Satire is inherently comedic, if you get the joke... Perhaps you mean to say Americans interpret satire as purely sardonic, and slapstic. e.g. South Park.
@QuinnKallisti I wouldn't say it's inherently comedic, though. More than not, however, it does often lead to comedic elements. Handmaid's Tale and Brave New World are very much satire. Those pieces of writing are firmly not comedy.
@@keystep8669 That's not Satire, that's dystopian speculative fiction... 1984 is not Satire, Animal Farm is Satire. Exaggeration of thematic societal elements is not inherently satire. Also, comedy doesn't have to be "funny", though Americans think comedy has to be "funny"... generally.... this particular opinion here is painted with a particularly broad brush Satire = not always "funny", Though inherently comedic. Think, Shakespearean Comedy... Versus your average Jim Carrey Film. American Comedy = generally "Funny" e.g. not "Cringe" like much of British comedy. My interpretation of "Funny" here serves to delineate between the kind of "funny haha" joke you tell in front of your family, versus the brutal dark humor you use in the face of a grim situation. I think across the board the American "Comedy" leans toward the slapstick theme. This is why they miss the nuance of satire when it is not being "Funny haha" such as in a Mad Magazine, or on Saturday Night Live. I would not go as far to say however, that every representational tale of things and concepts as they exist taken too far are satire, or inherently satire.
@@joshhitxoriginal9367 But its wrong in the same way that people who called the first Space Marine game a ripoff of Gears of War were wrong. edit: and just a reminder for anyone who might not know, it goes way further than just the pauldrons... Adeptus Arbites is all I need to say.
Been reading Dredd comics for ages. Mostly spot on, but their are several instances on thr comics where Dredd does the equivalent of looking the other way or letting someone go. Part of what makes him a fun character. Every once a blue moon you see that sliver of humanity from him.
@@nosville22book is walking both sides of the line between 1950s US Republicans and 1930s European authoritarian regimes. It's not a place I would like anybody (let alone me) to live in, but it's still not full on totalitarianism.
About warhammer - Terra (Earth) is an overpopulated mess, being home for quadrillions of people, oceans dried out, there is no way to produce any food on it, but it is home planet of humanity and it is Emperor's home, so Terra is taking taxes from all of the worlds under Empirium's rule and gets ungodly amounts of food and other resources every day, but vast majoriy of humans living there are still living in extreme poverty and starving
And Terra's nowhere near as bard as Mars. If you're on Mars, you basically have to live underground coz the surface is an irradiated hellhole, and if they miss even 1 food shipment the entire planet starves. Terra can at least process their dead into Corpse Starch
Jason Kingsley, the guy who owns Rebellion publishing (and therefore the Judge Dredd IP) is sorta based for a CEO. He genuinely understands what he's in control of, and a decent amount of his money goes into funding his UA-cam channel about history and also him LARPing as a medieval knight. Man said to himself "I've got enough money that I can pretend to be a knight, I don't need more.
10 million pts for citing the 40k warp drive refueling process. But of course it's grimdark so that's just the cover story they tell the masses: the reality is warp drives run on human souls. There's nothing in that fuel canister.
First time watching Dredd, I didnt realize Dredd didnt know if Moms dead mans switch would fail. He was willing to bring that whole building down, (and himself with it,) because hes mission was to eliminate her. True cinema!
Tech bros: After years of research and development and billions of dollars spent, we have finally invented the Tournament Nexus™ from the award winning sci-fi novel "Don't Invent the Tournament Nexus"
My God, that's horrible, I'm so sorry to hear that and I feel terrible, I really feel bad for the people in your situation. You do not deserve this. If I was in a bit of a better financial situation myself and if I lived in the USA I'd love to help you out. I just don't know how, but if there were a way we could help you out maybe you could tell us. I really wish you the best and hopefully you can find shelter or someone who can help you out in a mid to long term period. Strength, brother.
