our gun likes then buy as many as we can afford of that batch. Something FT and HFT shooters (UK's main outdoor airgun target sports) have been doing for many years now, there's still many that don't know this, many still go by the head size, which turns out is meaningless.
Great video as always Josh. I think Terry is correct. But in my case, retired and allergic to rockin' chairs, chasing that perfect group is too much fun to give-in to reality:) Best to all.
This is where a tuner pays for itself. I test lots without the tuner. Then, using my tuner, most of the time I can shrink down the group sizes of the lots that didn't do well to equal the ones that did
this is why we choose to watch your videos above all others, you test ammo, you have shooting contests, and give us data and product reviews for what works best. Josh could you give us the names of the ammo companies again..Congrats on your new web site.
Yes sir, appreciate ya. Creedmoor sports for RWS Killough shooting sports for Eley Good shooting for best all around prices Champions choice for good pre pandemic prices
I'm just starting to play with rimfire precision stuff. I built up a CZ 455 a while back and then decided to play with the Tikka T1x as well. Thanks for the information in the videos.
Awesome info. Scope cam is pretty cool. I am glad to see you have a website. Will definitely order a shirt. Now our lot testing will get even harder! LOL😆
@@PursuitofAccuracy so what i am understanding now is when you find a lot that works really good you have found the golden egg. So I should buy all that I can. I am back to work today and i just received my lot of ammo lastnight. Wish I could shoot another box before I bought more. There goes the credit card again.
@@ShooterB1 yes exactly. Some people continously get good shooting ammo at random but you never get the best until you lot test. 7 out of 9 lots of eley match were .4-.6 groups. 2 lots shot much better. The website had about 20 lots......thats not s good percentage to accidentally buy the best lot 😁😁
@@PursuitofAccuracy I bought more of the lot we talked about. Another case on top of what I have. I went to Champs and they have Eley M. Call in order only When you call will they have a list of in stock lots? Never bought from them.
Acquired a Savage Precision in .22WMR. Running a Mueller fixed 40×56 Target Dot, UTG Flex Recon bipod, with a radial brake (just so I can retain sight picture). Would like to see ammo manufacturers produce competition grade ammo for this cartridge (.22WMR). On the verge of acquiring an ATS barrel tuner (permits brake installation post tuner) OR the new Eric Cortina "EC tuner V.2" (as of 31Aug2022). The ATS tuner screws directly onto 1/2 x 28 threads AND requires the muzzle cap to be reinstalled (or muzzle brake) whereas the EC model requires an adapter to attach the tuner. The NICE thing about the EC tuner is that NO TOOLS are required to make adjustments. A tuner, is a tuner, is a tuner..., they all balance/time barrel harmonics. IMHO, the one that minimizes the amount of time for adjustments and is repeatable..., well the EC V.2 is the obvious choice. But my .22WMR rifle jumps enough at the muzzle that I cannot view impact. Personally I'm probably going to go with Eric Cortina's V.2 model first and if sight picture retention isn't achievable then give the ATS model a go. When did we begin making shooting rimfires so complicated?
New to the channel and new subscriber. A recommendation, could you please list out the equipment you're using in each of your videos in the written description? It would be a very helpful point of reference for the channel newbs or those passing by. Great content. Thank you for considering.
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I use a remmington bucket o seeds. And have fun. Cz-457 at 1; 16 in arken 6-24x50 ,419 30 moa base. It shoots lights out even with cheap stuff. Point is rack the bolt and have fun peoples. 👍
The problem is that during times of ammo shortage I end buying ammo what I can get, not what I want. In my country we cannot get ammo shipped by any courier company, only one is registered to do that and they know it and therefore charge extremely high rates for that. So we end up buying only local. Compared to you calculated at the direct exchange rate, we are paying double and more per box of what you pay. And also we are limited to the amount of ammo we are allowed to buy and be in possession of. You are lucky to be able to buy ammo as much as you want from where you want and get it shipped to you.
Awesome video coverage, Great information. And of course always a good amount of shooting From a great shooter. Hey just a suggestion would you consider painting the Pasties with honey and then shooting flies. At 50 yd 100 yd and maybe even 150 yds
Thanks Josh I think that would be amazing. And it would be hilarious. Also if you could get your Buddy to do a challenge with you that would be even better..
In your experience, does “enough” lot testing give you a data set where you can generally predict what a barrel will like (i.e. if a barrel prefers “slower” versions of Match in the 1030-1040 FPS range versus the 1060-10-70 range)? Or are there enough variables to where you have to lot test every few seasons?
I would still lot test every time i buy but buying less than a case is a waste of time and money if your lot testing. Best to lot test then buy as much as you can afford so your not lot testing 6 times a year. Similar speed does seem to continously provide the best lots though....just not always
My favorite round is the Eley subsonic, period ! But I have had guns that actually shot cheap ammo better ! I'm talking Remington Golden Bullets or Winchester Wildcats ! Each gun is different. Not always the most expensive round that performs. I would should as many different in each gun to find which is the best for that gun. I had a Ruger MkII pistol that ALWAYS outshot my rifles ! I had a T/C 10" single shot, octagonal barrel that was so accurate you could strike matches at close range w/o breaking them !
