I appreciate this type of content! I am stuck with a lower paying job after covid. The company terminated many of us to make up their losses for being shut down. My eyesight has always been poor, one sighted eye and several eye surgeries so driving in the larger cities is not an option for me. Needless to say, I am on a really low budget. Finding good deals online keeps me going! This is exactly the price, performance range I am looking for!
@@BeefJerky4104 Yea they do, this platform doesn't have native USB 3. Often it's a chip from VIA. Sometimes the implementation is flaky, you can just use a PCIe USB 3 controller card though.
Won a open box one of these on ebay for $40 shipped, also scored a X5650 for $1 (yes, $1) Thanks Brian for making content that holds up even months or years later. Love the Xeon content, much love to you
Thank you, Bryan. For the first time in my life, I just activated my copy of Windows 10 Pro to a genuine version using your coupon code. Never used a genuine version of Windows 10 since it was released. I feel powerful and unstoppable.
@@salsaproductions6286 the thing is, they're selling oem volume license which isn't exactly a legal thing to do so it's not actually genuine in that sense.
@@jasonchan5504 I've seen evidence of talk with a microsoft rep, they consider the key valid if it's an OEM key. Was the reselling of the key legal? Depends on the country, for mine it's absolutely allowed.
Thank you Brian! I live in a developing country and the local tech tubers here all want to feature the big brands. Its great to see stuff from a more competent tech guy showcasing affordable with good price to performance products from non mainstream brands. Also, got a snowman because you recommended it. Definitely one of the best PC part purchases ive ever made.
Picked up a whole bunch of those "HP" model RX 460's that were actually MSI brand, but used in HP OEMs. I've been building cheap computers with them all year for people, pairing it with the i3-9100F. With local pricing, I can build 9100F/16GB/RX460/256GB NVME builds for around $300 USD. Makes a very good basic gaming PC, or home office PC. i3-9100F Gigabyte H310 S2P 16GB(8GBx2) G.Skill Aegis DDR4-2400 256GB Inland NVMe M.2 SSD RX 460 2GB 430w 80+ PSU Coolermaster N200 Mini-Tower Case ------------------------------------------------------------------- $285ish USD
Hey Bryan. Thanks for this old vid - pretty on target for me right now.... I've just bought this board to do my first build. I'll be using some parts from a 2015 video render machine... power, X5680, Titan x, 16GB ddr3 ram. Looks like I'll need a big old fan in there as well!
I can only afford low-mid setups with the job I have, this channel is so much helpful to me, specially getting that bang for buck cheap'o peripherals.. I'm glad I subscribed to this, since everyone can't afford the high end, I just want to game on a decent setup with an affordable price... very good work..
I used x58 platform for like 5 years. Mainly intel xeon w3690 (6c/12t) with 960 and gtx 1070ti. It served me well but i came to the point where i had to switch and build a new computer (ryzen5 3600) because of following reasons. 1. Bottlneck 2. Slow ram speeds 3. Electicity bill 4. No upgrade paths. I will suggest these x58 builds only if you have like dirt cheap budget to spend on.
Exactly, they're great if you want a nice budget build but have no path for upgrades so you get what you get. If you're talking about the W3690 and X5690s, those CPUs are like 80 bucks still so you may as well get a used B350 for 50 bucks and used Ryzen 1600 for 100 and go from there.
I built a ryzen 3600 computer too! I'm afraid it'll be hard to get our hands on old ryzen 7 or 9's in the future as everyone seems to have that path in mind, haha
Hi Brian :) I’ve been watching a lot of your videos and I wanted to try to build my very first PC with used parts here in the Philippines. On hand, I have an old i5-3470, 4gb RAM, and a 500gb HDD. Using Facebook Marketplace I found out that the parts here are scarce, since a lot of people are like wild animals hunting for them used pc parts and are fast at transacting with the seller. Luckily I found another 4gb RAM for 10$, (I’ll just change to USD so everyone can understand) a Deepcool bronze 500w for 30$, (it was really clean, almost brand new) and the best deal I found with the help from a friend was an RX 570 for 80$. I also got a Coolermaster Hyper 212 LED for 13$. I bought an ASUS PH61-M for 40$ from Shopee, (They said it was used, but it was really clean and almost brand new, Shopee is like Aliexpress) and the case I got from a local store for 13$. The pc is working fine now, overall expenses were about 200$ and I’m really happy with the result. Thank you Brian for giving me the inspiration to build a pc using only used parts! Much love from the Philippines!!
@@valuehunter5544 in his case a 3770 will probly run him 60% of the entire cost of his pc asumeing he could find it. But if he can its basicly on Par with a ryzen 3400g and should hold off most esports games
I built two Xeon machines based on this board back during Christmas and sold them in less than 48 hours. Definitely still a good choice for 1080p gaming.
Was just talking about this yesterday, my bud invested another $200 in Xeon memory and more into his Xeon army. Though that's a server use case for him, was wondering about how gaming use case went. Perfect timing to contemplate.
I've been wondering how some of these Chinese motherboards are from Ali Express and I'm so glad that you've covered them along with recommending them. I may have to dabble with some of them with some future builds for myself first before offering these to clients for budget builds. Thank you for all that you do!
No question the SNOWMAN with dual 120mm fan and 6 pipes is a BEAST of a CPU cooler and for the money (~US$ 32), can easily handle a TDP of ~160W. It is an excellent product for budget over-clockers. It handles the E5-1660 and 1650V2 overclocked to 4.1 and 4.3 GHz, resp., with aplomb. Also, it keeps my 12 core E5-2678V3 running VERY cool, even with a turbo-unlocked all core of between 3.2 to 3.3GHz. On all Chinese motherboards, to include the well-built HZ deluxe X79, I play it safe and use at least an 80mm fan on the the VRM heatsink. PS: Stepping up to the E5-1680v2 (OC'd to 4.4Ghz on a P9X79Pro) I am using the PCCooler GI-D66A (~US$70), with a TDP of 230W. I am using an open air vertical test bench in permanent configuration for this particular daily driver. To include two 90mm Blue fans (place above and neatly mounted with tie wraps to the handle of the test bench) on the VRM heatsink and RAM slots and one side-mounted 120mm RGB running across the GPU and lower area under the CPU cooler. Of course, I do not have young children or pets in the house, so I can live with the open air system...looks cool on my desk top too! Also, I like the ease of de-dusting the open air design...a quick clean every two weeks with a cheap electric blower and voila.