I'm from America. Tennessee specifically. And while they haven't directly made homelessness a crime, they have several laws that make it very easy to arrest them for how they live, including making it illegal for them to sleep in a public place.
Ah yes, place where it's illegal to die - Longyearbyen. Been working there, was very surprised at some of the laws. Found the cemetary, actually, 36 graves since the place was founded like 100 years ago. The thing is - it's illegal to grow old and die of old age so as soon as you're a pensioner - you're out of there. If you aren't working in that town - you're not living in that town. It's also illegal to suffer a terminal illness there. You can still legally get run over by a car, and they will ship your body to mainland Norway. It's also illegal to be buried there.
I didn't see it / think it that way. Maybe it was a slip up on Lucas' part but still is correct in a way, since of course you'd have to consider a whole bunch of philosophical existential circumstances in order to judge and condemn someone; and many people in that position aren't inherently intellectually, philosophically nor ontologically prepared to deal with cases and judgements on a philosophical, epistemological and unbiased sense, sadly.
As I'm listening to this I'm playing Deep Rock Galactic: Survivor, a game about dwarves in space mining rocks and killing bugs. It's a satire of corporate culture and workplace hazards.
You definitely right about Americans and sarcasm I use sarcasm all the time and i keep having to explain that I'm being sarcastic while saying the most outta pocket stuff
12:23 you may be thinking about Longyearbyen, Svalbard! It’s not that you suddenly become immortal when you step into town, you’re just advised to leave if you are going to die because it’s so cold the ground is permanently frozen and won’t decompose your body.
Side note: the character of Judge Dredd originated in a comic book called 2000 AD. The first movie starring Sly Stallone was outright satire and my preferred movie of the two. The second film, the more critically acclaimed is far more serious drama than satire.
26 yo American here who was raised on Monty Python (weirdly by my very conservative homophobic and racist father) and came upon doctor who on my own around 12, I've most definitely been raised on a UK sense of humor and can confirm, most people here don't catch sarcasm well, but those close to me get it 🤣
I think the main opinion is that as the writers changed over the years, people started taking the setting more seriously or kept changing the indicators of the satire to the point that it became watered down to nothing
@@r.connor9280 that’s a pretty good theory. I got into it right at the tail end of second edition. Played orks. Third edition hit and suddenly it focused much more “ferocious feral space warrior” aspects of orks. This is after the older rules with things like “roll a dice, congrats, the squad decided another squad disrespected them - roll for hits and their shots are done for this turn” type stuff and they cut a lot of that out. Since then, they’ve been waffling back and forth on how wacky those lovable gits are, and I think you’re right- that’s confusing as hell. Orks will always be drunken football hooligans in my heart.
@@keystep8669so much work goes into rationalizing and realizing the satirical elements that they just dont seem satirical to most. When the allegoical in-universe response isnt overexaggerated, ironic, or funny, it stops having a claim to the word
A thing American fans of Warhammer ought to do, like I did, is learn about it, at least partially, from another fan, a fan that is aware of the fact that it is satire, because partially because of our films and TV series, British sarcasm translate to our versions of satire and sarcasm because we express them differently, so unless it is explicitly broken down how 40K is a satire piece, not every American is going to get it. I mean, I came to the same conclusion as it being a satire because I took a liking to it and read a couple books that aren't the best at being introductory, but they gave me the perspective in-universe that I needed to realize that it was blatantly satire
@donut3946 well it depends, the books I started with were the third book in the trilogy of the plague Wars and Longshot, both are more reliant on you having context, Godblight because it's the end of a trilogy, and long shot because it makes plenty of references to both Imperium and empirical equipment weapons and vehicles, and I only kind of had a basis of understanding. Plus long shot is a lot more grounded, because it's from the perspective of a sniper squad, and Godblight is the end of a trilogy so all the context for such satire is already well into the story, and if you don't know what you're looking for, it doesn't really come off as much beyond a story from a couple handfuls of perspectives. I recognize that it's more obvious in some books or games then others, but the ones I started off with were less clearly satire, but it could just be me because usually when I read a book I delve into the in-universe logic and apply that to my observations, so I probably wouldn't recognize satire if it's not in my face, because I'm usually too into the mindset of the characters
Little small fun fact. Judge dread equivalents exist in 40k (Adeptus Arbetis)they also have dangerous weapons ment to sub due criminals but I can't name one rn. But if I remember correctly they have shock batons that can straight up kill somebody
And their code of laws is so big it needs an entire library just to house it, with dozens of them being contradictory The individual arbites carry a smaller book that's the size of all of Tolkien's collective written work, and has a fraction of a fraction of the Imperium's laws.
