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Well, I must admit that "continue holding short" sentence was very mumbled...
Yes. And he don´t need to say again what he already told him to do.
But theres no way to hear "cross runway" in that communication
Old coot was told "continue hold short". Wow.
Controller did run "hold short" together. Yet another reminder for the need for Clear communication on the part of controllers and Pilots.
I feel their is fault of both parties, which makes since why FAA is investigating. I
blame 60% to controller 40% to ford.
He should have that number on speed dial by now.
Twenty Rothmans comment of the day! Sad for him that he will get criticised more than anyone else making a similar mistake, just because of his celebrity.
@@PVflying remember when he landed on a taxiway? There are quite few people who have done this and neither of them were celebrities except for Mr. Ford...
Dude I swear to god I wrote the same thing and scrolled down to see yours. Great minds huh?
@@PVflying yeah they'll totally make fun of him for his celebrity not for that time he crashed into a golf course or that time he crashed off a runway or the time he landed on a taxiway at his home airport.
This time I don't think he's made a big mistake...
The tower's instructions were a mess "continue holding short" + fast mumbling...
Can’t we just cheer the fact that he landed on the runway?
Well, had he landed on the right taxiway, he wouldn't have had to cross runway 25.... Best to land on the apron, and roll in the hangar like a boss.
That's one way to see it...
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I don't know what his flying skills are at altitude, but he's a menace near the ground. He may be a great guy, cooperative with investigations, and apologetic, but he's going to get someone killed or seriously injured. He needs to be grounded, as anyone else with his record would be.
LOL
ATC: I'm sorry about this sir, I have a numbe....
Harrison Ford: Say no more, Siri call tower.
siri: 'calling tower. Again.'
"Do you need the number?" "No sir, I've got it on speed dial."
😂
That's awesome
"I'm the schmuck that has crossed the runway"
Hahahaha! Well played
omgg
For those wondering how this ended up. “The FAA has closed the case involving the pilot who crossed a Hawthorne Municipal Airport runway without authorization on April 24, 2020. The FAA required the pilot to take a remedial runway incursion training course. When the pilot successfully completed the course, the FAA closed the case with no additional action,” the FAA said in a statement to The Hollywood Reporter.
On another note, this non-standard phraseology and colloquial talk from US ATC is a disaster waiting to happen. This obviously was a case of an expectation bias and "continue holding short" is a completely redundant and dangerous instruction that makes no sense.
Finally, I'd suggest that HF should stop flying, for his own and other aviator's safety reasons. You just cannot stop time.
US air traffic is so weird with how they can't talk according to standard. Its even in their language ffs.
@@nilloc93 KJFK controllers would like to have a word with you 😂
Stars get away with so muchshit, until they kill tthemselves or a plain fulll of people.
"required to take a remedial runway incursion course". What the hell's the use of that? "Hey Dingus... don't cross a runway until tower sez so".
Yeah, they should stick with the protocol -.-
It's OK. He just wanted to know what it looks like from the ground perspective when another plane almost lands on your roof.
Mikosch2 😂😂😂
Lolol so true 😂
hahahahahhahaa
Cold
Savage
time for him to buy a hangar at an uncontrolled field.
Damn straight.
"Tatooine traffic Husky 9HU holding short of runway 25 Tatooine.'
*crosses runway*
yeah he can crash his plane there and nobody else would get hurt.
he should just buy the whole field
Or an ultralight. Or a glider.
Government Agencies typical response to an accident.
CIA: can we cover this up?
DOJ: Was it a justified shooting?
FAA: Was Harrison Ford involved?
lmfao
Love this comment, too funny!!
Funny!!
I cried...😂😂😂🤣
Maybe he should start investing in his own private airport
Or maybe he should stop flying before he gets someone killed.
Hanging up his wings is wiser
.. and get an announcer who's not trying to break the world record for speed talking.
Lot of old guys still flying most stay out of busy VFR, and controlled airports so they don't have to deal with that.
This is third incedent with harry i hope he hasent got some sort of dementa could be very dangerous.
ATC: “You need to listen up!”
Ford: “This baby did the Kessel Run in less than 12 parsecs!”
Now that's funny! 🤣
Parsecs is a unit of distance tho
Right, which meant he took a more direct path. Less than 12 vs someone being forced to go around.
Star wars 🤦♂️
@@WyvernApalis which makes sense when you're talking hyperspace.
Harrison Ford: Files flight plan
ATC: Flight plan is approved and here's a number for you to contact for later
Hahaha
Harrison Ford: No need sir, I have the number written down next to my callsign on the steering yoke!
😂
@HiWetcam Nope, only a driver's license, but that doesn't mean I can't have a little fun about the situation now can I?
LOL
Ford: "Yeah, hi, it's that schmuck again. No, right runway this time, just the wrong time."
Someone who's made the Kessel Run in 12 parsecs clearly has no time to hold short
LOL True!
Seriously. He's like 'god, is that the parsec? I'm late for hotel'.
If parsecs is a measure of distance I presume he would be quantum tunneling under the runway to shorten his trip like the Kessel run record thereby avoiding any obstruction, this is why he did not hold short
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"Get across that runway now" translates as "Punch it, Chewie!"
Winner
Holy hell this was awesome
😂😂😂😂😂
Lol
Hope he made it in 12 parsecs.
This dude has the NTSB and FAA on speed dial.
Nora Lincoln, maybe these two have him on speedial
@@magentaMegi it's a mutual arrangement.
I have to say, after hearing the controller say “continue hold short” in such a mumbled way, I can see clearly why Harrison misinterpreted. He even repeats back “continue 25”. That’s a strange order anyway. He doesn’t need to be told to continue doing what he’s already doing. I really don’t think he was wrong here.
He was told to continue because he called the tower again. The standard phraseology to cross a runway isn't "continue", it's "cross". Ford shouldn't have crossed unless he heard "cross runway 25"
"Continue holding short 25. Traffic on the runway"
Tbh I heard hold short more clearly than the continue part
Well he did enter a runway that was occupied by landing traffic so he was wrong, he was totally wrong. Very wrong.
