Really intriguing to see a AAA rated vented jacket/shirt like this, the ratings aren't perfect but it guarantees a level of performance. Bit of a shame it doesn't come in a lighter colour to try and reflect some sunlight when stationary! I think that would still make me go for the Klim Marrakesh over this despite the lower CE rating.
Anyone, even a company who manufactures motorcycle specific PPE, telling you that "you don't need the safest" equipment is deeply mistaken and is culpable in the push to the bottom for riding safety and the consequences of that trend. We, as riders and motorcyclists, should always ride in the safest manner possible with the safest equipment available - understanding that affordability is a consideration. I, for one, am growing increasingly frustrated with the myriad riding gear options that only have CE Level 1 armour or A-rated abrasion resistance. ALL riding gear should include, or at least be upgradable to CE Level 2 armour and be, compromises being accepted, AA abrasion resistance. As a long time Rev'it customer and wearer, even though this is a Knox specific video, I would still consider them one of the largest culprits of form over function in the motorcycle riding gear arena and it seems that Knox is also willing to allow you to forgo the level of safety you should have and deserve.
I understand your point, people should always be as safe as possible when on a motorcycle. However, I can also understand the point that some people use their bike or scooter exclusively within cities like London for example. In London you can go your whole biking life without going above 30mph if you wanted and in that case I can see why they might advocate for "less safe" gear because at 30mph and below CE A rating should be sufficient. And lets not pretend that price doesn't play a huge factor, AAA rated gear is more expensive than A gear and at the end of the day, any gear is better than no gear. If all the delivery riders in London who I see where tracksuit trousers and trainers were to upgrade to just A rated gear, we would see a lot less nasty injuries.
You misunderstand, the risks are painted for you. The A rated PRO is not made for highway speeds, it's A rated, but it's a great off road layer for example. I think Knox is doing exactly what they should, providing base layers and allowing squids to be stylish without leaving skin on the pavement.
@@bobo1793Most motorcycle deaths are the result of uncontrolled intersection collisions. It doesn't matter how fast you're riding, a collision with a high mass vehicle will result in a large transfer of force. Most research shows that armour only meeting minimum CE1-2 doesn't reduce the force enough. Companies can make armour that exceeds the minimum standards. But they won't as long as they can get away with it. They, after all, lobbied for low standards. We should be demanding higher than the minimum standards. The tiered offerings are just to make it so that people are more likely to buy, and think they are safe buying what they have. But they'd better off saving the money with getting only CE level 1 or something that barely meets CE level 2, in terms of impact.
anything motorcycle related in terms of clothing is extortionate all a massive rip off all propaganda. I have wasted so much money on riding gear that doesnt make no difference in a accident i know as i ride with and without gear. Riding jeans are terrible amour so small on the knees doesnt contour and shifts around and this is with all the big brands such as john doe and pando moto etc. i just wear my normal jeans cost me £30 not £300+ and so much more comfortable, fits me well, not heavy etc. I also have a segura natcho jacket which the elbow amour is way better than any knee amour you eill get in any riding jean. i have had a knox armored shirt it was shite save your money get a leather suit or 2 piece or just get textiles not ones that say they are waterproof as they only have 10,000mm which on a motorcycle you need at least 15,000mm minimum. Textiles are like overalls so just wear your normal clothes underneath or wear your normal clothes and get adv amour like a back brace not back amour as thats shite get a proper back brace that protects the full length which is traps to coccyx.
Outstanding! I bought the Urbane Pro Utility from you last year and, after watching your video, wish to upgrade. Just looked at the site and couldn't find the optional chest armor, though, and would like to add. Thank you.
I love the concept of their layering system, it makes so much sense to put the protection close to the body and then add/subtract layers as needed. But, I can't help feel Knox's outers are just a bit, errr, dull. Very technically accomplished, but not exactly stylish. Maybe that's the idea, we buy the layers we need and then throw something casual over the top knowing we're protected, but I'd love it if Knox gave us a style layer or two to go along with the warm and the weatherproof layers.
What is the final visual design of this shirt? As the video appears to show two different designs. One (that you have in the studio) has a one piece mesh panel on the chest. But then some of the imagery shows a two piece mesh design with horizontal stitching under the pecs (at 2:24 for e.g.)
About time a 'slide time' was added to abrasion resistance for these A ratings to be meaningful. Pretty sure this AAA rated textile would fail long before an AAA rated leather jacket.
I would even say they would fail long before an A rated leather jacket... In the past, there were no A's, and everybody knew that leather was the best. I love this kind of product (although it's pricey) because I live in Barcelona and here it is really hot in summer. However, I wouldn't use it for more than a 30-minute slow commute. Maybe it's a lack of confidence but for longer and faster trips, I would always wear leather or good cordura jacket.