I have this board brand x58, except mine has 3 ram slots supporting triple channel. It also has a fan for the NB chip heatsink that came with it. I use a CPU heatsink similar to yours with a fan on each side directed towards the rear of the case with a case fan blowing outward and the air flow across the VRM stays fairy cool. With the x5670 I use in it, the system never gets overly hot, it's well within safe range. This is proof systems use the GPU more for games and that's the key. My i5 6500 z170 board doesn't do any better than the x58 will with the same GPU. Only real difference is various options like for m.2 and bus speeds. Don't need to spend tons of cash to play games at a decent frame rate.
a great portion of the cost goes to the X58 chipset and on board VRM, the rest are usually within the "cents" range. These mobos cut cost by using recycled X58 chipsets from fried board and lower quality VRM. Or else, even in 2021, producing a new X58 mobo will still cost you as much as the cheapest B550 mobo.
I just got a Precision T3500 with an X58 board, a Xeon W3565 on an eBay auction for 56£ (unfortunately, with shipping and taxes to Portugal it came up to 86£), but nonetheless I got an amazing beast with 12GB DDR3 RAM for 90£ (100€)! Couldn't be happier.
Normally I would be interested in something like this, but I've been able to pick up Dell Precision T3500's so cheap (around $75 US). I still might pick one up for a green themed sale.
I strongly recommend against the x58 platform today, unless money is an absolute limitation. Those boards and chips are getting too old at this point, and they're pretty power inefficient. I would instead recommend getting x79 for not much more, or if you have a bit more to spend, an x99 (you can get a ddr3 capable mobo, ddr4 is $$). Both have cheap processors you can pair them with, with much newer lithography. I just built a home server with an x99-k9 board and an e5-2630L v3. 8 Cores, reasonably quick and super low power.
On Oct 2020 i upgrade from my Xeon W3690 to Ryzen 7 3800X just because my xeon lack AVX needed in some new game title now... but still it going live on with my RX 470D for older title for now. Long live X58 user out there...
Why still X58 when there are similar X79 and X99 platforms? I know you personally like them. Maybe a comparison video for theye platforms for these Aliexpress boards?
this is my thought as well, a cheap x58 board and ddr3 ecc is like the same average price as a cheap x79 board. X99 is kinda pushed out of the super-low budget by needing ddr4 tho.
I bought the "HUANANZHI X99 8M F X99" - Motherboard with Intel XEON E5 2620 V3 with 2 * 8G DDR4 NON-ECC memory combo kit set for 146 USD (120 euros) on AliExpress and I'm so satisfied!
Still have my x5670 with the Gigabyte x58A-UD3R. Great little CPU, pushes 4 GHz on all 6 cores sustained. Only downside is that it does not support AVX instructions which many software now requires.
@@kosh2501 if the order comes from China, usually 3-4 weeks. I try to find warehouses from Spain whenever possible (I'm portuguese), these usually get to me in just a few days.
This channel and others like it like PhilsComputerLab are the antidote to Linus tech tips which shows nothing but hardware that only rich people can afford and almost never has anything that has prices that are affordable. So thank you to Tech YES City and PhilsComputerLab :D
Shiping price for my country goes from 39-142 bucks so this is not good for me. But this is very good gide line, great video i always love x58 + xeon + ecc combo videos.
I was tempted in the past Bryan, ideally a dual CPU board (for an actual budget server) however two thing ultimately put me off, hard to find a supported HSF and more importantly limited amount of RAM slots. In the end I took my first step into the server world with a HP Blade. Actually I made my own UA-cam video on that!
AYO techyes city recommending koss ksc75s, just saying that if you're not satisfied with the onboard audio, apple made a dongle (usb c to 3.5mm) which is very clean very good sounding (upgrade over any onboard audio btw and I use it myself), also don't forget to put yaxi pads on them to make them even better, or you can cop a kph30i/porta pro for the warmer sound. Either one you cop, it will be good, and also, thank you for informing non audio enthusiast about koss, you're doing good stuff with that
I have been using a DIY upgraded Dell Precision T3500, by updating the HDD to a SSD, CPU to a Xeon W3680 (6C8T 3.33-3.6Ghz) and GPU to 8GB RX580. And because I am not interested in OC this desktop, this was fantastic upgrade with minimal costs. However, the draw back is, heat issue with RX580 in a proprietary casing like Dell, cooling became an issue considering RX5802 does produce quite a bit of heat. So I have been trying to see if I can move the whole setup to a after market casing, which means requires change of Motherboard, as Dell motherboard cannot be moved into standard case because of the podiatry Ports mapping on the board. So this mean, if move to new casing, requires to change MB which made me look into this as well. After awhile I decided not to. This is because unfortunately these motherboard only has 2 (occasionally 3 DIM slot for RAM, which mean I can get 12gb onto it (as i only have 4gb sticks), and because of the new motherboard, window 10 OEM license in the Dell will not work and will require brand new Window 10 license..... costs starts to add up to a point of buy some cheaper used AMD FX cpu and mb combo instead.....
Hey, I’ve been looking to get a new GPU for my T3500. I’ve read some posts regarding that the RX 400/500 series don’t post because of the Dell’s legacy BIOS and they only support UEFI. Did yours work out of the box?
@@zireael666 Mine work out of box without issues. I have 2x Dell Precision T3500. I used one with RX580 8gb without problem. Another one for my daughter, I installed with RX570 8gb, out of box without problem. So definitely not UEFI only
Just realised 2 days ago that I had bent my x58 board around the socket by installing the cooler incorrectly. It's an ASUS P6T SE X58 board and that's probably why it wouldn't overclock at all and 2 RAM slots weren't working 🥴 I didn't take the little square plastic riser off of the backplate and noticeably bent the board around the socket ...
