I`ve reached my goals with the Ankle Motion Double Bass Technique! Here you see the results and get some tips. Enjoy! ► Online Drum School: www.wanjanechtangroeger.com/bundles/nds ► My Drumming Equipment: www.wanjanechtangroeger.com/pages/drummingequipment ► Instagram: instagram.com/wanjanechtangroeger ► Part 1: ua-cam.com/video/RKg74JveZfU/v-deo.html ► Part 2: ua-cam.com/video/EQt9jaQaE3Q/v-deo.html
Hi wanja, eine Frage: Ich brauch ein neues Schlagzeug, weil Teile meines jetzigen geliehen sind und ich diese Teile bald zurückgeben muss. Ich wollte sowieso schon länger vorne drei toms statt zwei haben und wollte dich fragen wo du dein Schlagzeug gekauft hast? Ist in deiner Equipment liste nicht ersichtlich. Also es geht nicht um Becken oder Ständer, sondern um Bassdrum, Flortom und eben drei Tomtoms.
I recently did something similar. I stopped playing my weird flat foot technique (top speed around 250-260bpm) to developing the swivel technique and now I am able to play more comfortably for longer periods of time. I got a lot of constant practice ahead to get up to my target 260bpm. I couldn't agree more with practicing longer runs at lower bpm. This has helped me so much compared to my old practice routine.
@@nigelproctor cool dude. Yeh its the pressure swivel that is really starting to be the game changer for me. I found focusing on just one foot separately at a time made a big difference in development. That's awesome you can pull off the super speed alternate wanja feet.. Lol i could never do it. I failed miserably.
Ваня, you look excited and happy! So this is a pleasant achievement for you! 👍 Waiting for 400 bpm double bass, when you merge all technics you own. (a joke)
Congratulations for reaching your goals, it was fun to follow your progress! I did that beginner thing last year, returning to the heel down technique that I had dropped several years ago because my then new band environment required more power. Still, double bass with my heels up remained uncomfortable for me, plus my ankle motion sounded sloppy and I couldn't keep the time for more than 10 seconds from 130 bpm upward. Since I play in a Heavy Stoner Rock band I need neither fast tempos nor long sequences on double bass, but I wanted to perform the short to mid-length passages which I do play with vigor and ease. So my goal was to be able to play 16th notes at 160 bpm for at least one minute straight - and the way from 60 to 110 bpm did not take long, but I was stuck there for months at semi-loud 16ths for three minutes. That is, until today: I tried out the ankle motion, just for the fun of it, and suddenly I was playing a clean, powerful, easy one-minute roll of 16ths at 130 bpm! That feeling of triumph that only a beginner can enjoy! ;) Now I'm set for the remaining 30 bpm and I'll continue my tedious weekly heel down routine (plus a few rounds of ankle motion to loosen things up once in a while). Long story short, I can definitely confirm what you said in the video: Practicing long sequences develops your stamina (and control). And I may add from my own experience that a different technique can help you better your actual technique. :) Keep up the good work!
Thanks for this insight! Yes, heel down definetly helps a lot with ankle motion - it also helps with my heel-toe single strokes when the upstroke is too weak.
Yeah it's way better to do slow training and mix it with the fast, short bursts, and also once you achieve a certain speed, do endurance training at those speeds.
hell yeah dude! congrats, im learning drums and can play a weird version of double stroke double bass similar to yours! ive gotta learn single strokes though! your vids have been of great help!
don't forget u have not ankle only but the whole leg, so try using all your leg but just a bit and it will give much more attack, also u should just try to use heel-up for ankle motion
Working over long time periods of quick burst makes you better in general. Don't say it doesnt. Tension activation is key. If it feels easy make it hard until it's easy.
tiago001pessoa While heel-toe single strokes is good for speed, it feels awkward at slower. This where ankle motion comes in. It’s a lot easier or more natural at mid tempos.
