In the pursuit of money, the WSL has catered to Brazil....they are over-represented on tour. As such, Brazilians feel entitled to win every event and world title and complain when they don't. Perhaps they just need to go start their own tour.
Cloudbreak, Grajagan, anywhere in north Chile, Pipeline as the last event....thing is WSL is not developing the sport , its only selling t shirts and shorts
@@sea2959 Balance is needed and so very hard to achieve. Without the money locations , the surfers would not be getting paid as well, and all the online coverage does cost. However, if they ever start to charge money to watch the CT. Im Done. Also getting a 10 gets you get a cooler?? I won a cooler at a 13 and under ESA comp. At one point they got 10,000$ I just wanna see more solid rippable waves .. thats why cloudbreak was so epic big barreling and shreddable as well.
It has literally been insane, what happened on the surf ranch was one thing, but it seems that our people are complaining about every score now. It shames our country.
Individually Brazilians are ok ,,, that said, they have the worst pack mentality I’ve seen anywhere. They need to grow up and realize the universe doesn’t revolve around Brazil. There’s more to life than the ‘gang’. Grownups understand that. Hopefully Brazilians will grow up sooner as opposed to later. Everyone else has.
Surfing was the only sport that I watched. The way Italo was scored in that last contest compared to Griffin was just straight corruption. It’s not the surfers fault, but the judges and the WSL management. I can’t support or watch them anymore as a result of it. It’s just wrong.
I totally agree with you Italo one that hands down thank you for saying so so I didn't have to much Aloha to you brother hope you are doing well and another thing you remember what happened to Lori Towner what a shame!
No way Italo beat Griff. Italo played it safe, Italo did the same thing the judges saw him do all week. They were not going to give it to him. Italo had a chance to go AIr to go Big Air and Crush Griff. He took the Save route. Its a wave POOL!!! Italo Tried to do a Big Air 3 times the whole week and did not hit it. You needed to watch the whole Comp not just the Finals. Italo could have beaten Griff on the Second wave. He Blew it and Lost.
WSL is a joke. Despite great surfers, it has become impossible to watch- generally terrible surf conditions; annoying, sycophantic blather from "commentators; and judging that is, at best, biased, opaque and inscrutable.
I'm not close to surfing anymore but watching the last few WSL contests, I agree the judging has been poor and biased against Brazilian surfers especially Italo and Gabrial. This obvious dishonest judging has really turned me off the WSL.
What? You must not have watched Surfing in the Last 7 years. The Brazilians way over claim and their fans way over claim. And the Judges way over score. For what ever reasons. Number One Reason is trying to Grow the Sport in Brazil. MONEY.
The last 3 world champions were brazilian most of the events last year were won by brazilian and there are more brazilian in the WSL then any other country. I am not saying that misscoring did not happen, but if you look at the tour is dominated by Brazil, if there was a conspiracy to stop them they wouldnt even get through the QS. Plus at the end of the year the World Champ is probably going to be Brazilian anyway and the final five will have probably 3 of them, I dont know here people are seeing the corruption...
Get rid of the wave pool, the mid season cut and end of season surf off. Oh and Kelly please quit, the WSL should have given the wild card to Ramzi who battled for many years to make the CT, got injured and did not surf a heat. Not really sure what Kelly is trying to prove, sure he can win Pipe and Chopes but the rest not even going to get close.
Ooohh that's so true. I'll watch Kelly's doggy door barrels from the yesteryears all day. The same ol' 360 and frontside slash's in a contest now. Ehhhh....
Kelly is Still ripping it up everybody in the World wants to see him surf btw. . Give Wild Cards to Who? Gird it out on the Challenger Series. Ya no reason for the mid Cut.
Why is Erik Logan there in the first place? He’s from Oklahoma and worked in Hollywood with Oprah. Seems like a bad hire. WSL does not need to go Hollywood.
used to love watching the pro contests, when the new regime came init started to go downhill, when the changed the format, it was over for me. stupidest decision ever... this is what you get when non surfers run professional surfing... lets get the bobby martinez rebel tour going! gotta win in hawaii to win the title!
From a neutral perspective, watching the WSL every event, I have noticed that if there is a Brazilian and another opponent competing in a heat together against each other. If there is a tough decision, the decision will always go to the Brazilian 9 times out of 10 and they will take a long time to come up with a score, and then they will make the score so close that the Brazilian just barely beat the other opponent, it would appear that the judging panel is biased with Brazilians in mind 🤷♂️ just an observation I went back and looked at a lot of past events just to make sure I wasn’t imagining it, but it is true
As much as that may be true, it represents a switch from the judge's decades long prejudice for Australians. It is I think purely the fact that they are intimidated by the large contingent and pack mentality of each...and that's not excusing the bias. BUT...the one thing above everything else the judges MUST do, is STOP holding scores for so long. The appearance is, and I'm of the "it's bias" opinion, is that they're SLOTTING the scores: they won't score one ride until they can see the next and adjust accordingly. NO OTHER scoring sport WOULD DREAM OF SUCH AN APPEARANCE OF CHEATING.
