British Historian DESTROYS Emotional Race Activist with FACTS
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- Опубліковано 28 лип 2023
- In a heated "debate" on GB News, historian & broadcaster Rafe Heydel-Mankoo clashed with television personality Narinder Kaur on whether there were benefits to British colonization. Whilst many terrible wrongs were of course committed, Rafe's position is that, taken in the balance, the British Empire's legacy is far more positive than negative -- not least for women.
The debate was sparked after recent comments by former Australian Prime Minister John Howard, who said that Australia was "lucky" to have been colonized by Britain.
Him: Historical
Her: Hysterical
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Good one, also:
Him: Historical
Her: Hypocritical
were did it come from ???????
You: an idiot who can’t look at arguments!
Every word she said was true. He was just a book licker.
If Britain is such a wicked place , Why is she here ?
Because hypocrites always pull the same BS whether they live in Canada, the USA, Australia or the UK.
Deport that crazy ????
needs her hair bleached here.
Exactly!!
I really never understood that about people echoing the same sentiments in America. If it's such a horrible, racist place, why are so many people trying so hard to come here. Whether it be legally or not.
I am very upset with Britain because they came to Uruguay and try to colonize in 1806. The reason of my anger , is because the bloody left after 2 years !!!!!
The fact that she was ever given a spot on a national TV show is the most insane part.
Purely for shock value. The same thing as bread and circus in ancient rome. He's the bread, and her the circus.
Traditional media is failing, miserably, by every measure. Their last hope for survival is to become suppliers of trash and controversy.
GB News have lost some brilliant broadcasters since its inception. Andrew Neil, Mark Steyn and Dan Wootton. I find I watch less and less GB News and this is because the Broadcasters seem to have no control over their panellists, allowing them to scream over each other.
Exactly.
That's the point these shows are about ratings, drama equals ratings. She is a nobody. This is a wind up
I have a headache after listening to this woman. $500 hair , $300 nails, $1000 outfit, screaming at everyone on a public forum that she is somehow opressed by the people who gave her everything including the freedom to yell and scream at everyone. Bloody hell.....
She's despicable
Those with empty minds speak in high volume.
I wonder if they’ll ever realise that shouting doesn’t make them right 🤔
@@AM-ec9opWisdom chases people like her, and she is fleet of foot.
I highly doubt it.
You would almost say that the old Indian tribe understood how to deal with her. 🤭
One is calm, educated and collected. The other is a raving mad woman.
Another is a woman
All she had for a rebuttal was a word salad laden with woke buzz words meant to trigger peoples emotions.
and a ponce living here ? Britain is bad ? oh ill live here and take the money
That’s not an accident by GB News. They know exactly how she comes across which is why she’s invited on. I’d they had someone calm and composed they’d take the chubby fella apart on some of these issues.
That time of the month. Women be cra-cra...
If her ancestors were murdered, how did she get here?
Because you are a fool. Maybe her ancestors died after giving birth.
As an indigenous person of Australia, I completely agree with John Howard's words - that colonisation as the 'luckiest thing to have happened to his country'.
On one hand we have an historian and on the other hand we have an emotionally unbalanced race grifter with close to zero intellectual value. Can we please stop having someone like Narinder Kaur be part of discussions that she clearly isn't capable of having?
I totally agree. I imagine that the show's producers aim for a balance of opinions but this spoilt, pampered woman (who identifies as Indian but remains in Britain) seems incapable of reasoned argument. There is no need for "Jerry Springer" hysteria on a news programme.
TheWorldofMomus, a historian talking HIS-STORY, but What ABOUT the half that has not been told,(mystery),.😮😢,,.
Her IQ and shoe size are the same number
I suppose when the facts are on the other side it's hard to find someone balamced to refute them. It takes a special kind of person to dismiss any evidence and lie and exaggerate on TV. As is usually the case her outrage comes out of a sense of wounded pride, her moral outrsge won't extend to non-white people acting badly in history.
@@divyamalhotra9679what a strange opinion , no future? What do you think is going to happen? If , as you imply the place is going to the dogs I presume that you and people of like mind are already making plans to up sticks and toddle off to your chosen utopia. Britain has survived quite well for centuries and whatever spews out of your brain cell will survive and prosper. The constant sniveling about England and it's history is as tiresome as it is off beam, we are constantly told to apologize for our past , but, were are the demands for the same from all other states who behaved in like manner ? One clown on this site implied that England alone started slavery , such idiocy , people like that should not be walking amongst us , slavery is thousands of years old and still exists to this day, even the sainted Irish indulged in its practice , why this brain dead women is given air time is beyond comprehension, it is a wonder that she is not on the stage as a comedian she would get a barrel of laughs.
I am a 73 year old Zimbabwean (formerly a Rhodesian), and so I have experienced colonialism first hand. The British pioneers marched into Zimbabwe in 1890. It was a disease-ridden, war torn, trackless waste with wholesale murder of the Mashona tribes by the Matabele. In 90 years those of British descent turned it into a virtually first world country. We had good roads, railways, schools, communications, power grids (hydro-power from Kariba Dam - the biggest dam in the world, when it was completed), government buildings, hospitals, clinics, honest judicial system, and a police force in the top three in the world. Interestingly there were almost no emigrants.