There's a difference between armchair quarterbacking and being there calling the shots in real time.
Ford told the tower that he was holding short of the runway. He anticipated that the next instruction would be to cross it; not to keep doing what he was already doing. Next thing he heard was an instruction which started with "continue" and he automatically determined he was being given the clearance to cross that he was anticipating. I work in the railroad industry where this is referred to as complacency, which happens when somebody is too comfortable with the task they're performing.
While I believe that Ford accepted what he heard because was complacent, I also believe the controller confused the matter by giving redundant instructions and by not giving them clearly ("go ahead and back up" is a common joke amongst railroaders when discussing unclear directions). He either needed to simply acknowledge Ford's transmission with "Roger" or he needed to slowly and clearly give the same instruction over "Roger HU. Hold short of runway 25, traffic on the runway." (I also believe "Traffic on Final" was more accurate and might have given Ford more cause to question an interpretation that he was to proceed, but I may be stretching my knowledge here).
Both the tower operator and Ford have some culpability here because the communication was simply not good. However I think in terms of identifiable and retrainable faults which led to the ultimate breakdown, those lie with the controller. Ford's failure to correctly interpreted the directions can be traced back to the redundant and unclear communications from the tower operator.
@@tilmaneiche758 Engine noise isn't a very good excuse. The headphones block out most of the noise and I can hear atc clearly when in flight with the engine at full power. He was on the ground with his engine at idle.
I do agree that "Roger" is the correct response, according to the 7110.65, but all he heard was continue and that's a factor as well
Who says continue hold short..? Bad phraseology in my opinion
Avoid the word continue in connection with standing still.
when you also say "traffic on runway"... it is pretty clear what the controller wanted.
"continue" + all mumbled instruction
@@VASAviation Sounded pretty clear to me, but even if it wasn't they should readback before proceeding.
@@TheDarkFalcon it may be clear on this recording, but in a running plane it may be harder to hear and not as clear?
Observation: the controller’s use of the word “continue” may have thrown Ford off. He may have thought that the controller was wanting him to expedite for traffic on the runway.
Opinion: this was an easy mistake. I see it from time to time with pilots of all ages. Runway incursions SHOULDN’T happen, and should be avoided at all costs, but they happen. Regardless, the FAA is right to investigate.
Opinion: Is age getting to him? Maybe, but given that he read back what he THOUGHT he heard, tells me that he genuinely thought he had been cleared across.
Opinion: Ford should have a checkride with an FAA inspector and a full medical to ensure that he is A) maintaining proficiency B) is fit to pilot an aircraft.
Fact: Ford has decades of flying under his belt and has been a huge part of the GA community.
Opinion: someone like Ford who has such a deep love of flying would be devastated to be grounded.
After reading your observation and listening back again I can understand. Definitely a possibility of misunderstanding there. The last transmission to Ford was very quick and a half listen could have been misinterpreted. I think he should have confirmed but the tower sounded busy and I can understand if he went with what he thought heard instead of requesting a repeat transmission.
Message to all pilots here, if in doubt request retrans. No matter how busy we are we would prefer that increase the workload by 10% and be sure you know what to do than an error increase the workload by 200%. Never be afraid to ask for confirmation.
@Tom Huff blame can be shared
@@taylornate2 True but, it's pilot's decision what to do with the aircraft, we all make mistakes.
TheBeltrix The FAA should take his license....how many mistakes does it take to kill someone. 3 times your out.
I agree that the word "continue" shouldn't have been used here, because should have been a transmission problem or, like here, a really fast and mumbled talk, it can lead to misunderstanding instructions. I feel that a "Husky 9U, hold short of runway 25, traffic inbound." would have been much clearer.
"Continue" is clearly a bad word to use in that situation. "Keep holding short" or not saying anything at all until you wish the pilot to take additional action would be better.
I have to agree, the tower was at fault and I don't like Harrison Ford
"Continue HOLDING..." if your attention span isn't good for two words maybe it's time to hang it up....
Rhyme& Reason I have the opportunity to replay that part as we are on UA-cam and it is still hard to follow.
@@rhymereason3449 using continue was really stupid period. That's a 2 way radio system that others can key the microphone and drown out part of the transmission. If anyone bumped a microphone button all they might have heard is continue. Very stupid choice of words.
OP Agree 1000%
Its obvious now that Chewie did most of the flying in the Falcon
No, han just to old for flying this day
Don't use continue when wanting a pilot to hold short.
Tom Cooper Why not? explain.
@@rubenvillanueva8635 because it's totally unnecessary and is confusing.
Continue = go ahead, proceed
@@JV-tk3nn Completely agree. he should have said traffic is on final keep holding short runway 25 or something like that
J V -Continue, as used in ATC, means, "continue doing what you are doing". To an aircraft on final approach, I can say "Continue approach", to an aircraft taxiing, I can say "Continue taxiing" and to one holding at a position, I can say "Continue holding". It does not mean that he can taxi onto a runway, or proceed across a runway. "Go ahead", is usually used when you want the party to pass the message to you while on the radio or during landline communications. It is never used while controlling ground or airborne traffic. The phraseology used by this controller was correct, some say spoken very fast. I have been in this business for 34 years and it seemed normal to me, then again, I know what to expect. When hearing, "continue holding, aircraft on the runway", the bells should have started ringing in the pilots mind. Inadvertently, he heard only what he thought he was going to hear, and that was to cross the runway. Pavlov, Russian scientist, did an an experiment with dogs. He rang a bell, the dogs came salivating and he fed them. They always responded in the same manner, salivating and were fed. Then he rang the bell, they came, but were not fed. Later he again rang the bell, they came salivating, but were not fed. The pilot expected to hear "Cross rwy 25 approved", but that was not the case. He heard the transmission, but did not mentally understand it. He mentally interpreted it as crossing instruction.