I think it mostly depends on what people want to do/play on these systems. If you are dead broke and using an athlon x2 this will be a massive upgrade for next to nothing cash
@wakenbaker-uk absolutely true! X58 is great, and pretty decent. I do have a few X58 systems myself. They perform great for their age. But the lack of upgrade options and the lack of AVX instructions mean that if you have to upgrade the next time, it will be expensive. You cannot reuse DDR3, nor the motherboard. So, if you want the cheapest option for the moment, go for X58. If you can by any means get the few bucks to avoid it, avoid it. For only ~30-50$ more, you can get an X79 system that at least has AVX, or for a bit more you get DDR4 with X99 so you can reuse your memory (and if only multi core performance counts, even the motherboard) later on, which will save you a lot. Even the crappiest X99 combo is better than X58 for gaming, just because the IPC is much better. And if you want to upgrade, there are many options, and I almost bet they will be just as cheap in a few years. (Then it might be 15$ for an 8 or 10 core LGA2011 chip).
These xeons are a great value especially for countries that have low minimum wages. Thanks Bryan for bringing up the minimum wage part since it really is a big part of the xeon vs "brand new value thing" argument. Also have noticed you have become a little skinny (ever since the $400 gaming pc video). You all right man? Nice video as always btw!
if it can make the cpu on turbo or oc state, then it probably a decent motherboard because some cheapest mb with lowest chipset and questionable vrm often lock the option to oc or make the cpu can't use boost frequency (or higher multiplier) edit : that snowman cooler was the best for it's price, its ran silent while keeping high performance and low price, I use one of it too btw :), just make sure to bend the hook to straighten it a bit because mine came at ridicoulus angle and need some work to use.
If you are considering this - please, just get X99 instead. An X99 board costs just 10-15$ more, and entry level CPUs like a 2620v3 or 2630Lv3 cost around the same, if not less. In return, you get: - Hugely better performance - 4-channel RAM - Modern I/O, like full speed USB 3.0 and SATA 3 - Much better power consumption and thermals - Insane upgrade path up to 22 cores
I think I would use a top blower cpu cooler to solve vrm and nb temperatures. This should do the job without adding strange additional fan configurations
Great video! I’d LOVE to see a video on these Chinese dual socket boards. Maybe some budget plastic tube water cooling? Take care! Much love from Texas.
I got a spare server motherboard for Dell m610 blades for cheap, it has dual CPU sockets, I am trying to hack the power supply to feed the 12V rails, as this board was designed for a rack plug, not the standard molex connector. Hunting for other dual Xeon sockets motherboards, if you know some...
Cool! I really do have a soft spot for X58, nonetheless I think that depending on your budget and local market it would be a little more convenient to either buy a decommissioned Dell T3500 or HP Z400 (or even only the MB) if you really want an X58 machine or pull the trigger and make the jump directly towards X99, as the cheapest E5-2620v3 kits including a decent quad channel capable and actively cooled VRM MB and 16 GB of RAM can be acquired from AliExpress for around $150 USD and offer a pretty interesting upgrade path even today. X79 has the disadvantage that budget Chinese boards are limited because of the use of dual channel memory only (instead of native quad channel) and that the upgrade path is limited to only the 6c CPUs due to their weak VRM cooling solution. Best regards!
I think the X79 systems are a better deal. They have high frequency 4-core 8-thread CPUs for around $25 like the e5-1620 v2 that should outperform these X58 CPUs at about the same price. The 6-core e5-1650 v2 is also quite good, but will cost another $50 or so.
I like your vision about differences in incomes of the people around the world. I wish the best for you and your people. By the way good information.!!
I got a question for the community. I got some strange instability in my system. It's an Asus p6t-SE, 12GB of ram, w3680 overclocked to 3.8Ghz atm have had it up to 4.2Ghz, 1070ti, and Soundblaster-z, windows 10. now for the issues, I have noticed that the longer the computer is on(18 hours+ sometimes sooner) the sound will start to become occasionally weird, crackles pops or even drags general performance of the system seems to drop. another issue I have noticed recently is that if I have a tab on the taskbar and I right-click it to bring up options it can take a while for the menu to open if it opens. sometimes its taken several attempts before my system responds to the action of right-clicking. all of this is resolved by a restart but I like to figure something out. I know the hardware is a bit dated but it keeps playing every game i throw at it. thank you to everyone with ideas. the system passes memtest left on for over 24 hours passes all benchmarks no issues. I am starting to suspect the memory controller in the CPU. I read somewhere that these 1366 based CPUs had sensitive memory controllers. was reading that over time they get stressed or can become stressed. idk
So if xeon processors are cheap and you can buy a whole combo for around 80$, do you still need the second hand older intel cores or older ryzens, i mean if xeon are cheap and have a lot of cores and are offering good performance for the price why would you buy like the new i3 or a cheaper ryzen
Those old Xeons do have some drawbacks. Their per-core performance is low compared to more modern options and they are missing some newer instruction sets eg. AVX or SSE 4.2 which means some modern games cannot even launch with them. They're still okay for esports type games but if you are hoping to play some modern AAA titles it becomes hit or miss whether those old CPUs will work.
MSI X58 Pro-E User here. Northbridge was running at 90°C in idle, and this was after new Thermalpaste btw. So i installed 2x40mm Fans . Now im fine with 60°C in Idle. This Boards are made for Top Blowers and need good Airflow too. Bryan have you ever tried to overclock a E5649?
How would this compare to an X79 combo? I’ve seen a few cpu, mb, ram combos around that $100 price point. And some of those Ali express mobos have m.2 slots. I find it hard to recommend x58 in 2021 unless you already have a working mobo.
The reason for the fps difference where RX570 > nvidia 3060 is either windows is not unbloated and the DRIVER OVERHEAD from nvidia. hardware unboxed did a video on this. You'll see better fps on RX 5000 or rx 6000 for the same reason on slower CPUs.
I use chinese X99 board with 2650L V3 also from china and works awesome as a small server. Value is great. Unfortunately ECC doesn't work with RDIMM but...still worth price.
Tried so many times to pick one up, two times they just never shipped and I ended up getting my money back and the third time shipping was raised so much it wasn't worth it anymore :(
thing is you gotta buy from the reputable sellers with 200+ orders, sure they might be a bit more expensive but at least you know that you're gonna get what you pay for
have you ever tried running linux on these old xeon boards? there are games that run better on linux than windows, plus linux uses less resources than windows so games can utilize them, especially on old hardware, if you can look into it for a video that would be amazing!