We then faced mandatory sanctions initiated by England a the US, and a civil war initiated and financed by Russia and China. This led to a Marxist government under Gabriel Mugabe, which turned the country from the Breadbasket of Africa to a Basket case in 40 years. Now, under the Marxist Freedom Fighter government, probably a third of the population has fled the country.
Form your own conclusions.
Exactly!! She is too foolish to understand this. She only focuses on her nails and hair and wants to bleat. Im a zimbabwean so have also seen what has and what is now. She cant see the wider picture.
ITS ACTUALLY A DIFFERENT EXPERIENCE FOR DIFFERENT COLONIES. YOU CANT LUMP ALL BRITISH COLONIES IN THE SAME MANNERS. BECAUSE SOME OTHER BRITISH COLONIES WAS BETTER BEFORE THE BRITISH CAME AND SOME DID BETTER AFTER BRITISH CAME.
@wewenang5167 there's another hysterical one.. chill on the caps. Experiences may differ, but the benefits were the same for these 3rd world countries.
wailing banshee zero intelligence
@@peterrostron1278 you putting your resume out there?
If he argued in her style he'd be censored for being aggressive simply for being a man.
As an Indian, i agree completely! The British were a blessing in disguise.❤
She comes across as manic & unable to control her emotions. Silly woman.
The Aborigines would not exist today if not for the Brits, thr Japanese would have finished them off, the Japanese only became civilised after the brits and the USA kicked their ass
Those Harry Enfield comedy sketches are satirical, poppet.
Grow up, eh?
IndigoDisco, History can be a very EMOTIONAL SUBJECT,,,.
@@tneita3166On behalf of others. Ha
Meanwhile, race-grifting IS lucrative. And she is laughing all the way to the bank...
And historically illiterate.
She acted like a child throwing a tantrum.🥴
Yeah, good statement she does sound like a child.
She does it regularly 🙄
Does every time why have her on. I switch off when she appears. I would not want this woman speaking for me as she would destroy any argument with her ensnared bias anti British restricted brain power. GBnews you need to reflect on type of people allowed on ore you will go off air via viewers switching off more & more. A great shame
@@BaxterThewall, She gets paid for it.
I’ve heard this racist woman speak sorry rant a few times now as with a lot of racists the facts are absent and the accusations without basis. Do GBNews allow this racist to spout bile for sensationalism.
Economic history graduate here. Notwithstanding that woman's unhinged screeching, the British Empire really was a force for good. It's "free trade" model lifted more people out of poverty in the Empire than countries not colonised by Britain. In Africa despite the myths, there was a nett flow into African counties developing the infrastructure, which is why London, broke after WWII, could not make them independent fast enough in the 1960s. In a recent IMF paper discussing Haiti and the reasons for its collapse, research into poverty was cited where BRITISH COLONISATION was the only outlier (not contributing to a country's problems). French colonisation and adopting socialism on the other hand .... Be PROUD of your British heritage, it was a force for good.
And this is why I don't look to former Big Brother contestants for advice on social issues.
"YOU SOUND MAD, RAFE!!!" , says the lady screaming at the calm, polite gentleman at the other end of the table.
Was looking for the exact comment 👌🏽
😂😂😂😂
Thats lefty logic 101 - Be as aggressive, obnoxious and intolerant as possible, then accuse your opponent of being all those things and attempt to make yourself the victim. She's got that technique down to a T. Good job too because she didn't have a single solid fact up her sleeve.
Fully agree, except for one thing - she is no lady.
This "polite" gentleman is interrupting her all the time.
This woman is an example of what happens when you speak on emotions and not facts.
Lol she's an emotional idiot
She sounds like a lunatic. According to her, colonization was genocidal but look where she's LIVING......thank you very much.
To claim that she is capable of speech seems generous.
Typisch das solche Leute sich immer in die opferolle stellen, wo wären die Länder die kolonisiert wurden, sonst in ihrer Entwicklung?
Actually, that woman just happens.
World population in 1900 was 1.6 billion. Is she actually believes the british empire killed hundred of millions of people? 😂
If she hates the UK so much why is she living here?
That question really answers itself I think.
Send her to Afghanistan
She can get some great nail varnish here,
So she can shit on a doorstep that's not hers
Deport
Is a former big brother contestant really trying to debate history with a historian??
Is that who she is?! She sounds like a fishwife 🙈🥴
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no she is crying for attention she can only get by being a victim for other people
She’s presently and in the past used her ‘pretty privilege’ so widely that she is barely conscious of what it’s given her. Okay it certainly hasn’t supplied an IQ! But you can bet your bottom dollar she has very rarely heard the word ‘no’ up until now. She’s getting older and that’s wearing off. And haven’t gotten away with a lot because of her looks now thats wearing off she’s trying to depend on IQ. She is found very very wanting!