I will still use my established technique. Ankle Motion is an addition. You`ll find more info about it in the first 2 parts of the Ankle Motion learning process: ► Part 1: ua-cam.com/video/RKg74JveZfU/v-deo.html ► Part 2: ua-cam.com/video/EQt9jaQaE3Q/v-deo.html
I think there is no "official" name for it. "Alternating full-leg and heel-down" would be the most "correct" name but is not catchy enough - so "heel-toe-single strokes" is probably the "best" name :D
How much time did you take to learn ankle and pressure Tech? Daily practice routine, time and sum of all practice and playing time? Same questions for heel toe Thank you
That is a very tough question because it wasn't like I sat down for a couple of weeks, only practising a certain technique. Also I think that all my previous experience pülaying drums really helped me to learn the ankle motion faster. Another thing to keep in mind is, that different people can have very different learning curves. But as a rough estimate - if I would have focussed only on learning ankle motion and would have practised that for 5-6 days a week (one hour each day), I think it would have taken me definetely less than a month to get to my current level. I also remember that the first steps with my heel-toe single strokes didn't take too long. Maybe a couple of weeks until I reached 180-190bpm. But I cannot be 100% sure because I didn't have a metronome back then :D
Nice Video Wanja! I'm playing this technique by myself, it gets great result in control and power of strokes on Double Bass. What do you think when it comes to practicing Double Bass about playing 32nd notes at 100 BPM ? It's like 16th on 200 BPM? I found that by practicing this way my speed become better and tighter :)
Für mich hängt das sehr vom Tempo ab. Bis 180-190bpm gebrauche ich auf jeden Fall beides und lasse das Gewicht meiner Beine auf das Pedal fallen und stoße mich quasi aus den Fußgelenken wieder ab. Bei höherem Tempo, so ab 190-200 ist es eher so, dass ich meine Oberschenkel stationär halte und nur aus der Wade spiele, wobei der Fuß durch Rebound und Feder wieder zurück gedrückt wird nach jedem Schlag. Für höheres Tempo macht es auf jeden Fall Sinn, nur die Waden zu benutzen, bei mittlerem Tempo hilft mir das "Mitwippen" der Beine dabei, mehr Power und Präzision zu haben.
@@wanjanechtangroeger So cool!!! I use them too and in my opinion they are amazing!!! Ahahahah did a little speed test last year here on UA-cam and they worked sooo well :D
I have played with double pedal for 2 years now almost. I am a little further WITH THE ANKLE MOTION than you. I would still like to ask you about playing 210-230 bpm with ankle motion. I tend to use a little more toes than the (ball of the foot?). How do I get rid of this problem? It is only at really fast tempos
Viktor Bjornstad_Drums2nd go back down to the tempo right before you start transitioning to the bad movement you don’t like. Do that tempo for 1 minute and rest a minute ( intervals). Once you feel comfortable at that tempo, start increasing the tempo by 2-5bpm increments but keep watching your posture so you don’t start repeating the bad movements you don’t like again!
it is strange how strange is watching you not doing the strange double bass technique, being that the strange way and now you are playing normal and it is strange! lol
Listen. Please. Only! Practice triplets. Rather if it's eighth notes 16th 32 etc. This is my key anyway. Working in 3's makes you're ankle tension always consistently face tension. Play blast beats all around the kit. And it will improve your over all playing
I am not sure what "upper leg joint zone" means but if your knees hurt, make sure your pedals are set up at the right angle towards you, in alignement with your feet. But if your upper legs hurt and you have trouble with balance I think you might have this problem: When I started I tried to completely lift my legs up and push down the pedals only with my ankle - this works great at higher tempos but it is very uncomfortable at slow or midtempo (because balance is hard to maintain). So I did two things: First I practised ankle motion only with one foot at a time. And when I started using both feet, I developed a mix of full leg and ankle motion. I was actually playing full leg (around 150bpm) and trying to get more and more additional power from my ankles. The faster I became the less leg motion I needed and at 190-200 it is pure ankle motion.
For the beginning absolutely heel-up full leg motion! Even when you learn better techniques later, you will always keep using full leg motion for slower tempos, so it is no wasted effort anyway to learn it and up to 140-160bpm it works really well and is easy to learn.
@@wanjanechtangroeger thanks for the response. I really appreciate you pointing me in the right direction. I love your channel. I've been binge watching them all. Thank you again.
@@insertmetalusernamehere You're welcome! You can also check out my online courses for more "direction pointing" :) www.wanjanechtangroeger.com/pages/drum-courses
Maybe an e-drumset if it is not too loud or practise pads. Otherwise you should search for a rehearsal space. Often other bands are glad when they can share their space with other musiscians to save some money ;)
Abel Lustgarten ...how tight do you set your springs at??..and is your bass drum heads tight as well??..like how do you get more rebound?..please help...iam hurting...thanks for your time sir.
@@unleash-hell6666 Exactrly, my springs are set tight and the bass drum heads are in a normal tension but I use some kind of click pad that makes it rebound pretty efficiently.....but I´m still struggling with it...
