Yardage Gaps - Custom Fitting Each Iron and Wedge
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txg.ca - A complete yardage gapping session with Matt for his new irons, wedges and driving iron. We looked at each individual club and adjusted loft and lie angles to deliver optimum yardages and dispersion. See the advantages of custom fitting each individual club and how it can help you improve your consistency on the golf course!
Filmed at: Tour Experience Golf
Custom Golf Club Fitting Studio - Toronto, Canada
Featuring: Ian Fraser & Matt Blois
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Gapping is by far the one thing I see overlooked in everyone's bags. My frustration with lofts and lie being wrong led me down the road of owning my own bending bar and machine. I wish more fitters in my area offered a gapping session like this.
Great editing on this video. It was the perfect amount of seeing Matt hit his clubs and discussion on what need to be changed.
You guys are amazing. Found you a month ago and can’t get enough.
Hey guys love your video's. I think there are some of us would love to actually see how you change lofts and checking lies with the machine.
I think for golfers a in small market can only dream of this kind of a fitting experience. But it is wonderfully insightful. Keep up your great programs.
Great gapping video. Always informative.
I was "fitted" last week... after watching you work with Matt in a few videos, I might see a trip to Canada in my future.
Great work, and progress Matt.
Gentlemen, multiple thanks for using this platform to share your knowledge. It is possible, TXG is the ONLY place to be fitted at!!!
Fantastic as always guys. Should have watched this earlier. Think this would be an amazing exercise for me to do.
Fabulous video , great info and I love Matt's golf swing
Great to see Matt with Srixon! Always thought it would be a great fit for him!
spot on my 4 and 5 went basically the same distance so i dropped the 4 and put in a hybrid. didn't even consider strengthening lofts. But I had the same thing happen in gapping as Matt, I had a 20 yard gap between my 9 and 8 iron in the Z545. Another interesting thing that showed up was my 50 and 54 basically being the same so my 54 is now 57. So i go ping glide 2.0 50/57 and callaway mack daddy 59 degree. I have never played better golf than i am now and i have this channel to thank!
Great vid gents, Ian looking forward to our session next week
Fun to watch as usual!
I'm jealous... I wish I could get a session like this. I'm a newbie to golf and thought that each irons suppose to have 10-15 yards different. My 4 and 5 goes almost the same, 7 and 8 have 20 yards different and so I have been trying to fix my swing the past few weeks... damn it.
Thanks for the great video as always.
I like the idea of individual iron gapping, I asked my local big chain store to do something similar bc I am 2* flat in all my irons but feel my lower irons shouldn’t be as flat, and they told me I could pay for a custom fit again but they only do 7 iron. This video was great. Wish you guys were closer to where I live.
This could be the most important video you have made so far. Sooo many crucial points covered here. I've always battled a tendency to deliver a high handle (toe down). Got a new sand wedge recently and an elite local coach (who coaches Cameron Smith) advised we keep the lie angle fairly standard and instead work on technique to get the dynamic lie neutral. It's the classic balance between "fitting for swing faults vs fixing swing faults", which I think would be a great video for Ian to cover.
I use Z-745 irons and have noticed similar yardage gap problems. I hit the short-mid irons a very long way (8 iron carries about 172). I find the gaps are bigger between the short-mid irons than the long irons- I'd rather them be equal or slightly the other way around. The gap between PW (46*) and GW (51*) is close to 25 yards. Perhaps an effect of going from blade-style GW to muscle cavity PW. The key decision when tweaking yardage gaps is whether you weaken one club or strengthen the other, and how that affects the flow of the set all the way from driver to highest wedge... Which itself hinges on the loft of your highest wedge. It's a fun puzzle to solve and something Ian could cover in even more detail down the track.
New subscriber, Loving the content!!!
I have just been fitted in the z585s and am going to be gapping during more testing in the upcoming weeks. Can't wait for one of your great reviews on the z585s!
Thanks guys, another great video :)
ABSOLUTELY AWESOME VIDEO
It would be cool to see a little behind the scenes on a vid like this. Take us through the process a little bit more, show Ian working on the clubs for example. You guys are entertaining and gregarious enough to make it interesting.
Great vid guys, very informative.
I was fitted last year.... improved scoring from high 80s low 90s to high 70s low 80s with a best scores of 4 over par...Driver avg was 230 now 270s... my fitter said take the new clubs out for a full year get as comfortable as I can then come back for a gap test and we will tweak my set as needed... worked on swing with instructor which I have done and my game is miles from what it was..2-3 years ago...now it’s time to Gap my set and am excited to see where my game will go from here...