She said they're behind in education, implying they would have been better educated if left alone
It is amusing, at the end Narinder says that because of colonisation she now lives in a racist country (UK) instead of back home in India. Rafe says "India is one of the 5 most racist countries" and Narinder says "that has got nothing to do with colonisation" - sort of making Rafe's point for him.
He uses history to move us forward, She uses the past, cherry picks, and uses it to make a living.
A woman sitting there in beautiful clothes (well, to my eye anyway), perfectly styled hair, professionally applied makeup and in seemingly perfect health screaming that she's not lucky. Poor thing.
Don’t forget those nails!
@@sakr-el-bahr272 Ha, ha! Good point!
Why did the former Australian Prime Minister John Howard not break it down properly and say, "The ancestors of the Aboriginal Australians were lucky to have been invaded, murdered, raped, abused and enslaved by my British Ancestors as part of the process to modernity". One can not cherry pick the good while neglecting the vile things that British colonisers did in the process of colonising Australia.
@@paultembo8488 You are right but doesnt the same thing go for Africans enslaving other Africans in those times or is it ok to only look at white people cause it fits the narrative?
@@paultembo8488They WERE lucky. Look at their culture now, after they decided to keep it. Still backward, massive crime statistics. They simply refused to learn.
When she opened with 'hundreds of millions of deaths' she had already shown herself to be an absolute clown!
I'm not fat
She actually opened with a personal insult towards someone she was disagreeing with, gaslighting him and labelling him as "mad".
So right there, anything else she says after that is just falling on deaf ears.
If one cannot have a disagreement with another, without resorting to name calling, then they are just failing in anything they have to say.
Yes, this is what happens when they learn history from liars who re-write history to make absolute fools of themselves.
she pulled those numbers right out of the ether.
@@AbsoluteFact Surely, you can't mean the artifacts in the British museums are the 'hundreds of millions of dead Indians'!!!
Her emotion gets the better of her argument. He is right.
Rafe is totally correct.
Proverbs 29:9 - _If a wise man has an argument with a fool, the fool only rages and laughs, and there is no quiet._
“Don’t know where you get your facts from, but you sound quite mad!”
“From history books. You should try reading one once in a while” 😂
The man is a legend
She's a maniac! Rafe is a boss. Facts love. Facts.
Considering it’s the victors that write his-story I think we can take most of it with a pinch of salt.
wow, I'm thankful she's not my wife.
@@thepeacefulmumma7055 Among the winners were the Indian nobility who were able to enjoy their great wealth without the worry and expense of continual armed conflict with their neighbours - they could let the British handle all that while they indulged in all the myriad luxuries that their new worldly connections presented.
@@oglehom6208 I have known other Indian women like that - Hindu culture can be so deeply patriarchal that being overtly stroppy is the only way they can earn a modicum of respect.
You know that Narinder knows she's wrong when she gets hysterical. And she's always hysterical.
She's hysterical because he's interrupting her all the time, while he could initially talk without being interrupted.
If it wasn't for capitalism we would all be Nazis right now or we would be dead from the Nazis
Mind Begs the Question:
Hitler - Jews are 2nd Class
Britishers - Indians are 2nd Class
British Colonialism - Benevolent,Fascist?
@ulrikof.2486 video is 7 min long and she was screaming over everyone for 6 mins of it. She was the only one there that was rude and impolite
She's rude, rough and hate-filled.....
She’s starts at hysterical then ramps up. She is a professional victim.
i am from an ex British colony and yes he is right, the Empire did us good.
Narinder says she is British but hates us something doesn’t add up
British by birth but hates the nature of colonialism.
Maybe she should then return to her country of origin. Why does she not? Her name, after all, is Narinder KAUR!!
@@Cantonment-se1ec she says she is British but like most individuals who are educated hate the act of colonisation.
@@maxwellboyne2770
I’m surprised that one as learned as you is familiar with Big Brother and ‘Z list IndIan movies’ (sic).
You appear to be a real polymath, poppet! 😂😂
why doesn't she just leave England if she feels this way.
That lady is a grifter. She complains about colonization while pocketing the money she makes off of criticizing it. I don't see her handing over her income to the "victims".
You really can not take people like that seriously. Nothing that came out of her gob had any factual context in relation to history. Total nonsence.
because there are zero victims
She is not rational. Her behavior is uncalled for.
- And what these bloody Romans did for us?
- roads, hospitals, women's rights, sanitation, wine...
- alright, alright, but what else did they do for us? 🎉
She tries to shut down a debate by constantly talking over other people. She does not want to hear anything other than her bigoted opinion.
Its called Femsplaining.
Do you even know, what the word " bigot" mean?
@@urmitpatel5058 Do you?
She didnt interrupt him once when he first spoken but the minute it was her turn to speak he constantly interrupted and spoke over her. Re-watch it from the start.
@@sharonb6751He started to speak when she said I do not know where you get your information from so he told here from history books.
The reason she did not interrupt him first as she could not deny the facts and had no facts of here own all the way through her rants.
He hands down abliterated her.😂😂
If she hates the British so much why doesn’t she leave.