@@eppicshotgun1281 if your editing software cant run on linux natively, you can look up how to make a windows or macos virtual machine and run it on that, the performance loss should be minimal and otherwise completely functional
@@eppicshotgun1281 o yea make sure you have an amd gpu at hand cause linux dont run with nvidia cards immediately, youll have to perform a passthrough with an amd card first
Where did you get so much ECC ram for so cheap? I'm typically finding most sellers are selling each 8gb dim for 20$ CAD. Similar value to AUD I believe
Have you tried doing any of the Dual x99 CPU builds? I am waiting on a HUANANZHI X99 F8D to come in. I am going to try to get two 2698v3s working. I want to build a "cheap" thread monster. Curious if anyone has tried the higher end Xeons in these boards.
Any triple channel experts out there? I recently updated my mates RAM, a dell t3500, its showing as triple channel in cpu-z with 4GB,4GB,4GB,2GB,2GB... 5 sticks of ram (6 ram slots, 1 gap in between the 2GBs I think). It all shows as usable under My Computer, Properties.
The w36X0 are just single socket (only one could per mobo) x56X0 CPUs and the x5675 is the same bin as the x5680 and x5690 and if I remember the x3680 has a locked/lower multiplier. So you would want to get a x5675
I would love to see a video about shipping PCs with the snowman mounted. From my experience I had problems with faulty motherboards and scratches in the side panel of cheap cases after shipping.
i hope we get triple channel with DDR5 and AM5, AMD could put Intel in big trouble if Z690 uses dual channel and X670 uses Triple channel. 12:35 i agree, for example where i live the minimum wage is 1.15USD, it absolutely sucks.
You shoud use Xeon x5687 4core/8thread/12mb - 3,6-3,9gHz CPU that you can OC up to 4,6 as i did on air on x58a-OC Gigabyte - the orange beast. SOTR on Ultra with 1070 ran from 58 up to140fps. This CPU is fast as hell ;)
Thank you very much for the video. With all due respect, i do not think X58 is the best alternative for those on a budget. There is a cheaper and better board for lga 1356. Goes by the name X9a or X79A. It is from jingsha. Pair that with a 2440 ir a 2470 and you Will have a Sandy bridge PC running cooler for around the same price point as this X58.
one thing with fortnite, i run test a lot on it, and last season is very wierd in term of performance. you can go up to 200 and get low as 80fps in competitive, some part of the map are not optimised well (sands area) and it seems that all nvidia cards i tried so far lost quite a few performance with this patch. (in competitive / low setting)
Hi boss any guide on how to use the turbo boost on these kind of boards? I have a no brand x58 board that looks like that. It has a name x58 pro v2 name on the board.
I appreciate this type of content! I am stuck with a lower paying job after covid. The company terminated many of us to make up their losses for being shut down. My eyesight has always been poor, one sighted eye and several eye surgeries so driving in the larger cities is not an option for me. Needless to say, I am on a really low budget. Finding good deals online keeps me going! This is exactly the price, performance range I am looking for!
And it is probably still better than those crappy Dell Hell overheating crammed "PC"s
Gotta appreciate Bryan covering actual budget solutions and making it entertaining too.
12:25 finaly someone who understands that everyones paychecks are different and not the same across the world.
Unfortunately one of the few who do.
Pretty sure anyone with more than 2 brain cells knows that...lol
some people have NO checks...
@J Fz yeah man , i love oz channel
@@deminybs have you been in the pcmr fb page all people talk about is 1k gaming rigs andeveryone using ddr3 are considered peasends
@@Herr.Mitternacht agreed
all they focus on is stuff what 25% can only dream or buy when the tech is 6+ years old
I wonder if they connected USB 3 to PCI bus? That's the sort of bandwidth maximum you would see...
Exactly my thought. 133MB/s
Hi Phill:)
You don't think they went the route of using an additional microchip to provide USB 3.0 support, like AMD did on the AM3+ platform?
@@BeefJerky4104 Yea they do, this platform doesn't have native USB 3. Often it's a chip from VIA. Sometimes the implementation is flaky, you can just use a PCIe USB 3 controller card though.
Hey Phil, yeah good thinking! probably what happened!
Won a open box one of these on ebay for $40 shipped, also scored a X5650 for $1 (yes, $1)
Thanks Brian for making content that holds up even months or years later. Love the Xeon content, much love to you
The one. The ONLY TECH YES EEEXX FIIIFFTYY EIIIGHHT makes a triumphant Tech YES return!
xeons forever
Really pleased you are speaking for those who are making 3$/hour or in some cases 3$/day!
Too many of these tech shows cater to high end.
Thank you, Bryan. For the first time in my life, I just activated my copy of Windows 10 Pro to a genuine version using your coupon code. Never used a genuine version of Windows 10 since it was released. I feel powerful and unstoppable.
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If you can call up a family member and let them know the good news! This man is activated!
@@salsaproductions6286 the thing is, they're selling oem volume license which isn't exactly a legal thing to do so it's not actually genuine in that sense.
@@jasonchan5504 I've seen evidence of talk with a microsoft rep, they consider the key valid if it's an OEM key. Was the reselling of the key legal? Depends on the country, for mine it's absolutely allowed.
Thank you Brian! I live in a developing country and the local tech tubers here all want to feature the big brands. Its great to see stuff from a more competent tech guy showcasing affordable with good price to performance products from non mainstream brands. Also, got a snowman because you recommended it. Definitely one of the best PC part purchases ive ever made.
Picked up a whole bunch of those "HP" model RX 460's that were actually MSI brand, but used in HP OEMs. I've been building cheap computers with them all year for people, pairing it with the i3-9100F. With local pricing, I can build 9100F/16GB/RX460/256GB NVME builds for around $300 USD. Makes a very good basic gaming PC, or home office PC.
i3-9100F
Gigabyte H310 S2P
16GB(8GBx2) G.Skill Aegis DDR4-2400
256GB Inland NVMe M.2 SSD
RX 460 2GB
430w 80+ PSU
Coolermaster N200 Mini-Tower Case
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$285ish USD
Hey Bryan. Thanks for this old vid - pretty on target for me right now.... I've just bought this board to do my first build. I'll be using some parts from a 2015 video render machine... power, X5680, Titan x, 16GB ddr3 ram. Looks like I'll need a big old fan in there as well!