Love the intro - very pro! Would like to hear your take on cold bore - what causes that first shot or two to be off center, ways to solve or mitigate it, etc.
Very informative video fantastic shooting !! Glad to hear your view on the 16 inch barrels I hav e a CZ 457 with 16 inch barrel and I am thinking of ordering a longer barrel I am wondering what you may suggest ? Thanks from up here in British Columbia Canada
Could you make a barrel cleaning video and answer questions like: How often Nylon or bronze brush Snake or rod # of shots to regain accuracy Hopes or other juice Cleaning fluid vs lube
Hey. Nice video. I commented on lot testing a couple of weeks ago but I see you were already working on it. 👌 How many acres of land is it taking to make that range?
Good video. I don't think most people know about trying difference lot numbers of the same ammo. Most just try one box each brand. They may pass up the best ammo for there gun without doing lot testing. I normally try about 5 lot# of each brand. Four may just be OK and one could shoot whole group's If didn't try that lot# first you pass up some great ammo. All top brands ammo has lot #'s
Group question here - What speed are you folks getting for Eley Match? I just lot tested 8 different boxes. Fully understanding that the velocity on the box is a suggestion, I found it much faster than expected. Out of an 18" Shaw barrel in my RPR, clocked from a bench with a LabRadar with a motion trigger at 100yd indoor range. Temp around 65 F. Across the 8 lots tested, Eley Match lots varied from 1118 - 1150 fps, all averaging XS of 20, SD of 7. Some lots were only marginally better, this is aggregate over 200+ shots. That's 50 - 80 fps faster than printed. Very consistent stuff, just much faster than other ammo tested. Some lots of Tenex I had came in at the same speeds (with SD around 3 - 5!), but thankfully it didn't shoot well in this rifle. Center X was 1079 fps, XS of 44, SD of 7 over 60 shots. Exactly as advertised. SK Flatnose Match was 1067 fps, XS of 36, SD of 11 over 100 shots. Also very close to published. Fun part is that all tested ammo had at least one lot number that worked well in this rifle, 1080 and 1130 being the two sweet spots. To note, these numbers are 30-50 fps faster than the factory barrel. Is Match or Tenex running this fast for any of you?
Thanks for a very informative video. I watched a few of your videos today and learned enough to make me subscribe to your channel, however, I have a few questions regarding lot numbers. I get the part about different lots producing different results in different guns. I just went to one of the websites you mention and they list 20+ different lot numbers for a given ammo type. On the extreme, are you suggesting people do a lot test on all available lots? If not, which lots do we choose? I realize this is somewhat a wise-ass question except really what do we do? After we select a reasonable number of lots and test them, we should know which lot produced the best results in our rifle. At this point, we order a bunch of ammo from the preferred lot. This is all well and good until we run out of ammo. Do we then start the testing process all over? I am not trying to be difficult, but I am trying to understand the logic of this. We can't test every lot of every type and brand of ammo, and yet wouldn't that produce the best results. I have been shooting for a while but these questions about lot numbers have been on my mind for some time. I guess my real question might be, how do you limit your selections to reasonable numbers? Thanks again. I look forward to watching more videos.
Hi Hector. So once you initially lot test you would want to buy as much as you can afford. When you do run out look for lots around the same stated mv as the last lot....stated mv rarely matches your actual mv but that doesnt matter.....this will allow you to buy less lots in the future. In a perfect world we could buy enough to never need to test again
Great video Josh, your CZ 457 shoots pretty well. Which chassis or stock do you prefer for PRS .22lr. I like the MDT chassis, but they are not cheap. Right now my CZ 457 MTR has a new barrel from IBI and a new trigger from Timney, but the stock has to do for now, until I have more money for a chassis.
I have run several guns through the test tunnel over the last year and it is truly a waste of time to do this and not buy a minimum of a case of ammo. I picked up a case of Midas from Lapua and multiple cases of Eley. I am going to start weighing my ammo prior to the next match to see if I can avoid those couple of flyers and bump up my scores.
It would be interesting to see how you group with off the shelf cci and other cheaper ammo. Checked existing videos and I couldn't find one from you quite like that
@@PursuitofAccuracy thanks! My most expensive rimfire is an upgraded 10/22 I've had since I was about 12, so it's not quite an apples to apples comparison with your cz's. But it's still interesting to see the variance you get between regular and ideal conditions
You are so accurate...I can't find ammo that's Not ridiculous...I have brain injury and my motor skills are not good..I know I can come close to what you do....I hoping to shoot pistol to help me try to improve my motor skills...its a long shot the tbi program said I probably stuck at what I got...but I want to try...any ammo suggestions or where to buy Thanks great channel
ACTION SLICKING…I have a couple of 457’s…an LRP MTR, and a classic American. i noticed in your video how smooth and slick the action was on yours.I realise you must have put a boatload of rounds thru that action, but was wondering if you had done anything to the action to slick it up more?