You mean go somewhere that won't remind her of England? Maybe she could go to Victoria in New South Wales, er... or Victoria British Columbia....errrrr... or maybe Brighton in Barbados....hmmmm.... or Wembley in Alberta.
Ok, maybe not.
London, Ontario?
😆
Well yes, anywhere that is not Great Britain.
She could return to India and live amongst her own people and benefit from the democracy, healthcare, education, industry, transport system the British gave India during the Empire period. She is a grifting hypocrite. @@paulmurgatroyd6372
agreed she should leave. plenty of us are grateful for the opportunity to live in britain
Britain never needed to apologise for its past, it’s the countries who believe we should be apologising that needs to take a long hard look at themselves
I can understand the African resentment of British colonialism. When they arrived the British ended tribal warfare and put a big dent in the slave trade. Africa has not been quite the same since.
LONG LIVE GREAT BRITAIN AND THE BRITISH PEOPLE
As a Greek whenever I hear people bashing England about their colonial past and then look at me ,waiting to add something negative, I tell them
'Listen, my only beef with England is that they didn't colonise Greece ' 🤷
😂😂👌👌👌
@@DipakBose-bq1vv First off England is the reason we do not speak German in Greece. Churchill was the one that stepped foot against Hitler in the first place. So saying that the English helped Nazis is your brains short circuit.And lastly English didn't owe us to help us again with Cyprus. Losing their men whilst surveilling significant territorial concessions in Asia Minor on the first world war and then again surveilling our seas in the second world war was enough.
@@erine.5680you have to realize dipakbose defines nazis as "people they disagree with." They absolutely support current nazis in ukraine, and were probably clapping alongside Canada's parliament in their recent standing ovation for a former SS officer who fought alongside hitler's nazi's as "one of the good guys." They're an indoctrinated loon who can't handle reality.
@@DipakBose-bq1vvI thought that was NATO decision Italy are far closer. I don’t think there’s room for yours and her placebo intellect. Englishphobia?
Indeed they gave you or at least they help a lot to get your independence and then they do get to help you as a protected country so they didn’t colonize you but sort of for a period of time
It's never a good look when you feel the need to shout over other people. She's not even aware of her own privileged life today because of the British whom she seems to despise so strongly.
If I felt so strongly about the british ". I'd move back to my ancestral home immediately.
I too would be gone. Military recruits will occasionally get issues when they head into town where I live from non natives due to British foreign policies. They do not have the courage of their convictions.
Rafe took this dreadful race baiting woman apart with facts and logic, well done
She wouldn’t do that she has it far too good in this country, we don’t treat women like surfs, and we don’t stone or behead them in this country, unlike other countries where women are still classed as second class citizens!!
You seem to be so-triggered.
When do you leave?
@robertcottam8824 who are you replying to? Because this guys comment is showing he is far from triggered and is agreeing with the historian not the woman
The entire debate about imperialism often forgets to consider the number of indigenous people who died at the hands of other indigenous people.
Well done that man!
It’s totally irresponsible to have a person like her on TV…very dangerous
@@TroisKayas Also Virology, economics, geopolitics, etc...
@@TroisKayasshe’s certainly bothering me ..
We have only ourselves to blame for watching her. That's seven minutes of my life that I'll never get back.
She sounds someone who loves swimming in the victimhood mentality pool. 😂
Not dangerous, just stupid.
“Im not lucky, I could be back home” - Nothing is stopping you my dear.
I’m sure she’ll fit in fine with the vapid Mumbai Bollywood crowd. Since so much of India speak English she’ll fit right in. lol
@@MandySam13She will fit in with the still-existing castless
she's not lucky, she's loooky
This woman is a nut. The average Aboriginal lifespan in Australia is 71.9 years for males and 75.6 years for females. That's 8 years less than the average - NOT 8 years less than white people. Australians with lower education don't live as long as Australians with high education, regardless of race and lots of other discrepancies, so it's not as if every other Australian lives to the average lifespan. The leading cause of death for Aboriginals is lung cancer because about 60% smoke, compared to the national average of 15%. She's correct about an aboriginal male being more likely to go to jail than university, but you can paraphrase that to they're more likely to commit a jailable offence than go to University. Less than 50% finish high school despite all kinds of programs to try to keep them in school. The Government has tried all kinds of things to keep them at school and into University. In the end, it is the indivual's responsibility to make the best choice for themselves. Set them back hundreds of years??? How do you do that? They were stoneage.
What a weird, aggressive, unhinged panelist. Totally unqualified to be participating in such a debate. Embarrassing
She said her ancestors were murdered. So how is she alive today if they were murdered? 😂🤷...
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I assume she meant after they procreated. She' still fricking nuts though.
Maybe those ancestors not in the direct lineage…are you usually this thick???
She's clearly emotionally charged and resentful that her people were dominated by a different race. She doesn't want to recognize women's rights improved hugely in India because of the British.
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Narinda is a well-balanced person: She has a chip on both shoulders!
Sack of spuds.
nah- she just has never been around people who holds her to basic standards of decency. the interview should have immediately stopped when she was being disrespectful. all they have to do is stop her and go: "if you can't speak with dignity and respect we are going to ask you to leave and we will continue this conversation with just him- understood?"
imagine how much more dignified she would be? woman are never held accountable.