I'm a bit late with this question. I am a measured 44'' chest. What size should I order, please? This jacket doesn't seem to be quite as tight under the arms as the other Knox armoured shirts/jackets. Am I correct?
The size chart would put you at the lower end of XL. I just sized up as someone with a 42.5 chest, I got the XL. It fits like a close fitting jacket, not exactly form fitting. I can still throw a hoodie on over the top no problem. The issue I saw with the size chart was sleeve length for some, it was short if you are lanky. My sleeves are the perfect length, ending where my hands begin and the loops fit without too much stretch.. For you I think XL would be perfect, as you are at the lower end and wouldn't necessarily need to "size up" and the armor would fit close to the body as needed.
This shirt is designed to be tight fitting but I have an Alpinestars tech air 5 airbag vest to wear underneath which requires room for expansion. Is the honister suitable for this? Shall I just got one size up?
I am thinking about switching my layering concept to the knox's one. Is there any connection possibility between the armour shirt and armour trousers (leggins)? You know this from the classic motorcycle gear :-)
Is the Knox Honister Jacket as breathable as the Knox Urban Pro MK2 Jacket? As for the rain jacket from the new KNOX collection, do you recommend a size larger than Honister or the same?
This looks like it has about the same abrasion resistance as the blue sweater you're wearing. It does not look like it'd save your skin whatsoever. Seeing someone demonstrate the fabric against sandpaper in multiple places would be great.
Really intriguing to see a AAA rated vented jacket/shirt like this, the ratings aren't perfect but it guarantees a level of performance. Bit of a shame it doesn't come in a lighter colour to try and reflect some sunlight when stationary! I think that would still make me go for the Klim Marrakesh over this despite the lower CE rating.
What do you mean by the "ratings aren't perfect"? I am looking into this shirt and was wondering if it is actually as safe as it sounds?
@@charliewessel5320maybe they mean review ratings?
Perhaps a stretch strip inside the shirt to sew a connecting zip to ie to attach to bottom leathers etc really nice gear though
Anyone, even a company who manufactures motorcycle specific PPE, telling you that "you don't need the safest" equipment is deeply mistaken and is culpable in the push to the bottom for riding safety and the consequences of that trend. We, as riders and motorcyclists, should always ride in the safest manner possible with the safest equipment available - understanding that affordability is a consideration. I, for one, am growing increasingly frustrated with the myriad riding gear options that only have CE Level 1 armour or A-rated abrasion resistance. ALL riding gear should include, or at least be upgradable to CE Level 2 armour and be, compromises being accepted, AA abrasion resistance. As a long time Rev'it customer and wearer, even though this is a Knox specific video, I would still consider them one of the largest culprits of form over function in the motorcycle riding gear arena and it seems that Knox is also willing to allow you to forgo the level of safety you should have and deserve.
I understand your point, people should always be as safe as possible when on a motorcycle. However, I can also understand the point that some people use their bike or scooter exclusively within cities like London for example. In London you can go your whole biking life without going above 30mph if you wanted and in that case I can see why they might advocate for "less safe" gear because at 30mph and below CE A rating should be sufficient. And lets not pretend that price doesn't play a huge factor, AAA rated gear is more expensive than A gear and at the end of the day, any gear is better than no gear. If all the delivery riders in London who I see where tracksuit trousers and trainers were to upgrade to just A rated gear, we would see a lot less nasty injuries.
Ride safe... as much as your money can buy 😀
Every A is 100£ more
You misunderstand, the risks are painted for you. The A rated PRO is not made for highway speeds, it's A rated, but it's a great off road layer for example.
I think Knox is doing exactly what they should, providing base layers and allowing squids to be stylish without leaving skin on the pavement.
@@bobo1793Most motorcycle deaths are the result of uncontrolled intersection collisions. It doesn't matter how fast you're riding, a collision with a high mass vehicle will result in a large transfer of force. Most research shows that armour only meeting minimum CE1-2 doesn't reduce the force enough. Companies can make armour that exceeds the minimum standards. But they won't as long as they can get away with it. They, after all, lobbied for low standards. We should be demanding higher than the minimum standards. The tiered offerings are just to make it so that people are more likely to buy, and think they are safe buying what they have. But they'd better off saving the money with getting only CE level 1 or something that barely meets CE level 2, in terms of impact.
anything motorcycle related in terms of clothing is extortionate all a massive rip off all propaganda. I have wasted so much money on riding gear that doesnt make no difference in a accident i know as i ride with and without gear. Riding jeans are terrible amour so small on the knees doesnt contour and shifts around and this is with all the big brands such as john doe and pando moto etc. i just wear my normal jeans cost me £30 not £300+ and so much more comfortable, fits me well, not heavy etc. I also have a segura natcho jacket which the elbow amour is way better than any knee amour you eill get in any riding jean. i have had a knox armored shirt it was shite save your money get a leather suit or 2 piece or just get textiles not ones that say they are waterproof as they only have 10,000mm which on a motorcycle you need at least 15,000mm minimum. Textiles are like overalls so just wear your normal clothes underneath or wear your normal clothes and get adv amour like a back brace not back amour as thats shite get a proper back brace that protects the full length which is traps to coccyx.
