Tarisland Is Still P2W!? (PayToWin Explained *UPDATED*)

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  • Опубліковано 16 чер 2024
  • Tarisland is a new open world free to play mmorpg releasing for pc, ios and android globally and officially 21st June. I am now explaining the pay to win before launch and if its still p2w
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  • @TristanBell-yq3pn
    @TristanBell-yq3pn 27 днів тому +103

    The real dealbreaker in this game is the lack of visual progression

    • @naimmuhammad8946
      @naimmuhammad8946 26 днів тому +21

      Thank you for reminding me back why i refused to play this game from start. Visual progression is the endgame content for any mmorpg. if they erased that then whats the point lmao. I dont want my level1000 characters looks the same as lvl1 day1 creation 😂

    • @dievictoria93
      @dievictoria93 26 днів тому

      @@naimmuhammad8946 uuhh, there is visual progression and no, your level 40 character would look nothing like your lvl 1. Visual progression exists for raid gears, but u can also buy some skins for transmog.

    • @xc1951
      @xc1951 26 днів тому

      ​@@naimmuhammad8946 that's fine by me I'll be having a blast playing

    • @gareth3437
      @gareth3437 26 днів тому +5

      I'd not mind this so much if costumes could drop from mobs or be found randomly throughout your gameplay.
      Gatekeeping individuality/personal appearance behind a paywall seems SUPER low even for an eastern developer. Gender locking is bad enough but I know they're going to change that.

    • @Adirtan
      @Adirtan 26 днів тому +6

      agree, they need to add gear visual progression

  • @ZTomiboi
    @ZTomiboi 27 днів тому +119

    I miss the days of just paying for a game upfront. All these things I have to worry about now is such a headache.

    • @ThisIsntmyrealnameGoogle
      @ThisIsntmyrealnameGoogle 25 днів тому +5

      I mean those games still exist, this is a mobile PC cross platform game, the target audience isn't going to be those who can afford buy to play or subscription models. Making a new MMO just buy to play like new world usually ends up with the game not making enough money and losing support and dying out. You need whales to fund updates.

    • @thirtysilver33
      @thirtysilver33 25 днів тому

      @@ThisIsntmyrealnameGoogle And here's the person that keeps things like this alive.

    • @skylerfreeman1173
      @skylerfreeman1173 25 днів тому +5

      ​@@ThisIsntmyrealnameGoogle I mostly agree but new world had a massive audience and failed cause of multiple mismanagements/incompetence issues

    • @darvr4042
      @darvr4042 25 днів тому

      @@ThisIsntmyrealnameGoogle with sub should be enough, no need for whales

    • @domppa100ify
      @domppa100ify 25 днів тому

      Edit: l read it as playing, not paying :D
      I also miss those times, but that would also include ppl not knowing any stuff before playing themselves.
      Sadly nowdays ppl tend to be more picky, do their research before and while playing and optimize their way of playing/gaining currency, which just ends up ruining a big part that causes fun in the game (trial and error > success and discovering new things) and creating metas and gatekeeping way faster than back in the day. Alphas, Betas and EA releases just make this problem worse.

  • @Shadowclaw25
    @Shadowclaw25 29 днів тому +71

    The Fanbois will get big Eyes. The Second the Game does not bring in the Money they want, the p2w will increase massively.

    • @ShickSlit
      @ShickSlit 29 днів тому +4

      And then, that would be the beginning of the end of Tarisland.. just hope they're wise enough to realize that

    • @mrmack3176
      @mrmack3176 29 днів тому +5

      Alot of this stuff is easy gridable but honestly every MMO has some pay to win element as long as free players have a reasonable chance

    • @juicerenekton9870
      @juicerenekton9870 28 днів тому +8

      I remember when I was 12 years old and thought MMORPGs should run on charity. I hope you mature soon too!

    • @ShickSlit
      @ShickSlit 28 днів тому +3

      @@juicerenekton9870 Fortnite is doin just fine

    • @kingbigfoot2678
      @kingbigfoot2678 28 днів тому +8

      POE seems to make plenty of money without it being ptw

  • @Xinatre
    @Xinatre 25 днів тому +12

    For those who convinced theirselves about “this level of p2w is acceptable!”, this is how it starts guys. We have seen this multiple times. If you disagree, feel free to contact me about 3 months later

    • @joe3683
      @joe3683 23 дні тому +4

      Not supporting this, but there are games where you can directly buy gold through things like this - RS3, OSRS, GW2, Eve, WoW.

    • @quintit
      @quintit 23 дні тому

      @@joe3683 calling wow p2w is wild, to actually kit yourself with max boes you would have to spend literally 1000s of dollars which no one does except high skill players who pay for it all with gold from carries anyway.

  • @eugeug3432
    @eugeug3432 29 днів тому +18

    Good video Spid, honesty on the game is important. Why dev would hide the p2w, they could have admit it.... mmo players can smell p2w easily.

