Jordan Peterson ~ Good Predictors Of Having A Personality Disorder
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- Jordan Peterson ~ Good Predictors Of Having A Personality Disorder
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“Unless you’re not really that ambitious... which is not necessarily a bad thing.”
That’s how I feel. I don’t want a high powered job and a big house or fancy car. I want to be healthy, live in a safe clean house, have a car that’s reliable, have good relationships with my family. I want to find contentment and purpose in my work. If it brings in a lot of money, I have more to give. But status and wealth doesn’t equate to happiness.
Lucy Goosie I am so happy to see your post!! Thank you. Something went wrong at the age of 20, and I am still trying to fix “this” wrongness. Every day is a new experience. 😊🙏
If you think money cannot buy happiness, you don't know where to f..ing shop.
mishel mak money can not make someone less lonely, only friends and family can do that. If your money bought you friends, you’ll never know if they love you for you or if they love you for your money.
All the things money can buy are just distractions. Sometimes they’re really fun distractions. But material things is not what life is about. It’s about love and connections. That’s why Christmas is more exciting as a parent than as a kid; because you get more joy in giving than receiving.
I know money cant buy friends, or love etc.... but it can buy a dog.
It also pays your bills, buys food, keeps the car running.
In today's world you need money to be comfortable unless you're cool with being homeless and smelly.
Yes that's unfortunate. We can't just roam about like free spirits without a care. Money buys security which reduces stress.... and yeah right about Christmas presents. I dont like the holidays or birthdays because they always fall on days when money is short. Thankfully my kids aren't materialistic little shits. They DO appreciate a warm home, full bellies, indoor plumbing etc. But all that takes $$$$
Emily Pollifax I specifically stated that I didn’t want to have a ton of money, but enough to live comfortably and have enough food, running car etc. You don’t have to be a millionaire to live comfortably.
And as someone who is extremely allergic to dogs, I can’t relate. But I’m thinking like an average income where you can still do some fun stuff, but not the kind where you own 5 cars and need a maid.
I have been in a bad situation before where my husband lost his job right after we moved, so we had just spent a lot on renovations, and we went for almost a year of not knowing if we’d be able to pay the mortgage. We just squeaked by, but it was one of the most stressful times of my life. I really feel for people who lose their house.
It's exhausting being conscientious when nobody around you is.
Isobel31Swan I feel like that’s something a sociopath would say.
@@johnallerson6911 if I were a sociopath I would a lot more successful than I am now. Don't you see others at your place of work swinging the lead while you are working full pelt and doing hours of unpaid over time while others walk around the office gossing?
Isobel31Swan The fact that you attempted to narrowly define a strangers profession and demeanor from a single sentence but which undoubtedly describes yourself much closer leads me to believe I was correct in my assessment. Sorry for that.
@@johnallerson6911 why does that sound sociopathic?
T N I was just fucking about sheesh. I have no idea
Unreal that he so unselfishly shares his lectures with everyone. This man is a gift to humanity
Over 500 hours from a Harvard level professor sharing hours of his thoughts and classes is exactly what you said, a gift to humanity.
🙏👏
amen
Its vanity and sells books. Grow up
@@yardgrid It's free speech, and a solution to societal degeneration, grow up
"If you're not conscientious you'll never figure out why you don't advance"
This is Gold.
pat on head.
I disagree with his general point about advancement. If you are a good producer that gets stuff done well and on time, most companies will not suddenly give you a promotion. Doing so means you stop producing. They'll instead just give you more work.
That's really true. I have seen good, honest, conscienscious people overlooked and only the corrupt butt lickers get promoted. Some places will only promote the sycophant. Depends on the organization - there are lots of corrupt ones out there. @@Furfire
@@Furfire that's why it's not a good idea to be conscientious ONLY. You have to be somewhat disagreeable to refuse to continue producing in such a circumstance. You have to demand progression or leave when it's hurting you like that
I always thought psychology was BS. Until I listened to this man. He has great insight into the human condition, and he cares about others. If you listen to him and put what you learn into practice, it will transform your life.
Andrew Heffel you need to discover Freud.
@@Sherlika_Gregori: I am not sure I have the intellectual horsepower to understand Freud. But I like JP's great advice, his biblical stories, and his claim that western civilization is founded on the person of Jesus Christ. I trust JP. Take care, God bless.
You don't need to study any psychology to have the great majority of the understanding Peterson has.
@@Sherlika_Gregori Freud was a fraud. The Godfather of hokum in the field of psychology.
@@andrewheffel928 in that case, c.g. jung
This man saved my life
Awesome!!! 💜
Same.
Ex wife left me in my kids 7 years ago and decided to stay single and focus on my kids and I found this man's book on the the 12 rules for life and 8 months later I'm a full time student majoring in psychology and my kids are looking up to me and I couldn't be happier
Scott kraft Good job! 😃
@@scottkraft1062 Well done! Taking a time out of relationships was a very smart move. Now onward and upward brave soul 😇
Im halfway through my bachelor's degree in psychology. I'd also like to mention I'm a 30 year old father who struggled with addiction for a while, and I've fought for what I have now and i couldn't have done it without this man. I've read many of his books over the years and have listened to countless lectures. Thank you, sir.
@gymonx11 thank you friend 🤙
Mate that's awesome, I'm a an ex drug addict . And I take my hat of to you. I also think people like you will have insights the clean people don't. Experience cannot be substituted
Do either of you have any insights/advice about addiction that you could share with me after managing to fix it?
Currently dealing with the same issue and don't know how to attack it at its roots. Willpower alone can't fix the problem for me as the ravaging and ceaseless craving is always present and very pervasive.
@rentalsnake6542 I would recommend reading a book called "In the Realm of Hungry Ghost" by Gabor Matè. It gave me great insight on the root of my behavior. Your mind is like a machine that has been programmed. You need to reprogram it.
@@rentalsnake6542 Get to AA / NA immediately. My sister goes every day. She is never going to be recovered, but she is now taking care of her child. We text every day and we didn't speak for over a decade.