Great gapping video.
Thanks a lot
Fantastic stuff!
Great video guys 👍👍👍
Great vlog lads
Matt's shirt is crazy
Being an amateur sometimes we just want to hit the golf ball longer. Thanks for the reminder about gap distances between irons
What a great video & very informative keep up the good work 👍🏌️
Great video lads 👍
Love your channel you guys are excellant
Matt seems so so consistent and down the middle all the time. Are you like this all the time on the course. The way he hits a ball is unreal. Distance wise its tour like.
Is Matt a pro and does he play plenty comps. Or is he just a fantastic amature golfer of + something.
Wish I had his tempo instead of my quick tempo. Because that brings all its own problems I thing.
All the videos have been great guys. Loving them.
Love the look of the new srixon gear as well. Might be a change coming from TM to srixon.
So now it's going to be 2 trips to Canada? Seriously, guys...great video.
G'Day Fellas, nice work !....... All Good !
Ha Matt... we have the same weird tendency in our wedges.. i'm also more upright in my wedges... which always puzzled me since all I have ever read is most people are more flat in wedges... glad to know i'm not the only one!
Excellent!!
Such a shame that your all the way over the pond or I'd be coming to you for my custom fitting. Super inciteful video chaps. New sub too! Cheers
I feel like I deloft more with the short irons and I'm more of a sweeper with the longer irons. I'd be interested to see what my dynamic loft is throughout the set. Great video!
An after-purchase gapping session gives you so much confidence that the specs for EACH club are dialed in for YOU.
Fine tuning is great when you have a minimul level of consistency like Matt... Out of 10 customers, how many of them are consisten enough for such a fine tuning ? Great video again.
Great vid as always guys. Is this something you'd do after a few rounds or should it be done when picking up the clubs after you've built them?
You should do a yardage gap with cobras single length while also doing a what’s in the bag for Bryson since he is killing it.
Ian's comment makes totally sense with my case regarding wedge lie angle tending to be flatter.
I noticed that irons over draw, I observe the amount of this increase with shorter irons. It must be that my swings have changed and I hit my irons more solidly.
What are the typical lie angle adjustment value relative to say 6 irons - eg. When 6 irons sre zero, 7 iron 0.25, 8 irons 0.5 deg, 9 iron 0.75, pitching wedge 1 deg etc, does it tend to work like this?
I am sure checking with GC quad etc is the way to go but unfortunately I do not have an access to a good fitter around.
Thank you.
On Dave Tutelman's site there are his excellent insights on what he calls "gap drooping", ie the tendency for yardage gaps to get smaller in the longer clubs. Few players can generate the speed to realize the distance gaps between a modern 4 and 5 iron. Matt here has tonnes of speed so you can strengthen his 4 iron to say 20 degrees and he can still launch it. Another factor is the diminished quality of strike as the club gets longer. Even with theoretically perfectly gapped lofts, the average player will have an overlap with the longer irons due to inconsistent striking.
Absolutely, which is where driving iron style clubs and hybrids can be very beneficial in adding consistency and creating usable gaps.
I swing at 85 mph with the six iron, and have found I got my best gapping by going power loft spec i210 in 5 iron, standard in 6 and retro in 7 to wedge. The other benefit is that the retro loft wedge means with an additional 52 and 58 I am covered. I also carry a 17 degree four wood. So don't carry a 3 and 5......
Do you guys have a preference on doing this indoors or outdoors? I am looking at retooling this year, but have been lost yardage wise per club ever since I went to regular shafts. I am keeping an open mind to 4 woods, 7 woods or whatever benefits me the most. Love your guys content. Keep up the good work!
I always remember a magazine interview with Peter Hanson and all he wanted was 12 yard gaps between irons and wedges lofts didn't mean much to him it's always stuck with me but very few fitters could get you as dialled in as that where we are.
How did you end up choosing Apex CF16 for driving iron? Do you see something in it over the other options? What is the loft on that one? I have a set of those until 4 iron but went with a King 3 utility black since Apex has quite a bit of offset.
Great video as always! I am curious about the type of clubs suitable for gapping. Not every thing out there is forged. How much can a non-forged club be bent? Will it hold that shape as well as its manufactured angles?