    • @juliantee
      @juliantee 25 днів тому

      people will RMT...its pretty much like legal RMT... theres no gacha for gear..so thats ok to some degree.

    • @MechaMeister
      @MechaMeister 24 дні тому

      "our game is p2w"
      -genius dev

    • @johnemersonbacarra2583
      @johnemersonbacarra2583 2 дні тому

      I have never paid any dime. Haven't felt or seen any whale players that overgeared or overstats theirselves. all I see are they overgeared their COSTUMES XD. those crystals to gold are like for them to not farm but for non pay2win you can easily get those gold and gear yourself with empower and inlays or craft them

  • @Krillick
    @Krillick 28 днів тому +9

    I can look past the small amount of P2W but if they're willing to continue lying about it to this degree; who's to say they wont simply increase the amount of P2W features down the line?

    • @cr0wN_
      @cr0wN_ 24 дні тому +7

      They 1000% will since when you look at the current p2w you there is already like 4 or 5 layers of different currency just to increase your stats. Layers are so that you mentally dissociate your money value

    • @Rorther
      @Rorther 22 дні тому +1

      Exactly. Not problem of not being P2W. But once they say it's F2P but make it P2W, trust is gone. We know it just go downhill from here

  • @sleyzis
    @sleyzis 29 днів тому

    Waited for this vid to come out let’s go mate⚡️

  • @pakmann864
    @pakmann864 28 днів тому +1

    Hey Spid, do you think you can viablly raid on this game using your phone and be effective?

    • @michaeldmckenzie
      @michaeldmckenzie 26 днів тому +1

      I can’t imagine why anyone would want to play on a phone.

    • @pakmann864
      @pakmann864 26 днів тому +5

      @@michaeldmckenzie it's a mobile game?? Which is meant for phones. It just so happens to have a pc client as well

    • @JAY___M
      @JAY___M 25 днів тому

      @@pakmann864 people crack me up when they comment like that. 👍
      Took the words right out of my... fingers

    • @masonhigginbotham9375
      @masonhigginbotham9375 24 дні тому +1

      @@michaeldmckenzie These are the typical people that swipe on these type of games and are usually pretty bad at video games. They have this coping mechanism of paying to win on these games so they can have some type of advantage to make themselves feel like they are good at the game and at the same time these are the people that will defend the pay to win. Playing on there cute little iphone or android LOL

  • @ashfagandatv6021
    @ashfagandatv6021 28 днів тому +1

    Will you do recruitment for levelz at global release or will you use same data as for china was?

    • @SpidMMO
      @SpidMMO  28 днів тому

      Join my levelz discord

    • @ashfagandatv6021
      @ashfagandatv6021 28 днів тому

      @@SpidMMO man im in your chinese guild i Just ask if you change anything about world release :)

    • @90ms-fk1mt
      @90ms-fk1mt 27 днів тому

      ​@@SpidMMO
      Who's best class for pvp?
      Paladin or barbarian

    • @90ms-fk1mt
      @90ms-fk1mt 27 днів тому

      ​@@SpidMMO
      Do you think assassin can beat anyone 1vs1 ?

  • @danielsicko8593
    @danielsicko8593 28 днів тому

    How slow are grinding gems f2p? And how much does it cost to max out? And how big are the power difference with max rank and lower ranks?

  • @facepaints89
    @facepaints89 29 днів тому

    So what is the f2p strat to compete? I saw something about creating the same class over and over again and consolidating the best rolled gear on your main.

    • @Z0o0L
      @Z0o0L 29 днів тому +6

      u cannot do that cause u cant mail stuff to ur alt chars...basically doing alts to have an advantage like in other mmos just doesnt work in tarisland

    • @dievictoria93
      @dievictoria93 28 днів тому +6

      u can't mail ur alt

    • @danward583
      @danward583 21 день тому

      You can sell gold to your main through AH

  • @thirtysilver33
    @thirtysilver33 25 днів тому +6

    NEVER play any that came from, or is in the East; always P2W no matter what.

  • @powhawj4207
    @powhawj4207 27 днів тому

    Thanks, Spid. your wonderful explaining saves my time and wallet. I'm really glad I saw your video.

  • @nikoybacomo5179
    @nikoybacomo5179 29 днів тому +4

    What ca you buy with crystals though, that regular players would be willing to exchange their gold for it?

    • @rks4532
      @rks4532 28 днів тому

      The weekly/monthly subscription. You can buy the subscription with money or crystals bought from the trading hall.

    • @nikoybacomo5179
      @nikoybacomo5179 28 днів тому

      @@rks4532 battlepass?

    • @Lain2-c
      @Lain2-c 28 днів тому

      Monthly passes, some costumes, mounts & gacha rolls (legendary costumes).