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I`ve reached my goals with the Ankle Motion Double Bass Technique! Here you see the results and get some tips. Enjoy!
► Online Drum School: www.wanjanechtangroeger.com/bundles/nds
► My Drumming Equipment: www.wanjanechtangroeger.com/pages/drummingequipment
► Instagram: instagram.com/wanjanechtangroeger
► Part 1: ua-cam.com/video/RKg74JveZfU/v-deo.html
► Part 2: ua-cam.com/video/EQt9jaQaE3Q/v-deo.html
Hi wanja, eine Frage: Ich brauch ein neues Schlagzeug, weil Teile meines jetzigen geliehen sind und ich diese Teile bald zurückgeben muss. Ich wollte sowieso schon länger vorne drei toms statt zwei haben und wollte dich fragen wo du dein Schlagzeug gekauft hast? Ist in deiner Equipment liste nicht ersichtlich.
Also es geht nicht um Becken oder Ständer, sondern um Bassdrum, Flortom und eben drei Tomtoms.
Wanja [Nechtan] Gröger YOUR AMAZZZING BRO!! YOUR ONE OF MY ALL TIME FAVORITE DRUMMERS!! UNBELIEVABLE TALENT YOU HAVE! I LOVE YOUR CHANNEL!🔥🔥😈🔥🔥
The sound is more smooth with this technique. And the older one is like more punchy
I recently did something similar. I stopped playing my weird flat foot technique (top speed around 250-260bpm) to developing the swivel technique and now I am able to play more comfortably for longer periods of time. I got a lot of constant practice ahead to get up to my target 260bpm. I couldn't agree more with practicing longer runs at lower bpm. This has helped me so much compared to my old practice routine.
@@nigelproctor cool dude. Yeh its the pressure swivel that is really starting to be the game changer for me. I found focusing on just one foot separately at a time made a big difference in development.
That's awesome you can pull off the super speed alternate wanja feet.. Lol i could never do it. I failed miserably.
@@nigelproctor Yeh its tricky to get them balanced. My left foot is a bit fast than my right too
I can't wait for twilight of the thunder gods! Nice video!
Thats still coming right?? He is a busy guy so I understand.
Yea would like that video thats what im practising
Glad you didnt forget about the cover!!
Ваня, you look excited and happy! So this is a pleasant achievement for you! 👍
Waiting for 400 bpm double bass, when you merge all technics you own. (a joke)
Master Wanja is the best \m/
Thla Muan-a HELL YESSS!! HES INCREDIBLY AMAZING!!😈😈🔥🔥🔥🔥
Awesome drumming man 🤘
Congratulations for reaching your goals, it was fun to follow your progress!
I did that beginner thing last year, returning to the heel down technique that I had dropped several years ago because my then new band environment required more power. Still, double bass with my heels up remained uncomfortable for me, plus my ankle motion sounded sloppy and I couldn't keep the time for more than 10 seconds from 130 bpm upward. Since I play in a Heavy Stoner Rock band I need neither fast tempos nor long sequences on double bass, but I wanted to perform the short to mid-length passages which I do play with vigor and ease.
So my goal was to be able to play 16th notes at 160 bpm for at least one minute straight - and the way from 60 to 110 bpm did not take long, but I was stuck there for months at semi-loud 16ths for three minutes. That is, until today: I tried out the ankle motion, just for the fun of it, and suddenly I was playing a clean, powerful, easy one-minute roll of 16ths at 130 bpm! That feeling of triumph that only a beginner can enjoy! ;) Now I'm set for the remaining 30 bpm and I'll continue my tedious weekly heel down routine (plus a few rounds of ankle motion to loosen things up once in a while).
Long story short, I can definitely confirm what you said in the video: Practicing long sequences develops your stamina (and control). And I may add from my own experience that a different technique can help you better your actual technique. :)
Keep up the good work!
Thanks for this insight! Yes, heel down definetly helps a lot with ankle motion - it also helps with my heel-toe single strokes when the upstroke is too weak.
Thanks man. This is very helpful.
Saludos desde México hermano 🤘🤘🤘
Well explained, thx!
Can't wait for the cover, it's one of my favourite songs ever :D
Yeah it's way better to do slow training and mix it with the fast, short bursts, and also once you achieve a certain speed, do endurance training at those speeds.
agreed, it's like trying to train for a marathon
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hell yeah dude! congrats, im learning drums and can play a weird version of double stroke double bass similar to yours! ive gotta learn single strokes though! your vids have been of great help!
don't forget u have not ankle only but the whole leg, so try using all your leg but just a bit and it will give much more attack, also u should just try to use heel-up for ankle motion
I am trying the heel-toe double strokes now to get to 300BPM.