Pilots have an expectancy bias of what to hear, HF is expecting the next instructions to be “Continue across runway 25...”. With engines running i5 is easy to hear the word “continue “ and your brain autofills the expectation. It was not a good command from ATC on this one.
“continue holding short.”
That’s like saying “Go keep stopping at the red light”
Good point, good analogy.
No it isn't. Tower didn't ask for a report when he was holding short. His call that he was holding short was superfluous. So the response, "continue holding short". Is completely appropriate.
@@JimLatp is it standard phraseology? No, I don't think it is, even in the USA. And actually it is better to report holding short if you are not sure whether you have to or not. Both messed up here but I think that could have happened to any pilot if the atc just mumbles whatever He said. Especially if He uses non Standard stuff
@@trox6734 to be fair the instructions that he gave Harrison were pretty hard to understand, but I don't think its the "continue holding short" that was the problem in this incident I think its that he only understood the runway 25 and traffic on runway and then presumed that he was cleared to cross the active runway without checking with the controller.
That is exactly what the are saying and is standard verbiage. "Continue doing what you are/where instructed to do." If he is going to ask, "Do I need to still be stopped at this red light" then they are going to respond "Yes, continue to stay stopped at the red light as we instructed you".
Why does he sound so out of breath? Did he fly there by flapping his arms?
I thought he was having a stroke
He always sounds like that, it's just the way he talks.
Can't make a mistake like that (like, literally you can't - no matter what), sucks that it seems he may be too old to pilot. Ah, well. :)
His mind is probably flying very high 😆
This is unfortunate. I personally don’t start moving until after I read back. Everything happened so fast that ATC couldn’t correct him to prevent the pilot dev.
AJ - A controllers worst nightmare! You have an aircraft land, you are watching it on roll out, and out of your side vision, you see another aircraft enter the active runway! The pucker factor gets so high, you feel it around your throat!
That's why he prefers to be "the schmuck that lands on taxiway" Charlie. No need to hold short for traffic.
"continue holding short runway 25". He could hear "Continue **static noise or silence** runway 25." Probably confirmation bias makes him think/hear "Continue cross/go runway 25." I think they both are responsible for this situation. Maybe sentences like "continue holding", "continue stopping" should not be allowed there.
kolys1 exactly!
Good point, we hear the audio from the logging system of a presumably ideally installed and maintained radio, not what came out of the pilot's headset. Still, not good from either of them. "stand by" might be more appropriate and immediately understandable?
If you’re unsure, ask.
"Hold position" would have worked perfectly well here.
continue doesn't mean cross. Clearance to cross a runway is a specific thing. Read back while doing something is a terrible plan, too, it leaves no time for correction. You HEAR the clearance, you READ BACK the clearance, then you EXECUTE the instruction. If you do step 2 and 3 at the same time, there's no point in step 2. He interpreted what he heard as what he wanted to hear, and that's a dangerous thing.
Why is he saying - "Continue..." I think this was the problem.
jonny You think?! In reality, “continue (action)” is exactly the proper instruction.
@@avocadoflight No, he said exactly what the video says, "Continue holding short runway 25, traffic on the runway."
@johnny He's saying that because Ford called in to say that he was holding short. The Tower was replying that he should continue to hold short for now because there was traffic on the runway.
@@afcgeo882 He doesn’t need to be told to continue doing what he’s already doing... That makes no sense. ATC should say "Hold position. Traffic on final" or something like that.
jonny He absolutely needs to be told when he is being vague in read back. In fact, that’s the procedure. The AT controller must ensure that the pilot understands. A “hold position” had already been given. Now a “continue to hold position” was issued. Everything is correct.
Things don’t make sense to you because you’re not a pilot.
Even if he misinterpreted "continue", he should still have looked for traffic. But it sounds like he was gunning for it (unless the audio was edited). Also ironic the controller was trying to be extra safe by reinforcing the hold short instruction but that ended up creating the danger.
Incoming traffic above and almost 90-degrees off from him, may have been blocked and impossible to see by limitations of cockpit windows...
@@xheralt you are absolutely right. I Drive 40t Truck when Entering a roundabout Cars and even Trucks seem to vanish behind the mirror and door bars. Even with a Car you experience the Same.
".. continue on to runway 25, time to run for the runway.."
thats what I hear
You are correct the controllers are on egg shells with this guy. He is dangerous.
Exactly. He said it so quickly, that it sounded almost like "continue taxi" to me.
"Everythings fine here now, were all good here, everthing is fine, how are you"
Fly, yes .... land, no
What's your operating number?
Love this one!!!!🤣🤣
FAA:
Ford: Yeah, it's me again.
"continue holding short". This is the problem here to me. You listen out for key information and ford appears to pick up "continue" and revs engine.
Yeah, no. "Continue" doesn't mean anything. Until you hear the instruction to "cross runway 25" you have no business getting on that runway.
Then again, that's probably exactly what he *thought* he heard, so if the ATC wasn't once again trying to break his 1000 words per minute record odds are the incursion would never have happened...
October Wolf in a busy airport, yeah kind of. But if it’s not that busy, it’s not necessary and they should speak slower and more clear.
Listen again, I lean to "Can you hold short". Really rushed delivery AAR.
@@ZUZAINFINITY weird how european airports manage without being a garbled mess.
Jez Cort - Has Ford not heard the phraseology used when instructed to cross a runway? Sure as hell, it is not continue!
1st: He should've acknowledged the clearance BEFORE proceeding.
2nd : Generally , even if you ( PIC ) have clearance for the ATC to cross the runway, you should visually check for traffic before proceeding.
The traffic was far away
High wing aircraft. Not likely he could see anything.
Agree on point one, but there is nothing here to suggest that he didn’t visually clear final.
ATC clearly said that there was traffic on the runway, and his logical answer is to cross said runway?