It's nightmare to live as an introvert among overly extroverted people. It feels like life is getting sucked out of me.
Same. You just have to make sure you get enough alone time. Preferably both before and after you spend time with them.
Social media has made everyone an extrovert. Without the clicks and affirmations they wither and die. I don't do social media.
Agree. Constant talkers wear me out.
Just be gallus , just be pure gallus
“People empty me. I have to get away to refill.” ― Charles Bukowski.
I feel like I'm gaining some neurons every time I see Jordan Peterson talking.
So you watch his speeches on mute?
Jacob Alanheimer quit it. Blazing regularly is the devil for most people. After blazing for 3 years every day straight, i stopped 4 months ago. Completely changed my perspective on these subjects. Less irrationality, more remembering, more deduction. You just ascend dude to what your body and foremost mind is capable of offering you.
K33p3r99 agreed
Yeah gotta regrow the brain cells I lost from the burnt tape fumes...
@William Hutchinson Ah 👁👄👁
I went to a private college.... cost a lot of money even thirty years ago. Nothing compared to Peterson.
011090 - 100% agreed !!
Not criticizing Peterson, but you must have went to a pretty terrible college if a single thinker on UA-cam can give you more than an entire degree.
Did you take psych classes?
@@brigadierharsh1948 It would seem that most colleges are relatively terrible then.
But Peterson is likely one of the best speakers you might ever here and the person that compared it to a private college didn’t say it replaced his entire schooling
If you have an analytic mind (or analytic enough) and are depressed and you listen to Dr. Peterson, you can start to tease apart logically why you are that way and set yourself up a path to not only get out of it, but thrive then thereafter. This isn't just valuable, this is priceless.
that’s why I feel like he has changed countless of lives, including mine. never once did i think something as small as cleaning my room was going to improve my life until fully hearing his reason and logic behind it and, like you said, for an analytic mind that can definitely be life changing when you are trying to get yourself out of a rut but don’t know how
@@FirstNameLastName-sy2jq what happens if most solutions like cleaning your room and other things dont work anymore
@@wouldyounot7971 socialising?
@@wouldyounot7971 man fuck the shit i said a year ago i still never got around to cleaning my room lmao
@@wouldyounot7971 i know there is a slim chance you may actually read this and find what i found insightful, but if it helps in the slightest then i’m glad. i cleaned my room and thought about your comment and realized this: you asked “what if cleaning your room doesn’t work anymore, then what?” it’s not about cleaning your room, it never was. it’s about finding the next room in your life to clean, and after enough compartments in your life have been cleaned up, maybe then you can try and find happiness in your life. this is what peterson means when he says that your bedroom is simply a metaphor. firstly, what’s the biggest problem you have in your life and what can you do to fix it? after that, congratulations, you can start moving outward because you have built up enough competence to face your fears. hence, do you exercise enough? spend time with your friends or family? have time dedicated to your hobbies? are a good wife/ husband/ child/ parent/ etc? once this has been achieved, it’s like a heavy weight that has been lifted from your chest that previously held you down from getting up and finding happiness in life.
What narcissists do is a very bad thing.
Bullshit. What qualifies wrong? I feel whomever you're referring to believes things they do are wrong.
@@spineangle9611 That's not BS. A narcissist is their own greatest admirer, very much in the center of their bubble of self-importance. Self-awareness, and a capacity to understand how they treat those around them, are not typical characteristics, this is why living (or working) with one doesn't usually end well...
Yea shut up man, the word needs entertainers
Also, that’s kind of a narcissistic thing to say 😂
You’ve never met a fighter pilot, or any pilot, or surgeon for that matter. Narcissists thrive in very high stress jobs because they have that self confidence.
Jordan Petersen is one of the greatest minds in Canada ... a country that’s short on free speech and people that truly speak about moral truths and brilliant insights !
Thankyou JP 🍀💕
I agree. But the reason it is rare in Canada is that our society doesn't value morals, truth, & insight.
He unfortunate had it arse about with his bible interpretations . . they were't books on philosophy but history/myth (myth was an term for history previous . . why was it air brush changed in meaning . . mmm) in code/allegory the bible tells an very interesting real story . . that the 'Satanist' Hollywood CIA/SS crowd . . wants you in ignorance of . . why aka 'special' knowledge makes the commandant of the camp . . feel superior to the inmates aka work makes free etc
@@benwinter2420 woah
@fynes leigh who hurt you? Hahahahaha
@@kerriwilson7732 I think socialism takes the nervous and jerky out of people and they hug&cheek kiss more then speak up... IMHO
Most people I know don't even have a genuine personality, let alone a disorder, we live amidst an homgenised mass of stunted and immature souls.
You live in LA?
MAX AM: Thank God for you.
If personality is shaped in childhood then it is the parents who bare the most responsibility for the development of these disorders. I know so many people who got entirely F'd up in childhood and thats not their fault. Have compassion for those that suffer.
very true speaking
Shift your environment.
The great man himself has been touched by anxiety and depression so it just goes to show that no one is infallible to personality disorder.....the thing I love and respect about this man is his courage to be very open and honest about the abnormalities within his character and I'll wager many therapists have been inspired to enter this field due to their own experiences of hardship.
Nicely put!
He is just a man who is fallible. Depression and anxiety are not a personality disorder. These issues are considered a mood disorder. Everyone goes through hardship, loss, disappointment, and uncertainty. We all experience emotions no one is so self actualized they are impervious to the depths of grief.
@@lonefaolan6042 I was just about to say this but you summed it up! Personality disorders are particularly problematic if not controlled by insight, dialectic therapy, or meds. Even then.....that may not be enough.
Yeah because the whole thing is made up. Stupid is as stupid does.
Anxiety and depression not personality disorder.
I was a dumbass who people hung out with to laugh at, after listening to jordan Peterson, i feel much more powerful and people now treat me as a leader rather than a fool, my social life completely changed because of this man.
