Double Bass Drumming - Learning The Ankle Technique
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- Опубліковано 13 тра 2021
- Howdy all!
You may (or may not) have noticed I've been absent from the channel lately.
The reason for this is not that I haven't been drumming but that I have had to really focus on learning this technique as creating covers really was taking up the majority of my practice time.
I always said this channel would include learning new techniques and becoming a better drummer and this is a big step towards that.
I hope this video gives you an insight into what happens behind the scenes.
Enjoy.
I’ve been playing double bass pretty much my whole life. Trying this technique made me feel like a failure.. I don’t want to hear about someone’s struggles, but I think it’s important that a video like this was put out. You are the first person to say hey, you know what? This takes time, and we can relate to what it’s like to struggle w/ this technique. I’ll buckle down and be patient, thank you so much for making this vid bro. You’ve helped a lot of people❤️
What a lovely comment, thank you very much.
It does indeed take time and there's always another challenge around the corner; the best drummers in the world still have challenges and goals. I believe the trick is to make sure you are always striving to improve.
This is prob the Best and Most Accurate comment on a video about learning Double Bass pedals
Hey. Ive been training this since August 2023, about 3 times/week. And now in febuary 2024 im almost at the point where i can play with both feets together. I feel so happy coming to this point, it almost feel like it must be downhill from here :) But how some people could manage this in 7-9 weeks is a mystery to me. I will be 50 in may…and i hope to be more solid with this technic by then. That would be the ultimate 50 year gift to my self. Never quit.
@@andreaswessling2676Dont believe that 7-9weeks bullshit at all! This must be for 5% of 1500 students they have maybe... 9 months is more accurate!
I hate that unethical wrong fantasy marketing, only destroys attitude and sets wrong expectations.
@@andreaswessling2676 u can do anything u want, if you really want it. no compromise.
This is very encouraging. It’s very helpful to hear about the struggles and failures of learning new techniques because I am having many myself and there’s a strong temptation to give up and live at my current plateau.
Don't give up!
We all feel that way sometimes but it is the people who work through those moments that start to see the results they are looking for.
Don't forget - if it were easy everyone would be doing it!
I was so astonished as I watched your video and saw my own experience reflected in the exact same manner.
The hardest part about learning the ankle technique for me has been letting myself relax to the needed degree. It's counterintuitive. But it flows well when I relax my knees and hips, and think from my heel instead of front ankle/shin muscle. Most certainly an acquired and easy to underestimate technique- when done well it Looks like so little is being done.
This exactly. I had a huge breakthough just today. I don't have the muscle memory, so I currently start at an uncontrolled twitch one foot at a time. I slowly relax and the twitch becomes a solid, steady rhythm. then I incorporate a simple beat
Although I think I'm actually using my shin muscles instead of my calf...
you can definitely tell if you are using your shin or not as it will start to fatigue
This is the most Accurate amd Honest description of what it takes to learn the skill....
...from day1, to playing the pedals smooth and "on time" .
AWESOME !!, THANKS...keep the vids coming .
This is great! I've had a double bass pedal for months and I'm just now realizing that my technique was wrong and inefficient. Learning the proper technique, I realized that I have a ton of work and muscle conditioning. Keep up the great work!
Is great how you shows us in such honest way your journey. I went for a similar path and If you allow me, to run fast most important thing is to know how run slow, slow with groove and power, that way your muscles will learn the motion with accuracy and will get strong to hit hard. Why would you want to go faster without groove and power??
Excellent video Mr. Thank you.
Very good and helpful video, man. Thank you.
thank you so much for making this video, i enjoyed it and this is exactly what's going on to me rn.
No boring at all I thought I was alone on this and you video helped me to reconsider my technique and work on it thanks so much 😊
I think I understand the idea of ankle technique finally, thank you.
thanks for sharing this video,really useful,especially for me!
you are most welcome and thank you for your comment! I am glad you find it useful
No, that wasn't boring at all, that was very helpfull! I'm at the point where i'm able achieve about 190 to 200 bpm with my left foot but my right pedal is so bouncy that it's very difficult to control. Guess i need more practice-time. And your video is pure motivation. Thanks a lot!
ヤバい！That's awesome. I'm motivated. I `ll stick it！
Nice one dude! Well done. Hard work pays off 💪🏽stick at it....