Yeah. I think sorting is good but why start with a worse shooting ammo when for the same $$ you can start with a better lot, you may not even bother with sorting with the right lot. I dont sort any ammo
Wish I seen this earlier. Would have saved a lot of time , aggravation and money trying to get into accurate 22 shooting. Hindsight..... I should've stuck to the 17hmr and only had to be limited by the wind
I have about a brick of Tenex (1061 FPS) that shoots pretty good in my CZ 457 / Lilja - about .8 MOA. I bought a couple of bricks of another lot rated at 1062 FPS expecting similar results. At 50 yards, 4 five-shot groups averaged 1.5 MOA (1.4 - 1.9). Shot two groups at 100 averaging .8 MOA (.7 & .9). The best 4 in each group averaged .4 MOA. I shot the original 1061 FPS lot and it was consistent at .9 MOA, 50 and 100 yards. Same rifle, same 1-piece rest, same shooter, same day. WTF?
The lots are very different. Its why all the major ammo companies have test facilities for shooters willing to send in their rifle to test. Its always better to test in your environment from my experience.
Thank You Sir! This was a great explanation on DIY lot testing. I plan to try your method of cycling the bolt to reduce rifle disturbance/losing the target. 👍🇺🇸 #22aday
Difference between lots amazing. How long does it take for Eley to pump out a lot. ? Would be interesting in the context of how quickly you need to jump on a batch.....
Its really how fast the retailer moves the ammo that matters. I tend to test the day it shows up to my house and order whatever im gonna order that same day. Sometimes lots are gone in a week to two weeks
Thanks for that. Am in Australia, which is obviously a piddling market relative to the U.S., and suspect, as a relative newbie to a committed "pursuit of accuracy," that our supply lines won't be as good as yours and we certainly can't get ammunition delivered. You literally have to show up at a shop. Will investigate. Really enjoy your stuff, and thanks again for that prompt response.@@PursuitofAccuracy
I'm watching and learning...I would like your advice...I'm wanting to purchase the CZ 457 ...would you recommend the Varmint precision trainer camo or the Varmint precision chassis ...for best accuracy ?? Thanks your a great shooter
I've owned four 457's; an LRP, a Pro Varmint, and two MTR's (both 16.5" and 20"). All pretty much shot pretty well at 50yds (under 1/2" groupings) but no where near as well (tight) as my Bergara B14R. Out to 100 yds, my CZ's shine a bit better than the B14R with my 455 Mini Sniper being the #1 followed by my 20" MTR mounted in an KRG Bravo Chassis. As you may have read online, you're CZ will shoot well out of the box if you win the "CZ accuracy lottery". Before you buy, ask to see the paper test included in each box.
if your gun likes a certain LOT, will you be able to find the same lot eventually? Or does the manufacturer move on to the next sequential LOT in the process. For example, if you find a lLOT of 4567 that your barrell likes, will you be able to find LOT # 4567 a year later or even 5 months later? Or will the manufacturer have moved on to LOT # 4569 or even up to 5000 a year later?
Bipod is really not good enough to test high-end match ammo. That ammo will be capable of tagging a .1" diameter 10-ring on a USBR Target 49 or 50 times out of 50. With a barrel tuner, you could possibly get equivalent groups from whatever batch you end up with.
So basically what you are saying is you look for lots that they have a lot of stock, buy a box or 2 and immediately test and whatever lot performs the best the supplier is immediately out of stock on that particular lot.. lol
Safety guy here: anyone notice the safety off, cocked indicator, and closed bolt as the rifle spins in random directions? Like spin the bottle with a potentially loaded chamber! - OK, likely a dry chamber, but worth noting the cocked indicator and safety off… right?
Haha and no worries. Chamber definitely empty and my bolt is always closed. The safety was most likely off as the last thing I do is check chamber and dry fire to relieve spring tension before it goes back on the gun rack
Hello, I have a question. I have 30 moa rail and I want to put 20 moa sphur rings. Do I go with low, medium or high rings? 30, 34 and 44mm height? Scope is 34mm tube and 56mm objective.
I just took delivery of my new 457 varmint MTR and the grouping on the test target was 3/4 inch (1 1/2 MOA). I was expecting better accuracy - at least 1 MOA. Am I stuck with this 1 1/2 inch for the life of the rifle? What were the different groupings of the new 457 MTRs that you bought?
Test target means nothing honestly. They shoot that with whatever ammo lot they have. Its more of a reliability check and to make sure its ok to ship. It will shoot 1 moa or less with just about any quality ammo
What a great informational video. I'm nowhere near this league for shooting. I recently picked up a CZ 457 varmint and I'm starting to apply some of these techniques. I only have access, right now, to a 25 yard range but it's still tons of fun. Thanks for your efforts and time.