@@WayneLynch69by bias you mean Australians read and understood the criteria and surfed accordingly, not we surf our way and make the wsl change to suit us
There's no trans surfer that could even make it on the QS. I will beat the dogshit out of anyone harassing a trans person near me, but even I don't know how to go forward on the sports issue. But for now, it's a non-issue, unless the WSL keeps pushing who they want to win through heats. There's not one trans surfer who could go near QS level women's. That Australian longboarder sure couldn't.
It’s mind blowing seeing white men complain about Brazilians here, calling out Brazilians for complaining, while that’s the very thing you’re doing. And y’all can get angry all you want, but all you ever see is white men crying every time a Brazilian (or a non-white) surfer gets any kind of acknowledgement. Not to mention, basing off the comments here alone, racism is very much still alive. Perhaps the judges should just be replaced by AI then.
it doesn't matter, that is not the point, we are talking about fairness bro, the judgement has to be fair, just because brazzos are winnnin or not doesn't mean it's ok to be robbed
WSL these days run by a script, they decide who is the world champion no matter how better other surfers are. Unwatchable, it literally can be seen by the LIVE views, its pathetically low now.
Backside surfing has always been overscored. Some dude does the same turn 5 or 6 times its an 8 or 9 with 0 Variety While the guy tearing one up with lots of variety frontside gets maybe a 7 it's always been nonsense. The mid year cut breeds conflict and ruins the sport creating heightened anxiety and resentment among the surfers on tour. As well as sharing every event between two contests is a huge waste. You could have two great contests where most everyone gets the best window of waves but they split it between two full contests its dumb and adds to the above problems.
I hate to say it, I’m old enough to remember when there were no Brazilian competitors, back then nobody ever complained about the scoring. Results were just accepted, like good sportsmen do.
I'm sure you are not old enough or you would saw my father getting robbed against kalani rob in 2002 at us open. Or Paulo Moura getting punched by sunny garcia at pipe masters.
@@igorgouveia7623 If he wasn't your father, you would have clearly seen Kalani won that. Talk about bias jeesh, lol. Also back in 2002, the Hawaiians were punching everybody. Just happens Paulo got the bad luck of the draw that day. Never heard it had anything to do with his nationality.
@@igorgouveia7623that was Neco not Paulo moura. And your dad was really good. I don’t know that heat in particular but kalani is an amazing surfer who underperformed to his abilities competitively.
Brazilians are amazing surfers, but they are very bad at handling looses. They blame everyone else when they loose. It’s ridiculous how much they cry. Felip Toledo is the only one that doesn’t cry and has good sportsmanship .
I'm a big Griff Colopinto fan, but I was at the Surf Ranch contest and Italo killed it! So much so the in the highlight video WSL did not even include Italo's final wave. It was extraordinary! He should have won.
Yes I noticed that too and thought it was very telling. It was his title losing wave, why not show it if they have nothing to hide, if they think they made the right decision. Not Griff's fault but the fix was definitely in....
We are conscious of the subjective aspects that infuse judgments in professional surfing contests. While this subjectivity brings a certain dynamism and richness to the sport, it can also lead to disputes and disagreements. Thus, to provide a greater degree of objectivity, fairness, and most crucially, UNBIASED evaluations, it's crucial to strive for a greater degree of transparency, especially when judgments are questioned due to subjective interpretations. Promoting transparency isn't merely a goal, it's about implementing clear, definitive measures to elucidate the path of judgment, ensuring it is based on performance and not influenced by the surfer's nationality. By shedding light on these procedures, we foster a better understanding, trust, and appreciation within our surfing community. Furthermore, it's paramount that the W$L articulates a clear vision for the future of surfing. Will it be a nostalgic return to the aesthetic principles of the 80s, or are we charting a course towards pushing boundaries with groundbreaking maneuvers? Defining this vision will not only guide competitors but also stimulate the growth of the sport in the intended direction. Carl Sagan once said that extraordinary claims demand extraordinary evidence. In keeping with the spirit of Carl Sagan's principle, we need to ensure that our extraordinary claim of fairness and unbiased judgment in professional surfing is supported by extraordinary evidence of transparency and clarity. It's not just about safeguarding the integrity of the sport, but also about nurturing its future in a manner that harmoniously blends respect for tradition with a passion for innovation.
@@jbrd2959 Easy. Since you asked for evidence: "Italo’s 6.77 for a huge rotation going left (one of the best we’ve seen all year) was vastly underscored. You could not make that air more dynamic or land it cleaner. How far did he travel through the air? Ten feet? Fifteen? And he followed it with a seamless transition into a clean wrap that judges go weak at the knees for when Ewing does it. This scoring should be interrogated." "Ewing’s carving wraps are pretty, but they’re not risky enough. His 8.07 was scandalously over-scored [AGAIN AND AGAIN AND AGAIN!!!]. The tweak he puts at the end of his top turn flatters to deceive. There’s a twitch in his bottom turn that seems to be ignored because of pleasing arm placement." Source: Beach Grit MARGARET RIVER PRO UNLIKELY SITE OF SUDDEN, AND WILD, PROGRESSION IN SURFING, “DOES THE 2023 TOUR HAVE THE GREATEST DEPTH OF TALENT WE’VE EVER SEEN?”
In part, I agree . The surfers will obviously surf to what the judges are looking for . The real essence is to get rid of subjectivity . Red Bull Diving, each judge focuses on a seperate component of the execution . This is the answer .