“Articulacy is power”
- Jordan B. Peterson
Being believed to be a fool isn’t always a bad thing 😉
Shit, psychology is really cool.
Ikr👀
Psudeoscience!
Goggle products Genghis Khan?
Peterson is a human engineer that wants to make people stronger courageous and wise.
The way Jordan Peterson teaches it it is! He's pure class and you'd want to read his book "12 Rules for Life",it's brilliant!
predictor 1: has personality
predictor 2: has dirty room
Lol
What if my room is clean, but only because my girlfriend cleans it? Do I win?
@@tjlawless8588 girl friend that cleans for you - that's living the dream ;)
Goggle products I think you need to take his advice more than anyone...
@Goggle products i dont think JP is trans, but i think that there are many celebs who are, and that it's a big secret. And ive looked into Transvestigation. many of them look trans, but not all of them. I think Pink might been born a man, and Amale Clooney, Angelina Jolie, Jennifer Aniston. It's Easy to make a convincing MTF trans, a man looking female, you just need to start the transitioning early enough, and i think J.Bieber was born a Woman, he looks petit, small feet, hands, always photoshopped, small dude in big clothes, he shoulders are narrow and his hips are broad, and he sounds like a lespian speaking. Why would peterson be against pronouns for the trans people if he secretly is one, i dont think he is. I dont feel that J.P is doing harm, he obviously wants people to think and reflect!
Peterson: “If you’re disagreeable and neurotic, you tend to have a personality disorder”
Me: “fuck!”
Nah you'd disagree that you are disagreeable ;) and then your neuroticism would divulge into an "I don't care anyway" attitude as a coping mechanism.
@@joshy2joshy and again no to your response. Being disagreeable and neurotic won't keep you away from being self-conscious. Neurotism has its own ways to show itself and ignoring is not and can never be the only part of it. Than none of these people would have the tendency to search for help. So I would say you are wrong here as a person who has neurotism as 100 and agreeableness as around 20-30.
@@jasminemorgenstern6599 that's the point. You still have it but you may adapt an apathetic attitude as your way to seem like you're not bothered. When in reality you are experiencing plenty of negative emotions.
@Super Genius while avoiding may be the selfish thing to do. It's still a personal choice and we should never tell others what to do.
@Super Genius I've been on my own for 7 years... :P
Some terms used:
conscientiousness
openness = creativity/intelligence
extroverted + disagreeable = proclivity to narcissism
disagreeable + neurotic = personality disorder
extroversion associated with incentive reward
extroverts harvest attention
agreeableness - empathy, sympathy, compliance, care system
agreeable
disagreeable
conscientious
open
extroverted
introverted
neurotic
conscientiousness - (can be associated with disgust, guilt, shame)
industriousness - able to implement their goals
The final one, "industriousness - able to implement their goals," seems strange. Many people _are_ industrious and don't achieve their goals. Many people achieve their goals _without_ being industrious, particularly those whose goals are modest or who are gifted in ways that make things relatively easy (brains, looks, talent, social position). To me it seems a formulation which was thought out very loosely.
You forgot Neuroticism and its correlación with the GABA receptors in the brain
I didn't need this, but this is very considerate and diligent of you, Zain. Good job.
Having a proclivity towards narcissism means you more than likely may have Narcissistic Personality Disorder.
Thank you
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Absolumify i’m cheese and I like cheese
I got rejected from an engineer job so I hate this message
I love working with engineers, they're usually analytical and the most free of 'drama', and every problem is simply a matter of discovering the right 'solution'!
I've been dating an engineer for 2 years, I don't understand him at all or what the whole 'engineers are different'stereotype refers to even though I hear it all the time.
If you could give me any insight it would mean a lot...
"If your not conscientious you'll never figure out why you don't advance." Oh shit; that explains a lot of my life.
i love JBP but nah, pretty obvious why you don't advance. if you're physically attractive or highly likable you can advance, o/w everyone knows that you have to be conscientious, all other things equal
I knew this guy he was a booze hound a womanizer and hadn't a pot to piss in, but he came across as the most entitled bum I know, thoughts of grandeur or what 😒
@@nyahhbinghi I respectfully disagree. Being attractive or highly likable may make someone easier to advance, but if they're not conscientious or self-aware (of their weaknesses) then pretty soon the halo effect will wear off and they will never materialize the the expectations people people have of them because the individuals themselves have no awareness of what needs to be materialize.
Plenty of attractive and likable people I know have no ambition or self-awareness of their weaknesses or conscientious enough to take steps to advance in their career or personal relationships.
@@lizquinn3568 I really dislike him he sounds bipolar manic to me alot thanks for ur insight why do people worship these men it's weird
I like how he brought up actors and engineers and droped them quickly.
This one hit me. I work for a company where a few of us started at the same time. I have always been very vocal and negative, almost seeing all the things that were wrong so I became less agreeable. A fellow worder always kept quiet and did pretty much everything they asked, he has been promoted and received many extra opportunities. I was never angry at him, but I was definitely jealous to some degree. Now I am somewhat self employed, I earn a fraction of what I did when I was working there, and I see now that even if I had all those opportunities I dont think I would be happy anyway, I always wanted to be free and not have someone else dictate my life.
My heart dropped towards the end as I feel he was basically explaining my exact work story, but his last little bit right at the end gave me a little boost that I am not a complete failure in my choices!
Thanks Dr!
Your describing me. Went out on my own15 years ago. Made me more outgoing and confident, but less $$$.
You described a lot of people. Many people just keep quiet bc they ha e other things at risk. But a lot of them feel like you for the most part, even if they dont act upon it.
I did the test.
High on Extroversion, Neurotic-ism and Disagreeableness. I am so screwed.
Which test is that?
What test
@@pedrocasonatti8067 the Doctor designed a version of the big 5 personality test that scores you on neuroticism, industriousness, agreeableness, openness and extroversion. it's available to do online. it's at understandmyself.com
@@mannysmandatories5595 I find some of the questions on these kinds of tests to be too lacking in context to answer accurately and I get stuck on a some questions because of it. Also, I think it's impossible for tests like these to distinguish between learned behaviours and inherent personality traits and so your 'disagreeable', 'neurotic' nature may not be as permanent as suggested...