@@tonyweaver2353 obviously he misheard. I still would like to know why the tower called him at all. The pilot was already holding. You don't need to tell a pilot to keep doing what they're doing. That's just confusing
ATC: 89HU, the odds of successfully crossing the runway while traffic is landing is-
Harrison Ford: NEVER TELL ME THE ODDS
"IN FACT, NEVER TELL ME ANYTHING WHILE I'M FLYING!"
I heard hold short twice. Without reading it. Harrison Ford sounded like he was napping on the taxiway. If you're not sure what the towers said ask him to repeat it it's a simple as that.
".. continue on to runway 25, time to run for the runway.."
Thats what I hear ..
Anyway, the whole point of Ford responding that he's crossing already serves the purpose of letting the tower control know whether he's heard the instructions correctly or wrongly ... there's no need to ask for repeating the instructions ...
My hearing is perfectly fine, yearly health check.
That guy talk way too fast, you're only able to know the words due to cheating by looking at the video texts ...
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Both at fault. “Continue.... mumble 25” makes it really easy to hear why Ford thought it was an order to cross, but you gotta do the read back & give ATC time to correct before making the move.
Nowhere near as bad as his previous mistakes though.
True, but all you need to hear is the word ''HOLD SHORT'' from ATC to relize you are not cleared to cross, if the pilot is confused or unsure of an Instruction , its the pilots responsibility to request a clarification (say again)
Plus like others stated, he should have known there was a traffic landing... Even if ATC instructed otherwise, if the traffic hadn't landed he shouldn't have crossed the runway
@@alpha7440 we don't have the full picture. Traffic on the runway could mean ford saw the plane land and it was already was at taxiing speed. With silence trimmed people just assume the plane was still on final
@@lovejetfuel4071 It's also ATC's responsibility to give clear instructions. You don't rush through a hold short clearance for a runway. When the FSDO looks at this, I'm sure they'll have a word with tower operations as well as Harrison Ford.
@@lovejetfuel4071 funny thing is, the hold short part was the hardest to hear in that sentence and if you get it mixed up and heard cross/continue whatever, the pilot isnt going to say say again because he thinks/know (not second guessing here) he was told to cross
You're gonna need a side-channel for Harrison Ford's ATC comms
continue not continuing your taxi....hmmmmm
Continue to not continue continuing
Continue approach, valid ... continue taxi, ok ... continue holding short, possible problem, correct phraseology is just restating "hold short" if you're amending something.
There's nothing to continue when you're holding except to hold. You can't "continue" on a runway that you're not on.
Fabio Calissi Don’t do what Donny doesn’t do.
@@tomsmith3045 Continue should not have been used with someone holding short. Why did ATC even talk to him? Hold short. Held short and waiting to be told to proceed. Recipe for disaster.
I think it’s a case of ‘hearing’ what you’re expecting to hear. Sort of a confirmation bias.
Oh yes, I was coming in to an obvious left hand traffic pattern and ATC said report on Right downwind. I even repeated it - Duh! and then set up for left hand traffic. After confirmation of the mistake, ATC cleared me to land left hand pattern. I have no idea why the right hand traffic was called.
Harrison Ford already has the tower's number.
Ryan Ruark He probably keeps a Rolodex of the tower phone numbers of the airports he flies to.
Not sure if he makes a lot of mistakes or we hear of them more
I mean, regardless, he shouldn't be making so many mistakes that he's made. I'm not saying this incident was completely his fault, but I'm talking overall.
In the other video he actually says that it's his first time making a mistake I'm pretty sure he said fuck it after it, I have only 1 thing to say: Good luck Harrison, nice cars tho
definitely the latter
@BrantheBroken He's made at least six we know of.
@@pickles3128 as far as I'm aware only this and the landing on taxiway charlie are pilot error (i.e. his fault). I know at least 2 of the other incidents had little to do with him making a mistake, and one incident was unquestionably a mechanical failure.
Even if I had heard "mumblemumblemumble traffic on the runway" - to me that would be a clue to not go.
Problem was it was continue hsjsoauagajdkfudyshajfudyagqkeodusg.
".. continue on to runway 25, time to run for the runway.."
Frankly thats what I heard on first listening, without seeing the text in the video...
Good instincts Owen.
Over an aviation headset with cockpit noise that “continue to hold short” instruction was easily mistaken for “cross runway” not to mention unnecessary. He read back “ hold short at...” that is all that was required to keep him there. When you confirm the hold short instruction and you’re waiting at the runway the next command you hear would normally be “go ahead and cross the runway”. It was confusing and completely superfluous to tell him to continue to hold there, not to mention rushed and unclear speech. I don’t think ATC has a leg to stand on with this one.
You're right, there needs to be standard phraseology from all towers, especially if it's at an international airport (which maybe this was not at) I like listening to Hong Kong Airport and Heathrow Airport, both using the same phraseology such as the strange new part for me which was "line up and wait behind" which I then started to see some sense in the wording later on.
Yeah I would automatically assume the word continue meant go even after that word he did say holding short but still the word continue is kind of unanimous I would think
It wasn't superfluous to tell him, because he called the tower again.
MajorLeague Holding short needed to be addressed as Fords answer prior was incomplete as “holding short of Hotel”, prompting the ATC to re-issue the direction.
Worldaviation 4K Aside from standard phraseology words, communications have to use regular English words at the correct knowledge level. International pilots and air traffic controllers are required to have that knowledge, but many do not.
The word “continue” is a basic word with a basic meaning, but many poorly educated (in English) people misinterpret that meaning as “to go” or “proceed”. It does not mean ANY of those things, at all. When everyone involved actually commands at least basic English, there will he no issue using it.
In this case, the ATC used the word “continue” properly. Most commenters on here do not. This lack of basic English terms is often masked by commenters blaming the speed of transmission or “ambiguity” of commands. In reality, the fault lies in English comprehension. I get that many are not native English speakers and that it’s a challenge, but nonetheless, that’s the issue.
Tower: You need to listen up!
Ford: I thought exactly the opposite.
lol
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If planes had turn signals, Harrison Ford's would have been on for the past 7 years.