Thanks Tom I really appreciate it
I learned something at our .22 Sniper Match Saturday. I need to weigh my ammo. I had 4 misses out of 60 rounds fired. All were high over the targets. My Bergara shoots in the .2s at 50 yards. This Lot of SK Long Range is one of it's favorites. I weighed 4 boxes when I got home. There were 3-4 heavy bullets in each box. ALL ammo must be Lot tested even Tenex. Center-X was more consistent weight wise. My Bergara does not like Eley. My H&R 12 and Kimber 82G like Eley.
I haven't started weighing them....yet. But I did buy one of those rim thickness gauges, not using the greatest dial gauge (HF) but even still I find variations in almost every box I measure and keep notes on my findings. Eley Match is amongst one of the best I've come across so far with variations measuring under .001, in fact I just purchased 2 bricks of their Benchrest Precision and the few boxes I measured came in at the same .001!!! The worst so far was Remington Thunderbolt, granted it's cheapo plinking ammo but I measured up to .006 total. Food for thought for those getting into the weighing their ammo game....lol
@@XFBO I weighed,then i went to rim thickness ,in eley club (for my 457 vp) .38 shot the best @ 100 .that was a 1000 rnds. out of that same lot there 300 of the .38 the rest is good practice ammo for me. I'm getting team this week hope it shoots better.
Were I competing at this level, I would be weighing and checking for deformities. I'd show up with the best of the best ! Reloaders know all about it ! Tumble the brass, ream the primer pocket, trim the oal, check the thickness of the rim and neck. After all that, weigh them. Then start weighing the bullets. I can get ridiculous, but so are the results !
With everything else taken care of with your equipment Lot testing is imperative if you want to be competitive in ELR . I can assure you the best of the best shooters do . Enjoy your videos Josh and glad to see your channel grow .
Lot testing is super important
Thanks for sharing your experience and thoughts....especially in such a methodical and professional way!
Thank you
Am About to undertake this exact process of ammo selection with my new B14r
Now I know the correct methodology
Great very easy to understand BS and biased free info
Thanks, Josh for all the information. Those last tenths of an inch are the most costly. Racing is the same way for fractions of a second. There is some luck involved nowadays for catching the distributors with ammo, although it seems to be improving.
Yes sir
Thank you for all the valuable info. I always enjoy watching. Having a hard time finding ammunition, But most folks are from what I hear. Thanks again for the video.
Yeah its tough.
Check on the website tomorrow and i will have good ammo companies with their links.
They are the guys i buy from and havent screwed anyone over on prices
I was intimidated by the topic but you made it pretty straight forward. Thanks.
Awesome
Thanks Josh. All of your testing helps me. Blessings
Great info 👍 this is certainly where I've decide to get off the escalator in terms of length I'm willing to go to get more accuracy. Love the videos 📹
Haha i hear ya
Excellent lecture, excellent demo. Thank you!
absolutely love this channel man, and it shows how much hard work you are doing and how your the real deal, keep up the hard work
Thanks Corey
Another great video. You’re getting better and better with every video you do 👌🏻
Thanks Andy I appreciate it
Josh the thing I like about your videos. You put out good information that helps people with there 22lr shooting. I spent a lot of years learning the things you are are putting on video. I thank that is great. I tell shooters about your videos because of the information that you have on them. Keep it up. ( Maybe one on the importance of trigger squeeze )
I am finally equipped to make the video and plan to start a new series "practice today, perform tomorrow"
Good info, sir! This makes me glad I bought a few boxes of each kind of SK; I’m hoping they’re different lots so I can try each and see.
After watching several of his videos I've subscribed because his knowledge base is so deep.
Old state rifle champion here.
Thanks Joe. Appreciate ya
Another great video. Love the scopecam shots. Really see how much 22 is lobbing in there
Yeah haha its falling out of the sky on those targets.
Thanks Bob
Trajectory like a rainbow
Thanks for sharing your content. I couldn't quite catch the websites. Could you either please list them in description or comments? Shoot straight!
Awesome information as usual and some beautiful shooting well done mate
Thanks brother
Love this channel. I just ordered up a cz 457 since watching your videos.
Awesome thanks
Thanks for showing how to read the labels and showing the difference between lots.
Will you do a video sometime on your scope camera setup, if you haven't done one already?
Congratulations on the new web site!
I will do a scope cam video
@@PursuitofAccuracy great! I look forward to it.
Another excellent video Josh....Really like the scopecam. I have the Tacticam and really enjoy the videos. Looking forward to the shirts too. Keep up the great work.
Thanks Rodger i appreciate it
Airgun shooters here in the UK have found that batch number (lot number) is king for pellets, we'll find a batch our gun likes then buy as many as we can afford of that batch.
Something FT and HFT shooters (UK's main outdoor airgun target sports) have been doing for many years now, there's still many that don't know this, many still go by the head size, which turns out is meaningless.