    • @rks4532
      @rks4532 28 днів тому

      @@Lain2-c I dont think anyone would exchange it for gacha rolls xd. those things are hella expensive. The thing they would exchange prolly just for weekly or monthly

    • @Louvenoire05
      @Louvenoire05 28 днів тому

      ⁠@@Lain2-cthat’s cool you can exchange for monthly subscription using ingame currency. I played a game that allowed us to use gems to get our subscription and then last year they change it so we have to use real money. Many people were not so happy about that including myself. For me this is good news.

  • @Generalkillaman
    @Generalkillaman 29 днів тому +5

    Still going to try it this Friday

  • @Partyrockk
    @Partyrockk 28 днів тому

    Excellent and fair rundown on the issue. Thanks!

  • @Kiki_1986
    @Kiki_1986 28 днів тому

    Recharge sistem lika a Diablo Immortal right?

  • @TheBrunozxc
    @TheBrunozxc 29 днів тому +1

    Did they announced that they're going to add Open World pvp? or is it just random speculation?

  • @jamesreynolds9673
    @jamesreynolds9673 24 дні тому

    You try playing the game on Mobile? Crashes then puts you back to the ten to fifteen min load screen.

  • @volumeleet7667
    @volumeleet7667 28 днів тому +1

    Yo, when video on professions?

  • @feitan7142
    @feitan7142 28 днів тому

    is there a market where you can sell items for gold/crystal?

    • @johnemersonbacarra2583
      @johnemersonbacarra2583 2 дні тому

      yeah. its vice versa you can buy crystal with gold or you can sell crystal for gold.

  • @renzmarquez336
    @renzmarquez336 25 днів тому

    so the PVP is only via Arena/Ladder ?

    • @es.g13
      @es.g13 21 день тому

      you can also duel players

  • @jasonx5564
    @jasonx5564 29 днів тому +2

    Is it still set to release Friday?

    • @Z0o0L
      @Z0o0L 29 днів тому

      jes release this friday

    • @TheCozyGameress
      @TheCozyGameress 25 днів тому

      Just released today!

  • @romnicksarmiento2743
    @romnicksarmiento2743 28 днів тому +4

    Thanks for the Vid, Spid. Considering the "minor" P2W element, how wide do you think the power gap is going to be between a serious non-spender and a "maxed out" spender?

    • @widayantosetio
      @widayantosetio 24 дні тому

      Imo, this game is newly launched yesterday for my region, early game maybe acceptable difference, but remember this game keep being developed, spid also say season based, no body knows what might comes on future seasons, i have feeling that once their income can not satisfy investor, they will start releasing OP stuff with tons of money to earn it 😂
      Still, thats my opinion only, lets see how this game will developed

    • @CsanadiPeter85
      @CsanadiPeter85 19 днів тому

      these are not p2w elements

  • @JoshuaSelosaNew
    @JoshuaSelosaNew 23 дні тому

    You’re the best Spid. I have learned about the game more. Thank you

  • @zelasd3125
    @zelasd3125 29 днів тому +54

    People are coping hard on this. It's like Lost Ark pre-launch all over the again. All smiles and delusions, and then reality hits in a few months.

    • @Z0o0L
      @Z0o0L 29 днів тому +4

      the thing with lost ark is u pay 20 bucks in lost ark und u beat 1-2 month of grinding of a f2p player ez but not in tarisland this game the scale amount of money u have to whale for the same diffrence is a lot higher...
      and its seasonal in tarisland its just really stupid doing action house spendings every season to be at the top leaderboards...
      just play normal and get some cosmetics to look cooler if u wanna drop some cash^^

    • @HanY-gf3sx
      @HanY-gf3sx 28 днів тому +7

      @@Z0o0L 20 bucks does not beat 1 -2 month of grind in lost ark. prolly just 1 day grind of a seasoned f2p. few days - 1week of a new f2p.

    • @Lain2-c
      @Lain2-c 28 днів тому +12

      Feels like Lost Ark :D ?
      They literally had 150-200$ packs before game launched - to enter the game faster than everyone else 🤣- and then full CASH SHOP with rotations of crystals every 24hrs to power up faster.
      It's not even comperable

    • @KokoKrunchs
      @KokoKrunchs 27 днів тому

      Exactly my thought

    • @Derael
      @Derael 26 днів тому +6

      "People"? 90% of comments defending this game are paid bots.

  • @johnnguyen6224
    @johnnguyen6224 26 днів тому

    Very informative, thx!

  • @Caljostro
    @Caljostro 28 днів тому

    What about the elf messenger bags?

  • @metramaster
    @metramaster 22 дні тому

    Unless I misunderstood, a large part of your argument that it is p2w is based on players buying gold from other players, then using that gold to buy in-game progression. By that argument, every single MMO is p2w. You could do the same in WoW, GW, etc.
    I am not a fanboy, just saw this game pop up and wanted to try it, but was looking at a good subjective view to determine if it is worth my time.

  • @Sheeshbro6969
    @Sheeshbro6969 29 днів тому +6

    Hope your video will not be taken down again. 😂 but yeah im going to try this game just for the heck of playing it.