I think there IS something that these tests DO offer. However, I would suggest to take results with a pinch of salt... I took a personality test a few years ago (understandmyself.com) that said I was high in neuroticism and extremely high in disagreeableness. The one I took this year (hexaco.org) said that I was mid-range in neuroticism and fairly agreeable...
You’r only hope at this point..
Clean your room
I liked his point about opportunities not opening up for low-conscientiousness people, and them not being aware of it. I've noticed in college that the high-conscientiousness, high-IQ people tended to stick together in a way, seeking each other out and quietly shunning those who were not quite up to their standards. "What a bunch of snobbish a-holes" was my thought then, but it actually does seem that being conscientious opens doors in the most unexpected of ways.
Being conscientious is like increasing the expected value (EV) of living. You might not get what you want immediately, or even at all, but you greatly swing the odds in your favor. And given the (hidden?) uncertainties in this life, that's perhaps all you can really do.
People tend to just group up mostly with similar people for many reasons. I’ve namely found the reason the top players in any game (game being metaphorical in the sense of classes and the like) group up because they’ll be doing similar things, actually seeing each other at the review sessions, and namely because all the top members of any class have at least a basic respect for skill in that field, so when you meet and constantly see other people who also work hard and are good at what you like and are good at that leads rather naturally to openings for friendship.
Well, also you definitely have a decent part of conscientiousness in you which means that you appreciate this property and wouldn't want to live without it.
@fynes leigh oh no personality is not of that kind. And mentioned personality desorder, well it was hard to read all the word salad you wrote here, just to attack somebody you don't know at all. Let me guess, you are a narcissist on a dry season? No any victims around? Come attack me now. You will just prove me I am right with that
It's the intentional destruction of a high trust society
Yeah, but they're also not the type to turn against the status quo when it becomes corrupt.
My environment is completely disorganized but my mind is not, my focus is crystal clear, my thoughts perfectly organized and I can routinely see things which make the difference which my organized colleagues don’t. After many years at the top of the tree in my chosen profession I can safely say that there is no correlation between how organized your environment is and how effective you are at what you do. I’m sure there are many others who can vouch for this.
Maybe you're an 'outlier' to the usual correlation. I think you need to be careful that one of these days a well-meaning person doesn't sabotage your success by 'tidying up' for you...oh the horror...
You must be, then, a top tree trimmer.
I think when we can easily organize data and paperwork of all types in our heads, we do not care about how our environment looks, messy or pristine. I just feel societal pressure that I'm a cluttery, messy person.
Well, yeah, while disorder may be a stressor for me, it doesn't stop me from having stuff organized in my mind.
I think it is possible to distract oneself with tidying up rather than focusing on the task at hand. When I am truly engaged in a project and producing results my workspacecan be chaotic but my mind is laser-focused...
Dude… what an excellent communicator and one of the best teachers that has ever lived. Such mentally stimulating content he has to share.
I love how Mr. Peterson avoids being toxic. You can hear it in the things he "fails" to say or hesitates to say. Just watch him carefully. I noticed in the beginning he almost went on a rant but said "Anyway..." instead. Perhaps he didn't want to lose track of the direction of the class.
J T He has a strong contempt for mentally ill people. You can sense it in his lectures and read it on his face. His entire demeanor is of a man who exasperatingly declares before each class “if these idiots were just stronger, I wouldn’t even need to be here; I could pursue my more important work over in sociology.”
Now he’s in rehab on Benzo withdrawal. You know what they say. You’ll eventually become what you hate if you think about it all the time.
@@landrybeck Who is in rehab? And for a clinical psychologist to have contempt for mentally ill people is pretty unprofessional and he might need to retire.
He's in rehab! He got himself hooked on Xanax! How's that for a clinician? The guy's a junkie on top of all this. Total hypocrite.
Peterson, I meant. It was in the news and his daughter put it on her UA-cam.
Landry Beck Dr. Peterson took benzo’s to cope with his wife’s illness.
Never have I seen him display contempt for the mentally ill quit the contrary actually.
Now, you however sound like a small, bitter man ! Let’s hope difficulties in life never drive you to such measures !
This is like the third time I heard him go off on the poor engineers LOL
@championchap That's right, you like things :)
If you didn't like things and liked people instead, then you wouldn't be engineers in the first place! :D
I laughed so hard out loud! My brother is an Engineer and Jordan Peterson nailed it!!!
@@DekkarJr I'm not an engineer and I hate people too. The world has too may stupid people is the problem.
@@strangerthingsaresaid7655 if you don't like the people around you it's easy to like things instead and engineering happens to deal with a lot of things to solve. But I agree a lot of people are stupid more you grow the more you feel more uncomfortable around them there is no winning to be around them other than leaving them it sucks
He's only using them as a stereotypical examples for his talking point.
I have known actors who had little self confidence -- they simply loved to act, loved the art of acting the same way a painter loves to paint, a writer writes or dancer loves to dance -- they are all deeply compelled to practice their art, and suffer if they do not. Jordan is the same, in his own way. He is compelled to be who he is, to think and say what he has to say: an iconoclast, jewel and artist of his chosen realm.
Unless you’re not really that ambitious... which is not necessarily a bad thing.” this is why Dr. Peterson is so good.
The fact that ambition is on a spectrum probably means there is an evolutionary niche for unambitious people. I think that's why he said it. In a way open people can be seen as unambitious cause their creative passion pulls them into so many directions, lacking real focus.
@@GVSHvidsWell said. "Ambition is on a spectrum" is a helpful concept. Not a fixed target but a vague label of Unambitious vs Ambitious. May be unconsciously
imposed upon the rest by the times and media.
Searing Ambition is always DRIVEN. And at the expense of family and society. Any Driven person who is totally out for him/herself should be called out instead of hailed as a super achiever!