I can only afford low-mid setups with the job I have, this channel is so much helpful to me, specially getting that bang for buck cheap'o peripherals.. I'm glad I subscribed to this, since everyone can't afford the high end, I just want to game on a decent setup with an affordable price... very good work..
No way, I've been looking at these on aliexpress for the past few days and you make a video on them! Amazing
I used x58 platform for like 5 years.
Mainly intel xeon w3690 (6c/12t) with 960 and gtx 1070ti.
It served me well but i came to the point where i had to switch and build a new computer (ryzen5 3600) because of following reasons.
1. Bottlneck
2. Slow ram speeds
3. Electicity bill
4. No upgrade paths.
I will suggest these x58 builds only if you have like dirt cheap budget to spend on.
Exactly, they're great if you want a nice budget build but have no path for upgrades so you get what you get. If you're talking about the W3690 and X5690s, those CPUs are like 80 bucks still so you may as well get a used B350 for 50 bucks and used Ryzen 1600 for 100 and go from there.
I built a ryzen 3600 computer too! I'm afraid it'll be hard to get our hands on old ryzen 7 or 9's in the future as everyone seems to have that path in mind, haha
Hi Brian :) I’ve been watching a lot of your videos and I wanted to try to build my very first PC with used parts here in the Philippines. On hand, I have an old i5-3470, 4gb RAM, and a 500gb HDD. Using Facebook Marketplace I found out that the parts here are scarce, since a lot of people are like wild animals hunting for them used pc parts and are fast at transacting with the seller. Luckily I found another 4gb RAM for 10$, (I’ll just change to USD so everyone can understand) a Deepcool bronze 500w for 30$, (it was really clean, almost brand new) and the best deal I found with the help from a friend was an RX 570 for 80$. I also got a Coolermaster Hyper 212 LED for 13$. I bought an ASUS PH61-M for 40$ from Shopee, (They said it was used, but it was really clean and almost brand new, Shopee is like Aliexpress) and the case I got from a local store for 13$. The pc is working fine now, overall expenses were about 200$ and I’m really happy with the result. Thank you Brian for giving me the inspiration to build a pc using only used parts! Much love from the Philippines!!
dope bro, tip for upgrading would be i7 3770 cause i5 3470 is definetely gonna bottleneck the rx 570
@@valuehunter5544 or you could raise the resolution or graphics settings as a temporary measure shift the bottleneck to the gpu
question: where did you buy the CM hyper 212 for 13$?
@@valuehunter5544 in his case a 3770 will probly run him 60% of the entire cost of his pc asumeing he could find it. But if he can its basicly on Par with a ryzen 3400g and should hold off most esports games
@@mikeymaiku no way its on par with a 3400g, maximum like a ryzen 5 1400 or smth
I built two Xeon machines based on this board back during Christmas and sold them in less than 48 hours. Definitely still a good choice for 1080p gaming.
I'm so early to this video that it said no views! Nice video once again, budget king!
There's also a little bit more expensive version of motherboard, with 3 slots of Ram and a Northridge better cooling
Does it fit in a standard mATX case though?
@@NTSCuser the huananzhi x58 deluxe is atx so no
@@DarkoPetreski Thank you, that's what I thought.
Was just talking about this yesterday, my bud invested another $200 in Xeon memory and more into his Xeon army. Though that's a server use case for him, was wondering about how gaming use case went. Perfect timing to contemplate.
I've been wondering how some of these Chinese motherboards are from Ali Express and I'm so glad that you've covered them along with recommending them. I may have to dabble with some of them with some future builds for myself first before offering these to clients for budget builds. Thank you for all that you do!
No question the SNOWMAN with dual 120mm fan and 6 pipes is a BEAST of a CPU cooler and for the money (~US$ 32), can easily handle a TDP of ~160W. It is an excellent product for budget over-clockers. It handles the E5-1660 and 1650V2 overclocked to 4.1 and 4.3 GHz, resp., with aplomb. Also, it keeps my 12 core E5-2678V3 running VERY cool, even with a turbo-unlocked all core of between 3.2 to 3.3GHz.
On all Chinese motherboards, to include the well-built HZ deluxe X79, I play it safe and use at least an 80mm fan on the the VRM heatsink.
PS: Stepping up to the E5-1680v2 (OC'd to 4.4Ghz on a P9X79Pro) I am using the PCCooler GI-D66A (~US$70), with a TDP of 230W. I am using an open air vertical test bench in permanent configuration for this particular daily driver. To include two 90mm Blue fans (place above and neatly mounted with tie wraps to the handle of the test bench) on the VRM heatsink and RAM slots and one side-mounted 120mm RGB running across the GPU and lower area under the CPU cooler. Of course, I do not have young children or pets in the house, so I can live with the open air system...looks cool on my desk top too! Also, I like the ease of de-dusting the open air design...a quick clean every two weeks with a cheap electric blower and voila.
I have this board brand x58, except mine has 3 ram slots supporting triple channel. It also has a fan for the NB chip heatsink that came with it. I use a CPU heatsink similar to yours with a fan on each side directed towards the rear of the case with a case fan blowing outward and the air flow across the VRM stays fairy cool. With the x5670 I use in it, the system never gets overly hot, it's well within safe range. This is proof systems use the GPU more for games and that's the key. My i5 6500 z170 board doesn't do any better than the x58 will with the same GPU. Only real difference is various options like for m.2 and bus speeds. Don't need to spend tons of cash to play games at a decent frame rate.
a great portion of the cost goes to the X58 chipset and on board VRM, the rest are usually within the "cents" range. These mobos cut cost by using recycled X58 chipsets from fried board and lower quality VRM. Or else, even in 2021, producing a new X58 mobo will still cost you as much as the cheapest B550 mobo.
CPU is free
Fantastic snowman cooler here in the UK. Thanks to this channel.
Really good video, because not everyone can afford the latest and greatest but stuff like this is just ace. Good work!
Oh yeah i love this kind of thinks, cheap hardware from aliexpress! Thank you Tech Yes! That's why we love you!