A big block of wood for a brain too
@gerardk51. haha. Spot on .
You cant hold a calm and rational conversation with a ranting lunatic. Facts verses feelings, once again. This man deserves an award.
Damned right Britain should stop apologizing.
She just can't stop talking. That's how she defines winning an argument. Exhausting to watch. Imagine living with her.
Can I take the poison instead?
@@thefurrybastard1964 we will take it for you!
@@roseanneroseannadanna9651 *_NO! IT'S MINE!_*
The whole colonization issue or debate should be segmented into time periods and each time period analysed separately. To just jump to the conclusion that colonization was a benefit to the Colonized people is disrespectful to the victim. When Britain initially invested or ploughed back financial resources into the Colonies, was it for the benefit of the indigenous population or it was an endeavor by the UK to give its agents a good standard of living comparable to the UK while serving UK interests in plundering the new found lands. At some point, the UK presided over the largest human trafficking and exploitation, murders, rapes and all kinds of vile acts across all its colonies and more than any other European nation ever did. During that phase of colonization, can we say that colonization was of great benefit to the Colonies and the victims.
A different model or implementation would have been better than this one which was fueled by greed and the desire to domineer over other people. A more collaboratory approach would have yielded better results than the Colonization project.
If I went insane enough to live with her I wouldn't for long.
I'd jump out a window
"Read history books you should try once in awhile..." spot on, she's a dolt!
Then she replied: " history books are not facts"!😂😂😂
My great grandmother was abused by my great grandfather. I never met either of them, but clearly I deal with and suffer generational trauma.
That’s the way I’m supposed to act and feel, right?
“Apart from the sanitation, the medicine, education, wine, public order, irrigation, roads, the fresh water system, and public health ... what have the Romans ever done for us?
Brought peace!”
- Monty Python, The Life of Brian: Screenplay
Hundreds of millions? She’s insane.
I’m an Irish man. My entire family is Irish. Hearing these things can be extremely difficult to accept for people who had ancestors under colonial rule. But there is no denying that British values and cultural norms have massively benefitted both my country and others. This woman is clearly emotional.
Hello. I would like your opinion. My family background on my Father's side is Irish Catholic. He very much has a weird opinion on the British Empire.. he makes regular statements about Britain and Ireland and even states he sympathy for the IRA. Which from a historical view I can understand the IRA, yet he believes the British Empire was right to fight the Nazis, my brother has Learning Difficulties and would not have survived the Holocaust. If it wasn't for Britain, Ireland, Commonwealth and other Allied nations maybe he wouldn't have survived. .. I don't know its a very controversial issue 😂
@maxwellboyne2770 hello thank you for your reply! It's a very interesting topic! But very controversial. I completely agree with you in regards to people nowadays using Anti British remakrs as an excuse because of the past. Anymore information or your opinion would be appreciated!
@@cringegamer2075
Phonemes are great aren’t they? 😎
Don’t forget as an English working class person, we weren’t treated much better. This woman has shown her ignorance. Shout your viewpoint if you know your wrong.
Why doesn’t she go live in India.
Shouty versus reasoned argument. That’s a very hard choice to make.
Lovely comment!
We all recommend that Narinder Kaur emigrate to India where she would be undoubtedly happier.
Rafe Heydel-Mankoo- "Your ancestors are my ancestors. We're both Sikh." She had no idea.
All you need to do is look at this woman. Clearly she has embraced western culture and has done so with great enthusiasm.
Yes, but she also complained about not being in India . . . and here I thought planes could alleviate that pain. She could migrate back.
@@amssydsing3475 She would be repulsed by so man shltholes, so many flies, so much filth
@@amssydsing3475 She could migrate back and throw herself on the funeral pyre.
the bigger question is how people of her intelligence end up with positions of power and influence. vile
@@amssydsing3475 If she did, she would do the old visiting the Taj Mahal, Mysore Palace etc in a bus with a group of Anglo-Saxons and would only speak English at the reception.
People who scream their point of view make it clear that their opinions are emotion based, not fact based.
She'd be OK in a different screaming context: pbs.twimg.com/media/Er7tKPaXcAUl8uA.jpg
She talks over everyone everytime she’s on.
NOW THAT'S A FACT!!!!!
Try convincing most women and liberals of that.
Schrödinger's feminism: a woman is simultaneously a victim and empowered, until something happens. Then she chooses which state benefits her the most...
She literally said at the end she could be back home. So why doesn't she leave
I love my country and its rich history ! We saved the world in two world wars, and guided its economic development
You can never look ahead when you fetishize suffering you never experienced...
One can never look ahead if you do not accept the past. Fetishise or not.
Not only do we need to stop apologising, we need to stop allowing ourselves to be colonised as some perverse form of reparations.
It'll take force to fix that.
............ NO SURRENDER .
We tell the peoples of countries we colonise that they are now subjects of the British Empire.Many of them fought and died for the King and Queen in two world wars and since.Then we are shocked and dismayed when they turn to us for support.We bring them to this country to work in jobs Brits won’t do and then systematically deny them their rights.That’s Great Britain for you.