    • @Partyrockk
      @Partyrockk 28 днів тому +4

      The company should think twice about going after people who objectively talk about the P2W aspects. Because of videos like this, I'm going to play the game. Without such videos, I would assume there was massive P2W and be uninterested. There is a level of P2W here that I can tolerate for now, so I'm going to play. They should be thanking Spid.

  • @NATEDAWGG79
    @NATEDAWGG79 25 днів тому

    So let me get this straight, costume pieces are from some sort of rng system? Also there is no gear progression so upgrades come from gems and empowerments?

    • @farhannoor7224
      @farhannoor7224 25 днів тому

      There are gears, inscribed stones, masteries but these cannot be bought and can only be gotten through quests, dungeons, raids etc. The P2W aspect is in the form of gems as stated in the video

  • @metalsnake27
    @metalsnake27 23 дні тому

    Still a million times better than all other mobile mmos.... it's actually pretty fair honestly.

  • @Squishydew
    @Squishydew 25 днів тому

    Thanks for this video, i installed the game to try today but now i don't want any part of it.
    So sick of scummy monetization.

  • @HyRBMBG
    @HyRBMBG 28 днів тому +1

    Energy for grinding proffesions? What is that? A bad game design or what?

    • @Adirtan
      @Adirtan 26 днів тому

      new to F2P games?

    • @HyRBMBG
      @HyRBMBG 26 днів тому +1

      No I'm not, but that doesn't sit right.

  • @mr.violationps5968
    @mr.violationps5968 29 днів тому

    I wonder if they're gonna honor that 2x rebate from one of the Cbt

  • @playgames-zp5iz
    @playgames-zp5iz 28 днів тому

    after they add benefit ticket to auction now they put crystal again 😅

  • @Druzlek
    @Druzlek 26 днів тому

    How do you get the gear from the raids ? Do you have to use gold to get gear from raids as I have seen in other games if so that means even more pay to win. Also what can you use crystals for besides selling them for gold ? What are people going to be buying them for ?

    • @BabyTiger-fn1dg
      @BabyTiger-fn1dg 26 днів тому

      You get gear from raids by doing the raids. You cannot buy gear dropped from raids (but you can get weaker epic gear to raid better that has no set bonuses like raid gear IF players are selling it.) Aside from gold im p sure crystals are for cosmetics, membership.

    • @MrKaypwnz
      @MrKaypwnz 25 днів тому

      RMT is base this how you can get boost remember

  • @TpDgreat
    @TpDgreat 23 дні тому

    for the people saying its not a pay to win game its pay to progress! SHUT UP! time savers? so youre telling me youre gonna pay them to not play the game? why can you not just admit that youre playing a pay to win game and embrace it, theres no shame on that you got money its up to you what to do with it. just remember that supporting this type of business is bad for gaming but hey who am i to tell u what to do XD. You play your favorite games and ill go play my favorite games as well. bye

  • @AmpyxMusic
    @AmpyxMusic 23 дні тому

    Ok so the arena is not pay to win. As long as you don’t have an advantage in competitive.. if you can’t pay to win arena so that’s a W in my book.

  • @kizmoko1739
    @kizmoko1739 28 днів тому

    That might still be acceptable, but they will definitely add more in the future when we start enjoying the game. But I will still play this.

  • @arvindn21
    @arvindn21 28 днів тому +13

    Its still owned by Tencent and the game publishers have shown that they are shady by advertising it as non-p2w initially, being called out, changing their descriptions to "a classical mmo", making some changes to save face and to retain players, and now going back to advertising as non-p2w despite having some elements of p2w... It is only a matter of time before they introduce some questionable feature after few months, but many players will be invested into the game by then and would not want to quit.. so there wont be as much backlash as before... Eventually the f2p and p2w gap will increase to maintain their profit margins in a declining player population and f2p players wont be able to compete against p2w leading to further decrease in population.. I say it will last for 4-5 years max.. 2 years if they become desperate and introduce p2w in 1st year.. Will still play the game but not put it on a pedestal of something ground-breaking or innovative.. Its just more subtle manipulation and misleading tactics than outright p2w..

    • @Lain2-c
      @Lain2-c 27 днів тому +3

      Lets speculate what will happen in 4 years lmao.
      Also Tencent owns one of the best F2P games that are on the market currently, so what's the deal calling them out ?