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This was a GREAT lesson. Thank you mate
Ah I'm glad you found it useful. You're very welcome
This is sick! We need more journey videos like this! Cheers mate!
You're welcome and thank you for saying so
I’m at those tough beginning stages right now after trying to learn for like 2 years on and off with no progress. Seeing your video makes me wanna dedicate the proper time to learning. Thanks man.
Dedication is the only way, I had to practice 1 hour 4 times per week to see significant progress. Good luck and keep the faith!
The fact that my video is giving you motivation to dedicate time towards achieving a goal is awesome - thank you.
Great video. Finally after so many years seing videos I saw someone talking about the biggest problem of double bass to me. The unison's.
Please keep taking about that.
I tried to change my technique to heel/toe to avoid the unison's. With ankle motion I can't make my Beats being defined. I can make an good run or a super crap. Continue to talk about hard times.
Thank you for your comment and I'm glad my video has helped, even if it just as something to relate to!
I stopped struggling so much to go past 220 when i moved my seat quite close, switch my feet up to the end of the pedal when going fast and switching back, adjusted seat height correctly, adjusting how i sit like kind of in the middle between the actual middle of the seat and the edge when going fast, adjust spring tension to max but keep beaters not too high, made the beater angle quite far back just before the point where it can hit you if you let it go to much, made sure there was enough leg room so i could swivel if i needed to, use quite light beaters.
Consistency though and power are the most important imo, if you can't play it slow then you'll struggle a bit more playing fast.
Another good tip is don't be afraid to get frustrated lol. It will happen, just embrace the frustration.
The kind of videos we need!
here to compare results and can say I've been experiencing most of the same things so it's reassuring to know I'm on the right path. thank you
Thank you for your sharing， I just started to learn ankle motion to help to play fast double bass ， but I found it’s really hard. I will put more time on it!
it is hard but I believe anyone can achieve it with enough time and dedication!
This video is amazing that is exactly my problem is what you did to example what you were doing wrong
Thanks a lot for sharing this feedback, I'm quite at the same step : I can do it but it's almost impossible to properly start right away, I need a long warm up before. Perseverance is the key 🔥
I can start straight away now every time no problem but I was at that stage of needing a long warm up beforehand for ages, so I'm sure you will get there eventually.
My current challenge is keeping consistent double bass whilst playing with my hands. Progress is slow but there is progress so I keep trying every day I can.
You are correct - perseverance is key :)
Thanks a lot This video is my motivation 🤘🔥🔥🔥
The fact that my video has helped motivate you means a lot
good video man, gives me hope to keep at my direct drive pedals, credit to you
Ah thank you for saying that, very kind. I started off with chain driven pedals but do prefer to direct drives for sure
loved the small funny bits on top of the actually helpful stuff
Thank you, I'm glad you enjoyed it!
The main issue is starting with your heel too high. it doesn't matter if the quads are isolated tension or moving with the ankle what matters is that with the heel up, your calf is in a half contracted state so you only have half the control of the section of the limb and half the ability to create the same springing force you would use from jumping when standing with the knees locked. Start from a fully stretched position with the heel closer to the ground. In this video you can see your progress is marked by how high your heel was when starting the beater swing. No, I'm not as good a drummer as the pros, but I am an expert in anatomy so hope this helps in the future.
Thank you for the advice, I have taken this on board.
@@MartmanLangdrum glad I could help. An other extra.. Lots of douchy guys w online lessons are saying it's the gastrocnemus being used as the "calf" muscle but it's really the soleus as the gastroc is only dominant when the knee is in extension. You can't truly flex your calf with your knee at 90*... try it... It's the muscle behind it that's doing the real work. Hopefully this will give you a geek edge in conversations dealing with these guys or maybe you'll figure out a better method no one thought of yet and I'll come back and steal it 😉
I am are basically at the same stage - able to make both feet quite ok, with nice single stokes - but next step (starting properly in a accurate beat) seems to be a entire journey that I sometimes feel discouraged for…
Thanks for your videos
It was relieving to hear that you also had the issue of unison hits. When I first started (just a couple weeks ago) that was the case, but as I keep practicing even 5 minutes a day they're starting to sound cleaner. I've always leaned towards heel up, so this seems like a good technique to nail down!
the unison hits are tricky at first for sure
As a drummer and guitarist I must say that relying too much on double kick technique is not the only thing to focus on.In the end it's about music and the corresponding dynamics.