Agree I’m not ambitious but that can be a positive. It’s ok to be content with what you’ve got.
It’s rare now after 3 years of listening to JP that I hear anything truly new, but that example about secret doors opening for the conscientious people is pretty interesting, don’t think he’s mentioned that in any other lectures
The next person who secretly open a door for me will be caught by hand. I look forward to it.
Every one is nuts one way or the other.
What I think will be intriguing is, in the current culture, what is the bar for "normality ". For instance, would the bar shift in line with the culture? If so, it could get very interesting.
Look to the past to see the future. It’s easy for me to see faults in others than admit what I have done wrong. I guess that’s what makes life interesting. Good luck everyone.
Pat M culture is always changing through influence of Hollywood and those behind the scenes.
I missed the “is” and I still thought you were absolutely right 😄
That's an truism . . but not Jordans fault as he was an product of his environments scientific insularity . . ironic considering he was an 'professor' . . teaching etc , he unfortunately had a hold of the wrong (shit) end of the stick with his hobby horse bible interpretations aka they were't philosophy . . but allegory for past actual historic events . . as in we as Earth suffered an sun swap from original brown dwarf (z pinch original family ?) Saturn sun aka Satan (now called that under the 'church') . . Peterson went half mad from this (he knew about the EUT) & his substance use issues did't help . . his scientific fourth turning
@2:40 - Fascinating. I don't like to admit that I'm high on Agreeableness, but his description of agreeable people has pegged me. A major lens through which I understand my life is through the relationships I've had through the years. I do it more than anybody I know and I really do see it as a roadmap of the way my life has gone.
Great little presentation. It has the added attribute of hearing him laugh out loud, which doesn't happen that often. All of his talks are pure gold.
Conscientiousness and productivity = advancement hasn't been true for me in corporate retail! Hard workers stay in their place and don't get offered managerial positions because they're hard to replace. People who get promoted in corporate retail are those who kiss ass & are the most liked by management
So use positive attributes to move somewhere else, likely a different org, likely a different type of work: you’ve identified what doesn’t work there, so staying is counterproductive if you ever want to advance, right?
This is also true of politics. It’s not so much about work ethic, but who you’re aligned with.
Truth
Quite. Employers can't take a really good employee out of a place they're being productive. Worse is taking everyone out af places they're productive, putting them into a place they're not up to speed or proven, and then filling their empty post with someone not up to speed that certainly can't do the job as well.
You heve to be a replacable person to be promoted.
Maybe Jordan doesn't know that trick.
@@beyondwhatisknown yes, the employer can. If, however, the employer has any respect for the honor of the employee. Being "not up to it" is a vague explanation for years of loyalty and diligent behaviour. Being replaceable is: being a halfass, and that is not in some of our vocabularies
I think the intriguing part about Personality Disorders is the whole idea that they are essentially impossible to self diagnose. Symptoms tend to overlap, and your perception of yourself will contain a certain bias. I'll admit that i have looked at some of the symptoms of various Personality Disorders and thought: "I have this and that."
But it's also very easy to rationalize things and say: "Well, it's probably not that bad. I'm exaggerating." And rationalizing is just something we do as human beings. It's part of that bias of how you perceive yourself. How can you yourself identify what's abnormal behavior when that behavior is normal to you?
Even when personalities develop into extremely abnormal behavior. I think our perception of what's normal will also gradually change accordingly. Values change, ethics and morals change, interests and fascinations change. And eventually you yourself will start to see these new changes as normal. What's normal is going to be subjective.
There HAS to be a personality disorder to identify abnormality in those who ask themselves whether they have a personality disorder or not (or, generally speaking, if they’re insane in other ways). Also, there has to be something in the DSM 6 ‘Disorder that is not currently diagnosable’.
If you are human, that`s a good predictor.
So true about consciousness in a job setting. If you’re good you’ll get an overload of work while the slackers get off easy and are probably paid the same. So you have to figure out if it’s worth it to you. If you’re looking to climb the ladder, it may be, but otherwise you can be taken advantage of with little to no reward. Then again, you may be given the more interesting assignments and that may give you more job satisfaction.
@@Gardener-zm5no that can be true. The downside though is that it can cause resentment from colleagues. I know a wonderful person that goes way and above in her job role, very caring stays late unpaid, she can’t leave until everything is sorted. But because of this she is the one client’s always ask for and it makes the others not look as good. She was treated not very nicely by colleagues because of this.
I was this way, wanting to work and conscientiousness. Worked for me, always had opportunities to climb and did.
I'm an introvert and I'm pretty sure I have borderline personality disorder.....I've been at the bottom of just about every hierarchy I've been a part of and can never seem to get my brain to work the way that it needs to, to rise up it....I try to correct for my agreeableness and go to far and people think I'm psychotic (maybe I am a bit) or I let people walk all over me. I can't focus on tasks very well. I have very low energy alot of times because of depression or I have too much and I'm manic....idk what to do.
Could be ADHD too
I know this is really late but I just saw it and thought I'd add - what about autism? Often coexists with ADHD as the other commenter said too. I have several autistic friends whose experience matches yours.
This is SO me!
What makes you think that you are borderline?
IS your gut health good ? Maybe you ain't digesting the shit you need.
That moment when you realize you're that guy at work with the doors that magically open because no one else around can get anything done...
Damn, wtf... he called me out within the first 15 seconds “Disagreeable and neurotic? Personality disorder!”
"LiterateAphrodasiac" Interesting pseudonym.
What are some of your favorite books?
I’m right there with you
Well if you are disagreable it seems to me you have a problem right there.
@@jeremywolf9472 I disagree
My father was a mechanical engineer.
My first husband was a mechanical engineer.
My second husband was a mechanical engineer.
Peterson is spot on!
Work comes first....everything else is out there in a fog.
I belive that most engineers are Aspies (autism spectrum)....brilliant in their fields of interest.
But, a relationship with them is a nightmare.
Agree.