He have the most perfect style. Amazing for the 80s and 90s. He could beat occy or curren, but today's surf is more than just style. In my opinion, He's worst version of JJF or Gabe.
Yep he's the epitomy of what surfing should be and look like. Smooth , legs are close together and in control. Just like a ballet dancer ,total control of his body.
@@drmarcosmancini no one surfed like that in the 80's 90's or even now, JJF can match him, but the lines he draws are ridicules , mind you griffin and Toledo know how it's done also.
Make a new Brazzo league and they would still complain about the judging. What nobody wants to really say is that style does play a part into the judging and none of these guys except Yago have it.
The last 4 world men's champs and the Olympic gold medalist are all Brazilian, with this year's number 1 also being from Brazil. Cry when you win, cry when you lose. Also, whoever thought it was a good idea to drop Cloubreak and add the surf ranch either doesn't surf or has their priorities all fked up.
Well the tour has lost its soul. May have dream locations but I’d rather watch Rasta, Machado, Kersy, Asher et al riding alternative equipment with style and grace. This is what the best surfers have in buckets 🤙
WSL was invented for the Corporations... The essence of surfing was lost... Boring at best.... Should reinvent and hold it only on the north shore over a winter....
The judges should start breaking down how there getting the scores where the points are actually coming from whether that’s the number of turns or critical maneuvers or a barrel ride. Just break it down.
All the professional surfers lost their souls, when they started surfing for money, not pure enjoyment. Same goes for those who don’t share the waves and think it’s a gladiator sport. Greed will always take you down into darkness.
While some sports are judged by a panel of judges, the judges themselves are obviously human and are subject to prejudice. That’s why the highest and lowest scores are thrown out. It still seems that Ausies have an edge in Australia, Brazilians in Brazil , Hawaiians in Hawaii etc. Like it or not subjective meets objective in every competition. All surfers on the pro tour have proven themselves to deserve to be there,,, any one of them are capable of winning their heat at any time. Sometimes the ocean doesn’t deliver when expected. Oh well. While I’m sometimes at odds with the judges I still enjoy the overall experience of watching the best in the world compete in real time all over the planet. I have to give WSL credit for their efforts to bring this to us in real time. That wasn’t possible not all that long ago. Don’t look a gift horse in the mouth ,,, relax, enjoy catch a wave !!! Don’t sweat the petty 😀🤙,,, death threats!!?!?really!?!?! Obviously mental illness has entered the arena 😳
The recent 9 fliepe got in the el salvador finals was way to high. It was a great wave but way overscored, 3 snaps Is not worthy of a 9. Judges need to fix there stuff.
Agreed!! But the 7,17 that they gave first to Griffin was way to high, and Filipe’s wave was much better!! I think that’s why Filipe got such high score.
I just cant watch it anymore. So many outstanding surfers with talented camera crews, with great sound tracks and the best waves in the world doing awe inspiing vlogs with soul and humility. Why would I?
Air comps died out over two decades ago because they were boring the wsl will suffer the same fate if they keep giving excellent scores for a one trick wave...
With the amount of camera footage and angles available now, everyone can judge for themselves. Social media has countless videos of every competition. Full replays are available at the press of a button.
Im not surprised about this at all. Have you ever surfed with Brazilians?? Well if you had you would not be surprised either hahaha, only takes one angry Brazilian to wreck a lineup, why not try and wrecks the WSL too.
History shows that Brazilians' have at numerous times been overscored to gain market share. If you want over 40's / 50's market share, then overscoring a single air over power, grace and flair isn't going to wash. Making death threats, well... maybe Brazil should be sanctioned until they can clean up their act. Remember that loser storming the tower... nice sportsmanship champ... where was he from? Maybe Brazil should have a breakaway tour... run by Brazilians', judged by Brazilians', for Brazilians' and paid for by Brazilians'.
The Brazilian surfers and fans know nothing about the spirit of surfing. Medina has won 3 titles, he's got nothing to whinge about, He is the Trump of surfing.
Just be consistent. Obviously judges will have their favourites, even the Brazilian ones, but some of the scores have been ridiculous. Some people get way too upset about other grown adults and let it ruin their day.
The WSL recently announced it would be adopting the International Surfing Association (ISA) policy on transgender participation, which requires trans-female athletes to maintain a testosterone level of less than five nmol/L for at least 12 months in order to compete in the women's division.Feb
The current format favors the top 5 ,surf ranch affects rankings for sure it's a judges event, nature and priority are taken out of the equation as well.
Surfing is different than other sports because it's fans surf. So, you can't fool us. We know who is shreding! Thus, when "the mystery judges" (who remain hidden and nameless) miss we know it.
What do you want? A sport with sportive behavior or competitions supported by commercial interests.I rather watch some expression sessions or freesurfers vid's. This also trickles down in behavior in the line-up where ever you are. In combination with overcrowding this makes the future look quiet dire. To bad.
Os brasileiros nao precisam da WSL. SOMOS OS MELHORES SURFISTAS DO MUNDO... QUE SE CRIE UMA LIGA FORTE COM OS BRASILEIROS ...SERIA O FIM DA WSL COMO EMPRESA
Whats with the wax intellectual comments these days. If youre gonna be smart about surfing, then acknowledge that its parameters for judging lack definition due to the nature of the sport. Its not like watching a football or basketball game and it never will be. On top of that, the ranch isnt even a wave compared to open ocean surfing as the water buoyancy is different and the movement of the water under the board is not like the ocean. Im not surprised at all that the judging for the ranch is exposing the long existing holes in judging. Nothing is new here except the fact that people think wave pools and open ocean surfing are the same. THEY ARE NOT and i will die on this hilltop.