@sev1120 think I heard a scene where an arbeties says "Hey listen if you were truly innocent as you claim. The emperor would have stopped my shells. But the you would have been guilty of wasting my ammo"
@17thmidnight96 That's similar to the military's attitude to friendly fire. "The loss of life is regrettable. The wasted ammunition is inexcusable" The Arbites are the Gestapo, SS & FBI rolled into one
In terms of comics, "Bamse" was ironically a comic that grew with the reader. Each real year was a year that progressed in the comic. *Until* they suddenly froze time. Like, he met someone, got married, had kids, raised the kids, all in real time. Until the kids became tweens, then time froze for... reasons. Which is sad. I'd have loved to see it keep progressing.
The number of people I’ve seen who do but understand that cyberpunk is both satire and a dystopia is wild to me. Especially the number of fans it has in the tech bro scene.
Now- just Devil’s advocate here. The last English class I was in that highlighted satire, we used a piece from the UK. It was a letter to the British Queen suggesting that the Irish famine could have been solved by changing society so that women were essentially cows and babies were sold off to the British rich men as an exotic delicacy. Little needed said here, but she was pissed because she thought the satire was real.
As an American, I have loved the warhammer franchise. It's satire yes but it's refreshing to see it in the form of non-comedy(most of the time). Many satirical franchises have, to me personally, felt like a dire warning of the wrong path to travel down.
The fact that one of the few times Dredd is unambiguously the "good guy" was when he was up against an undead Judge from another dimension that killed every living thing in its world because it decided since all crimes are commit by the living that being alive is a crime, should make it pretty obvious Dredd is parody.
I know this might be a hot take but I prefer the first Dredd movie to the second. Like honestly watching the second one when it got to the end i was like, "where's him getting kicked off the force? Where's the second half to my movie?"
I think I heard somewhere that Stallone went in and rewrote the script because he stipulated in his contracts that he could. He didn't read the comics and changed a bunch of stuff which resulted in the movie we got.
In the 1995 film (fantastic opening shots) the film company paid for the right to use anything that was in the Judge Dredd universe. When Rico kills the pawnshop owner (Ian Dury). He steals a robot. That Robot was Hammerstein, an ABC warrior, which isn't from the Judge Dredd universe but from another strip entirely. 2000AD could have sued, but didn't.
When I was growing up PBS played shows like Flying Circus, Faulty Towers, and Are You Being Served. I find that I have a much different, wider view of comedy than most of my fellow US citizens. Given the comedy I grew up on, it also gave me a MUCH thicker skin.
For Warhammer 40K it’s not that Americans don’t get the sarcasm… it’s that certain Americans LIKE the idea of a grimdark universe where they envision themselves as the badass Astartes Space Marine
loved the reference to 40k. it is way over the top, and pointing out that some of the current laws are dumb at the same time. it's a joke and a fear at the same time.
Funnily enough the entire standpoint of the Imperium following a dying skeleton carcass that they called their god (which by the way, people who know the lore realize he Hates that) is completely lore accurate as that's Literally the argument for Chaos' fighting with the Imperium
Im sorry what? I'm a huge fan of the channel and I thought you stopped posting big is suddenly got you in my recommendations and I now see you've been posting again for months, I guess youtube unsubscrbed me or something I've got no idea what happened? happy to see you again!