    • @KokoKrunchs
      @KokoKrunchs 27 днів тому +4

      @@Lain2-c4 years?? 4 months at best before they go full p2w 😂

  • @starnest5554
    @starnest5554 28 днів тому

    This is not that bad as it was, greate video ! Thx

  • @ghostmode12
    @ghostmode12 28 днів тому +2

    So if i choose not to pay to progress faster how much of a burden will i be in raids? Like if somebody who does choose to pay to progress, will they be doing 80% more dmg than a player who plays regularly? Or will it be a minor advantage? If its o ly a minor advantage then its fine but if im being deadweight essentially in endgame raids or content just cuz im not buying a certian item then i dnt need to even start playing this game lol

    • @rks4532
      @rks4532 28 днів тому +2

      1. No you wont be a deadweight
      2. No they wont do 80% more dmg
      3. Gemstone, Runes are easy to get from crafting, the crafting is time gated so everyone would equip same tier of gems and runes.
      The spender probably would just buy Gears to look for the stats they need and transfer it to their raid gear but its really not a big deal

    • @ghostmode12
      @ghostmode12 28 днів тому

      @rks4532 oh then that sounds good. As long as the gap between spenders and none spenders in end game raids ain't too big I'm all for it.

    • @rks4532
      @rks4532 28 днів тому +2

      @@ghostmode12 Yeah the game is good, you wont feel any gap at all if you know what you are doing with the crafting resource. if someone really complain about the Weekly or Monthly subscription, just ignore them lmaoo bro cant even spend 5$ for a month, they better get a job than playing games

    • @dievictoria93
      @dievictoria93 28 днів тому

      @@rks4532 the weekly and monthly sub can easily bought with gold, by exchanging it to crystals. I just bought my monthly sub with gold, 3 days ago. Making gold is giga easy. People who are complaining about it are kinda stupid.

    • @Louvenoire05
      @Louvenoire05 28 днів тому

      I agrée with this and is a contributing factor to why I have quit so many games. So this will hopefully be a breath of fresh air.

  • @SeTHBWong
    @SeTHBWong 23 дні тому

    Thanks for amazing videos, keeping it real.

  • @BladeSoul-k3m
    @BladeSoul-k3m 22 дні тому

    i maen even a minumum wage job could pay for it whats the excuse?

  • @kub9
    @kub9 28 днів тому

    where is ur spidmount dragon

  • @skytripa
    @skytripa 27 днів тому +1

    There is a youtuber that posted a video talking about how the game isn't pay to win by explaining how it is. Was very comical to say the least

  • @pyrox2801
    @pyrox2801 29 днів тому

    Well you re right it s a bit p2w but if you farm correctly everyday and did good in market you can easly be full of high lvl enchant and gems. You can be one of the top serv dps without spending money actualy. Hope they wont add feature hard p2w in future.

  • @r_i_v_e_r
    @r_i_v_e_r 25 днів тому

    I'm just looking forward to having a new game to play. Looks fun to me, and that's all that really matters in my opinion.

  • @josipmariic7392
    @josipmariic7392 29 днів тому +146

    feels like this is the least p2w we'll get in a free to play game, you still have to play to get the strongest gear, and you can still get gold by grinding. it's not as bad as some people make it out to be. there's no 100% perfect mmo, and this is one of those things that i can live with

    • @rulymendy
      @rulymendy 28 днів тому +19

      There is perfect none p2w mmos, gw2 is a perfect example.

    • @NeafPlays
      @NeafPlays 28 днів тому +13

      @@rulymendy Not fully F2P, you need to buy the expansions. Kind of like Destiny, it's more like a very lengthy trial (which is a good thing!)

    • @tepojateru
      @tepojateru 28 днів тому +8

      GW is not F2P...u have to buy it in order to play it..goes with the expansions.. lol

    • @rulymendy
      @rulymendy 28 днів тому +4

      @@NeafPlays you get the whole base game for free... That's hundreds of hours of gameplay easily. Yes you would need to make one time purchases for the expansions. But that's optional. You can play like 90% of the game for free.. also you can buy the expansions for in-game currency. So technically you don't have to pay with real cash.

    • @rulymendy
      @rulymendy 28 днів тому

      @@tepojateru inaccurate.

  • @crazedmonk8u
    @crazedmonk8u 28 днів тому +2

    I was okay until it said season. nah this is straight p2win, its not super p2w but this is basically diablo immortal all over again. and the monthly pass tax reducation+listing items is free is a massive p2w advantage. that means the only people who are going to be able to flip resources on the market effectively are payed members. and this also means resources you gather as a f2p player you will barely profit on once you take the listing fee+higher tax into consideration since monthly pass members can effectively price you out of the market with lower prices AND have better margins. nah pass

    • @Lain2-c
      @Lain2-c 28 днів тому

      Play daily for 1-2 hours max.
      Buy monthly pass for gold after just playing 7 days daily for minimum ammount of time (without spending a dime).
      Profit ???
      - also the market tax wasn't even an issue in here

    • @crazedmonk8u
      @crazedmonk8u 28 днів тому +2

      @@Lain2-c while that may or may not be true. its the principle of the matter. if the monthly pass is very good you feel compelled to buy it. so its a sub fee with extra perks which is a big turn off. its one thing to have a sub fee to unlock the full game like a traditional sub model and its another thing to nickle and dime by locking alot of good qol stuff behind it.

  • @leoljr8385
    @leoljr8385 28 днів тому

    what mmo that not p2w?