The judges need to move on from the old skool days and get with the new program 🇦🇺 like if a surfer can get barrelled, switch foot hand downs, winner straight up.
Assuming all 5 judges different nationalities and then the top and bottom score dropped and the final score the medium of the middle 3. How can it be bias 🤔
Medina should just start another Tour with those who are not happy and use the new criteria. The WSL is just a business so go start another one with a slightly different name. Just look at boxing.
I totally understand how the most well known surfers (for good reason) keep the sport alive in media and money. But its what you do with the $ that is a problem; how you run the org. Saquarema crowd soccer hooliganism is lame and shouldn't be rationalized. That is not the spirit of surfing. Go woke go broke; says a lot. Also Medina's message isn't clear... is he pushing for more radical acro surfing? Seamless transitions sound good to me.
Competitive surfing is by its nature is lame. Only try hard spastic style is rewarded. Example: beating a section with a long floater is scored lower than throwing up a big hack and loosing the wave.
FACT: the WSL judging has a panel of judges being told what to score by one head official judge from his opinion and viewpoint. Nope, nothing wrong there SMH !!!!
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In the pursuit of money, the WSL has catered to Brazil....they are over-represented on tour. As such, Brazilians feel entitled to win every event and world title and complain when they don't. Perhaps they just need to go start their own tour.
All we need is CLOUD-BREAK back and boot the mid year cut.... Balance will return to the universe. . Still a good show !
cloyd break is good to Medina. Wsl needs A right chanpionship
And g land
Yet they won’t do it
Cloudbreak, Grajagan, anywhere in north Chile, Pipeline as the last event....thing is WSL is not developing the sport , its only selling t shirts and shorts
@@sea2959 Balance is needed and so very hard to achieve. Without the money locations , the surfers would not be getting paid as well, and all the online coverage does cost. However, if they ever start to charge money to watch the CT. Im Done. Also getting a 10 gets you get a cooler?? I won a cooler at a 13 and under ESA comp. At one point they got 10,000$ I just wanna see more solid rippable waves .. thats why cloudbreak was so epic big barreling and shreddable
as well.
Maybe Medina can also use his platform to address the absolute toxicity coming from many of the fans from Brazil
Surfing is like soccer for Brazil, methinks. So all the soccer hooligan behavior isnt really surprising. I think aussies are a close second.
It has literally been insane, what happened on the surf ranch was one thing, but it seems that our people are complaining about every score now. It shames our country.
@@foonatt interesting point
@@joaomanoelleite1768 yea it seems like they expect the scoring to always go one way by default or something
Easy to take on this just watch both waves at the same time. A high-risk / high-reward situation IMO.
why would they threaten Ethan Ewing? What did he have to do with the judging? So are they threatening Griffin as well?
It's Brazilians. On any surf trip where Brazilians show up it's like uhhhgggh.
Individually Brazilians are ok ,,, that said, they have the worst pack mentality I’ve seen anywhere. They need to grow up and realize the universe doesn’t revolve around Brazil. There’s more to life than the ‘gang’. Grownups understand that. Hopefully Brazilians will grow up sooner as opposed to later. Everyone else has.
Maybe him and griff are being carried by the judges the most, like that robbery at bells recently
@@josephwiard6695 but that's not their fault. Hate judges not the surfers.
Surfing was the only sport that I watched. The way Italo was scored in that last contest compared to Griffin was just straight corruption. It’s not the surfers fault, but the judges and the WSL management. I can’t support or watch them anymore as a result of it. It’s just wrong.
I totally agree with you Italo one that hands down thank you for saying so so I didn't have to much Aloha to you brother hope you are doing well and another thing you remember what happened to Lori Towner what a shame!
Agree! Italo should have won by a good bit
All you guys are 💯 correct
No way Italo beat Griff. Italo played it safe, Italo did the same thing the judges saw him do all week. They were not going to give it to him. Italo had a chance to go AIr to go Big Air and Crush Griff. He took the Save route. Its a wave POOL!!! Italo Tried to do a Big Air 3 times the whole week and did not hit it. You needed to watch the whole Comp not just the Finals. Italo could have beaten Griff on the Second wave. He Blew it and Lost.
@TheVisualante11 Griffin was way over scored for very safe surfing. All year actually. Italos waves were better. You are the minority on this one brah
No matter how many tats they get to look core, they cry better than most babies
Its funny when the Brazilians don't get the score they want, they scream and cry but when they get over-scored its fine!!
it's funny when medina cries.
@@cwr8618 Love to see it
the brazilians are so small they should lost points for their weak turns
True, but I reckon Italo was ripped off bad in that final at the Ranch.
They will accept any victory, hollow or not
WSL is a joke. Despite great surfers, it has become impossible to watch- generally terrible surf conditions; annoying, sycophantic blather from "commentators; and judging that is, at best, biased, opaque and inscrutable.
Well said
sycophantic blather from "commentators; i second that
Show the scores from judges live... transparent
People sending death threats made me lose hope in the Brazilian fans.