Is there an ideal gapping pattern? Matt's range seems to be 11-16 yds (using carry), Sean Clements' was 11-13 yds. Why not sub 10 yards in the wedges progressing to larger gaps in long irons?
Do you use maximum effort or swing speed for gapping calibration or something less than max (maybe 80%)? Over 100 swings at maximum effort might be a bit much for some (not for Matt of course!). A round of golf at par will only have about 22 iron and 14 driver shots.
Finally, would you suggest gap testing with 3/4 and 1/2 swings thru a set of irons?
Thank you for sharing this invaluable information and expertise on this platform.
Jeez. Can I come be “Matt” and do this with my bag? Wow. I can’t imagine how my bag needs adjusting...
Can you recommend anywhere near London in uk to do lofts and lie check.
Ian, I am going for a gapping session tomorrow with the pro at my club and I was wondering how many swings with each club would you recommend? And what is the tolerance between each club in yards? Thanks Paddy
Great video! I currently have a 50* gap wedge as part of my Mizuno JPX 800 pro set combined with 54* and 58* Cleveland RTX3 wedges. My issue is, the 50* goes about 110-115 yards but I can only get about 90-95 yards out of my 54*. Any suggestions on how to fill that gap a little better?
Two options: either try strengthening the 54º a degree or so, or look at a wedge design like the Ping Glide 2.0 which tends to produce a bit more ball speed.
Just started watching the video AND 3 min into the video ... love it...
Questions: are you using Matt's ball or TXG studio as these differ?
Should you nake sure to bring the ball you play when you come to tweek your clubs? There may be an issue with the ball as you have mentioned earler...
Yup using the Srixon Z-star XV that Matt uses, we definitely recommend doing the yardage gap session with your chosen ball.
You mentioned early on in the video about having forged clubs checked for lie and loft, I have MP 25's would you recommend I have the lie and lofts checked to ensure they are the same as the day I bought them.
Absolutely
It would be nice to see Matt vs FSX Golf skills challenge with the new irons.
How many shots do you usually look at to generate the data?
Do you have a benchmark number for short/long shots that you discount from an average strike? If so does that figure change depending on the level of golfer and their own consistency?
I watch quite a bit of different reviews from different sources and am quite new to yourselves but very impressed so far with the explanations you put across in an easy to understand manner. Top work gents.
One last thing, any chance of a UK fitting tour????????
Usually about 60-80 shots total during a session. Bad mishits or largely uncharacteristic shots will be disabled in the data so as not to skew the results in a direction that isn't representative of that player's shot pattern. We're hoping to do a UK some time visit next year!
Where did you land with the loft angles? I am having same issue with my clubs, and tend to think modern set standard lofts are poorly set, with large gaps at the bottom, tight gaps up top. I don't need so much horsepower at the long end, prefer more options middle->down
Great job guys. I have been playing with a Zevo Compressor Driver 8 Degree loft for well over 17+ years. I have yet not made the move to the newest club yet after this video I just might. Would you guys care to test my current driver? Cheers :D
What can I do with a large gap between my hot iron set 45* PW and my 50* wedge.
Please open a location in the US. Texas would be great.
this is something i instantly wanted to get done since seeing that you offer this service but also wanted to get a ball fitting, what do you recommend first
?
Likely the ball fitting as it will have an impact on launch angle and how much the ball spins, which in turn can affect yardages.
Must have missed it what happened to the miura blades?
I've noticed Matt in this and other videos where his backswing has the shaft almost vertical(and sometimes just past vertical) and in some where he makes a fuller backswing where the club gets more parallel. Is this affecting his swing plane so it's more vertical on the downswing? I heard that's he's been working on his swing, but if he's making different length backswings, will it affect his gapping and lie angles? Your videos contain so much info. Great job.
My coach made me do a drill ~ no wrist cock backswing ~ it stops timing issues when you are changing your swing ~ it also makes you very straight~ although you lose a bit of pop on strike. Matts swing with irons looks similar.
how much did you have to change the 8iron to dial it back a bit ?
Love the videos fellas!
Question, how do you decide your gapping between your 4i for example and 3W. i have a large gap between the 2 and wondering if I should A. error on the larger club (3h hybrid for me) or B. go with something more consistent and a hair shorter (2i) or C. get a 4W? My gap between my 3W and 4i is ~40-50 yards. Maybe the answer is, don't have a 3W but then I get a gapping problem with my driver.