Everybody gangsta until tower asks you to write down the phone number
Love that he is still getting up and flying but dang he needs to be careful...
At what point does the fact that he's an elderly GA pilot with a history of safety issues outweigh the fact that he's Han Solo?
@@gastonbell108
It's not because of who he is, I love when elderly people stay active and pursue their hobbies.
I think it is totally reasonable for him to be able to fly. That being said, it probably would be a-lot better for him to move his aircraft to a pilot controlled field somewhere in the Midwest where traffic is light.
@@Jonnydeerhunter I love elderly people less then their hobbies can kill people, and they can't do their hobbies well because of their age. I think retesting should occur at a certain age.
@@TheOwenMajor That`s what a bi-annual flight revue is for.
Yep, Flying a Husky isn't like dusting crops boy!
That's why readbacks are important.
Is it normal for ATC to instruct traffic to "Continue holding?" Especially immediately after being instructed to "hold" short of a runway? ATC did speak fast and I can see how the "continue hold" instruction can be misconstrued for "cross", especially since the "Continue holding" instruction was delivered shortly after the "hold" instruction.
I know I'm a little late here but here's my insights.... the statement "holding short" when initiated by the pilot is more of a request saying "I'm ready to cross". When I do this at my airport, the response is either "Cross Runway XX" or "Hold Short XX". So it's very expected that ATC will give a response immediately. The word "continue" is a little unusual and may have thrown him off, but you really should be looking for the words "cross" or "hold short". Silence would be interpreted as "message not received" so it's definitely expected that an immediate response of "hold short" was given, just the word "continue" was a little non-standard.
@@MatthewDelBuono Thank you, yeah that makes sense, "continue" probably should not have been used.
"REMAIN in your holding position" will be virtually impossible to misunderstand.
Ddrt1554 Addh6 - Same as, "CONTINUE HOLDING SHORT RUNWAY 25, Traffic on the runway" Impossible to confuse or misunderstand.
@@rubenvillanueva8635 Wrong ! If you get any radio stutters after the word continue, there is a risk of misinterpretation.
using "continue" while talking extremely fast risks what just happened to Ford ... you can't talk in world record speed and blame others for not hearing properly. To many people they just hear "continue (gibberish.. giberrish).. runway 25 ... time to run on the runway" ...
Ddrt1554 Addh6 -I believe stuttering would disqualify you from ATC duties.
@@rubenvillanueva8635 Do you want me to Google 'radio stutter" for you?
The communications from the tower was pretty garbled after the "continue" hold short. I question if there was a reason for the tower to even tell him to "continue hold short." He already told Ford to hold short runway 25 at Hotel. Ford then acknowledged he was holding short at hotel. Why would the controller say "continue hold short?" I would expect the next instruction Ford was looking for was permission to cross runway 25. He may have heard the "continue" as permission to cross the runway and in the process of throttling up, missed the rest of the garbled communication. The controller wasn't very clear and at the rate of speed he was talking, I can understand how he was misunderstood.
I agree with you!
M. Murphy there’s a gap in the audio where the controller told him to taxi and hold short of the runway, then a few moments later he gets there and is probably sitting short of the runway waiting for the controller to tell him to cross. Reminding the controller he is still there, he queries the controller by saying he’s holding short and the controller told him to continue to hold short. It would have taken him some time to taxi From delta to Sierra to hotel, he was given these instructions as he was getting off the runway not while he was holding short of 25 at hotel
Ford called the tower again, so there was a reason for the controller to tell him to continue to hold short.
Brian Brink Fordcwas asked by the controller “What are your intentions?” He responded by saying his destination was the hangars, At that point the controller gave him taxiing instructions with the admonition to hold short 25 . Ford reported to the controller that he was holding short to let the controller know where he was.To be honest, it’s been years since I’ve flown as PIC and obvious things have changed but I’ve never heard a controller tell an aircraft to “continue hold short” without some inquiry from the pilot who is at the stop bar. While Ford is ultimately responsible, the controller has some culpability in this too.
@@offdutyagain I agree, Should have been more like, from ATC: "Hold position. Traffic on final".
Continue + mumbling + 25, traffic on the runway. Sorry but this time I'm on Harrison's side.
Traffic on the runway and you think they'll clear you to cross? How about if you didn't hear everything clearly, you stop and confirm
You don't cross a runway unless you hear the term "cross". He should have confirmed with the tower before continuing.
Your inability to comprehend English does not equate to the other person “mumbling.”
@@afcgeo882 :)
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One of the things that I notice people keep mentioning is the fact that you can easily become confused when you hear a command to continue to hold. With all of the noise in a cockpit part of the key to understanding what is being told to you is predicting what type of information is going to come to you. When you receive anything at all while you are holding at a point, you're automatically going to assume that they're talking to you because they want you to go now.
When you usually land on golf courses all that airport protocol can be so confusing
“Holding short at Hotel” -> waiting for clearance to continue across -> “continue holding short runway 25”... I’m not saying it’s entirely ambiguous, but they aren’t talking the same language, either... That’s still the same frequency as 816CT though, right?
Israel Shirk Yes.
Some ATC controllers speak so fast, these things can easily happen. Siding with Ford here. Hate also the smart ass comment at the end saying "You need to listen up". This video makes it sound so easy with the subtitles.
Perry Synanidis No, they cannot easily happen. You don’t hear English very well and don’t know anything about piloting. That’s not the ATCs fault.
George L sure bud whatever you say (or try to say)
The Guy talked incredible fast. Without subtitles I would understand continue, Cross 25 and so on.
Ah, but "cross" was never used, neither was "clear", that's exactly why standard phraseology and syntax exist, and Ford got it wrong.
ATC clearly issued a hold short instruction. Ford read it back. He was never issued a clearance to cross. Sorry but sometimes it’s 100% pilot error, and I say that as a pilot.