Why do you tease me with a warhammer Fact Fiend video, if you ever changed your mind the Orky Boy is grimsical and da best Green is best. WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAUGH!!!!
My satirical take on the difference between British and American satire is through the lens of Don Quixote. The characters in British satire is much like the mad Don himself. What he may be doing is completely insane, he is taking it all quite seriously. Whereas the characters in American satire are similar to his "squire", Sancho Panza. Well aware that what they are doing is madness, but goes along with it anyway. Much to his detriment, often to comedic affect.
So the Emperor in 40K is a corpse who's only a little dead on a bigass golden throne and kept that way by the daily panicked, last dying thoughts of 1000 magic humans. But there's also the theory that the Emperor is like that because the green, cockney Ork boys believe it and it has to be true then, I'm only now seeing the satire of how it is in real life now 😂
I think I know why at least I, as an American want to take Warhammer seriously. Though this is personal and not subjective of the USA as a whole. At least how we see media, the second it is not either sports or a real story like another war movie on WW2, it is just viewed as a story for kids. Or is not just... given the time of day. Animation in particular is a victim of this. And it grows tiring since as a result of this the media is viewed as lesser quality, which is complete and utter bullshit but it's just... how it is. With Warhammer yeah it is supposed to be a parody/satire comedy, but to be honest I just want to take it seriously cause it is cool. To most older Americans it's just "bah, another scifi story" and it ignored though that has changed slightly. It is a series I adore and is fun to explore. And it is the only franchise I know that is not "just another story for kids." And it is so fucking tiring to hear. It is obviously also as you stated a different kind of sarcasm, more subtle in tone, but for once in my life I found a fictional universe that is brutal, dark, and doesn't do the Chandler Bing style of sarcasm. So sure I can get it, but I don't want to. I don't want another media franchise I care about just be lumped in with "ah, what a silly thing to get invested in." I just am tired and want to lose myself in the world, think about the grim aspects of the lore in a realistic context. Just... I dunno, America is way different and I hate how it views most media. Edit: One more thing I remember from a documentary a while ago I think is another worthy thing to mention. It literally was on this topic on the differences between American and British humor. It does not explain the subtle difference thing but I think it helps understand the perspective change. It primarily has to do with attitude towards events and the news. A lot of the time with American news every single day it is the story of another killing, gang violence, another convicted criminal, news that focuses on the more horrible aspects of the nation at that time. But with news in the UK it primarily just details important things and a bit more positive outlook. Stories of a nearby animal shelter with nearly no animals left because everyone was adopting, stories of festivities going on around town, etcetera. Of course there are exceptions to both cases. As there is with a lot of things, but it still plays into media and how it operates. With most UK comedies the endings are more grim and have bad endings as a punchline. I can't recall what it is but there was a British comedy about WW2 and the finale was a group of men charging from the trenches. That was the ending with the implications being they were about to die. Another scene for comparison is from a show called Futurama. There was an episode in the show where the robot devil gave Fry, the main character his hands to play a musical instrument since he was bad at it and Fry wanted to impress his love interest. Fry became famous for it but at the end the Devil took back his hands and when Fry was terrible again everyone left except his love interest. Where he played for her and it was implied to be a happy ending. Meanwhile with a British styled comedy it probably would have just ended with everyone leaving. Paragraph long thing aside, it probably has to do with American's have a far more... grim view on shit. Or more likely just a grim way to deal with things. So when we see "in the grim darkness of the far future, there is only war." We kinda just accept it, we see it all the time with the news and similar media. Seems legit. I unno, just thought it interesting to bring up.
American humor is a little more middle of the road, but it's more reliable. British humor, as I have found, rides on the fringes. It can either be the most brilliantly subtle joke, or just a man saying silly words, then calling it comedy.