Nobody cares about your hopes. Shouldn’t your gooseneck focused somewhere else?
It was only one idiot that did it. No other threat was seen.
Good
He who sells most Merch wins... surfing is broken 😢
Most Instagram followers wins.
Agree. It's broken.
brazilian people issuing death threats, then wonder why half the world can't stand brazzos
THIS
Well, as a Brazilian I got to agree with you, mate
But the threat came from w fake profile. Could b
@@czarnpg knowing Brazilians... Nah, they for real! We don't need no fake profiles.
@@czarnpg interesting
I'm not close to surfing anymore but watching the last few WSL contests, I agree the judging has been poor and biased against Brazilian surfers especially Italo and Gabrial. This obvious dishonest judging has really turned me off the WSL.
What? You must not have watched Surfing in the Last 7 years. The Brazilians way over claim and their fans way over claim. And the Judges way over score. For what ever reasons. Number One Reason is trying to Grow the Sport in Brazil. MONEY.
The last 3 world champions were brazilian most of the events last year were won by brazilian and there are more brazilian in the WSL then any other country.
I am not saying that misscoring did not happen, but if you look at the tour is dominated by Brazil, if there was a conspiracy to stop them they wouldnt even get through the QS.
Plus at the end of the year the World Champ is probably going to be Brazilian anyway and the final five will have probably 3 of them, I dont know here people are seeing the corruption...
Get rid of the wave pool, the mid season cut and end of season surf off. Oh and Kelly please quit, the WSL should have given the wild card to Ramzi who battled for many years to make the CT, got injured and did not surf a heat. Not really sure what Kelly is trying to prove, sure he can win Pipe and Chopes but the rest not even going to get close.
He was hoping to make the Olympic team. Seeing as how it’s at Chopes they should just put him on since he’s the best guy out there.
People are too scared to tell him he is no where near it anymore. It’s like a case of ‘Emporia’s new clothes’ with Kelly’s surfing these days.
@@jasonfreestone9944 Brazil will not go well for him either.
Ooohh that's so true. I'll watch Kelly's doggy door barrels from the yesteryears all day. The same ol' 360 and frontside slash's in a contest now. Ehhhh....
Kelly is Still ripping it up everybody in the World wants to see him surf btw. . Give Wild Cards to Who? Gird it out on the Challenger Series. Ya no reason for the mid Cut.
Why is Erik Logan there in the first place? He’s from Oklahoma and worked in Hollywood with Oprah. Seems like a bad hire. WSL does not need to go Hollywood.
... yeah death threats to " the other guy " is sure to solve everything ! ? Coz its all his fault right ? 🙄
The threat was made by a fake profile. Could it be made by a wsl Judge?
You wouldn't think two judges are brazzo, one of them the head judge
used to love watching the pro contests, when the new regime came init started to go downhill, when the changed the format, it was over for me. stupidest decision ever... this is what you get when non surfers run professional surfing... lets get the bobby martinez rebel tour going! gotta win in hawaii to win the title!
From a neutral perspective, watching the WSL every event, I have noticed that if there is a Brazilian and another opponent competing in a heat together against each other. If there is a tough decision, the decision will always go to the Brazilian 9 times out of 10 and they will take a long time to come up with a score, and then they will make the score so close that the Brazilian just barely beat the other opponent, it would appear that the judging panel is biased with Brazilians in mind 🤷♂️ just an observation I went back and looked at a lot of past events just to make sure I wasn’t imagining it, but it is true
As much as that may be true, it represents a switch from the judge's decades long prejudice for Australians.
It is I think purely the fact that they are intimidated by the large contingent and pack mentality of each...and
that's not excusing the bias. BUT...the one thing above everything else the judges MUST do, is STOP holding
scores for so long. The appearance is, and I'm of the "it's bias" opinion, is that they're SLOTTING the scores:
they won't score one ride until they can see the next and adjust accordingly. NO OTHER scoring sport
WOULD DREAM OF SUCH AN APPEARANCE OF CHEATING.
@@WayneLynch69by bias you mean Australians read and understood the criteria and surfed accordingly, not we surf our way and make the wsl change to suit us
@maxfish4770 yes!!!
@@maxfish4770wow that rebuttal was beautiful max
That the WSL is allowing men is women’s surfing is disgusting!
There's no trans surfer that could even make it on the QS. I will beat the dogshit out of anyone harassing a trans person near me, but even I don't know how to go forward on the sports issue. But for now, it's a non-issue, unless the WSL keeps pushing who they want to win through heats. There's not one trans surfer who could go near QS level women's. That Australian longboarder sure couldn't.
@@seancallahan1312 there is a trans surfer surfing against the women. That’s why Bethany Hamilton dropped out!
It’s mind blowing seeing white men complain about Brazilians here, calling out Brazilians for complaining, while that’s the very thing you’re doing. And y’all can get angry all you want, but all you ever see is white men crying every time a Brazilian (or a non-white) surfer gets any kind of acknowledgement. Not to mention, basing off the comments here alone, racism is very much still alive. Perhaps the judges should just be replaced by AI then.
The ocean salinity content has gone up 275% with Brazilian tears.