Whilst an accurate comment, that's not what this video is for. This video is about learning a specific technique, not what to focus on as a musician. Thank you for the comment though.
It's a long journey for us all. Don't give up dude!
Thank you!
Thanks for sharing the trodden path rather than just flaunting
you are really welcome and thank you for the comment
My journey is looking similar to yours, and the unison strokes part is especially relatable. I can currently comfortably do 210-ish with both feet (separately), but have trouble combining them without breaking the technique and using shin muscles for some reason. I also am having trouble using ankle technique outside of just sitting there with one foot on at a time, like I can't bust it out mid playing if that makes sense. Seeing someone struggle similarly is huge motivation to keep on trucking, so thank you for this video!
Same here, the unison kicks were the biggest issue. As I kept practicing I developed better control. Hope it's all worked out for ya.
Yep - there are so many barriers with learning this. You can master it whilst just sitting there but it is a whole extra level of skill to play anything whilst using the rest of the kit - I am currently trying to improve this every day
What a good video!
I tried to do the doublebass mastery course from Marthyn (And I got so frustrated cuz my right leg just cramped up and I simply couldnt swing the beater relaxed with my ankle.)
I had to start swinging the right pedal (Heeldown!) and try to get the mind-muscle connection to work better with my right ankle/calf. I have got a little bit of progress and that keeps my kind of motivated.
My left foot works perfectly and the ankletechnique is "pretty" easy.
Damn I get so much motivation to continue this struggle (I've been so close to quit drumming cuz of the frustration) Thx for this video.
Exactly the same here. My left does it effortlessly from 140 to 180 bpm. My right just cramps and doesn't want to do anything besides some crazy nervous twitch that's completely uncontrollable and seems to stay at 230bpm without any chance to change the tempo. So completely useless. I can't do anything currently and it's so frustrating.
@@king-manu2758 I had the same issue with my left foot and I tried beater weights. This helped me a little bit to control the pedal, but this little bit allowed me to unblock the situation a keep progressing a bit every day.
@@king-manu2758 Hi mate! Have you been getting any progress with ankletechnique? I'm finally getting good results, and I can now play 150-160bpm without any problems.
@@SamiK1989 yeah I've been making progress with my right. My left has improved even more so it's mostly effortless. However my right I feel still wants to involve the upper leg a bit. I'm looking to totally isolating the ankle from any upper leg muscle work.
@@king-manu2758 Awesome! I’ve finally found the right settings for me to start progressing with the ankletechnique.
Thanks for the video! I feel your pain... Haha! Damn unison strikes! It's all in the slow powerful strikes to get to the quick accurate ones I think. Been work good for me since my left foot mastered the technique before my right, I lead with my left just had a 3 strike kinda triplet thing... Haha! for a couple measures and then try to put both feet together. Maybe this will help you and someone else too.
Nice man. Cool to see people working through the process, as I feel the struggle too. I feel like I can’t get it while everybody else does epic double bass lol
Just keep at it man, these things take time. There is a very small minority of people who pick it up naturally, for most of us it requires many hours of commitment.
Great video thanks, I watched Marthyns video today as well. Made some new progress today.
Nice work!
Oh man, it's like I'm watching myself! The frustration with the unison hits, those momentary flashes of happiness when the hits randomly alternate and it sounds right, only to degenerate in unison again as the phase shifts! It's terrible!
Too true!
Thanks for sharing !! I am able to do 150bpm double bass using full leg motion with a lot of consistency. Sadly i am noy at able to go any higher.... So i am trying this technique and i have had the exact same process as you. Right now im having the same issue you had at 5:20 . This video gives me hope. Thanks a lot
You can do it!
@@MartmanLangdrum thanks!
Keep it up! I’m about to buy a double peddle. Wish me luck!
You can do it!
i’m slightly ahead of this in terms of double bass learning and something that i’ve found helps me (won’t necessarily help you but hey try it out) is using my hips to lift instead of my knees combined with ankle movement and it smoothens everything out a little. still a little choppy ofc but the feel is definitely there
I'll give it a go, thanks!