@markdavies9054 turn on us more like.
@@markdavies9054what rights are immigrants denied?
Im very proud to be Australian and of its British Ancestry may God long bless the Crown and her Commonwelath.
That's a beatdown....wow. Nice job Rafe
She not only got dismantled with facts she destroyed her own argument by not providing any.
Great response
As a Singaporean I totally agree. Thanks to the British for setting up ports, infrastructures, juridical system, public housing.
Also thank you so much british empire who looting whole India and Africa
The British was very unjust against the South African people. They bribed our black population and started the race hate so they could gain access to our gold and diamonds. Even with the atrocities in the concentration camps we accept their legacy. Never forgot it. But got on with our lives. Using what they have left on. Never destroying their flags and statues. Our black population that fought on the British sides now see everyone before them as hate speech.
May be you songaporean, but not indians beacause we had our own port thruogh which they entered,own judicial system,and tradong system .and even far better education system
@@surekhassunkad2146 And a tradition of burning widows alive, you miss that too?
@@surekhassunkad2146 I don't very much it was better than the English common law. Its used globally today, including India.
As she sits there with a small African village hanging around her neck talking about why everything is so bad.
Forgot India , where people still thankful today for England bringing the trains 😳
The lady clearly does not find facts convenient.
Do you know any facts, poppet?
She's found big fingernails & all the other western fashion junk.
If she's of Indian descent it would be worth asking if she'd prefer to live her life as an untouchable with no hope of improving her prospects, or perhaps be the guest of honor at a sati. Or perhaps been in India during the Muslim invasion and the wholesale slaughter of tens of millions of Hindus which went with it. It's noteworthy that India celebrated its independence from the defunct British Empire by seeing its political and religious factions fall to cutting one another's throats with right good will. A horrified Gandhi went on a hunger strike until the violence subsided.
@@usafvet100
Equally, it might be worth you considering YOUR place in the universe, poppet.
Believe it not, there are those of us in the UK who don’t share your ‘soccer, darts and Wetherspoons’ values.
If you’re unhappy here, I would be delighted to buy you a dinghy.
@@robertcottam8824 Ummm ... that's usafvet, not rafvet. I'm an American. Perhaps reading comprehension isn't your cup of tea.
He was factual and she was emotional. She got slayed. Let the past go and let’s move forward.
SHES AN IMBECILE throwing around words she clearly doesn’t know the meaning of.. GENOCIDE.. THEN WHY ARE THERE INDIGENOUS PEOPLE IN AUSTRALIA NOW CLAIMING TO BE VICTIMS.. if there was a total genocide we would not be dealing with this victimhood mentality now.. and I employ 6 indigenous people and they all hate the victimhood narrative and get preferential treatment from the government.. but it’s the few morons who want to exploit the narrative.. and some make MILLIONS LIKE A DUDE CALLED PEARSON WHO CREATES INDIGENOUS ORGANISATIONS AND RIPS THEM OFF AND CANT BE QUESTIONED BECAUSE HE CLAIMS ITS RACIST..
Yes couldn't agree more what's the point of being bitter about what happened centuries ago, I always say show show me a person who comes from a country with a perfect history, and I will show you a fool and a liar
When arguing with a woman stay in the logical lane and you’ll win. Get emotional, they win.
@@kardo_6627 No my friend. When arguing with a woman, regardless of what we say or do, we always lose...........
she was neurotic. woman are more prone to neuroticism. thats why the man was face palming the entire time and why the only people who side with her are neurotic woman- and soyboys.
Some people are so polarised they live in their own polar dimention.
Someone who says “actually” at a high rate shows a lack of education.
She says “I’m not lucky”. Okay, perhaps you want to live in a society where after your husband dies they burn you alive. Lol.
lol wishful thinking there I second that motion.
By shouting and butting in and not allowing others to speak doesn’t mean you are right.
All she ever does is shout at and over people. Wish they’d stop giving her a slot on TV programmes. Such an ignorant rude person.
The whole colonization issue or debate should be segmented into time periods and each time period analysed separately. To just jump to the conclusion that colonization was a benefit to the Colonized people is disrespectful to the victim. When Britain initially invested or ploughed back financial resources into the Colonies, was it for the benefit of the indigenous population or it was an endeavor by the UK to give its agents a good standard of living comparable to the UK while serving UK interests in plundering the new found lands. At some point, the UK presided over the largest human trafficking and exploitation, murders, rapes and all kinds of vile acts across all its colonies and more than any other European nation ever did. During that phase of colonization, can we say that colonization was of great benefit to the Colonies and the victims.
A different model or implementation would have been better than this one which was fueled by greed and the desire to domineer over other people. A more collaboratory approach would have yielded better results than the Colonization project.
it's like a PHD student explaining quantum dynamics to an unruly child
Just the fury and intonation of this woman makes her seem unhinged. You cannot debate an entity like this.