So the Brazzos dominate 80% of the events, but cry when they don't win EVERYTHING?
it doesn't matter, that is not the point, we are talking about fairness bro, the judgement has to be fair, just because brazzos are winnnin or not doesn't mean it's ok to be robbed
Thank you for covering this
No problem 😊
WSL these days run by a script, they decide who is the world champion no matter how better other surfers are. Unwatchable, it literally can be seen by the LIVE views, its pathetically low now.
Backside surfing has always been overscored. Some dude does the same turn 5 or 6 times its an 8 or 9 with 0 Variety While the guy tearing one up with lots of variety frontside gets maybe a 7 it's always been nonsense. The mid year cut breeds conflict and ruins the sport creating heightened anxiety and resentment among the surfers on tour. As well as sharing every event between two contests is a huge waste. You could have two great contests where most everyone gets the best window of waves but they split it between two full contests its dumb and adds to the above problems.
I hate to say it, I’m old enough to remember when there were no Brazilian competitors, back then nobody ever complained about the scoring. Results were just accepted, like good sportsmen do.
come on dude! like brazilians are the problem
now! come on! wsl is a business that have interests
I'm sure you are not old enough or you would saw my father getting robbed against kalani rob in 2002 at us open. Or Paulo Moura getting punched by sunny garcia at pipe masters.
@@igorgouveia7623 I’m 71, so I’m not old! 🤣
@@igorgouveia7623 If he wasn't your father, you would have clearly seen Kalani won that. Talk about bias jeesh, lol. Also back in 2002, the Hawaiians were punching everybody. Just happens Paulo got the bad luck of the draw that day. Never heard it had anything to do with his nationality.
@@igorgouveia7623that was Neco not Paulo moura. And your dad was really good. I don’t know that heat in particular but kalani is an amazing surfer who underperformed to his abilities competitively.
Who are these judges ?
And why are they not introduced at the beginning of each event ?
Huh?
Any sport that has subjective judging will always have inconsistencies and open to bias.
The wave pool and mid season cut are ridiculous…….and didn’t Kelly miss the mid season cut ?
Brazilians are amazing surfers, but they are very bad at handling looses. They blame everyone else when they loose. It’s ridiculous how much they cry. Felip Toledo is the only one that doesn’t cry and has good sportsmanship .
I'm a big Griff Colopinto fan, but I was at the Surf Ranch contest and Italo killed it! So much so the in the highlight video WSL did not even include Italo's final wave. It was extraordinary! He should have won.
Yes I noticed that too and thought it was very telling. It was his title losing wave, why not show it if they have nothing to hide, if they think they made the right decision. Not Griff's fault but the fix was definitely in....
Hi everyone. Shane Horan was the first victim of bias judging way back when corporate started to take notice of the sport.
We are conscious of the subjective aspects that infuse judgments in professional surfing contests. While this subjectivity brings a certain dynamism and richness to the sport, it can also lead to disputes and disagreements. Thus, to provide a greater degree of objectivity, fairness, and most crucially, UNBIASED evaluations, it's crucial to strive for a greater degree of transparency, especially when judgments are questioned due to subjective interpretations.
Promoting transparency isn't merely a goal, it's about implementing clear, definitive measures to elucidate the path of judgment, ensuring it is based on performance and not influenced by the surfer's nationality. By shedding light on these procedures, we foster a better understanding, trust, and appreciation within our surfing community.
Furthermore, it's paramount that the W$L articulates a clear vision for the future of surfing. Will it be a nostalgic return to the aesthetic principles of the 80s, or are we charting a course towards pushing boundaries with groundbreaking maneuvers? Defining this vision will not only guide competitors but also stimulate the growth of the sport in the intended direction.
Carl Sagan once said that extraordinary claims demand extraordinary evidence. In keeping with the spirit of Carl Sagan's principle, we need to ensure that our extraordinary claim of fairness and unbiased judgment in professional surfing is supported by extraordinary evidence of transparency and clarity. It's not just about safeguarding the integrity of the sport, but also about nurturing its future in a manner that harmoniously blends respect for tradition with a passion for innovation.
@@jbrd2959 Easy. Since you asked for evidence:
"Italo’s 6.77 for a huge rotation going left (one of the best we’ve seen all year) was vastly underscored. You could not make that air more dynamic or land it cleaner. How far did he travel through the air? Ten feet? Fifteen? And he followed it with a seamless transition into a clean wrap that judges go weak at the knees for when Ewing does it. This scoring should be interrogated."
"Ewing’s carving wraps are pretty, but they’re not risky enough. His 8.07 was scandalously over-scored [AGAIN AND AGAIN AND AGAIN!!!]. The tweak he puts at the end of his top turn flatters to deceive. There’s a twitch in his bottom turn that seems to be ignored because of pleasing arm placement."
Source:
Beach Grit
MARGARET RIVER PRO UNLIKELY SITE OF SUDDEN, AND WILD, PROGRESSION IN SURFING, “DOES THE 2023 TOUR HAVE THE GREATEST DEPTH OF TALENT WE’VE EVER SEEN?”
In part, I agree . The surfers will obviously surf to what the judges are looking for . The real essence is to get rid of subjectivity . Red Bull Diving, each judge focuses on a seperate component of the execution . This is the answer .
WSL is killing the golden goose.Far too much US corporate vibe . Too much “product” not enough spirit of surfing and competition
Kelly should be head judge/ceo or start his own league
Ethan is the best surfer in the world at the moment.