Realtalk. This is the reason why i follow tyc. I just sold my msi eclipse x58 and i7 920 with gtx 1050ti
I just got a Precision T3500 with an X58 board, a Xeon W3565 on an eBay auction for 56£ (unfortunately, with shipping and taxes to Portugal it came up to 86£), but nonetheless I got an amazing beast with 12GB DDR3 RAM for 90£ (100€)! Couldn't be happier.
So glad I found this channel. I’m now forced to shop for old Xeons and knockoff mobos to afford an even 5 Generation old GPU.
Can't wait to combine the Xeon with the Xe graphics for 50% more Xeon goodness.
Yo dawg, I heard you like Xeons, so I put Xe graphics in your X58 Xeon so you can have an X58 xeon in an X58 board with XE graphics
@J Fz SHHH :P
@@MarcoGPUtuber marco why doesn't my e5 1620 v2 boost to 3.9 ghz ever 😥😥
Normally I would be interested in something like this, but I've been able to pick up Dell Precision T3500's so cheap (around $75 US). I still might pick one up for a green themed sale.
I strongly recommend against the x58 platform today, unless money is an absolute limitation. Those boards and chips are getting too old at this point, and they're pretty power inefficient.
I would instead recommend getting x79 for not much more, or if you have a bit more to spend, an x99 (you can get a ddr3 capable mobo, ddr4 is $$). Both have cheap processors you can pair them with, with much newer lithography.
I just built a home server with an x99-k9 board and an e5-2630L v3. 8 Cores, reasonably quick and super low power.
On Oct 2020 i upgrade from my Xeon W3690 to Ryzen 7 3800X just because my xeon lack AVX needed in some new game title now... but still it going live on with my RX 470D for older title for now. Long live X58 user out there...
Why still X58 when there are similar X79 and X99 platforms? I know you personally like them. Maybe a comparison video for theye platforms for these Aliexpress boards?
this is my thought as well, a cheap x58 board and ddr3 ecc is like the same average price as a cheap x79 board. X99 is kinda pushed out of the super-low budget by needing ddr4 tho.
I think it is the cheaper CPU's that are available.. What is the cost for a CPU to suit X79 ??
Thank you father Xeon for this bang for buck cpu combo
I bought the "HUANANZHI X99 8M F X99" - Motherboard with Intel XEON E5 2620 V3 with 2 * 8G DDR4 NON-ECC memory combo kit set for 146 USD (120 euros) on AliExpress and I'm so satisfied!
Still have my x5670 with the Gigabyte x58A-UD3R. Great little CPU, pushes 4 GHz on all 6 cores sustained. Only downside is that it does not support AVX instructions which many software now requires.
Get a heatsink with the fan blowing on the mobo (perpendicular instead of parallel) and you're pretty much set. Lower profile too.
Thanks for using the RX 570 rather than something like a RX 6800, fits well with this budget!
I hope there's a comparison to other popular Xeons like the E5-2620 v3
Ahhh, Bryan bought some AliExpress X58/X79 CPU cooler brackets, so that the Snowman can shine in those platforms too :D.
How long did it take for you to get what you ordered from Ali?
@@kosh2501 if the order comes from China, usually 3-4 weeks. I try to find warehouses from Spain whenever possible (I'm portuguese), these usually get to me in just a few days.
@@rhyzon Thanks Andre.
This channel and others like it like PhilsComputerLab are the antidote to Linus tech tips which shows nothing but hardware that only rich people can afford and almost never has anything that has prices that are affordable. So thank you to Tech YES City and PhilsComputerLab :D
Shiping price for my country goes from 39-142 bucks so this is not good for me. But this is very good gide line, great video i always love x58 + xeon + ecc combo videos.
Nice video once again, budget king!
Just picked up a xeon e5 2670 for $40 off gumtree. Going to check out one of those cheap "x79" motherboards and see how we go.
Just bought a combo with a E5-2678 and it.does pretty well. I got it to boost to 3.5 vs the 3.0 with decent cooling all around
ecc registered works with my x5675 on asus p6t and p6t deluxe, 48gb cheaply
I was tempted in the past Bryan, ideally a dual CPU board (for an actual budget server) however two thing ultimately put me off, hard to find a supported HSF and more importantly limited amount of RAM slots. In the end I took my first step into the server world with a HP Blade. Actually I made my own UA-cam video on that!
AYO techyes city recommending koss ksc75s, just saying that if you're not satisfied with the onboard audio, apple made a dongle (usb c to 3.5mm) which is very clean very good sounding (upgrade over any onboard audio btw and I use it myself), also don't forget to put yaxi pads on them to make them even better, or you can cop a kph30i/porta pro for the warmer sound. Either one you cop, it will be good, and also, thank you for informing non audio enthusiast about koss, you're doing good stuff with that
I have been using a DIY upgraded Dell Precision T3500, by updating the HDD to a SSD, CPU to a Xeon W3680 (6C8T 3.33-3.6Ghz) and GPU to 8GB RX580. And because I am not interested in OC this desktop, this was fantastic upgrade with minimal costs. However, the draw back is, heat issue with RX580 in a proprietary casing like Dell, cooling became an issue considering RX5802 does produce quite a bit of heat.
So I have been trying to see if I can move the whole setup to a after market casing, which means requires change of Motherboard, as Dell motherboard cannot be moved into standard case because of the podiatry Ports mapping on the board. So this mean, if move to new casing, requires to change MB which made me look into this as well. After awhile I decided not to. This is because unfortunately these motherboard only has 2 (occasionally 3 DIM slot for RAM, which mean I can get 12gb onto it (as i only have 4gb sticks), and because of the new motherboard, window 10 OEM license in the Dell will not work and will require brand new Window 10 license..... costs starts to add up to a point of buy some cheaper used AMD FX cpu and mb combo instead.....
Hey, I’ve been looking to get a new GPU for my T3500. I’ve read some posts regarding that the RX 400/500 series don’t post because of the Dell’s legacy BIOS and they only support UEFI. Did yours work out of the box?
@@zireael666 Mine work out of box without issues. I have 2x Dell Precision T3500. I used one with RX580 8gb without problem. Another one for my daughter, I installed with RX570 8gb, out of box without problem. So definitely not UEFI only
Good video mate ! I need to build a new PC on a really tight budget, so I'm exploring various options.
Awesome material Brian.
Yesterday i was checking your channel if you uploaded any new videos, thx for the new video! Cant find this content everywhere.