Honestly she's an example of setting back the quality of women debating in public by decades. Flying off the handle, emotionally shrill, sound-bites and rude and stupid. It's not acceptable behaviour to shout and screech. Talk sensibly and calmly...
Feeling strong emotions is no argument.
Love your quote at bottom! Do u know who said it? Or did you hear it constantly? Brilliant!
Well said.
I won’t be calm too if someone says colonisation was good, there is nothing good about colonisation, why British fought Italians if colonisation was good.
@@Jay-rd3hn Then you'd be silly with such an attitude wouldn't you, and be given a lollipop to go off and play with the kids and let the adults talk in a mature and sensible manner.
@@Jay-rd3hnAre you this woman? Did you just sit there with your fingers in yours ears going LALALALALA everytime he talked? Just gonna use your emotions like the girl we are criticising instead of listening to facts?
Grow up.
As an Australian, thank you Britannia.
100%
Nice one mate
You are not aboriginal then.. you are son of colonisers
@@vuk1419yes I am w was born in this country just because im not dark skinned doesn't mean im Aboriginal. And to theses radicals who think we are still a colony. We have been a nation since 1901.
@vuk1419 Dude, aboriginals have a very privileged existence in Australia. I wish I was one
Im Canadian
My heritage is English, Black and Indigenous
But I'm white
Thank you colonialism
It was actually physically painful to have to listen to that woman. I don't understand why the hosts let her keep on shouting over the other guest.
She keeps on talking over people, because she is in the wrong.
That woman is horrendous.
EVEN if she is right, her constant efforts to shut this guy from talking just makes it look like she’s afraid of his arguments.
Even worse, she’ll come away from this thinking she was winning!
Just horrendous.
She is not right and she knows it, that is why she has to keep shouting him down and gibbering nonsense.
Her grasp of the English language is also questionable!!!!
Very few leftists are open minded. They shout you down, and won't let you speak unless you agree with them.
@@suzanne386 She is not right and she doesn't know it. That's what they all do when confronted with facts they know nothing about. Screaming loud and often enough makes it the truth.
She isn’t right. She’s a sheep.
Let me finish, and then says "Hundreds of millions of people died'" for the ten millionth time. She was done after the first time she said this. And the people that Britain conquered, had conquered the inhabitants of that land who were there before them. Nobody was where they were back then unless they had conquered someone else. No one. People weren't where they were because they popped up like flowers from the ground. Keeley's great book "War Before Civilization" clearly backs this up. All over the world. It's exactly as one would assume it would have been. The "peaceful savage" is a compete & blatantly obvious fallacy. There was always a local tribe or group or sect who didn't have the foot of the conquered on their throats. Always. Judge if you like, but it was a time when "it was yours if you keep it" was the law of the land. It was musical chairs back then. Western Civilization stopped the music. At least for a time. It is getting interesting, however.
Im Thais, and we are proud of never having been colonized. Nevertheless, its quite common to hear people say that maybe we would have been better off now if we were under British rules, like Malaysia, Singapore, Hong Kong. On the contrary nobody wanted to be like the French colonies: Laos, Myanmar, Vietnam, Cambodia
She lost the argument when she said 100's of millions, lost credit for everything said after that.
I don't think she knows the difference between "Colonialism" and "Communism", they both start with the letter "c" and end in "ism" so they must be the same thing right?
@@clarkdavison40 She harms her case by saying "100s of millions", but whatever benefits colonisation brought to the colonies (as well as to the colonisers - we didn't do it out of the kindness of our hearts, after all!) a few million people DID actually die in the process, and the legacy had significant downsides too. And who's to say that India, for example, wouldn't have peacefully asked for railways anyway? Hard to know for sure. We need to look at both sides, and there are plenty of reputable, calm historians who can explain the negative side. Kaur is not the right man for the job 🙂
@@PeterOzanne "Kaur is not the right man for the job" well that depends on what his job is or was in the context of the televised discussion. His role was to represent his views that the British have plenty to be proud of when it comes to it's colonial past.
I would much prefer to hear a reasoned argument against that from somebody who was just as knowledgeable about historical events but did not agree with Kaur. Instead we get a highly emotional, shrieking, angry woman who seems to hate Britain and the British.
To hear an "expert" challenged by someone of equal or superior intellect is a great thing. Even better when both have to challenge their ideas and preconceptions. This was not that.
the funny thing is at the time there where just like a billion people if not less on the planet and she wanna say that england killed 10% of the human kind hahahaha Hitler would look real good next too queen victoria if that where true but we all know its just bs
@@clarkdavison40 Sorry Clark, I should have put quotes around "man" - it was a silly joke from my "gender critical" side (I think!). I totally agree with you - she was useless. He needed someone to challenge, calmly, his view that colonisation was all good; at least, he certainly, like many other "patriotic" people, seems to rather underplay the many misdeeds that did happen, just as she is also very one-sided. She was the wrong person for the job 🙂
Many people don't appreciate that if it wasn't for the British a number of tribes in South Africa wouldn't exist today. When she speaks about 'genocide' that is what the Zulu were practicing in Natal as they moved south, wholesale slaughter of tribes effectively wiping the identity off the face of Africa. The British, in their clashes with Shaka's Zulu warriors, effectively stopped that. A women of the Fingo tribe living in the Eastern Cape once said that if they had not stopped them, her tribe, and hence her, would no longer exist.