Skilled dedicated engineers, have delivered, maintain and continue to design and implement extrordinary technologies, projects which the other 99% odd derive huge benefit from. We need to understand how to perceive ourselves honestly. An engineer may say that a relationship with someone like you (whatever that is), is a nightmare. That is a challenge for all, to maintain an evolving arrangement, learning and adaptation with others.
After dealing with my ex, a workaholic engineer sounds like a big step up. Then again, narcissists never set that bar high.
People with npd and autism often get confused with one another. Autistic people miss certain social cues but have the capacity to feel terrible if someone lets them know they ve hurt someone. The person with npd feigns empathy to look respectable, get their way and gaet ahead. The narcissistic male adult will abuse his wife and scapegoat child privately seriously enough to cause them to be mentally and or emotionally symptomatic but look supportive all the way in front of the so called professional who for the above reasons should have the capacity to help the abused individual.
because you can’t actually have one. Autism is a communication disorder. It is narcissism in its ultimate form. Without empathy, there is no exchange, no intimacy or understanding. You have to have intimate, not necessarily sexual, empathetic relationships or you will starve emotionally and get sick. Turn outside to others capable of empathy.
This man put my life back into my hand.
Thank you for making me see that my work ethic was worthwhile - looking back I see how it really did pay off - I am blessed and I was just being me - work hard with integrity 🙏
This type of content is so stimulating to listen to.
I was diagnosed with Borderline (male). Non of it ever sat correctly especially as I have had friends that have lasted all my life.
I struggled with emotional regulation in certain specific circumstances and have struggled with extreme pain with a spinal problem which is triggered bouts of depression.
After years of wrestling with my diagnosis it has transpired that I have CPTSD as a result of having a parent with NPD.
Working through things and actually coming to terms in my 40s that a) I am actually of some worth b) I aren’t responsible for everyone else’s feelings c) it is important to look after myself as a primary person in my life rather than trying to please desperately for external validation.
I’m 42 now and have only been working through this lately. Shedding years of guilt has been most beneficial.
Serious question, has the topic of ADHD ever come up for you? both BPD and ADHD are now understood to have sensory and emotional hypersensitivity at their core. I’d be interested to know your thoughts on this and whether you follow any of the discussion regarding what neuroscience can tell us about perception and it’s relationship to personality traits.
Opportunities can be denied in a social agreement reached by secret prejudicial consensus. The reasoning for this can be as simple as your birthday, or your parentage, or ethnicity, or the color of your eyes. However, opportunities are often denied out of jealousy to steal the unique material because the victim has not been picked by the approved group and there are no penalties for the group because the group is self administrative.
OMG, this is so perfectly explained it hurt. I'm so tired.
No one's coming to my December Birthday.
So what? Everyone gets both excluded and included as a result over time. Sure, it's counterproductive to act like this as an employer, what in the end it breaks even the way or another.
I really appreciate these upload as they go into his academic and psychological teachings, as opposed to his political ones. this stuff is way more interesting
He’s not particularly political. It’s just that those who lean left tend to get upset when silly nonsense like “These are my pronouns” are confronted with facts.
The political is psychological. That's why it overlaps.
Yes Lowell Union I agree.
I do like his political talks but these days they seem to be ALL political or theological. He doesn't seem to talk individual, clinical psychology topics much anymore, which I like to apply to my own life.
@@MrJamberee When he is constantly talking about "the radical Left", totalitarianism, Pareto principal etc, yep, I'd call that political.
Social psychology maybe, but it's definitely not individual psychology.
Don't get me wrong....I like his political talks, but these days there seems to be way too much of it.
@@ecurb10 yeah but there's a reason for it, he thinks the universities are going in a wrong direction which clearly affects him, I think his political engagement is more than justified. also he got so much shit from radicals.
but I think nowadays people just politicize anything and everything, whenever they can and then shit on it. most of the things people criticize him for aren't intended to be political, it was often facts he stated which pissed people off - and that's crazy. they went too far in this case and we got to see just how crazy a lot of them are, literally politicizing science.
the fact this whole thing could have had cost him his job should make us wonder about whether this PC thing is really what it claims to be, or if it's something people hide behind in order to demonize thing they don't like.
You Mr. Peterson are absolutely an, amazing, beautiful, astounding person period. Thank you for all you do for every person of humanity!!!
Watched a good amount of his lectures., Nothing comes out of his mouth without a very logical well though out structure , my brother introduced me to Jordan Peterson and I totally respect the analytical process that he goes through before making any statements , would like to meet him in person
I absolutely love Jordan! Such a clever man.
I ... love...this...individual!!!!
Extremely conscientious individuals look for other people like them to network and subsequently open doors for those people but inadvertently closed doors on their on their intimate relationships. They are amazing robots to date.
It is calming to see that there was a time where he used to look at some notes.
“Hurray! Go! Go! Engineers!” [3:16;3:39]
Gabriel Gosselin hell yeah!
My new war cry!
We need those nerdy scientific types, I hope they can find wonderful partners to keep those genetic combinations in the mix.
A pretty good predictor for if someone is going to I guess "cuff" another person who is high in the dominance hierarchy is success and intelligence with a great work ethic. Personality really has only a small role to play at least in the short term
That's the sweetest and at the same time funniest thing I've read 😂
Grimes and elon
Luckily, a lot of the nerdy scientific types make a good salary, which is very attractive to potential partners. Even if for the wrong reasons.
I don’t remember how I found you - chicken or egg but you and your beautiful soul of a daughter Mikhaila have brightened up my life! - your lectures should be mainstream - wishing you both (and your loved ones) full health and happiness.. ❤️From London UK
Have to disagree. It’s my experience. From the workplace. That sponges hire inferior sponges. And being the hard worker keeps you from advancing. Because you would make your superior look bad. I have probably seen people pull this stunt a dozen times. New guy shows up. Shows promise. So all the employees start gossiping. Or turn their heads or backs to them new one. Some will even interrupt conversations and turn around and walk away mid conversation. Anything they can do to stress or destabilize the new person. And then they will go to HR. And management. And start making slanderous accusations. And boom. The status quo is maintained. And the new guy is gone. And they cross their fingers and hope the next will be more agreeable to the clique.
sounds like a career in nursing to me.