Great video as always Josh. I think Terry is correct. But in my case, retired and allergic to rockin' chairs, chasing that perfect group is too much fun to give-in to reality:) Best to all.
Haha Andrew you nailed it there 🤣🤣🤣
This is where a tuner pays for itself. I test lots without the tuner. Then, using my tuner, most of the time I can shrink down the group sizes of the lots that didn't do well to equal the ones that did
Tuner video in the works soon
this is why we choose to watch your videos above all others, you test ammo, you have shooting contests, and give us data and product reviews for what works best. Josh could you give us the names of the ammo companies again..Congrats on your new web site.
Yes sir, appreciate ya.
Creedmoor sports for RWS
Killough shooting sports for Eley
Good shooting for best all around prices
Champions choice for good pre pandemic prices
Great information! You should invite your people up to shoot with you. They would learn so much.
I'll check out your website.
I will 100% ve having a range day this winter. Plan to do 1st half of the day helping set up peoples rifles dope then a fun match after lunch
Kudos, another outstanding vid...looking forward to my T-shirts
Thanks Randy. Make sure your notifications are on so you see when they hit the website.
I'm just starting to play with rimfire precision stuff. I built up a CZ 455 a while back and then decided to play with the Tikka T1x as well. Thanks for the information in the videos.
Thanks Ben
Awesome info. Scope cam is pretty cool. I am glad to see you have a website. Will definitely order a shirt. Now our lot testing will get even harder! LOL😆
Lol thanks ShooterB.
@@PursuitofAccuracy so what i am understanding now is when you find a lot that works really good you have found the golden egg. So I should buy all that I can. I am back to work today and i just received my lot of ammo lastnight. Wish I could shoot another box before I bought more. There goes the credit card again.
@@ShooterB1 yes exactly.
Some people continously get good shooting ammo at random but you never get the best until you lot test.
7 out of 9 lots of eley match were .4-.6 groups. 2 lots shot much better.
The website had about 20 lots......thats not s good percentage to accidentally buy the best lot 😁😁
@@PursuitofAccuracy I bought more of the lot we talked about. Another case on top of what I have. I went to Champs and they have Eley M. Call in order only When you call will they have a list of in stock lots? Never bought from them.
@@ShooterB1 im not sure honestly. They usually sell direct through website
Fantastic man!
Thanks brother
2" at 180 is impressive!😮 For the meantime ill be happy with 2" at 100!
Acquired a Savage Precision in .22WMR.
Running a Mueller fixed 40×56 Target Dot, UTG Flex Recon bipod, with a radial brake (just so I can retain sight picture).
Would like to see ammo manufacturers produce competition grade ammo for this cartridge (.22WMR).
On the verge of acquiring an ATS barrel tuner (permits brake installation post tuner) OR the new Eric Cortina "EC tuner V.2" (as of 31Aug2022).
The ATS tuner screws directly onto
1/2 x 28 threads AND requires the muzzle cap to be reinstalled (or muzzle brake) whereas the EC model requires an adapter to attach the tuner. The NICE thing about the EC tuner is that NO TOOLS are required to make adjustments.
A tuner, is a tuner, is a tuner..., they all balance/time barrel harmonics. IMHO, the one that minimizes the amount of time for adjustments and is repeatable..., well the EC V.2 is the obvious choice. But my .22WMR rifle jumps enough at the muzzle that I cannot view impact.
Personally I'm probably going to go with Eric Cortina's V.2 model first and if sight picture retention isn't achievable then give the ATS model a go.
When did we begin making shooting rimfires so complicated?
Weight in the stock / chassis is going to tame a lot more recoil sight picture movement than the tuner
Loves watching the bullet “fall” from above through scope came view
Yeah pretty cool
New to the channel and new subscriber. A recommendation, could you please list out the equipment you're using in each of your videos in the written description? It would be a very helpful point of reference for the channel newbs or those passing by. Great content. Thank you for considering.
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Hi dear friend
It was great
Please play a long clip of a 22 caliber Hornet rifle
I use a remmington bucket o seeds. And have fun. Cz-457 at 1; 16 in arken 6-24x50 ,419 30 moa base. It shoots lights out even with cheap stuff. Point is rack the bolt and have fun peoples. 👍
Love watching the bullets lob into the target.
The problem is that during times of ammo shortage I end buying ammo what I can get, not what I want. In my country we cannot get ammo shipped by any courier company, only one is registered to do that and they know it and therefore charge extremely high rates for that. So we end up buying only local. Compared to you calculated at the direct exchange rate, we are paying double and more per box of what you pay. And also we are limited to the amount of ammo we are allowed to buy and be in possession of. You are lucky to be able to buy ammo as much as you want from where you want and get it shipped to you.
Yeah that does suck.