OK, I'm not defending a runway incursion, but taxiway Hotel is the very, very end of 25. Ford had landed and departed the runway on taxiway Delta, which is a little less than halfway down the runway (which is almost 5,000' ). The plane landing was a Cirrus and had about a 5kt headwind. The specs for that aircraft indicate a ground roll with no wind on landing of around 1,200'. So the likelihood of those two colliding is pretty close to zero. With that said, the airport diagram for HHR indicates: "Be alert to runway crossing clearances. Read back of all runway holding instructions is required". Ford's mistake was he began to proceed during his read back of the controller's "continue to hold" instruction. I think if there was any real danger, the controller would have issued and "all stop" to Ford and the Cirrus. I'd love to hear what the Cirrus pilot has to say about it.
ATC: "join Alpha, hold short of MikeAlpha"
FORD: "taxi Alpha, hold short to November"
WHERE DO YOU ENTER THE RAMP?
OK TO THE RAMP!
NEGATIVE, THAT WAS A QUESTION!!!
I see you guys have both seen the clueless air china guy vs raging ATC video
Sounds more like Joe Biden.
@@GoodLifeInSpain f trump
Ford is a Chinese?
That is a controller deviation - So mumbling, which could EASILY be mistaken.
Exactly my thought. Mumbling in combination with very bad phrasing that is prone to misunderstanding. This could've happened to anyone.
It was clear and I struggle with accents.
Agreed, shouldn't Ford have held off if he wasn't sure/or confirmed with a copy? Seems like both were not fully aware.
No. Continue hold short.. TRAFFIC ON THE RUNWAY! That is plain as day. Ford is a disaster waiting to happen. he probably cant even understand how to use his TV remote let alone fly.
Madcap Laughs you simply don’t use continue in combination with a hold short instruction, it’s a disaster waiting to happen. That’s exactly the reason why there is standard phraseology.
$20 Tower Bet:
Get Husky driver to "continue" his taxi so a moviestar will phone us.
😂😂😂😂you might be right
Can I use some parts of that video? Just want to make the analisys/analitic video about that RW incurcion...
everyone: "so the stories of you getting too old...."
Ford: "it's all true"
Time Mr Ford had his licence revoked me thinks? This is becoming a regular occurrence 😷
I think Harrison needs his own uncontrolled field. One runaway that’s it.
Apparently he has problems with complexities of bigger airports
To me it seems as if Harrison Ford needs an aircraft that's actually bound to a pole rammed into the earth... He's just an accident waiting to happen.
@@ChristianLamine He literally had like two incidents in some decades and he flies a lot. We are not even sure he is at fault in this one. I honestly dare you to do better.
@Jorge Libs
1) he did read back his landing clearance, we've missed part of it due to static but it was there. The controller was satisfied with his readback.
2) He didn't have to say "taxi to X Hangar" in that particular conversation.
3) As far as I know, traffic on the runway does not preclude ATC from issuing runway cross clearance. For example, I do believe the whole purpose of "line up and wait" clearance is to wait for the landing traffic to exit the safety area of the runway. But in any case, we just don't know how this clearance sounded like in Ford's comms. If all he heard was "continue... runway..." he could have reasonably assumed that he got that clearance given that the other traffic he was holding short for has already landed.
I really don't see what's the issue here - due to prompt readbacks there was no real danger of an accident as the controller was immediately made aware that Ford did not understand instructions and the situation was resolved by simply letting him continue crossing the runway. I mean - that's why we have readbacks.
@@YaroslavNechaev Well, we have readbacks so there's a double check of what you're about to do before you actually do it. You don't rev up your engine before keying your mic to read back what you thought was a crossing instruction. You read it back first. This was complacency at its finest and it caused a runway incursion that luckily did not cause any actual danger.
@@YaroslavNechaev When you hear "hold short" or "traffic" in ANY sentence, you pay EXTRA attention to the message. And if you did not get what ATC did tell, you ASK for a clarification. You sure as hell do not simply assume what fits your plans best. And if you do, you put others in danger and you don't belong behind the stick.
i talk like that when I am wasted.
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So does he!
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HHR TWR: “9HU, I’m going to start my communication before the mic is on and condense each word into half of a syllable at 400 words per second and get mad at you when you don’t copy correctly. Do you copy?” 9HU: “Why does it always have to be snakes?” HHR TWR: “May the force be with you; call me.”
This is so normal, the controller actually speaks slower than some ATC I have encountered. You have to deal with it. As far as I am concerned the entire concerned communication was clear enough for Ford to understand not to cross that runway. Not only from "continue holding short" but also with "traffic on the runway". Traffic on the runway means don't go on the runway
Yea, this was entirely pilot error. If he was unclear, he should have asked the tower to repeat.
Now see, the line you should have copied was "Boring conversation anyway" and then he shoots the radio.
@@vaporized1000 You didn't hear it from his radio. You're hearing it from a recording.
A better phrasing on the controller's part would have been: "Hold short. Landing traffic." Noting ambiguous about that. "Continue" implies continuing the taxi. Since the landing traffic wasn't (apparently) told to go around, it doesn't sound like it would have been a big deal if it wasn't Harrison Ford.
You have a point there
Mike Chapman - I do not follow how "continue" implies continuing taxi. When the controller is ready for him move, he would not say "continue". i am sure you know that "continue", means, continue doing, what you were doing. nothing else, does not imply to taxi. This was an unfortunate case of the pilot not knowing the meaning of the terminology. You also may have heard, "continue approach", and you continued the approach to the runway.
We presume the landing traffic was on its rollout, How far from 9HU, who knows?. Phraseology used is correct, and the "traffic on the runway" was added as a descriptive note. This will probably be written up as a human error. The pilot, thought he heard, what he thought he was going to hear, and reacted, before understanding the instruction.
The controller said "can you hold short" not "continue holding short", and in any case, when a controller say "traffic on the runway" this is not the time to cross without clarification.
sonador777- You listen again, several times.