Nice Video, i had exactly the same problems as you
I bought my double pedal a few months ago and it's been really hard to overcome that 160 - 170 bpm limit, recently I started to practice in a similar way as you do it, I hope it works for me as is doing it for you. Good video!
Thank you kindly - how's the progress this past month?
@@MartmanLangdrum It is still work in progress I am improving but slowly. I am a little bit faster now, I get to do 185bpm songs but I don’t have enough stamina to keep a gig with that intensity
@@MartmanLangdrum now I am able to do 180 giving my best but I am starting to see the progress. I think the beater for the dw5000 I have is too heavy, I want to try it with less heavy beaters and see if I can go faster
@@hipotalamo555 I started with dw beaters and also found them heavy
Hello Martman! I'm learning how to play drums seeing some videos here on UA-cam, including your videos. In this video you show very well the ankle technique. I notice that you play the drum pedals without shoes. Do you think that playing in the drum pedals with no shoes allow a better contact between the foot and the drum pedal? Do you recommend it?
Hi, thank you for your comment.
For me personally I do find that wearing no shoes whilst playing helps me with getting a better response, as you suggest. I would say however that it is a personal preference and many drummers find equal success in shoes.
I would recommend trying both and seeing what feels most comfortable for you.
Same problem with me. Hard to do, very hard. Have to dribble with foot like dribbling a basketball. Super hard to control. Lots of dedication.
Managed to master heel toe, now been at it with ankle technique for 2 months, getting there……..Lots of unison strokes like you showed. Super interesting to see how and where you are at. I’ll keep following! Hard work…. The only way.
Exactly, dedication is the key! I work out double bass pedal at least 1 hour 4 times per week, this is the only way to make some progress.
I am the same - started off with heel-toe but then wanted to learn singles. thank you for your comment and keep at it! :)
Yes I do something similar - I try to get on the kit every day and dedicate a certain amount of practice time just to double bass technique each session
Hey Martman, great video. I currently am faced with the exact same issues that you addressed in this video. When you first started doing the ankle technique, did it feel like a really broad, strong twitch. Like nearly uncontrollable except around certain tempi? You stated it was hard to adjust tempos and go slower, so I assume maybe that is the same challenge I'm facing as well. If that is the case, what have you done so far to help separate your feet from playing unison all the time or randomly, and gain control? Did you just sit and twitch away for hours until you felt the feeling of control, or were you able to find a strategy to over come that. I've been drumming for nearly 15 years, been teaching drums for about 6 years. Been using double bass since I started but have been on and off with practicing double bass, due the fact of quitting and re-trying because I've been consistently hitting the same walls. Have practiced every technique possible known the drumming world, yet I'm still behind a wall of 115 bpm. If I try to go any faster, my ankle's resort to that broad twitching motion. If you have any hints or tips you're willing to share, to over come this I'd be extremely appreciative.
Good questions. I was at this exact same stage and I feel your frustration.
Yes, when I first started it felt like a twitch - like a muscle spasm with zero control. Now I am able to control it more with my calf but this did not come easily. I remember watching videos which said to go slower you have to contract your calf slower but this didn't feel possible. Even now I still have a lot of improvement to make on this. It does simply come with practice - I think it helps to dedicate time to only this. I basically didn't do any other drumming for months and only focussed on this. I also feel like concentrating your mind on your calf the whole time helps.
Ultimately there is nothing I can advise for you other than stick with it, keep trying, and eventually it will come.
What can also help with separating the unison strokes is to do constant singles with one foot and then try to slot in off-beat hits with your other foot. Like 16ths with one foot and slot in 8ths with the other. It will help train your mind and body to get used to play not in unison.
Great video! I never know if I’m doing it right tbh but ‘think’ I am
What spring tension are you using?
medium -> high
i’ll have to try this out. these are the exact same problems i’m having. great video thanks!
you're welcome and thank you for the comment
Awesome video! It’s same on me…I’m stocked on 5:10 part…no evolution after that…I’m almost giving up!!!! Omggggf
Those unison strokes are the worst! Stick with it man, it's often when you are ready to give up which is when you will have a breakthrough, that's why so many people quit, because it's difficult to go beyond that barrier
@@MartmanLangdrum Yeap!!! Ill keep trying for sure! thanks dude!!