Awesome video coverage, Great information. And of course always a good amount of shooting From a great shooter. Hey just a suggestion would you consider painting the Pasties with honey and then shooting flies. At 50 yd 100 yd and maybe even 150 yds
Haha great idea. Will see what i can do
Thanks Josh I think that would be amazing. And it would be hilarious. Also if you could get your Buddy to do a challenge with you that would be even better..
@@joelclark2130 no chance of me sharing good fly shooting 😅🤣🤣
In your experience, does “enough” lot testing give you a data set where you can generally predict what a barrel will like (i.e. if a barrel prefers “slower” versions of Match in the 1030-1040 FPS range versus the 1060-10-70 range)? Or are there enough variables to where you have to lot test every few seasons?
I would still lot test every time i buy but buying less than a case is a waste of time and money if your lot testing.
Best to lot test then buy as much as you can afford so your not lot testing 6 times a year.
Similar speed does seem to continously provide the best lots though....just not always
My favorite round is the Eley subsonic, period ! But I have had guns that actually shot cheap ammo better ! I'm talking Remington Golden Bullets or Winchester Wildcats ! Each gun is different. Not always the most expensive round that performs. I would should as many different in each gun to find which is the best for that gun. I had a Ruger MkII pistol that ALWAYS outshot my rifles ! I had a T/C 10" single shot, octagonal barrel that was so accurate you could strike matches at close range w/o breaking them !
Thanks !!
Thanks for the information and the websites you recommend
No problem at all
Love the intro - very pro! Would like to hear your take on cold bore - what causes that first shot or two to be off center, ways to solve or mitigate it, etc.
Hi Joseph. I need to do a bit more resesrch but it is something i plan to cover
Awesome 👍 can’t wait to get some shirts. Keep up the good work
Thanks
Appreciate all the info guys.
Thanks
That scope cam footage was amazing.
I appreciate it Mantz
What is your mount to gopro?
Another great video! Thank you for all of your information!
Thanks Brian
Very informative video fantastic shooting !! Glad to hear your view on the 16 inch barrels I hav e a CZ 457 with 16 inch barrel and I am thinking of ordering a longer barrel I am wondering what you may suggest ?
Thanks from up here in British Columbia Canada
Could you make a barrel cleaning video and answer questions like:
How often
Nylon or bronze brush
Snake or rod
# of shots to regain accuracy
Hopes or other juice
Cleaning fluid vs lube
I will make one for sure.
Thank you, Sir. That was helpful.
Hey. Nice video. I commented on lot testing a couple of weeks ago but I see you were already working on it. 👌
How many acres of land is it taking to make that range?
I have around 5 acres of property.
I am lucky to have a large hill backing the property and no homes behind the property.
Good video. I don't think most people know about trying difference lot numbers of the same ammo. Most just try one box each brand. They may pass up the best ammo for there gun without doing lot testing. I normally try about 5 lot# of each brand. Four may just be OK and one could shoot whole group's If didn't try that lot# first you pass up some great ammo. All top brands ammo has lot #'s
Yes sir, exactly
Great Channel 👍
Thanks Mark
Group question here - What speed are you folks getting for Eley Match? I just lot tested 8 different boxes. Fully understanding that the velocity on the box is a suggestion, I found it much faster than expected.
Out of an 18" Shaw barrel in my RPR, clocked from a bench with a LabRadar with a motion trigger at 100yd indoor range. Temp around 65 F.
Across the 8 lots tested, Eley Match lots varied from 1118 - 1150 fps, all averaging XS of 20, SD of 7. Some lots were only marginally better, this is aggregate over 200+ shots. That's 50 - 80 fps faster than printed. Very consistent stuff, just much faster than other ammo tested. Some lots of Tenex I had came in at the same speeds (with SD around 3 - 5!), but thankfully it didn't shoot well in this rifle.
Center X was 1079 fps, XS of 44, SD of 7 over 60 shots. Exactly as advertised.
SK Flatnose Match was 1067 fps, XS of 36, SD of 11 over 100 shots. Also very close to published.
Fun part is that all tested ammo had at least one lot number that worked well in this rifle, 1080 and 1130 being the two sweet spots. To note, these numbers are 30-50 fps faster than the factory barrel.
Is Match or Tenex running this fast for any of you?
All my eley runs well above stated mv. Cz shoots it around 1100
@@PursuitofAccuracy Thank you. A little slower because of the longer Lilja barrel, makes sense. So it’s just fast ammo, noted.
Thanks for a very informative video. I watched a few of your videos today and learned enough to make me subscribe to your channel, however, I have a few questions regarding lot numbers. I get the part about different lots producing different results in different guns. I just went to one of the websites you mention and they list 20+ different lot numbers for a given ammo type. On the extreme, are you suggesting people do a lot test on all available lots? If not, which lots do we choose? I realize this is somewhat a wise-ass question except really what do we do? After we select a reasonable number of lots and test them, we should know which lot produced the best results in our rifle. At this point, we order a bunch of ammo from the preferred lot. This is all well and good until we run out of ammo. Do we then start the testing process all over? I am not trying to be difficult, but I am trying to understand the logic of this. We can't test every lot of every type and brand of ammo, and yet wouldn't that produce the best results. I have been shooting for a while but these questions about lot numbers have been on my mind for some time. I guess my real question might be, how do you limit your selections to reasonable numbers? Thanks again. I look forward to watching more videos.