I couldn't agree more. I seemed to be the only person more interested in doing the actual work than playing company politics.
He isn’t describing the entirety of everyone’s experience in every situation. He is describing one common thing that can happen to abnormally hard workers. In other lectures he describes toxic situations exactly like you related. I’ve definitely seen both. If you’re the only hard worker in a company/group, and you are made miserable and persecuted at every turn then it’s time to move on. That company is circling the drain, and you don’t need to be dragged down too.
You gotta realize that they are still conscientious people or else they wouldn't want to eliminate the competition.
Toxic environments like that exist everywhere, but I'd say Peterson's point still remains valid
I've been in similar situations before and, while many of my colleagues would have that toxic response to my efforts, I would quickly gain the trust of my direct superiors - through work, no politics or boot-licking. It is good to have the approval of your peers, but in this case, they aren't really the ones who have to notice you and who could open the doors for you.
Being introverted and not too high on agreeableness and neuroticism, I would simply distance myself from the toxic people and stick with the ones who weren't like that. We established our own circle of mutual cooperation and appreciation and moved on.
Ironically, the ones who tried to talk us down would look for us for support when they needed later.
Here’s one: 1. Cognitive Dissonance. You say and do different things
2. Restlessness
Thank you Peterson. Both of my parents are engineers; that's why I feel so misareble. They don't know how to show compassion and love.
Aww ❤️
How does that make you become?
Is it uncommon to desire the experience of being evaluated by this brilliant man!?
I think ypu just want to feel truly understood, and wonder if you bring about intrigue to him or not. Maybe.
That last bit starting at 4:32 is sage wisdom, just like everything else, but in particular for me
I’m not ambitious. But I do get stuff done. Then people put me forward for praise or advancement. I am uncomfortable with that. I like to get stuff done in the background and only take on what I can handle. I hate being volunteered for being the leader. I hate nagging and bossing others. I want to take care of my piece and have it be done.
sounds like you are a natural leader if others are pushing you to the front, whether that was your intention or not
I'd say you're ambitious in your own way. I took the other route and went immediately into management and worked my way up the proverbial ladder. There are certainly perks up there, but there is also a lot of nonsense that comes with it. There's nothing wrong with no wanting that type of career path because there are plenty of others that pay just as well, if not for, for you to be a highly skilled worker bee.
Thanks for your input. I have no problem being a leader even though I too want to work in the background and push my Peers infront, but I often put myself in that leading role if I’m forced into a group project where people take way too long time getting to action because people are afraid of stepping on each other’s toes (typical Danish stereotypical thing; look up “jante’s law” for more context) so i always 9/10 take the initiative for a group as can’t be bother with this and people small talk + you just made me realize I also do to get back to my regular peace i love as I’m low in conscientiousness.
fantastic motivational speaker in every way possible
The contentious thing is very interesting... I'm a college student, and I'm always explaining to myself and my mother that I want to make more what I called "nerdy" friends... people that care immensely and work hard toward their work or education. I've also noticed the doors that people almost willingly close by not doing a bit of extra work to get noticed, in high school I did not see these things as clearly... but I now often view these situations from the outside as if a check box when others or myself make small decisions that greatly impact our social circles (meeting other contentious people) or general opportunities ( lab positions and scholarships)
So valuable...the last minute of this is mind-blowing!
Introverts know extroverts are vampires who feed off others energy. We introverts can feel it draining. That's why we stay home.
This implies that energy transfers from one person to another. In that case how can parties exist? How do people have healthy relationships?
I am about as introverted as one can get, yet I don't believe that for a second.
As an introvert turned extrovert, I'd have to disagree. There isn't too much draining from an introvert talking to his/her friends, but as an extrovert, loneliness is very draining. I definitely see what you mean, some people are very extroverted and very tiring, but as an ex-loner turned extrovert, it's way more draining to be alone than taking to annoying people ever was
@Cherry Ember ah, I've done it again.
Ah introverts and their pseudo intellectual self agrandizing bullshit they spin for lacking the basic drive to get off their ass and build some interpersonal communication skills. Much easier to be lazy and socially inept and use a blanket statements of "extroverts" being the reason for your own pathologies and failures. Seems legit lol
I am an introvert, and I hate this stupid rationale by people who think they're smart by default just because they're not extroverted.
Elijah Tarin Ah, an extrovert that has clearly made 0 effort to actually understand introversion, claiming introverts lack a “basic drive”, and that they don’t have interpersonal skills. Perhaps you lack the basic drive to know what the hell you’re talking about before you open your fat mouth?
Interesting thing...in college I was voted "most conscientious" by my peers. I know now that I have undiagnosed ADHD. I dropped out of school due to panic attacks associated with fear of success and fear of failure. If only I knew I had ADHD, I could have taken medication and completed school!
Your path not taken doesn't yet control your future.
Meds are a dead-end deal, eventually.
Thank you for contributing. I wish more people understood the emotional and sensory hypersensitivity which underpins both BPD and ADHD. Ignorance abounds regarding ADHD and it’s sad that psychologists often don’t avail themselves of the expertise of psychiatry in regard to adhd and the role medication can play as treatment before they form views about medication based only on their knowledge of psychology and their assumptions about motive before they publish them to millions of people.
Exact same story in my life too 😮
You had what's called 'Imposter Syndrome' something a lot of high achievers and conscientious people have. And it doesn't require drugs.
Lucky you didn’t take drugs
I lived with engineers at Queen's University at Kingston for four years. I concur with Dr. Peterson's assessment.
I think that you’re brilliant. Thank you for sharing your lecture and god bless.
I avoid these problems by living alone,attempting to master my own life.
People get in the way and stunt my growth.
I read the title as "Predictors of having a good personality disorder".
Thank for clearly explanation.
Especially i appreciate your tone and being non-judgemental
wow I would love to be in your class i have already learnt so much watching your videos.. keep up the good work Jordon..