@@sonador777 : The controller spoke way too fast and slurred his words, and it _does_ sound like "Can you hold short", but if you adjust the playback speed and slow it down, I believe he does actually say "continue holding". Either way, it's obviously a request to hold, not to proceed forward.
No need for the controller to go back and tell him to continue holding short, he’s already doing it.....he’s heard what he thinks he’s going to hear next and that’s cross so he does
Harrison anticipated the instruction to cross the runway. The controller anticipated that Harrison would cross the runway anyway.
The reason why he restated the hold short instruction is because at 1:16 89HU told tower they are holding short at hotel. He was expecting a crossing instruction to be given at this time. Instead it was a continue to hold short. He misunderstood the controller and thus crossed the active. Fool
@@hayukeen1127 When you're in a small plane with an engine right infront of you and you've got someone mumbling something about Continue holding short then he probably heard continue correctly while the tower mumbled the rest. Don't throw insults around
J V -To prevent a possible crossing without approval, the controller added, "traffic on the runway". Bells, should have been tinging in the pilot's mind!
He was already holding short. There was no reason to tell him again. His next expected comms was to cross the runway. But his general responses tone and inflections trail off as if he's falling asleep in a conversation. Harry sounds labored and tired and aloof, not sharp and alert.
Ford called the tower again, so yes there was a reason to reply. Controller shouldn't have used the term "continue", but it is still on Ford.
Harrison in Air Force One: “Get off my plane!”
ATC: “Get off my runway!”
The best way to avoid is to be patient. He didn't have to report "holding short at Hotel". All he had to do was sit tight and wait for tower to call him. Because he prompted ATC, it created more confusion as to what instruction that could have be given; if he didnt prompt, ATC would most likely only call him when it was clear to cross
I myself have been guilty of saying too much, with things like "i'm holding short", "standing by", have since stopped doing all that after being told off by various instructors
dragonage200 - Good man!, We know you are there, anxious to get across, as soon as all is safe for you to move, we will get you going!
"I didn't know you could fly a plane"
"Fly? yes"
"Land? no"
By now he should have a number for the tower to copy...
By now I would expect him to have his own direct line!
"Traffic on the runway" sounded like "crossing on the runway" to me. New controller, talking way too fast and unclear, mixed messages, not Ford's fault.
exactly
What part of hold short did we miss?? Plus PIC should have been monitoring incoming to make sure he was clear to cross an active....
Sorry, while the controller certainly could have been more clear, Ford missed repeated points that would have clarified what he needed to do. Instead, he heard "Continue" and gunned it.
@@TheOwenMajor I don't see where those repeated points are to be honest, this whole instruction was non-standard and at best ambiguous if part of it is muffled by static or is spoken too fast. It's fine, people are mishearing instructions all the time, even the standard ones, that is why we read back everything.
@@whatyoudontknow6829 well, he did, he thought ATC has cleared him to cross.
I have a baaaad feeling about this...
ATC: Get across that runway now!!!! HF: No time to discuss this in a comittee!
"Continue hold short."
I see this often, ambiguous statements that lead to at best near misses, but sometimes not.
Choose your words carefully.
he then said Traffic on the runway!
@@10Exahertz It was so poorly enunciated, it sounded like garbage. I'm astounded there aren't more policies regarding the manner in which controllers should be required to dictate unambiguously and with clear diction. But this human degradation isn't a new fad. Schools stopped teaching kids how to read, how to write... Now nobody can even speak without slurring. It's disgusting.
“Continue holding short” is not ambiguous at all
@@davidmb3376 No, it's definitely ambiguous.
Firstly the tower can't know if English is a pilots first language, so being clear in exactly what you mean is a must, the wording in this case is open to interpretation, the spoken word has no punctuation... secondly it's said over the radio, which often isn't clear.
All he had to do was say "Continue TO hold short" and it would not be ambiguous, but you could misinterpret "Continue hold short" to mean who ever is holding short can now continue.
What’s next: Carrie Underwood sighted singing on 9L
She could do that, actually. BNA has 2R/20L shut down right now.
Why does he sound like he's almost dead??? If my pilot sounded like that, I'd be off the dang plane.
Probably some to type of psychotropic medication.
I assume you saw the old video? I don't know how he was able to continue flying after that. He sounded drunk.
Ford is a proud marijuana user and promoter . This is the result.
he's 77 years old, did you want him to sound like a young man?
@@hondah35 Thank You
"Hold short" doesn't mean grasp your panties! JEEZ! Harry's a good actor, but he needs help as a pilot.
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I think it's time for Harrison to give it up. There's a time in life when everyone will have to give up something they love to do as all of us age. It's just a fact of life.
+1
He sounded kind of weak my guess FAA send him for a medical I bet he is on basic medical.
@@Mike-01234 yeah he's old. i wonder how the next indiana jones movie is gonna turn out
@@goodluck6948 : In the next Indiana Jones movie, Harrison Ford will play the 2,000-year-old mummy.
I just commented on his last video: he's too old to fly. Almost 80. Ran off a runway in Nevada, crashed a helicopter in a dry riverbed, crash landed his plane on a golf course, nearly hit an airbus then landed on a taxiway, NOW crosses a runway with active traffic after repeatedly being told not to. His Star Wars character should be renamed Han Senile.
I like the guy just fine as an actor, but this is starting to get ridiculous. Any other GA pilot of his age and pilot deviation history would have been politely but firmly grounded by now. They don't even let you drive a bus over the age of 75, but apparently they'll let a celebrity fly a plane until he drops dead in the cockpit one day?
He was told once and it was very fast so I wouldn’t blame him for it, the ATC was speaking abnormally fast during that vital part.
@@jerricklittle3306 More specifically, there's a chance that the radio didn't pick up the in between as in; "Continue holding short of Runaway 25" to "Continue [..noise..] runaway 25". The point of contention here being that Ford came to a stop and only crossed after hearing the command from ATC and read back what he heard while following it. That's not to say it wasn't for sure Ford's error but there's a good chance that the phraseology and interference/noise here caused some issue.