  • @wtfoffmy
    @wtfoffmy 23 дні тому

    The 'trade' for crystals to gold is NOT instant. No idea how long it takes but definitely not an instant exchange

  • @inactivenow1854
    @inactivenow1854 19 днів тому

    It is pay to win but its probably on the lowest level compared to other mobile mmorpg (Genshin Impact money + legendary weapon/char / Albion Money = full tier 8 set) but on the bright side Tarisland has Arena/BG that has equal stats, gears have 100% drop rate per boss kill, Gold coins are easy to get (quest, achievements, events, gathering/crafting and selling anything), there's no auto-quest no auto gathering(except fishing), Costumes dont have stats, no shitty ads and UI covering 999% of your screen, Its skill based as well, a full powered up noob deals less damage than a good player who knows how to memorize boss skill, reserve CD, kite, dodge projectile. We have a good game here not gonna lie, so enjoy.
    Side note: in Classic WOW you can buy gold and buy Best in slot GEARS :) as all MMORPG

  • @colossohyrule
    @colossohyrule 28 днів тому

    Remember my friend you spend money for buy gold, but ALL items on auction is from players. if players don't sell u cant buy anything, and if u buy u help who sell right? this is not bad...

  • @xw8462
    @xw8462 19 днів тому

    The problem of P2W is not just the "pay". Through the game, you have to always spend time to learn about those stupid gems. All kinds of stupid gems. If you spend 30 mins just to read through those shit, then in that 30mins you aren't playing.

  • @izidor
    @izidor 29 днів тому +30

    Thats like WoW tokens. Like every top Raid guilde does it to pay their millions of potions and heir top notch equipment.

    • @quintit
      @quintit 23 дні тому

      anyone who raids mythic or does high keys makes gold solely from boosting. No single high end player buys wow tokens lol.

    • @NerisX
      @NerisX 18 днів тому

      There is no cap on how much gold can you farm daily in WoW, there is no vigor system in WoW, you can trade with anyone in WoW (you can't trade in Tarisland). I don't get why would anyone say "yeah that is exactly the same as wow" lol.

  • @mimido6699
    @mimido6699 28 днів тому +1

    im kinda ok if p2w for pve only. maybe its good for whales competetive in pve. but hope no in pvp. im very exiting if their pvp so ballanced like tower of fantasy.

  • @smg_001
    @smg_001 27 днів тому +1

    Content creators often make videos using other people's work and then put ads on them. Is that really fair?
    consider how many features this game has imagine the costs they've invested in it. Can't you spare a few bucks?
    I play Helldivers 2, and they release warbonds with some amazing items for purchase. You don't see any complaints about that. I also buy them to support the progression of the game.

  • @user-zj2uz6uh2u
    @user-zj2uz6uh2u 28 днів тому

    what time will it launch?

    • @mskit86
      @mskit86 26 днів тому

      Asia : 9:00 (Bangkok time)
      EU: 9:00 (Berlin time)
      NA: 8:00 (PST)
      LATAM: 12:00 (Sao Paulo time)
      EE: 10:00 (Istanbul time)

    • @user-zj2uz6uh2u
      @user-zj2uz6uh2u 25 днів тому

      @@mskit86 thanks

    • @mskit86
      @mskit86 25 днів тому

      @@user-zj2uz6uh2u welcome 🤗

  • @Bobcatz097
    @Bobcatz097 28 днів тому +1

    Great video Spid and thanks. Just to play devils advocate here. Why is nobody calling out WoW for being P2W? I could log onto wow drop hundreds of dollars for gold tokens and buy the best gear off the AH or buy a carry through a Mythic or Heroic raid.
    It’s definitely sketchy that Tarisland lied, but I don’t love the argument of “why aren’t they just telling us it’s Pay To Win”… why isn’t Blizzard admitting that WoW is play to win?

    • @SpidMMO
      @SpidMMO  28 днів тому +2

      Wow never claimed p2w is forbidden, Tarisland is continuously using it as a slogan and in their marketing

    • @Bobcatz097
      @Bobcatz097 27 днів тому

      @@SpidMMOYup agreed and that is the sketchy part. My comment was mainly in response to everyone wanting Tarisland to admit they are P2W… Just like Blizzard, they will never admit that.
      They should stop using non P2W as a marketing campaign though lol.

    • @Xariann
      @Xariann 25 днів тому

      I said the same yesterday. I guess the ratio of time vs money spent will be what makes this feel fair (or not).

    • @quintit
      @quintit 23 дні тому

      Because the model to gearing from nothing to max in wow is not gated artificially with wow tokens in mind. Youd realistically have to spend thousands of dollars to fully gear from the AH in wow, when you can get a character to near max gear (atm 525-529) within 2-3 weeks of grinding keys.
      Plus, anyone dedicated to spending that much gold on bis boes are making that gold from boostng, not buying tokens. That, and the throughput gap between 520-528 is not that large, whereas in these legitimate p2w games, that gap is huge.