Hey Martin, check you out! Lovin’ the content. Saw your Bro on Sunday and he let me know about you channel. All the best G.
Have you hooked up with Joe Lazarus yet?
I see him occasionally at family events :)
Ah awesome, thank you!
This video is me at the moment! Can't play them separately, any update videos on how u managed to do this?
Shannon Lucas does a great video on developing this. Think its on UA-cam under the title Shanno Lucas foot technique.
Thank you
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I’m in the exact same boat right now. Hitting at the same time etc. How are things now and did that course you took solve your issues? I have 3 months to get 16ths at 170. I’m at about 130. I’ll do whatever it takes!:)
Sorry for late reply - have you seen any improvement? The course helped with starting out but ultimately it comes down to yourself. If you are at 130 I would assume this is not with the ankle technique.
This is funny, because all of what you are telling I´ve been and still struggling with....I´m about to pass the stage where I feel good using both feet, but sometimes the Unisone thing comes up, which I´m already feeling a big improvement these last weeks. By the way, let me tell you I´ve been trying to master this ankle techniek already for more than 2 years!!
I'm glad to hear that you got over that barrier and are now seeing improvement! Thank you for sharing. The unison thing creeps in for me sometimes too when I am playing with my hands at the same time but I am improving there too. These things just take time! :)
I love this video. I've been in such a bad place with my drumming for a long time. I've been trying this technique for a while. Drum Academy is awesome, but, NOWHERE can I see how someone actually STARTS developing this technique. They say "ankle, hip calf blah blah and soon you'll feel comfortable at 180-200 BPM". WHAT?? How does it look when first trying?? This video is perfect for showing someone struggling at the very start. I had a huge breakthrough today with this. I have zero muscle memory for it yet, so I start at a twitch and within a minute I have solid, steady hits (with one foot). One thing though, I can't seem to do it well in the middle of the baord. My foot keeps migrating to the very front of the board. I wonder if I need to change something?
I think you could sit a bit closer, it worked fine for me to stay stable this way
wow, I am so happy my video helped you with a breakthrough, truly. I wouldn't worry too much about your foot placement, everyone is different and you might feel more comfortable with your foot closer to the front. One thing I would say is make sure you aren't leaning back - this will cause more problems later if you are.
Great video. Try Holy Wars by Megadeth. Some different double bass in there.
I have been wondering about this... I have a set of Black Widows and have been putting my feet completely on the board. The one thing I am having trouble with though is laying into the batter head when I go half way up/down the board. I can get a better ankle motion and more power when I go halfway up and sort of raise my hip flexors. I dunno... am I doing something wrong? I have been at this for about 2 months now and am not seeing any progress.
It's hard to say from your description - maybe post a video? I'm no expert mind.
Great video thank you so much! I feel so stuck with this that I'm thinking "I just can't do this..." but I really don't want to give up. I'm at the point that I'm using my toes to move the pedal and that is so wrong. Did you have this problem too?
Yep I tried it all. I very nearly gave up a few times too. It's frustrating to feel like you have wasted your time at the kit and not achieved anything, but I'm sure you can get it like I did! Keep at it man, once you get it there's no looking back
@@MartmanLangdrum thanks!!! I'll keep trying 🤘🏻
This is fuckin useful bro
Great video and sweet Rotting Christ Tshirt
So, were you getting pain in the hip flexor? A lot of rock players say they can't get enough power from ankle strokes. Do you think you can get the power, and any ankle pain?..thanks
I do tend to get pain in the hip flexor after a while but it is also impossible to reach very high bpm without using some other technique. I can do ankle technique for 3 hours straight and feel no pain in the ankle at all. The power is an issue yes which is why a lot of players doing over 200bpm will use triggers, however I am sure with enough practice you could generate additional power using the ankle technique.
Nice job! which socks give the highest speed?
XD
Ones with grip perhaps..? Sometimes if my socks are too thin my feet legit slide down the pedals hah
Hey! I was curious when you did the double bass mastery if you were able to send them videos and the instructors give you feedback?
Hi :) Yes they do indeed, extremely helpful
@@MartmanLangdrum well now it looks like you have to pay for that...