Hi Hector.
So once you initially lot test you would want to buy as much as you can afford.
When you do run out look for lots around the same stated mv as the last lot....stated mv rarely matches your actual mv but that doesnt matter.....this will allow you to buy less lots in the future.
In a perfect world we could buy enough to never need to test again
Lapua will do the test for you and sell you how much ammo you can afford. You have to send them your gun for a while but it's worth the time.
Great video Josh, your CZ 457 shoots pretty well. Which chassis or stock do you prefer for PRS .22lr. I like the MDT chassis, but they are not cheap. Right now my CZ 457 MTR has a new barrel from IBI and a new trigger from Timney, but the stock has to do for now, until I have more money for a chassis.
Great videos been coming from this channel.
Thanks
@@PursuitofAccuracy just curious if you know any info on the reamer that was used for that barrel that is on your cz.
@@cz455guru3 I do not but lilja said it is their latest chamber design and designed for eley
I have run several guns through the test tunnel over the last year and it is truly a waste of time to do this and not buy a minimum of a case of ammo. I picked up a case of Midas from Lapua and multiple cases of Eley. I am going to start weighing my ammo prior to the next match to see if I can avoid those couple of flyers and bump up my scores.
Awesome
Thanks for the information and video.
Thanks Dwayne
Great advice thank you
It would be interesting to see how you group with off the shelf cci and other cheaper ammo. Checked existing videos and I couldn't find one from you quite like that
Cci seems to be moa at 50 for most of my rifles
@@PursuitofAccuracy thanks! My most expensive rimfire is an upgraded 10/22 I've had since I was about 12, so it's not quite an apples to apples comparison with your cz's. But it's still interesting to see the variance you get between regular and ideal conditions
Tried to find your website but it didn't come up. I'll keep checking
Weird it should be live. Has been up for about 4 days.
www.pursuitofaccuracy.com
Farthest iv ever shoot with a .22LR was 475 yards with the wind blowing 15 to 20. Hard to hit bit I had 2 hits.
You are so accurate...I can't find ammo that's
Not ridiculous...I have brain injury and my motor skills are not good..I know I can come close to what you do....I hoping to shoot pistol to help me try to improve my motor skills...its a long shot the tbi program said
I probably stuck at what I got...but I want to try...any ammo suggestions or where to buy
Thanks great channel
Check out kss for some eley or goodshooting for others.
Dont give up and you never lose. People love to tell what you cant do
ACTION SLICKING…I have a couple of 457’s…an LRP MTR, and a classic American. i noticed in your video how smooth and slick the action was on yours.I realise you must have put a boatload of rounds thru that action, but was wondering if you had done anything to the action to slick it up more?
Just don't shoot a Ruger.
New to the channel. Nicely done. Will be a regular.
Awesome. Welcome to the channel Craig
GREAT video! What scope is that?
Found it!
Awesome
Thanks for the great video. What arca rail were you using for this setup? I have a manners stock on a CZ 457 and need a rail for a BT bipod.
Great video again 👏 Do you think the lot of ammunition does matter if you weight and rimm sorting your bullets?
Yeah. I think sorting is good but why start with a worse shooting ammo when for the same $$ you can start with a better lot, you may not even bother with sorting with the right lot. I dont sort any ammo
Wish I seen this earlier.
Would have saved a lot of time , aggravation and money trying to get into accurate 22 shooting.
Hindsight..... I should've stuck to the 17hmr and only had to be limited by the wind
17hmr is an awesome rimfire round
I have about a brick of Tenex (1061 FPS) that shoots pretty good in my CZ 457 / Lilja - about .8 MOA. I bought a couple of bricks of another lot rated at 1062 FPS expecting similar results. At 50 yards, 4 five-shot groups averaged 1.5 MOA (1.4 - 1.9). Shot two groups at 100 averaging .8 MOA (.7 & .9). The best 4 in each group averaged .4 MOA.
I shot the original 1061 FPS lot and it was consistent at .9 MOA, 50 and 100 yards.
Same rifle, same 1-piece rest, same shooter, same day.
WTF?
The lots are very different. Its why all the major ammo companies have test facilities for shooters willing to send in their rifle to test.
Its always better to test in your environment from my experience.
@@PursuitofAccuracy did you notice the same group size at 50 and 100?
I went to champion choice and I can’t see the lot number for the boxes. How do I do that?
What is the FPS on the Eley Match that your CZ ptefers? Great Channel you have. Thanks
4m 40s That was very interesting😀👍
What are some of the websites you recommend for buying by the lot? Thanks!
Killough for eley
Lapua lot test centers for lapua
@@PursuitofAccuracy thanks!