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I am an English teacher in the states. I think people here tend to think satire is inherently comedic. It is not.
Satire is inherently comedic, if you get the joke... Perhaps you mean to say Americans interpret satire as purely sardonic, and slapstic. e.g. South Park.
@QuinnKallisti I wouldn't say it's inherently comedic, though. More than not, however, it does often lead to comedic elements.
Handmaid's Tale and Brave New World are very much satire. Those pieces of writing are firmly not comedy.
@@keystep8669 That's not Satire, that's dystopian speculative fiction...
1984 is not Satire, Animal Farm is Satire.
Exaggeration of thematic societal elements is not inherently satire.
Also, comedy doesn't have to be "funny", though Americans think comedy has to be "funny"... generally.... this particular opinion here is painted with a particularly broad brush
Satire = not always "funny", Though inherently comedic.
Think, Shakespearean Comedy... Versus your average Jim Carrey Film.
American Comedy = generally "Funny" e.g. not "Cringe" like much of British comedy.
My interpretation of "Funny" here serves to delineate between the kind of "funny haha" joke you tell in front of your family, versus the brutal dark humor you use in the face of a grim situation.
I think across the board the American "Comedy" leans toward the slapstick theme. This is why they miss the nuance of satire when it is not being "Funny haha" such as in a Mad Magazine, or on Saturday Night Live.
I would not go as far to say however, that every representational tale of things and concepts as they exist taken too far are satire, or inherently satire.
@@keystep8669I totally agree with you
@@QuinnKallisti you clearly don't know the meaning of the term satire.
If its got 40k-esque gold plated eagle pauldrons theres at least a 80% chance its satire.
40k stole the pauldrons from Judge Dredd
@vxicepickxv well, yeah, but 40k is significantly more well known and makes the comparison a lot more likely to land with more people.
@@joshhitxoriginal9367 But its wrong in the same way that people who called the first Space Marine game a ripoff of Gears of War were wrong.
edit: and just a reminder for anyone who might not know, it goes way further than just the pauldrons... Adeptus Arbites is all I need to say.
@@whyjnot420 they wear buckets on their heads. This is funny to me.
@@whyjnot420tbf OP never said 40k originated the look, just that it’s 40k-esque, which is accurate
Been reading Dredd comics for ages. Mostly spot on, but their are several instances on thr comics where Dredd does the equivalent of looking the other way or letting someone go. Part of what makes him a fun character. Every once a blue moon you see that sliver of humanity from him.
True, but that doesn't take away from the terrible human being someone like him would be. That's the criticism and satire.
starship troopers is brilliant sarcasm
Yea, just not in the book.
@@nosville22book is walking both sides of the line between 1950s US Republicans and 1930s European authoritarian regimes. It's not a place I would like anybody (let alone me) to live in, but it's still not full on totalitarianism.
About warhammer - Terra (Earth) is an overpopulated mess, being home for quadrillions of people, oceans dried out, there is no way to produce any food on it, but it is home planet of humanity and it is Emperor's home, so Terra is taking taxes from all of the worlds under Empirium's rule and gets ungodly amounts of food and other resources every day, but vast majoriy of humans living there are still living in extreme poverty and starving
...huh, seems fine way to rule the galaxy
And Terra's nowhere near as bard as Mars.
If you're on Mars, you basically have to live underground coz the surface is an irradiated hellhole, and if they miss even 1 food shipment the entire planet starves.
Terra can at least process their dead into Corpse Starch
Jason Kingsley, the guy who owns Rebellion publishing (and therefore the Judge Dredd IP) is sorta based for a CEO. He genuinely understands what he's in control of, and a decent amount of his money goes into funding his UA-cam channel about history and also him LARPing as a medieval knight. Man said to himself "I've got enough money that I can pretend to be a knight, I don't need more.