@@Firefrostdrums yeah so with bass drum mastery you pay once and that's it, you can watch the videos as many times as you like. If you sign up for drum technique academy there is an annual charge. I paid for one year with DTA
Hello sir. I also get stuck often with the beaters hitting in unison.. Any advice on how to get them separated? Also when you practice are you able to play at slower tempos? Its so so hard to slow this technique down to get a good long stretch of practice time
Hi Dan! I'm afraid I don't have any trick to separating the beaters other than dedicated practice time focused on literally just that. Start out without doing anything with your hands as it is harder to separate the feet (I have found) when you are playing the rest of the kit at the same time.
The slowest I can play the ankle technique is 150bpm - others can do it as slow as 130bpm but I am not able to do that yet. I use the flat foot technique for tempos up to and including 140bpm. On my best day I was able to do the flat foot technique at 160bpm so there is a bit of a crossover which comes in handy if my legs are too tired to do flat foot well.
With regards to long stretches of practice time, I find I can use the ankle technique for hours at a time at a fast tempo because it doesn't use any large muscle groups and so is not very taxing. Start at a tempo you find comfortable and try to slow it down over time.
Good luck, with time and dedication you will start to see results!
@@MartmanLangdrum thanks for the response. Do you think its worth it to buy Marthyns bass drum lessons or will practicing on my own be sufficient?
Same here I can't get them separated. It's been a good while I've been trying and no luck.
I’m kind of at that point now, I can hold a solid ankle motion to the metronome at 200bpm with an even stroke in each foot separately but when I try to put my feet together it’s a mess.
Any tips on how to work on putting them together, any techniques you practiced. How did it start to come together?
I can't suggest anything other than practice time. Also make sure to take rest days! It can be amazing how you progress just by resting.
@@MartmanLangdrum thanks for your response, since the time of that post my feet have come together nicely, it was like a piece of the puzzle snapped into place one day and ever sense I can get ‘em going without much trouble, they work together like feet on a bicycle pedal.
I agree about the days off, they’re just as crucial to the over all development as the work days. Have fun drumming brother!
How does your bass drum not get pushed away from your pedal without having the clamp on the hoop?
How do you separate the legs? I can do right or left without a problem but have been trying for about 4 months without being able to separate, I do something similar, both feets doing the same, I can only separate at 170bpm but full leg motion, can you give me some tips, please?
What can help with separating the unison strokes is to do constant singles with one foot and then try to slot in off-beat hits with your other foot. Like 16ths with one foot and slot in 8ths with the other. It will help train your mind and body to get used to play not in unison.
Wow! It's like a counselling session for frustrated drummers down in the comments here lol. For real though.. I've been trying to achieve this for the better part of 3 years and achieved nothing honestly. Did you use the method of thinking of rasing/lowering your heel that Marthyn suggests when learning the ankle technique?
Haha thanks for the comment, made me chuckle!
There's more than enough negativity on the internet already, the scales need to be balanced somewhere so why not here? :D
To be honest I tried the raising/lowering thing for ages and it did nothing for me at all. I intentionally didn't mention it in this video for that reason. My hope was that trying it this way might show an alternative to some people who are struggling like I was.
How you can achieve consistency between 2 pedals??How much time you spend??
Lots and lots of practice time
I had the exact some problems for years and I still haven't fixed them.
5:09 😂😅 that’s exactly what happens to me great video
I was basically doing only feet for about 3 years before slowly gaining more control with the ankles.. Still not sure if im doing it right tho
it's hard to say without seeing a video but I would say once you do get it down it starts to feel more natural
I have a fully 100% the same situation only my speed is 95 bpm :D and with the left leg, I still have a hard to maintain non-stop action.
Very depressing situation but I really want to learn a fast double base. :D I guess with chain double pedal (iron cobra) it's harder than direct drive no?
Do you mean 195bpm? Because if not I wouldn't recommend trying the ankle technique at 95bpm, that would be far too slow.
It certainly can be depressing but getting through those stages is a part of the learning experience, these things simply take time. Keep practicing and I'm sure you will start to see results :)
I'm not sure if it is easier to do with chain-driven or direct drive as I haven't tried to do it with a chain-driven pedal since learning it. I will say I think it is more down to technique over equipment but I could be proven wrong.
@@MartmanLangdrum 95 (ninety five) bpm :D But with leg motion I can max 80bpm but normally 75bmp (with left foot) but with left foot I can get faster with ankle (if I was able to get non-stop action) but with right foot it seems to go hard from 95bpm. I am also trying to learn heel toe technique.