Thoughts on how to approach this? go with the longer, not as confident club (3H, 230+ carry) or my more confident and consistent club (2i, 220 carry).
oh and if the answer is, depends on what you use them for. I'll typically use them off the tee. Short par 4s that I don't want to be at a odd distance and tight fairways. My 2i stays on the course better where my 3H can go up to 240 and even 250 sometimes.
If only this type of session was available everywhere.... Went to a fit centre saying that i wanted to check my gapping but i could not hit all my clubs because the fitter wanted to sell me taylormade product.
All i got was lie and loft checked and had to pay separatlt for that.....
Hey Ian. Great video. I have a quick question. My 4 and 5 iron are really close to my 6 iron. If I wanted to spread them out a bit more. How many yards per degree is average when trying to gap my irons. I need only 5 yards per iron. Thanks
Probably a degree or 1.5 max would do the trick
Thanks 👍
Great video as always. Surprised to see Matt didn't stick with the miura x7 setup. I'm curious as to why he switched to srixon? also seems the change in shaft is significant too. Where the x7 just too much day to day? Cheers
Yup just as Jake said above
Good to know that one needs to revisit ones set and even sometime temporarily tweak things like you suggested for Matt on the lie issue. As txg do you charge for follow up session? I ask only that one of the relatively ok fitters I have used provide one or even two one hour free follow up sessions over a period of 12-18 months post fitting as a clubs check cum review session or two. Clearly Matt being tall and much much younger (and wi5 a better swing) he is getting distances much longer than I am able to though working on my swing and flexibility and strength to bump mine up (and slowly beginning to make a difference). Two things to add. First that as a result clear that I need to revisit the gapping issue. But what I had not appreciated enough is that there might be club tweaks that may be necessary, including lie (as all my irons are also 2 flat and I do find that the high wedges -54,60 are not giving me the distance relative to my srixon iron set up to PW and the RTX 3 gap (50) wedge). Fortunately on my adjustable hybrids I have been able to achieve some of that because of the adjustability feature on them. Using something like swing caddie on the range which I do regularly (and recommend to others) is really helpful to identify some of these issues.
We offer the follow up session included with the club purchase so customers can come back and see us to make any necessary tweaks to the setup.
Hi guys, again, another great informative video!! Just a lighter question; didn't Matt get fit with Miura's???? Or did I miss something?
I think I remember Ian saying Miura discontinued the left handed offering that Matt was fitted for...hence the switch to the Srixons.
I always have problems choosing the right shaft for my pitching wedge. Now I am using soft-stepped x100 for my irons and s400 for my 50, 56, 60 Vokeys. My pitching wedge is 46 Vokey. Any suggestions would be appreciated. Straight-in x100, soft-stepped x100 or just s400?
Would match the 46º shaft to the rest of the irons.
TXG Tour Experience Golf Do you mean soft-stepped x100, same as 9 iron shaft (37.5 inch)?
soft stepped x100 at PW length
Thank you very much. You guys are the best in terms of golf equipments on the youtube.
hey guys another amazing video. In your experience in fitting have u ever had to tweak on lofts more than 4 degrees up or down. i play the mizuno mp 64 2 degree weaker on mizuno standard. Pw48, 6iron 32, 4iron 24. My set starts at 10 degree driver, 15 degree 3 wood, 16 degree & 20 degree driving irons, 4-9 mp 64 irons, 48 pw , 52 gw &56 sw. i recently saw a video on tiger woods talking about his spec, i heard him saying he still plays same lofts as when he came on to tour, his PW is 50 degrees. what your thoughts on i guess the old skool lofts. vs new skool lofts. cheers
Just depends on what suits the individual player, would be very unlikely to need to adjust loft an any iron more than a degree or two during a gapping session
Anyone reading this recommend a good place in Northern California to do something similar?
Great video, so important and so overlooked by most of us :-)
Question: Not sure if you have addressed this yet, I certainly come across lots of comments on YT and in forums where people say their driver loses "pop" over the years.
Is this really a thing or do new drivers just FEEL "hotter" and better? Thanks.
Drivers from 5 years ago go the same distance as current market drivers. So that pretty much answers that question.
Yeah the COR is the same but to be more specific:
Does the face wear out on old or heavily used drivers?
@@3rdgroove late to the party on this reply, but drivers absolutely lose pop and distance as they get hit repeatedly. I had a Ping i20 that I played for 6 years and noticed I lost about 25 yards last year out of nowhere. The face on the driver had flattened. Most drivers have "bulge and roll" on the face, so the face actually bends outward slightly. Over time that "bulge" can flatten out, causing the driver to lose distance. Got fitted into a Mizuno ST190 and my distance came right back. Actually gained a few yards.