I love the Urbane Pro concept. They just need to make the collar less rough by adding some soft trim! It hurts after a while.
True, that’s why a neck buff comes in handy.
@@scottie2wheels542 that's a possibility, but it beats the low profile purpose a bit.
@@rickslijkhuis6822 I don’t leave home without one keeps the sun of my neck and doubles as a 😷
AGREED! I love my UP2 but I do find myself continuously reaching to the collar area after a few miles.
Outstanding! I bought the Urbane Pro Utility from you last year and, after watching your video, wish to upgrade. Just looked at the site and couldn't find the optional chest armor, though, and would like to add. Thank you.
Hi Peter, the chest protectors will be back in stock in a couple of weeks. - Andrew
@@UrbanRiderlondon thank you, Andrew. Great video, as always!
This is my favorite jacket I've owned and I've worn countless dainese jackets.
Great to hear!
I love the concept of their layering system, it makes so much sense to put the protection close to the body and then add/subtract layers as needed.
But, I can't help feel Knox's outers are just a bit, errr, dull. Very technically accomplished, but not exactly stylish.
Maybe that's the idea, we buy the layers we need and then throw something casual over the top knowing we're protected, but I'd love it if Knox gave us a style layer or two to go along with the warm and the weatherproof layers.
Yeah I don’t like the outer layers either
What is the final visual design of this shirt? As the video appears to show two different designs. One (that you have in the studio) has a one piece mesh panel on the chest. But then some of the imagery shows a two piece mesh design with horizontal stitching under the pecs (at 2:24 for e.g.)
About time a 'slide time' was added to abrasion resistance for these A ratings to be meaningful. Pretty sure this AAA rated textile would fail long before an AAA rated leather jacket.
Where's the tests
I would even say they would fail long before an A rated leather jacket... In the past, there were no A's, and everybody knew that leather was the best.
I love this kind of product (although it's pricey) because I live in Barcelona and here it is really hot in summer. However, I wouldn't use it for more than a 30-minute slow commute. Maybe it's a lack of confidence but for longer and faster trips, I would always wear leather or good cordura jacket.
Absolutely love this gear
🏴 love from Scotland 🏴
I like the concept of layers, but the looks.... I can't handle it... 😂
tempting me to upgrade from my urbane pro mk II...
I'm a bit late with this question. I am a measured 44'' chest. What size should I order, please? This jacket doesn't seem to be quite as tight under the arms as the other Knox armoured shirts/jackets. Am I correct?
The size chart would put you at the lower end of XL. I just sized up as someone with a 42.5 chest, I got the XL. It fits like a close fitting jacket, not exactly form fitting. I can still throw a hoodie on over the top no problem. The issue I saw with the size chart was sleeve length for some, it was short if you are lanky. My sleeves are the perfect length, ending where my hands begin and the loops fit without too much stretch.. For you I think XL would be perfect, as you are at the lower end and wouldn't necessarily need to "size up" and the armor would fit close to the body as needed.
@@MsMarlarae Thanks very much for taking the time to write such a detailed reply. I appreciate it.
Hi mate. Which is the best of the two: this Knox Honister or the Pando Commando?
Hi! They are both great options. It's down to a personal preference. - Iza
This shirt is designed to be tight fitting but I have an Alpinestars tech air 5 airbag vest to wear underneath which requires room for expansion. Is the honister suitable for this? Shall I just got one size up?
Go* one size up
Hi Richard, it's hard to say as we cannot test this ourselves to be sure but most likely a size up will be required - Iza
There is a stretchiness throughout, but I would think a form fitting garment would go under a vest... Really should try it on and see.
I am thinking about switching my layering concept to the knox's one. Is there any connection possibility between the armour shirt and armour trousers (leggins)? You know this from the classic motorcycle gear :-)
Knox are great.
Is the Knox Honister Jacket as breathable as the Knox Urban Pro MK2 Jacket?
As for the rain jacket from the new KNOX collection, do you recommend a size larger than Honister or the same?
I have the same question about ventilation
Wondering the same lol. But now comparing to the Urbane Pro mk3
Can i buy from you guys and ship to miami, fl?
Hi Luis. Yes, you can!
This looks like it has about the same abrasion resistance as the blue sweater you're wearing. It does not look like it'd save your skin whatsoever.
Seeing someone demonstrate the fabric against sandpaper in multiple places would be great.
I had to get a female Lage because they didn't do my size in mens
Very expensive I prefer take airbag for same cost !
How does this work with a heated liner jacket ?
So it's urbane pro but better? :D