He have the most perfect style. Amazing for the 80s and 90s. He could beat occy or curren, but today's surf is more than just style. In my opinion, He's worst version of JJF or Gabe.
Yep he's the epitomy of what surfing should be and look like. Smooth , legs are close together and in control. Just like a ballet dancer ,total control of his body.
@@julieoliver8170 you just replied to yourself in agreement to your own comment…..wow!
Lol, added ....
@@drmarcosmancini no one surfed like that in the 80's 90's or even now, JJF can match him, but the lines he draws are ridicules , mind you griffin and Toledo know how it's done also.
Make a new Brazzo league and they would still complain about the judging. What nobody wants to really say is that style does play a part into the judging and none of these guys except Yago have it.
Ya I would say the Same. Yago moved to Hawaii to get that style.
The last 4 world men's champs and the Olympic gold medalist are all Brazilian, with this year's number 1 also being from Brazil. Cry when you win, cry when you lose.
Also, whoever thought it was a good idea to drop Cloubreak and add the surf ranch either doesn't surf or has their priorities all fked up.
But the Brazilians gets the most over scores….
Well the tour has lost its soul. May have dream locations but I’d rather watch Rasta, Machado, Kersy, Asher et al riding alternative equipment with style and grace. This is what the best surfers have in buckets 🤙
WSL was invented for the Corporations...
The essence of surfing was lost...
Boring at best....
Should reinvent and hold it only on the north shore over a winter....
The judges should start breaking down how there getting the scores where the points are actually coming from whether that’s the number of turns or critical maneuvers or a barrel ride. Just break it down.
All the professional surfers lost their souls, when they started surfing for money, not pure enjoyment. Same goes for those who don’t share the waves and think it’s a gladiator sport. Greed will always take you down into darkness.
the language in this monologue is excessively grandiose. went overboard boss
We appreciate this feedback! In what tone would you prefer?
dial it down a bit. that was level 12
Thank you, CWR! We will apply this feedback in future content.
@@surf_360 4:19 who is surfing in this red jersey?
@botaccount3449 Unfortunately this surfer is unrecognizable for us to mention.
While some sports are judged by a panel of judges, the judges themselves are obviously human and are subject to prejudice. That’s why the highest and lowest scores are thrown out. It still seems that Ausies have an edge in Australia, Brazilians in Brazil , Hawaiians in Hawaii etc. Like it or not subjective meets objective in every competition. All surfers on the pro tour have proven themselves to deserve to be there,,, any one of them are capable of winning their heat at any time. Sometimes the ocean doesn’t deliver when expected. Oh well. While I’m sometimes at odds with the judges I still enjoy the overall experience of watching the best in the world compete in real time all over the planet. I have to give WSL credit for their efforts to bring this to us in real time. That wasn’t possible not all that long ago. Don’t look a gift horse in the mouth ,,, relax, enjoy catch a wave !!! Don’t sweat the petty 😀🤙,,, death threats!!?!?really!?!?! Obviously mental illness has entered the arena 😳
CEO Eric Logan has to GO!!
Agreed!! I have no idea how he still CEO!
Where are the judges from?
The recent 9 fliepe got in the el salvador finals was way to high. It was a great wave but way overscored, 3 snaps Is not worthy of a 9. Judges need to fix there stuff.
Agreed!! But the 7,17 that they gave first to Griffin was way to high, and Filipe’s wave was much better!! I think that’s why Filipe got such high score.
I thought the same! When I saw that score come in I flashbacked to his baby tantrum at Bells over Baker's 9.
Dope channel bro , worthy sub 🙌🏾
Appreciate that
I just cant watch it anymore. So many outstanding surfers with talented camera crews, with great sound tracks and the best waves in the world doing awe inspiing vlogs with soul and humility. Why would I?
Air comps died out over two decades ago because they were boring the wsl will suffer the same fate if they keep giving excellent scores for a one trick wave...
With the amount of camera footage and angles available now, everyone can judge for themselves. Social media has countless videos of every competition. Full replays are available at the press of a button.
Im not surprised about this at all. Have you ever surfed with Brazilians?? Well if you had you would not be surprised either hahaha, only takes one angry Brazilian to wreck a lineup, why not try and wrecks the WSL too.
Ask Naacar how it's worked out for them. They completely took the spirit out that sport!
History shows that Brazilians' have at numerous times been overscored to gain market share.
If you want over 40's / 50's market share, then overscoring a single air over power, grace and flair isn't going to wash. Making death threats, well... maybe Brazil should be sanctioned until they can clean up their act. Remember that loser storming the tower... nice sportsmanship champ... where was he from?
Maybe Brazil should have a breakaway tour... run by Brazilians', judged by Brazilians', for Brazilians' and paid for by Brazilians'.
Call is the WSL. Wide Stance League
The Brazilian surfers and fans know nothing about the spirit of surfing. Medina has won 3 titles, he's got nothing to whinge about, He is the Trump of surfing.
That’s a compliment! Trump 2024 Medina 2024! 😊❤
Just be consistent. Obviously judges will have their favourites, even the Brazilian ones, but some of the scores have been ridiculous. Some people get way too upset about other grown adults and let it ruin their day.