Gracias.
Thank You Sir! This was a great explanation on DIY lot testing. I plan to try your method of cycling the bolt to reduce rifle disturbance/losing the target. 👍🇺🇸 #22aday
Thanks He Sa
OK, what's your setup and what works for you?
Difference between lots amazing. How long does it take for Eley to pump out a lot. ? Would be interesting in the context of how quickly you need to jump on a batch.....
Its really how fast the retailer moves the ammo that matters. I tend to test the day it shows up to my house and order whatever im gonna order that same day. Sometimes lots are gone in a week to two weeks
Thanks for that. Am in Australia, which is obviously a piddling market relative to the U.S., and suspect, as a relative newbie to a committed "pursuit of accuracy," that our supply lines won't be as good as yours and we certainly can't get ammunition delivered. You literally have to show up at a shop. Will investigate. Really enjoy your stuff, and thanks again for that prompt response.@@PursuitofAccuracy
Do you know how long lots are available once you find one that shoots
Most time they have 300-400 boxes of each lot.....once its gone its gone
I'm lucky to even find match ammo, let alone specific lots.
Online
I shoot a Ruger precision with a bsa 3-9 sweet 22 and I shoot one hole groups with CCI and and Winchester red box it hates the "target" ammo
I'm watching and learning...I would like your advice...I'm wanting to purchase the CZ 457 ...would you recommend the Varmint precision trainer camo or the Varmint precision chassis ...for best accuracy ??
Thanks your a great shooter
I've owned four 457's; an LRP, a Pro Varmint, and two MTR's (both 16.5" and 20"). All pretty much shot pretty well at 50yds (under 1/2" groupings) but no where near as well (tight) as my Bergara B14R. Out to 100 yds, my CZ's shine a bit better than the B14R with my 455 Mini Sniper being the #1 followed by my 20" MTR mounted in an KRG Bravo Chassis. As you may have read online, you're CZ will shoot well out of the box if you win the "CZ accuracy lottery". Before you buy, ask to see the paper test included in each box.
if your gun likes a certain LOT, will you be able to find the same lot eventually? Or does the manufacturer move on to the next sequential LOT in the process. For example, if you find a lLOT of 4567 that your barrell likes, will you be able to find LOT # 4567 a year later or even 5 months later? Or will the manufacturer have moved on to LOT # 4569 or even up to 5000 a year later?
When a machine stops the lot ends. So the lot # are very short term. If you find a golden lot buy it all
I usually hear you say, I'll put a link in that video down in the description but I never find the link. Are you putting the link in the comments?
I had to purge some links, got to love youtube
Is the video on your ch how to headspace or has it been taken down? I haven't been able to find it yet
@@PursuitofAccuracy
@@michaelbutler4961 yeah when youtube cam down on all of us I removed that video to avoid the strike
I was amused that the very first ad was for eye liner.
Lol
Bipod is really not good enough to test high-end match ammo. That ammo will be capable of tagging a .1" diameter 10-ring on a USBR Target 49 or 50 times out of 50.
With a barrel tuner, you could possibly get equivalent groups from whatever batch you end up with.
I dont shoot bench rest so i dont train or test off of front rest devices.
So basically what you are saying is you look for lots that they have a lot of stock, buy a box or 2 and immediately test and whatever lot performs the best the supplier is immediately out of stock on that particular lot.. lol
Hey Josh, can you Lott test SK long range match. or do you just buy it with no Lott numbers? Thanks in advance.
Im not aware of anywhere selling it by the lot
Safety guy here: anyone notice the safety off, cocked indicator, and closed bolt as the rifle spins in random directions? Like spin the bottle with a potentially loaded chamber!
- OK, likely a dry chamber, but worth noting the cocked indicator and safety off… right?
Haha and no worries. Chamber definitely empty and my bolt is always closed. The safety was most likely off as the last thing I do is check chamber and dry fire to relieve spring tension before it goes back on the gun rack
Good shootin.
Thanks Tim
Hello, I have a question. I have 30 moa rail and I want to put 20 moa sphur rings. Do I go with low, medium or high rings? 30, 34 and 44mm height? Scope is 34mm tube and 56mm objective.
Medium is safer but you could probably get away with low depending on eye relief
scope came is good to go!
Thanks S C
New to your site. What exactly is that rifle and what have you done to it? Thanks.
Cz 457 with a lilja barrel and timney trigger
@@PursuitofAccuracy Thank you. that sucker shoots.
I just took delivery of my new 457 varmint MTR and the grouping on the test target was 3/4 inch (1 1/2 MOA).
I was expecting better accuracy - at least 1 MOA.
Am I stuck with this 1 1/2 inch for the life of the rifle?
What were the different groupings of the new 457 MTRs that you bought?
Test target means nothing honestly.
They shoot that with whatever ammo lot they have. Its more of a reliability check and to make sure its ok to ship.
It will shoot 1 moa or less with just about any quality ammo