Interesting Video, not sure if current tech but great content, you have plenty of enthusiasm so keep it up boy.
Where have u been all my life? UA-cam should have shown u to me forever ago. You won a sub with this video
Just realised 2 days ago that I had bent my x58 board around the socket by installing the cooler incorrectly. It's an ASUS P6T SE X58 board and that's probably why it wouldn't overclock at all and 2 RAM slots weren't working 🥴 I didn't take the little square plastic riser off of the backplate and noticeably bent the board around the socket ...
Lack of AVX really hurts the viability of X58 nowadays... rest in peace king
That's also what I think. I would at least go with X99, even better is Ryzen stuff as it has great upgrade potential
I think it mostly depends on what people want to do/play on these systems. If you are dead broke and using an athlon x2 this will be a massive upgrade for next to nothing cash
@wakenbaker-uk absolutely true! X58 is great, and pretty decent. I do have a few X58 systems myself. They perform great for their age. But the lack of upgrade options and the lack of AVX instructions mean that if you have to upgrade the next time, it will be expensive. You cannot reuse DDR3, nor the motherboard.
So, if you want the cheapest option for the moment, go for X58.
If you can by any means get the few bucks to avoid it, avoid it. For only ~30-50$ more, you can get an X79 system that at least has AVX, or for a bit more you get DDR4 with X99 so you can reuse your memory (and if only multi core performance counts, even the motherboard) later on, which will save you a lot.
Even the crappiest X99 combo is better than X58 for gaming, just because the IPC is much better. And if you want to upgrade, there are many options, and I almost bet they will be just as cheap in a few years. (Then it might be 15$ for an 8 or 10 core LGA2011 chip).
These xeons are a great value especially for countries that have low minimum wages. Thanks Bryan for bringing up the minimum wage part since it really is a big part of the xeon vs "brand new value thing" argument.
Also have noticed you have become a little skinny (ever since the $400 gaming pc video). You all right man?
Nice video as always btw!
if it can make the cpu on turbo or oc state, then it probably a decent motherboard because some cheapest mb with lowest chipset and questionable vrm often lock the option to oc or make the cpu can't use boost frequency (or higher multiplier)
edit : that snowman cooler was the best for it's price, its ran silent while keeping high performance and low price, I use one of it too btw :), just make sure to bend the hook to straighten it a bit because mine came at ridicoulus angle and need some work to use.
If you are considering this - please, just get X99 instead. An X99 board costs just 10-15$ more, and entry level CPUs like a 2620v3 or 2630Lv3 cost around the same, if not less. In return, you get:
- Hugely better performance
- 4-channel RAM
- Modern I/O, like full speed USB 3.0 and SATA 3
- Much better power consumption and thermals
- Insane upgrade path up to 22 cores
still waiting for a video about solving the heat problems, replacing heatsinks or even full cheap aluminium watercooling? And ofcourse OC results 😇
I think I would use a top blower cpu cooler to solve vrm and nb temperatures. This should do the job without adding strange additional fan configurations
Great video! I’d LOVE to see a video on these Chinese dual socket boards. Maybe some budget plastic tube water cooling?
Take care! Much love from Texas.
I got a spare server motherboard for Dell m610 blades for cheap, it has dual CPU sockets, I am trying to hack the power supply to feed the 12V rails, as this board was designed for a rack plug, not the standard molex connector. Hunting for other dual Xeon sockets motherboards, if you know some...
Cool! I really do have a soft spot for X58, nonetheless I think that depending on your budget and local market it would be a little more convenient to either buy a decommissioned Dell T3500 or HP Z400 (or even only the MB) if you really want an X58 machine or pull the trigger and make the jump directly towards X99, as the cheapest E5-2620v3 kits including a decent quad channel capable and actively cooled VRM MB and 16 GB of RAM can be acquired from AliExpress for around $150 USD and offer a pretty interesting upgrade path even today. X79 has the disadvantage that budget Chinese boards are limited because of the use of dual channel memory only (instead of native quad channel) and that the upgrade path is limited to only the 6c CPUs due to their weak VRM cooling solution. Best regards!
I think the X79 systems are a better deal. They have high frequency 4-core 8-thread CPUs for around $25 like the e5-1620 v2 that should outperform these X58 CPUs at about the same price. The 6-core e5-1650 v2 is also quite good, but will cost another $50 or so.
i love youur channel! thnx for your info
speaking of the ksc75 im using it now to watch the video great headphones indeed :D anyway thanks for your awesome content and keep em comin ;)
I like your vision about differences in incomes of the people around the world. I wish the best for you and your people. By the way good information.!!
I was able to pickup the Tech yes Special Rampage ii extreme for $90 shipped 🤩 waiting for my X5675
Man, even finding those Rampage II boards is nearly impossible to sometimes heavily overpriced🤪😬
the x5675 so good i ordered a second one
I got a question for the community. I got some strange instability in my system. It's an Asus p6t-SE, 12GB of ram, w3680 overclocked to 3.8Ghz atm have had it up to 4.2Ghz, 1070ti, and Soundblaster-z, windows 10. now for the issues, I have noticed that the longer the computer is on(18 hours+ sometimes sooner) the sound will start to become occasionally weird, crackles pops or even drags general performance of the system seems to drop. another issue I have noticed recently is that if I have a tab on the taskbar and I right-click it to bring up options it can take a while for the menu to open if it opens. sometimes its taken several attempts before my system responds to the action of right-clicking. all of this is resolved by a restart but I like to figure something out. I know the hardware is a bit dated but it keeps playing every game i throw at it. thank you to everyone with ideas.
the system passes memtest left on for over 24 hours
passes all benchmarks no issues. I am starting to suspect the memory controller in the CPU. I read somewhere that these 1366 based CPUs had sensitive memory controllers. was reading that over time they get stressed or can become stressed. idk
So if xeon processors are cheap and you can buy a whole combo for around 80$, do you still need the second hand older intel cores or older ryzens, i mean if xeon are cheap and have a lot of cores and are offering good performance for the price why would you buy like the new i3 or a cheaper ryzen
Those old Xeons do have some drawbacks. Their per-core performance is low compared to more modern options and they are missing some newer instruction sets eg. AVX or SSE 4.2 which means some modern games cannot even launch with them. They're still okay for esports type games but if you are hoping to play some modern AAA titles it becomes hit or miss whether those old CPUs will work.
back to the xeon goodness baby, we covered them earlier but they did improve the USB 3 on this, considering it for an XP build
Tech YES city: this would be perfect for people on tight budget
Me with my fresh new r9 x5950: I NEED to build this!!!