@@jerricklittle3306 You "don't blame him" because he's a famous celebrity and you don't want to see him get in trouble. If it was 78 year old Elmer Schmuck making that mistake, I bet you $1000 you'd be wanting his license.
Ford sounds like he is in a nursing home not a pilots seat.
TABRAO - Yes, he does sound very tired, as if the sky just fell down on his shoulders!
@@rubenvillanueva8635 : *Old* and tired. :-\
I met the man in Driggs flying a beautiful Beaver. He does have skills and I'd fly with him any day.
@@barryb83110 It's not his flying that sends chills down people's spine, it's his landings and ground operations!
He sounds like he didn't landed, but is stil "high" up in the sky... If you know what I mean...
I can somewhat see the argument that the controllers "continue to hold short " instructions were a bit vague but that doesn't excuse HF from seeing the big picture. When a guy calls inbound for landing on the runway you plan to cross. That's a clue to be super hesads up. That said, I don't think anything will come of this. A lot worse things happen everyday, the only reason we are hearing about this is because HF is involved.
PedroPatsf EXACTLY!
"Maintain hold short" is bad English but a clearer instruction.
To be fair, I’ve never heard the call ‘Continue to hold short’, it does seem ambiguous
Flashing Lights Against the Sky not saying Han didn’t screw up big time. Just that where I’m from, a ‘Hold Short’ isn’t usually followed up by a ‘Continue to Hold Short’. But yes, at the end of the day, you must listen to the controller
What is ambiguous about “continue (action)?” It’s used constantly!
Mr Roque Wrong. It is never used that way. That’s incorrect English.
To continue means to keep doing what you were doing. “Continue” does not mean “proceed” or “go.”
Mr Roque - No. To have the aircraft cross a runway, phraseology used is, "2MA, cross runway 25 at Hotel" That probably would have been said to Ford.
Not, continue across,etc. Controllers phraseology is correct.
"You ready to copy the phone number to call the tower?"
"I got it on speed dial"
Man what a terrible feeling. I feel for him and everyone else that hears that radio traffic when they thought they were doing the right thing. Fortunately I haven’t had it, but ain’t gonna judge those who have, just try to learn from it all.
My first impression: Harrison Ford misheard the completely unneccessary additional instruction from ATC.
@Mr Roque while it is kinda funny for us not being in that situation, the additional instruction from ATC was almost certainly unnecessary, not to mention it sounds like a separate Air traffic controller giving the additional instruction which is always bound to cause issues
@Mr Roque Not really, sometimes, too much information in the moment is just that. And Harrison ford isn't the only one that has ever don this, he's just the one we hear about. (Although I do admit, after the taxiway landing, I was starting to question his abilities.)
It is completely normal to add information such as "traffic on the runway" while giving clearances. It helps with situational awareness as the pilot now understands why he has to hold short, and can add the information to his mental picture. However, I do agree the "continue holding short" part was mumbled. He should not have said "continue" in my opinion.
@@MickiSel I think if continue had been left out, it would have been a non-issue. Conflicting descriptors are not helpful, the radio is always crackeling with other traffic, it doesn't help. Harrison should have asked for clarification though. (Unless he thought he heard the proper words...)
Mr Roque pretty sure it was a 737 not a 767
As a casual observer - Is it common for a private pilot to have as many issues as he has had in recent years? Is it just that he's attracting publicity because of who he is or does he need to go back to school?
The tower said continue.
@@Bryan-Hensley the tower said "continue holding short". It's pretty common phraseology. They won't say "continue crossing the runway" they'll either say "continue holding short" like they did, or they'll says "cross runway xx".
No it's not common. The only reason he keeps getting a pass is because he's Harrison Ford. If it were anyone else his license would have been suspended after he flew over the airliner and landed on a taxiway.
@@anaik1 why was it necessary to instruct HF to continue doing what he was already doing?
Before the incident back in 2017, he had a clean record. This was his second, and he was nearly 80 at the time of this incident. It is certainly more likely to occur at that age, which is why a lot of pilots hang up their wings at retirement age, but he has decided to continue to fly. I don't know if he is still flying, but as a pilot, I can understand how hard it would be to give up even at that age if you love it
Sound very much like "continue onto runway 25" to me
No it doesn't. You need your hearing checked too
Joensuu Go back to GTA!, you are making a fool of yourself!
IDK, obviously Ford should have clarified the controllers instructions, but the controller said 'continue', and mentioned the holding short part real quick. The next expected thing for the controller to say would have been 'continue taxi', so its an easy mix up. Controller needs to slow down and be more clear with his instructions if you ask me. But it comes down to that Harrison probably should have asked for clarification if he didn't clearly understand the instructions.
I agree continue would be confusing. I can't recall getting a continue to hold, I've only gotten "standby traffic on final / runway etc" but never continue unless I'm coming in for landing or actively taxiing.
Damn he sounds old as eff and kind of out of it.
78 years old. Too old to drive a bus legally.
Being mortified can add a decade or two to your voice. Then again, he's about Joe Biden's age, isn't he?
My guess he’s trying to muffle his voice so to not sound like Harrison Ford the movie star.
That's what I was thinking. He should probably retire his wings before he kills someone.
@@hermanrobak1285 Yup, only 5 years older than our current president, seems fine to me.
Damn, hes had a few oopsies whilst flying 😖
Mac M. You think if this was anyone else we would get this video? No! This video was madd only because it was him.
@@Android-ng1wn yes i do agree but this is the 3rd or 4th incident he has had
Him again? He must have his own inspector. 😂
"Special prosecutor" from the FFA rofl
@VASAviaton I have to say that the word "Continue" should NEVER be used with any sort of "stay put" intention. If the controller wanted to reiterate, they should've just repeated "Hold Short."
Anyone know what kind of headset Indy uses? If he's not using ANR, the continue hold short instruction did sound a bit garbled.
robbswiatekfilms -Just a short between the headsets!