Good video thanks myfriend
Probably answered this already but, what was your spring tension, beater height and distance, and were the beaters light or heavy?
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Working over long time periods of quick burst makes you better in general. Don't say it doesnt. Tension activation is key. If it feels easy make it hard until it's easy.
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great !
what's the advantage of using this technique instead of techniques you already knew and used
tiago001pessoa
While heel-toe single strokes is good for speed, it feels awkward at slower. This where ankle motion comes in. It’s a lot easier or more natural at mid tempos.
@@Abandoned978 i see, thanks
I will still use my established technique. Ankle Motion is an addition. You`ll find more info about it in the first 2 parts of the Ankle Motion learning process:
► Part 1: ua-cam.com/video/RKg74JveZfU/v-deo.html
► Part 2: ua-cam.com/video/EQt9jaQaE3Q/v-deo.html
Cool!!!🤘😝🤘
If you gain such speed with heel down, do you also gain the same speed for heel up?
Seeing your fast bursts, it be fun to see you do Oh My Fucking God by Strapping Young Lad aswell as Thunder God.
That’s awesome man! Very inspiring and motivating! curious to know what was your starting bpm and how long it took to get to 200.. thx!
Wanja, How do you call your first double bass technique???
It's called Heel Toe Single Strokes but for me it looks like Constant Pump Technique :)
I think there is no "official" name for it. "Alternating full-leg and heel-down" would be the most "correct" name but is not catchy enough - so "heel-toe-single strokes" is probably the "best" name :D
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How's your spring tension when you learned this technique?
Maximum!
@@wanjanechtangroeger thanks!
Wow maximum? You must have strong ankles. Those are tough springs on pearls too. Other pedals springs would be too light for you even on max than.
Achievement Unlocked.
spring tension? beater agles at 90* ? great vid!
spring tension maximum, beater angle around 45°
Hey friend, how do you tune your hype? Does it influence rebound for more speed? Thank you
How much time did you take to learn ankle and pressure Tech? Daily practice routine, time and sum of all practice and playing time?
Same questions for heel toe
Thank you
That is a very tough question because it wasn't like I sat down for a couple of weeks, only practising a certain technique. Also I think that all my previous experience pülaying drums really helped me to learn the ankle motion faster. Another thing to keep in mind is, that different people can have very different learning curves.
But as a rough estimate - if I would have focussed only on learning ankle motion and would have practised that for 5-6 days a week (one hour each day), I think it would have taken me definetely less than a month to get to my current level. I also remember that the first steps with my heel-toe single strokes didn't take too long. Maybe a couple of weeks until I reached 180-190bpm. But I cannot be 100% sure because I didn't have a metronome back then :D
I thought using this technique you should have your heel level wit the ground. This is just really good heel down.
Nice Video Wanja! I'm playing this technique by myself, it gets great result in control and power of strokes on Double Bass. What do you think when it comes to practicing Double Bass about playing 32nd notes at 100 BPM ? It's like 16th on 200 BPM?
I found that by practicing this way my speed become better and tighter :)
I think it is the same - but if it helps you, that's great! ;)
@@wanjanechtangroeger Thank You very much
Keep going and all the best to You :)
Moin Wanja!
Kannst du mir die Feage beantworten:
Bei der Ankle Motion spielt man da mithilfe der Schienbeinmuskulatur oder mit den Waden?
Drummer Boii beides ist gleichermaßen erforderlich
Ich finde es zwiebelt am härtesten in der Schienbeinmuskulatur, aber ja, beides ist vonnöten dafür.
Calves only. Shin muscles shouldn't be involved almost at all, but the spring and momentum must lift your foot.
Für mich hängt das sehr vom Tempo ab. Bis 180-190bpm gebrauche ich auf jeden Fall beides und lasse das Gewicht meiner Beine auf das Pedal fallen und stoße mich quasi aus den Fußgelenken wieder ab. Bei höherem Tempo, so ab 190-200 ist es eher so, dass ich meine Oberschenkel stationär halte und nur aus der Wade spiele, wobei der Fuß durch Rebound und Feder wieder zurück gedrückt wird nach jedem Schlag. Für höheres Tempo macht es auf jeden Fall Sinn, nur die Waden zu benutzen, bei mittlerem Tempo hilft mir das "Mitwippen" der Beine dabei, mehr Power und Präzision zu haben.