  • @truonglam1616
    @truonglam1616 27 днів тому

    Seasonal system, gem, empowerment. Sound familiar? It is Diablo Immortal in disguised

  • @jonnyboixu13
    @jonnyboixu13 29 днів тому +1

    Did that big boi warrior in your group named “rawr” p2w a bit in the CN version?

  • @laiaa9178
    @laiaa9178 29 днів тому

    if u get 2 drop from battle pass then its game breaking
    if normal player can only get 1 items per reset time and they can get 2x it is so broken
    and normal player cant buy it from crystal

    • @dievictoria93
      @dievictoria93 28 днів тому

      no, it's not game-breaking at all, all the stuff on the paid battle pass isn't something that could make u OP. It's just regular stuff and some skins. I was considering paying for the battle pass, but after I saw the rewards, they weren't worth my money. I could easily get those by just doing dailies.

    • @iH4rdstyle
      @iH4rdstyle 28 днів тому

      its just one item from whole battlepass, its nothing compared to amount of items you will loot/dismantle, like you will loot 100 items through season and 101 with battlepass

  • @_Frexil_
    @_Frexil_ 26 днів тому

    They did a good job, lets continue !

  • @AceBadguy
    @AceBadguy 27 днів тому

    Love your honest opinion here.

  • @hellodarkness5644
    @hellodarkness5644 26 днів тому

    Honestly, mmos without subscription models off the bat wears its actual worth on its sleeve.

  • @jacopofrega1349
    @jacopofrega1349 28 днів тому

    Even though saying there are p2w aspects in Taris Land is technically correct, i think it's unfair to the game in the current state. As of today, the advantages you can buy with money are so minor it is even questionable if they are worth the cost. Even in the market on chinese servers a clever player is able to obtain enough gold to get access to pretty much all the goodies for his character within a reasonable amount of time (2 weeks, maybe 3) without spending a dime.
    Things might change of course, and that is actually the thing that i am most worried about with "mobile mentality games", but as of right now, the game is objectively the most fair towards being free to play we have seen in... ever, really.

  • @epppics7812
    @epppics7812 26 днів тому

    how about the Elf Messenger Bag?

  • @Derael
    @Derael 26 днів тому +1

    So it's a "non-P2W game" with a F2P-P2W converter in the shop, got it.

  • @Toproller-
    @Toproller- 25 днів тому

    The game has no integrity, I would have just paid $30 subscription plus skins, but I don't think I will even give it a chance now. Just played the game and I was shocked at everything I see in the upgrade system.

  • @navzar0000
    @navzar0000 15 днів тому

    If you are a kid and you have alot of free time, you can get everything by just playing alot, but if you have a job you can just trade money for that time. Is a fair trade.

  • @reboot3d
    @reboot3d 28 днів тому

    Is it hard to grind gold?

  • @iwannadie9031
    @iwannadie9031 25 днів тому

    F2P is synonymous with P2W. The meta roach tactic has been to release a game wait for players to get invested then really push the P2W later.

  • @mykalight9129
    @mykalight9129 21 день тому

    The p2w isn’t the issue because those people carry you though hard dungeon most the time! But what I hate that it take so long to login and the repeated downloads even after I delete game same thing happens so frustrating.

  • @QuantumClicksDM
    @QuantumClicksDM 25 днів тому

    Had downloaded the game, now I won't waste my time thank you

  • @CesarMalaguti
    @CesarMalaguti 27 днів тому

    It look so much with Crusaders of Light!!

  • @kvnmatt21
    @kvnmatt21 24 дні тому

    Honestly even if its P2W ill still play it. Im not that competitive i just want a decent MMORPG, i hate auto gaming in mobile tbh

  • @deviluv85
    @deviluv85 22 дні тому

    I don't understand why people who expect game company to do charity spends millions create a game just to earn by selling skins/monthly tickets? The company need to earn. Face it. Every game company does.

  • @Kinvesu
    @Kinvesu 22 дні тому

    Google and Apple need to do something about all the fake game ads. It's out of control. 99% of the game ads now are just made up gameplay or cgi playthrough that has nothing to do with the actual game.

  • @ReadGameCraftCook
    @ReadGameCraftCook 26 днів тому

    I was going to try it until you said the word "season". Thanks for the info.

  • @LudoAntheunissens-xi8kc
    @LudoAntheunissens-xi8kc 28 днів тому

    Next season prolly they add pets that give you stats which also you can get more chance to be epic or
    Legendary if u pay for it ,.. after that it is gear for those pets etcetcetc go’s on and on and on at the end end game there will be people running around with double
    Gearscore compared to non pay to win players and we will be one more disappointment richer …. Was so tempted to start this but I think I better get me a pc and go back to some old freeshard servers with WaR or DaoC on them .

  • @MrKained123
    @MrKained123 24 дні тому

    OG tarisland was friggin awesome. Didn't put in a penny and I had tons of awesome stuff. Really high level. They seem to have gut the game...