@@benreno4414 Oh thanks. So it was a sudden drop for you. I guess a creeping decline would be a horror to me because I'd blame myself. LOL
I still have a trusty Titleist 905T with a green Aldila shaft - I haven't found a better combo yet to justify buying something new.
So I guess it's true and it can happen but I still would want to hear it from the horse's mouth i.e. Ian ;-)
@@3rdgroove I had noticed slight drops over time, but usually attributed them to poor strikes. I really took notice when I felt like I made a good swing, but the strike felt awful and the distance wasn't there. If your driver hasn't had that flattening of the face, there's a very good chance you'll still see plenty of performance out of it. I only make changes to my equipment when there's a dramatic difference in results. Huge proponent of keeping equipment in the bag if it performs. No sense in paying for newer equipment simply because it's shiny haha.
How much does a 1 degree change affect distance and spin?
In your estimation, how long after getting fitted with new irons would you want to come back and do a gap session? When you notice something weird or after a certain amount of rounds with them? Thanks for the video, something I had not really thought about before.
Usually when the irons arrive, or after a round or two is the ideal time
TXG Tour Experience Golf Thanks
If only you were closer to Ohio for me to go there for the gap test that I’m having next week.
Started copying Matt's no wrist break, high hands at the top...WOW!!!
No wonder he hits it so far.
I'm curious... Matt's 7i seemed to actually flight lower than his 5i from the graph at 12:48. Any insight here Ian? Great vid as always.
Just the average of the shots we used in this particular test, probably not 100% representative of the normal peak height on the 7 iron
Matty is a player (or is it Ian's superior club fitting)
UA-cam excellence guys 👍 Ian didn’t you fit Matty into Miura blades. ".?
They stopped making them in LH unfortunately!
Why didn’t you also test his fairway wood, both off the deck and off a tee, and the driving iron off a tee? Also, do you guys do putter fittings too? I’d be curious to see what Matt is putting with and how you fit him for that. Putter fittings get overlooked a lot - I know it’s not as sexy as driver reviews, but tour players spend a lot of time focused on getting that club just right. TXG would do the same it seems
Putter fitting here ua-cam.com/video/XZdz81lXcwU/v-deo.html
Thought Matt was hitting Miura irons. ?
Hi guys,
What is the source of Matt's swing speed? Is he tall (like Bubba?), With a similar frame? So smooth and efficient
Definitely not that tall, just under 6ft. Combination of width and turn give me a bit more speed.
Matt's swing looking far more stable and controlled.
Thanks Bob!
What degree is Matt's driving iron?
19º
I am a 12 year old boy turning 13 next month. I am 5 foot 5 inches tall and a 17.5 handicapper. I would like to get custom fitted for my birthday but can’t afford buying new clubs. Can I get custom fit and then buy used clubs that fit my specs
I assume Matt was testing with the ball he uses on the course. If he were to change his gamer would it be a good idea to go back in and check everything again?
Yup we were using the Srixon Z-star XV that Matt uses on course
What’s your driving iron Matt?
www.callawaygolf.com/golf-clubs/iron-sets/irons-2018-x-forged-utility.html - with the Accra TourZ Hybrid M5 shaft
Where can I find someone as good as you in London
How about Dallas?
Don't do anything to Matt's PW, just gently place back in his bag......LOL
Oh man I thought Matt got Muiras
They stopped making the LH model unfortunately!
Oh gotcha ok
Ian you better be careful dialing Matty in too much or you'll lose him to the Mackenzie Tour
Matty trying to swing his hardest which isn't the case when your out on a course ,he should swing more realistic ,more gaming
A small recommendation as a regular viewer of your videos.
Your videos sometimes get too long. Unless the discussion is really interesting, someone will watch over 10 mins of the session. Maybe you can try to jazz up the discussion or shorten the video length to get more people to watch and stick to the videos.
Thats just my opinion, maybe others love long videos.
Anurag Sharma perhaps you’re not a regular viewer Anurag but our videos are normally around 15minutes. Our fitting video’s go longer because of the complexity of the subject. Like with any content though there will always be some people who enjoy it more than others. We are very conscious of mixing it up so we cater to all viewers. Appreciate the feedback though.
@@ianfraser3194 that's what I am saying. Try a few videos under 10 and see the magic. It's just my opinion,