The same happened in New Zealand where maori tribes were constantly fighting each other with cannibalism and slavery a common theme, by signing an Agreement with the British Crown, Treaty of Waitangi, this was stopped and the genocide that was the eradication of the moriori tribe by maori was not repeated.
Two small but significant examples of the benefits of English colonialism. It should be noted the the greatest genocides have always been perpetrated by rules on their own people, generally in the name of communism, Pol Pot, Chairman Mao and the Ukranian Holodomour to name a few.
Edit:- It is also worth noting that the esteemed economist, Dr Thomas Sowell, said that it cost England more to keep the colonies than what England derived in economic benefits, the huge investments in infrastructure and technlogy transfers were incredible, not to mention that it was the British that stopped the slave trade, an action that nearly bankrupted the country due to the compensation payments that were made along with the military actions with the navy preventing the shipment of slaves.
Thanks for that observation. and mentioning thomas Sowell who is also a historian worth reading
@@janebennett8097 He's basically an economist but he has thoroughly researched history to write his excellent books.
It's hard to take someone serious when their nail polish matches their jacket!
It's so horrific that out of these two individuals, the entire British government, civil service, media, and the arts institutions, have sided with the ranting woman over the measured, rational historian.
If we don't restore the primacy of reason and rationality over blind and clueless emotion, we're done for.... God bless Rafe.
Total mismatch. The problem is she thinks she's intelligent. These people don't understand the concept of learning from your intellectual superiors.
Don't worry, she can make up for any intellectual gap by never letting the other person speak and constantly lying that the other person has "already talked too much" even if he only spoke for roughly 1 minute and then she went on a 6 minute unhinged rant which probably would have continued if she wasn't stopped by the host.
The CRT grifters are all the same they don't have the intelligence to see that CRT was written by a racist and isn't factual
"Never argue with fools. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.” ― Mark Twain.
Luckily the historian knew his shit and remained calm. What a crazy woman. She must be lonely…
Why was she even called to debate😂 yapping
My great grandmother was in a concentration camp in South Africa and told us about the atrocities the British soldiers committed in the camp. Some of the prisoners starved to death. Crops and farmhouses burnt and woman raped. And to do what? Get their blood hands on the gold in South Africa.
Wow , that angry women doesn’t speak very well of Great Britain, I take she’s left now and gone and found her land of milk and honey ?
Narinder could not get away with shouting at a man like that under Muslims, she would be stoned to death. The British she hates so much are the ones who gave her a voice to begin with.
How brits gave her a voice? India is a hindu country.
I've seen this woman enough times now that my brain just switches off when she opens her mouth as nothing of any real value or substance comes out. She's way too emotional and relies on feelings rather than facts.
She beat you to it when turning the brain off.
Remember O;Brien in 1984? He basically explained that the new reality was subjective not objective, saying " I could float in the air if i wished to, I don''t because I don't wish to". Orwell foresaw the future where everyone's "truth" is as valid as anyone else's. His remedy was this; " Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two equals four; if this is granted all else follows". Read 1984 people before they ban it.
Agreed. That wig of hers makes her look like a scarecrow too lol
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! 100 points for you :D@@mrnumbskull2048
Yes.. empty cans make the most noise you see. ;-)
Good and bad with colonization,I am part aboriginal but I do recognize the good and bad on both sides.i am adult enough to recognize that Australia could not have stayed in isolation.dont like Britain leave instead of taking the benefits of living there.
As a Spaniard who loves history, it is quite interesting to see the distinct types of collonization from every nation at every part of the world.
-The British was a pragmatic one who always looked for commercial supremacy, and used their collonies like assets for their kingdom. Which was more times good than bad, since commerce is based on capitalist exchange, and you can't have exchange if you don't develop the territories that provide a vital part of such.
But that also means they only cared for those they could use and/or take taxes from, so the aborigens from Australia, the American natives and especially the slaves bought from Africa were always at the bottom of the chain, and they suffered greatly.
-The French had a healthy collonization on North America, since they actually partook in a very extensive commercial relationship with the natives on which both came out with benefits.
On the other hand, what they did in Haiti was worse than several natural disasters. A land so overexploited it barely remained able to produce any crop, abslute deforestation, no natives whatsoever(only slave-descendants)... it was a shitshow.
-The Spanish weren't pragmatic at all and prioritized religious expansion, marrying the locals, etc etc. Most of the devastation happened unvoluntarily, with the diseases brought by them, for which the natives had no defenses. They exploited the gold and silver like no other and took a lot of bad economical decisions. But in exchange, their empire in America became unusually peaceful and prosperous, and by the XVIII century it had one of the highest GDP in the world.
However, after their independence, they descended into chaos.
It had indeed its ups and downs. But it's about the only collonial power where the vast majority of the population descends from the original natives.
As a historian you know shit all about Australia
@@colinflenley1203 I'm not a historian though.