  • @philng.3848
    @philng.3848 28 днів тому

    What crystals are for? And who buys crystals? Seem like you need golds for everything

  • @Sloppyjoe96
    @Sloppyjoe96 26 днів тому

    if buying gold is all it is thats fine with me aslong as its also obtainable by grinding in game i hate when they have things you need that are blocked behind pay walls, like if thats pay to win so is osrs when you buy bonds lmao every mmo has a way to buy gold

  • @MyLifeMyFitnessMyWorld
    @MyLifeMyFitnessMyWorld 29 днів тому

    Still going play every game is p2w so I don’t mind

  • @SnowWhiteTsL
    @SnowWhiteTsL 21 день тому

    The p2w aspect is insanely expensive with seasons and all plus it helps f2p players advance and get these bonuses as well. I don't have any problem with it

  • @ichigoichie369
    @ichigoichie369 26 днів тому

    For me, the unplayable pay to win is when you get an item by paying that is stronger than other items you can get for free by playing. So paying gives you an advantage over free to play which the f2p players cannot reach no matter how much they play. Thats why I like mobas cause it is all about the hands and brain and not the pockets.
    I don’t mind that you can get all items just by playing only that paying gets you there faster.

  • @kamm3021
    @kamm3021 25 днів тому

    Seasons thing ruined it
    Losing weeks of progress is a big no

  • @supacheeksc6330
    @supacheeksc6330 29 днів тому

    Are thy gonna have NA severs? Everyone starts at lvl 1?

    • @beatminister69
      @beatminister69 26 днів тому

      nah bro everyone starts at full gear endlevel and quit after 20 minutes

    • @benjamintaylor9857
      @benjamintaylor9857 25 днів тому

      Yes and yes. Launchs about 13 hours after this comment.

  • @ahmedtaha1420
    @ahmedtaha1420 16 днів тому

    well i am playing the game almost you can say i am maxed out till they increase the cap but i think most of players miss understand p2w
    basicly P2W is when i go buy something from the shop and makes me 100 time stronger than you and u can't even grind to get that what that been said
    i played this game since the global release totally full release i have over 5k gold and 2k crystals and i can't even use it to be better than anyone else so basically it's not p2w it's pay to progress which means i don't want to gather or anything i will just get gold and buy whatever that's just lazy
    so i cant say any type of P2w in this game so please before posting video make sure what u saying is right GL

  • @IrvinQuail
    @IrvinQuail 26 днів тому

    Thans for video.

  • @Genesis.Duriel
    @Genesis.Duriel 25 днів тому +1

    I Miss the days when devs didn't lie.

    • @deviluv85
      @deviluv85 22 дні тому

      Face it. Company still have to make money to provide updates and pay staff. If it is really 100% just earning by people buying skins it will shut down in 3 months

  • @MegaFootDude
    @MegaFootDude 25 днів тому

    Can't say I'm surprised. Whenever I see a free to play MMO., this kind of stuff is expected. At the end of the day though I'm not going to be giving them any money. I just want to dip my toes into a new MMO for a bit.
    And for what it's worth, paying money to the dev to get a special currency to then convert it into in-game currency isn't all that bad, because every MMO is going to have gold farmers, and those gold farmers are going to sell the gold for real world money. It's an inescapable consequence for having an MMO. By the devs having their own way to do this undercuts the farmer's efforts. It's only slightly, but it's not nothing.

  • @TyroneisWhite
    @TyroneisWhite 28 днів тому

    So like lost ark.
    Nbd youre still playing it, so ill still play it.
    Looks good for a busy person

  • @Kyle0787
    @Kyle0787 28 днів тому +2

    In their defence (very minor defence) they will say that you can’t buy gear directly from the crystals in the shop, which by the sounds of it is correct. However, they’re not being completely transparent with how you can obtain gold via selling the crystals. I think it’s something they can get away with tbh, but proper transparency would be better

  • @TheSlaske
    @TheSlaske 28 днів тому

    I get your point to some extend, imo there is no p2w if gear dosent matter in pvp. What are you winning? The pve race? wow who cares. Progress then? Then its p2 progress faster. And basicly all MMORPG's the last 25 years have more or less the same method as described here. (not all from launch, but got to this place at some point)
    I get this is a matter of percepsition, but imo, you making a big deal ouf of nothing :)
    Thx for you content in general

  • @danielsicko8593
    @danielsicko8593 28 днів тому

    Albion Online is similar pay2win. My only issue is that Battlegrounds are not fair like Arenas.

  • @iJokester
    @iJokester 29 днів тому

    Absolutely.

  • @12QUESTION
    @12QUESTION 28 днів тому

    for me Pay to Win means Advantages in PvP arena or if theres PK area in the open. if you cant kill me with all your real-cash boosted character then its fine for me. its their money anyway. as f2p myself ill just enjoy the raids and equalized PvP arena.