Hey Wanja!! Great video!! Are you using On Trigger?? :D
Yes - next video on this channel will probably be a review about them :D
@@wanjanechtangroeger So cool!!! I use them too and in my opinion they are amazing!!! Ahahahah did a little speed test last year here on UA-cam and they worked sooo well :D
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Is your heal down?
My heels are very low in this video, but not touching the footboard or floor.
Hello Wanja this may be obvious but you are playing heel down? Yes?
I have played with double pedal for 2 years now almost. I am a little further WITH THE ANKLE MOTION than you. I would still like to ask you about playing 210-230 bpm with ankle motion. I tend to use a little more toes than the (ball of the foot?). How do I get rid of this problem? It is only at really fast tempos
Viktor Bjornstad_Drums2nd go back down to the tempo right before you start transitioning to the bad movement you don’t like. Do that tempo for 1 minute and rest a minute ( intervals). Once you feel comfortable at that tempo, start increasing the tempo by 2-5bpm increments but keep watching your posture so you don’t start repeating the bad movements you don’t like again!
You’re ahead of him but want his advice on it. Lol.
it is strange how strange is watching you not doing the strange double bass technique, being that the strange way and now you are playing normal and it is strange! lol
It also feels pretty strange for myself :D
I have problem with learning this motion wanja
I struggle to find balance and my upper leg(thigh) joint zone hurt
Did you encounter this?
Listen. Please. Only! Practice triplets. Rather if it's eighth notes 16th 32 etc. This is my key anyway. Working in 3's makes you're ankle tension always consistently face tension. Play blast beats all around the kit. And it will improve your over all playing
I am not sure what "upper leg joint zone" means but if your knees hurt, make sure your pedals are set up at the right angle towards you, in alignement with your feet. But if your upper legs hurt and you have trouble with balance I think you might have this problem: When I started I tried to completely lift my legs up and push down the pedals only with my ankle - this works great at higher tempos but it is very uncomfortable at slow or midtempo (because balance is hard to maintain). So I did two things: First I practised ankle motion only with one foot at a time. And when I started using both feet, I developed a mix of full leg and ankle motion. I was actually playing full leg (around 150bpm) and trying to get more and more additional power from my ankles. The faster I became the less leg motion I needed and at 190-200 it is pure ankle motion.
What would the best tek for an absolute beginner be. I have seen swivel, heel up, heel down etc.
Can anyone point me in the right direction?
For the beginning absolutely heel-up full leg motion! Even when you learn better techniques later, you will always keep using full leg motion for slower tempos, so it is no wasted effort anyway to learn it and up to 140-160bpm it works really well and is easy to learn.
@@wanjanechtangroeger thanks for the response. I really appreciate you pointing me in the right direction. I love your channel. I've been binge watching them all. Thank you again.
@@insertmetalusernamehere You're welcome! You can also check out my online courses for more "direction pointing" :)
www.wanjanechtangroeger.com/pages/drum-courses
@@wanjanechtangroeger good deal, I was thinking of signing up with drumeo but this seems more suited to my type of music !
@@wanjanechtangroeger great advice!!
* reads title *
Wait what
Puedes subtitular en castellano...tus videos amigo
I used to own the shirt you're wearing in this video but it got stolen :')
It wasn't me!
I’m stuck at 130bpm :( help
same :(
i was too about 6 months ago. Now I'm at about 170-180 but actually now I feel even more stuck..for real. How are your results now?
Best Tipp:
Practice that Shit every day!
Tempo!
Hi. How can I practise at home, when I can't make any noice? :-/
Maybe an e-drumset if it is not too loud or practise pads. Otherwise you should search for a rehearsal space. Often other bands are glad when they can share their space with other musiscians to save some money ;)
@@wanjanechtangroeger Vielen Dank! :)
I am working on this technique, and turns out that you can play at high tempos without to much effort....
Abel Lustgarten ...how tight do you set your springs at??..and is your bass drum heads tight as well??..like how do you get more rebound?..please help...iam hurting...thanks for your time sir.
@@unleash-hell6666 Exactrly, my springs are set tight and the bass drum heads are in a normal tension but I use some kind of click pad that makes it rebound pretty efficiently.....but I´m still struggling with it...
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also first like lol
Thank you Wanja, very useful tip!
(Just on a side note, I think you shouldn't do these weird hand gestures, they seem very unnatural and forced.)
i thought for a moment u where gonna do that ugly ass swivel technique
learn to beat the center of the drum.
what can you not play?! oh right nothing
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