MSI X58 Pro-E User here. Northbridge was running at 90°C in idle, and this was after new Thermalpaste btw. So i installed 2x40mm Fans . Now im fine with 60°C in Idle. This Boards are made for Top Blowers and need good Airflow too. Bryan have you ever tried to overclock a E5649?
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There is a new motherboard on Aliexpress with triple channel and it also has a fix for the high temps
How would this compare to an X79 combo? I’ve seen a few cpu, mb, ram combos around that $100 price point. And some of those Ali express mobos have m.2 slots. I find it hard to recommend x58 in 2021 unless you already have a working mobo.
X79 with an E5 1650/60v2 is pretty potent when overclocked, plus it has AVX so you're not gonna be limited by the games that need it to run.
The reason for the fps difference where RX570 > nvidia 3060 is either windows is not unbloated and the DRIVER OVERHEAD from nvidia. hardware unboxed did a video on this. You'll see better fps on RX 5000 or rx 6000 for the same reason on slower CPUs.
@Marco Can you suggest a channel like this but revolving around rack mount servers? Or maybe Bryan? Can you cover the used server scene?
I use chinese X99 board with 2650L V3 also from china and works awesome as a small server. Value is great. Unfortunately ECC doesn't work with RDIMM but...still worth price.
Which model motherboard? I'm looking at using that exact same cpu. making a NAS.
@@Nalianna atermiter x99
@@sybreeder86 Thank you.
Tried so many times to pick one up, two times they just never shipped and I ended up getting my money back and the third time shipping was raised so much it wasn't worth it anymore :(
thing is you gotta buy from the reputable sellers with 200+ orders, sure they might be a bit more expensive but at least you know that you're gonna get what you pay for
I love your content because you think about third world countries that have way expensive new hardware
have you seen those new lga 1155 motherboard that supposed to support both types of ssd/nvme drives in the same m.2 slot!
have you ever tried running linux on these old xeon boards? there are games that run better on linux than windows, plus linux uses less resources than windows so games can utilize them, especially on old hardware, if you can look into it for a video that would be amazing!
I was thinking about running linux on my editing rig once I get it built.
@@eppicshotgun1281 if your editing software cant run on linux natively, you can look up how to make a windows or macos virtual machine and run it on that, the performance loss should be minimal and otherwise completely functional
@@eppicshotgun1281 o yea make sure you have an amd gpu at hand cause linux dont run with nvidia cards immediately, youll have to perform a passthrough with an amd card first
@@djtlh7335 I use DaVinci Resolve and OBS so I'm good for compatibility, I'll be using a Strix R7-370 4g.
@@eppicshotgun1281 guess ur set, have fun :)
Where did you get so much ECC ram for so cheap? I'm typically finding most sellers are selling each 8gb dim for 20$ CAD. Similar value to AUD I believe
Have you tried doing any of the Dual x99 CPU builds? I am waiting on a HUANANZHI X99 F8D to come in. I am going to try to get two 2698v3s working. I want to build a "cheap" thread monster. Curious if anyone has tried the higher end Xeons in these boards.
Any triple channel experts out there? I recently updated my mates RAM, a dell t3500, its showing as triple channel in cpu-z with 4GB,4GB,4GB,2GB,2GB... 5 sticks of ram (6 ram slots, 1 gap in between the 2GBs I think). It all shows as usable under My Computer, Properties.
Make a comparison between the X5675 and W3680 on the Rampage board, please!!!!!!
The w36X0 are just single socket (only one could per mobo) x56X0 CPUs and the x5675 is the same bin as the x5680 and x5690 and if I remember the x3680 has a locked/lower multiplier. So you would want to get a x5675
I would love to see a video about shipping PCs with the snowman mounted. From my experience I had problems with faulty motherboards and scratches in the side panel of cheap cases after shipping.
i hope we get triple channel with DDR5 and AM5, AMD could put Intel in big trouble if Z690 uses dual channel and X670 uses Triple channel.
12:35 i agree, for example where i live the minimum wage is 1.15USD, it absolutely sucks.
Why not go for quad channel, TR Pro already supports octo channel ran. Ryzen also supports REGECC memory unofficially on some boards.
Great Vid!
Love your channel, Love your work Bryan but can you make a video on which Windows is truly best for old Hardware, thank you 👍😆
You shoud use Xeon x5687 4core/8thread/12mb - 3,6-3,9gHz CPU that you can OC up to 4,6 as i did on air on x58a-OC Gigabyte - the orange beast. SOTR on Ultra with 1070 ran from 58 up to140fps. This CPU is fast as hell ;)
Thank you very much for the video. With all due respect, i do not think X58 is the best alternative for those on a budget. There is a cheaper and better board for lga 1356. Goes by the name X9a or X79A. It is from jingsha. Pair that with a 2440 ir a 2470 and you Will have a Sandy bridge PC running cooler for around the same price point as this X58.
0:47 what is name of program that gives that information in right up corner?
check this video it looks like you'll find what you need :
ua-cam.com/video/v_y6KoQe3oQ/v-deo.html
msi after burner
one thing with fortnite, i run test a lot on it, and last season is very wierd in term of performance. you can go up to 200 and get low as 80fps in competitive, some part of the map are not optimised well (sands area) and it seems that all nvidia cards i tried so far lost quite a few performance with this patch. (in competitive / low setting)
Hi boss any guide on how to use the turbo boost on these kind of boards? I have a no brand x58 board that looks like that. It has a name x58 pro v2 name on the board.
I got a working pc but a spare r9 270 with 16gb of ddr3 ram, wondering if I should go ahead and build my first itx pc for indie games
I would spent a couple more bucks and go for the X99 E5 2620 v3 combo. Better usb3, nvme support, avx2, ddr4, etc.
x99 can freeze if undervolt is too big or if tb is unlocked and c6 state is on.
Can you make a review on b75 with m.2 slot. Greatly appreciated if you can. Thank you