@@MartmanLangdrum Yeah maybe I am just feel that my chain left pedal is stiffer so I always start training with right pedal for left foot.
When you have a metronome going, with one foot, are you doing 4 hits between each click or 2 hits? It's really not possible to do the ankle technique at 90bpm, unless you are counting 4 hits which would mean you are really doing 180bpm.
The "slide" technique and the "heal toe" technique
What about them? XD
Hey dudu, just wanna know, is this the natural contraction you are using in this technique?
It is a natural contraction of the calf muscle but with an element of control at the same time. So the calf will contract naturally but then you control the speed of that contraction.
@@MartmanLangdrum hi, thanks for the reply,, could you let me know how to control it? When I start to do it, it randomly starts contracting and then gets stopped automatically,,again it starts to happen and gets stopped....
Is this how it is? Am I doing it right?
That's how it starts but then you will learn to control it over time. Move your foot back on the board to create a larger beater swing then create the "random twitching" again. You should then feel the difference. Work your way from there. It shouldn't stop automatically though, make sure you are relaxed and your muscles aren't tense.
Are you able to perform this technique with a NON-direct drive pedal?
Yea I tried it briefly just to see and works the same
Keep it up. Keep pushing the tempo snd resist triggers as much as possible.
I have been resisting triggers as much as possible but I got my first serioua noise complaint from a neighbour recently so I may have to switch to a mesh head and triggers...
What are your pedal settings for this??
Medium to high
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Same problem here.
This is the ADHD foot tap I specialise in. Transferring that foot tap to the double has been relatively easy for me, but my timing looks exactly like yours, which I am sure you've probably mastered by now.
you dont have adhd
@@YOUARESOFT. despite having been diagnosed with it, I actually agree. 😂
@@stevetait2772 glad your not a sucker , just don’t take meds and you will be fine , doctors love to diagnose the soft, they get kickbacks , medicating the youth is a problem
1:10 is pretty fast man. If you develop that + triggers you will be flying
Hey Dude, I'm like you. I also went to Marthyn's Drum Technique Academy and learned the Basic Motion. But I can't control the tempo, even if I move my foot further back or use a beaterweight. My Beaterswing is AWESOME big, but without any control of the fucking Tempo. Do you have any news about the Ankle Motion? What is the current state of affairs? Mario sends greetings from Germany
If your beater swing is massive then try doing it with some added pressure from your leg. Exactly the same motion with the ankle but with added pressure from above will shorten the swing and help control the tempo
I been trying for two years i have days i can and days my anlkes are dead starting and stopping and 150to170 is my nightmare its been hell so far i stil suck
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I've tried fast DB for a long time, but I suppose it's just for me. I never felt comfortable playing fast strokes with my feet, somehow it doesn't feel right. I always cramp up, can't reach the desired speed, going from "controlled" to uncontrolled twitching randomly, awful timing, no even strokes, playing unison most of the time. It just sucks big time. It never felt good to me, so screw it, no more fast DB for me. Maybe I just lack the necessary motoric connections between the brain and the feet. I guess some people (like me) simply are not made for this kind of thing.
Well, all I can see is that I used to feel the same way but managed to figure it out in the end.
It took a long time and I had to go through a lot of frustrating times sitting at the kit to get there but it is doable.
Just think - if others can do it then why not you?
If this really doesn't work for you then maybe look into doing doubles instead like heel-toe or swivel. There's no right or wrong way to do something. If you are producing the sound you want then who cares how you do it?
Good luck Mr Percussion Pete.
@@MartmanLangdrum Thanx man, I appreciate it. Maybe I should take a time out and try again later. Everything I ever tried out on the drumset somehow felt good after a while of practicing. You get out of it what you put into it. That's why drumming always gave me so much pleasure and fulfillment. Every time I pushed my limits a bit further and it was always a lot of fun. But quite honestly trying to play fast DB never gave me any pleasure. I never had the idea that I was moving forward and I always ended up with a feeling of frustration and negative energy. For me that was the moment that I thought: That's it. No more endless struggling with those damn pedals anymore.
But again, thanx for your reaction man, I hope you'll achieve your DB goals.
You overthink 😂
Always have done haha