I was unable to watch years ago it turned into the Woke Tour
The WSL recently announced it would be adopting the International Surfing Association (ISA) policy on transgender participation, which requires trans-female athletes to maintain a testosterone level of less than five nmol/L for at least 12 months in order to compete in the women's division.Feb
Clown world
Where are all the trans-male surfers at? Oh yeah right there aren't any cause they would get annihilated. Like the guy above me said. "Clown World".
There's one already waiting . If this happens , I will never watch ever again . Funkin worlds gone crazy . Get rid of Eric Logan as soon as possible
@@cjgamer2140 leave it to women to allow men into women’s sports lol
Why Eric Logan was not fired yet? This guy has no condition to run any corporation! That response to Medina post was just ridiculous!
WWSL- world wrestling surf league, where the outcome is scripted from the start.
The threat to Ethan Ewing came from a fake profile. Could it be a kind of fake "alibi" to WSL?
would you expect someone making that type of threat doing it from his main profile???
Competitive surfing is for corporations and $ not the athletes
Im just so over expecting a big score from a sloppy air reverse at the end of a wave.
What's next , the most air reverses on a wave wins?!
The current format favors the top 5 ,surf ranch affects rankings for sure it's a judges event, nature and priority are taken out of the equation as well.
Surfing is different than other sports because it's fans surf. So, you can't fool us. We know who is shreding! Thus, when "the mystery judges" (who remain hidden and nameless) miss we know it.
Americans are acknowledging this too, there is a god. Surfing is going back too his essence free surfing and have fun. Forget competition
What do you want? A sport with sportive behavior or competitions supported by commercial interests.I rather watch some expression sessions or freesurfers vid's. This also trickles down in behavior in the line-up where ever you are. In combination with overcrowding this makes the future look quiet dire. To bad.
they robbed italo at the ranch
Bobby Martinez was right. Since then I lost interest in surfing competition, I don't watch it anymore.
WSL: The first rule of fight club is, you don't talk about fight club.
wsl gone woke
It will be swept away !!
does erik logan surf?
I’d rather watch surf travel docs where the surfers aren’t trying to out spin each other in slop.
Os brasileiros nao precisam da WSL. SOMOS OS MELHORES SURFISTAS DO MUNDO... QUE SE CRIE UMA LIGA FORTE COM OS BRASILEIROS ...SERIA O FIM DA WSL COMO EMPRESA
Brazilians have ruined pro surfing. Prove me wrong
Whats with the wax intellectual comments these days. If youre gonna be smart about surfing, then acknowledge that its parameters for judging lack definition due to the nature of the sport. Its not like watching a football or basketball game and it never will be. On top of that, the ranch isnt even a wave compared to open ocean surfing as the water buoyancy is different and the movement of the water under the board is not like the ocean. Im not surprised at all that the judging for the ranch is exposing the long existing holes in judging. Nothing is new here except the fact that people think wave pools and open ocean surfing are the same. THEY ARE NOT and i will die on this hilltop.
Brazil event gonna be dope
He's kinda right but Griffin throws way more buckets than a smaller Toledo, if that's what he's talkjng
AI Chat to judge
Poozil Stinking Up The Joint…
The judges need to move on from the old skool days and get with the new program 🇦🇺 like if a surfer can get barrelled, switch foot hand downs, winner straight up.
They just huck airs lol it’s impressive but that’s not what it’s all about
Show me the 💰!!!!!!! That's all folks!!!!!
Assuming all 5 judges different nationalities and then the top and bottom score dropped and the final score the medium of the middle 3. How can it be bias 🤔
Great question!
If your personal job depends on it, it doesn’t matter what nationality you are.
@@intothewoodsrecords touche'
@@surf_360 well 2 of the judges were Brazilian, and they thought Griff won, and so did I. maybe they don't like shakey surfing either.
Flawless surfing is great. But I had seen enough.
I like to see something new. Like skateboarding.
Still no talk of mandates & jibbbs🎉
Medina should just start another Tour with those who are not happy and use the new criteria.
The WSL is just a business so go start another one with a slightly different name.
Just look at boxing.
I totally understand how the most well known surfers (for good reason) keep the sport alive in media and money. But its what you do with the $ that is a problem; how you run the org.
Saquarema crowd soccer hooliganism is lame and shouldn't be rationalized. That is not the spirit of surfing.
Go woke go broke; says a lot. Also Medina's message isn't clear... is he pushing for more radical acro surfing? Seamless transitions sound good to me.
Everything is too political these days. Better off throwing it in the trash and start over.
Competitive surfing is by its nature is lame. Only try hard spastic style is rewarded. Example: beating a section with a long floater is scored lower than throwing up a big hack and loosing the wave.
It happens. Baseball ⚾️is worse. Football⚽️ even with Var they screwup. Italo shouldve had it. Win the next one dude🤙
Being a critic is easy. If you're going to voice criticism, offer solutions too.
Thanks for the feedback!
Brazilians are the best in a 2 foot swell haha
FACT: the WSL judging has a panel of judges being told what to score by one head official judge from his opinion and viewpoint.
Nope, nothing wrong there SMH !!!!
Nice video
@maattttt07 Thank you!
WSL é parcial , tem outros interesses envolvidos, a arbitragem é falha e não é clara.
the scoring system is done wrong, i have the solution
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