Amazing ... Another man with knowledge and common sense.
I can relate to what he's saying about open doors.. All my life I've had this 'can do', 'dive into the deep end and then try to figure out how to swim' attitude with regard to my work. All kinds of doors started to open for me to engage in satisfying engineering projects beyond my wildest dreams and I've had no formal schooling. I self educated just in time for much of it and often just seemed to have a natural knack for a lot of it. A lot of the people around me had much higher levels of education than I did, but did not have these opportunities and I found that they were most often the kinds of people that focused more on why they 'couldn't' perform the task. It just seemed logical to me that management is looking for people to say, 'no problem, I'll get it done', than having to deal with people who either whine about how hard it is to do things, state things can't be done, and have to have their hands held all the time.
Or maybe you just have a different skill set and perspective. Maybe some of those people were right some of the time. Odds are that was the case. There has been plenty of business endeavour that was ill-advised just as there has been plenty of missed opportunity due to lack of confidence or for other reasons.
the perfect balance of informativeness and humor/entertainment. love it, peterson!
I've deliberately cultivated my narcissism in maturity and am astounded at how beneficial it is.
Neurotypicals are 97% ruled by emotions and managed the same way.
This man is the definition of being a human
haha!
Every time I listen to this guy I always feel he has already told me way more than he knows.
Great video. Very interesting to skim the surface on the possible multiplications of traits and types and how that can affect outcome, even unwittingly.
I've never been that ambitious in my professional self, perhaps more ambitious in late teens and twenties, but I'm ambitious with music. I'm happy to earn a "living wage" per year that provides the opportunity to make music. After an early career of 12 hour shift work in chemical engineering; looking back I can't imagine how I did it.
I like these little clips it might help out some one in need
Conscientiousness is a 2 edge sword. In my experience it lead to being given the toughest, practically impossible tasks that no one else wants or is capable to tackle. This in turn leads to very long term projects which is of course a low completion rate. Talk about burn out and low rewards despite exceedingly important and significant achievements ......
I've been excluded from all opportunities for advancement and I'm extremely dilligent in my work, as well as extremely conscientious about my work.
@@markbuilder7395 Does not matter who's "targeting me" at all, what matters is what *I* and *I alone* am going to do about it; that's all that matters. We've got to be men in terms of dealing with our problems if we're to succeed- he's nailed down an excellent take on how to man up in various speeches to his students that've been recorded.
That's one reason I listen to this guy: his take on real masculinity and growing up, rather than remaining infantile in terms of development.
High in agreeableness, openness, and neuroticism. 24 yr old male, always been uncomfortable with my bpd diagnosis.
Jordan is the best... thank you!
So what you’re saying is lobsters are sexist ?
Lobsters don't think women should be paid the same amount of money as men. 😂😂😂
Man, that meme it's like 2 years old
I understood that reference
Alex so what you’re saying is this is played out ?
i got that reference
neurotic, anxious, depressed, angry, frustrated, deflated, isolated, adhd, recovering alchol/drug addict, 36 year old single father, SEND HELP lol
Clean your damn room bucko!!!!!!!
You're fucked
Do Jiu jitsu
@@danfrake7754 i've thought about it. i know at least some of the things i mentioned could be quelled a bit with more exercise and a better diet, which i am working on. i've been making better choices. i quit drinking 1 1/2 years ago same with smoking and other drugs. my progress is slow but i'll get there! thanks for the suggestion!
@@danfrake7754 yes...do that thing
Huh, this completely validates my thoughts on the matter. Nice.
This descriptions slaps 👏👏👏
JP says in an organization, doors open for hard working diligent people who get things done. Absolutely true, the best advice for getting ahead at work I ever heard. Do the work. Be competent. And you will succeed. Its like a law of the universe.
Or you'll be targeted by the losers and your career will be destroyed.
@@dogie1070 Depends on your boss. If he appreciates your hard work, you will advance. And other bosses notice, and they talk. If you get a reputation as being a hard worker and problem solver, doors open.
My career was pretty interesting, no college. I started in heavy construction over 35 years ago as a laborer. With a shovel. I gave my bosses all I had and learned all I could. I moved up. I ended my career as the manager of the construction estimating department, a very good job. I knew the company president and all the senior VPs. When you do your best, people notice, even if you start with a shovel.
@@andrewheffel928 thank you for your encouragement. I had a bad boss, but the other department heads noticed me and wanted to transfer me over. I worked for state of Calif transportation, and we were in a "hard hiring freeze", means no one can transfer. I lost my job due to sabotage, no one believed bc this happened before.
I lost hope. But what you wrote reminded me that I did earn a good reputation. Thank you. And merry christmas.
@@dogie1070 Sorry to hear that. I had a friend went to work at Cal Trans. He didn't like it. He said you have to pace yourself to not make the others look bad, and advancement came slowly by seniority. He eventually quit and went to work for a private company. My break came at age 32, when I got that job in heavy construction. I moved up slowly because I didnt know a lot, but at least I was treated well. A lot of places play favorites and politics, and union companies have their own ways. I was lucky to work my way up at a place that treated people fairly. I hope you find a place to work that treats you well. Merry Christmas to you, and may God bless you in your life. Never give up.
@@andrewheffel928 ❤
I think he is more so describing the predictors of having narcissistic personality disorder (and maybe other cluster B personality disorders) than the predictors of all personality disorders. For example, personality disorders like DPD and AvPD would more likely be associated with high agreeableness
True.
I have Avpd and cptsd and I couldn't agree with you more.
This may have been the best oral expression my sense of hearing ever experienced
This video is three years old and Peterson's presentation is normal, helpful, and engaging as a professor. Newer videos are not so normal or helpful or engaging.
My interpersonal skills are.. intertsting, thanks JP
“And their interpersonal skills can be ... well, interesting” 💀
Jr Beans lmao
as an engineer i laughed at that shit too
thanks for sharing jp.
Diligence, conscientiousness and industriousness 04:15