No need to pretend, he has been knighted.
@@chromeghoul3022 No, he's only a CBE which doesn't give him the rank of Knight or the ability to use the Sir honourific.
10 million pts for citing the 40k warp drive refueling process. But of course it's grimdark so that's just the cover story they tell the masses: the reality is warp drives run on human souls. There's nothing in that fuel canister.
I thought the warp-drive just does its thing and the Black Fleets are there to collect your Garmin subscription fee…
First time watching Dredd, I didnt realize Dredd didnt know if Moms dead mans switch would fail.
He was willing to bring that whole building down, (and himself with it,) because hes mission was to eliminate her.
True cinema!
He passed judgement.
Tech bros: After years of research and development and billions of dollars spent, we have finally invented the Tournament Nexus™ from the award winning sci-fi novel "Don't Invent the Tournament Nexus"
I can't tell if this is a joke that's going straight over my head or not, but it's the Torment Nexus.
I have to thank my mom for getting me into Monty Python as a kid
British humor is so different they spell it humour.
I'm a homeless veteran right now in Orlando Florida. Mostly because of the lockdowns. This year they made it illegal to sleep.
My God, that's horrible, I'm so sorry to hear that and I feel terrible, I really feel bad for the people in your situation. You do not deserve this.
If I was in a bit of a better financial situation myself and if I lived in the USA I'd love to help you out. I just don't know how, but if there were a way we could help you out maybe you could tell us.
I really wish you the best and hopefully you can find shelter or someone who can help you out in a mid to long term period. Strength, brother.
Land of the free...
The lockdowns in 2020 and 2021? Kept you from getting a job by the end of 2024? You sure it wasn't, oh, a drug problem?
@@SystemScandllwe have less freedoms in America then people had in the 1980s and they illegalized booze then
Whole conversation about irony and satire. Uses sarcasm. Brilliant.
I'm from America. Tennessee specifically. And while they haven't directly made homelessness a crime, they have several laws that make it very easy to arrest them for how they live, including making it illegal for them to sleep in a public place.
As an American who has read some Dredd comics, I didn't realize it was satire until in one panel they had Jimmy Carter on Mount Rushmore
Ah yes, place where it's illegal to die - Longyearbyen. Been working there, was very surprised at some of the laws. Found the cemetary, actually, 36 graves since the place was founded like 100 years ago. The thing is - it's illegal to grow old and die of old age so as soon as you're a pensioner - you're out of there. If you aren't working in that town - you're not living in that town. It's also illegal to suffer a terminal illness there. You can still legally get run over by a car, and they will ship your body to mainland Norway. It's also illegal to be buried there.
Servo skulls are the remains of the honoured faithful, but broadly yes.
16:40 I know he meant extenuating, but I think I just found my new favorite concept, "Existential circumstances"
I didn't see it / think it that way.
Maybe it was a slip up on Lucas' part but still is correct in a way, since of course you'd have to consider a whole bunch of philosophical existential circumstances in order to judge and condemn someone; and many people in that position aren't inherently intellectually, philosophically nor ontologically prepared to deal with cases and judgements on a philosophical, epistemological and unbiased sense, sadly.
Monty python has some of the best sarcasm
Monty Python is funny af
No its not 😂 department of arguments
The satire is basically why I got Warhammer, and helldivers 2 being basically starship troopers, probably my favorite satirical movie
Starship troopers is kinda messed up since the source material was actually not meant to be satirical at all.
To be fair, Dredd himself is the parody. Not all judges are like him. Also the satirical aspects are a lot more obvious in the early progs.
As I'm listening to this I'm playing Deep Rock Galactic: Survivor, a game about dwarves in space mining rocks and killing bugs. It's a satire of corporate culture and workplace hazards.
Just like Starship Troopers.
You definitely right about Americans and sarcasm I use sarcasm all the time and i keep having to explain that I'm being sarcastic while saying the most outta pocket stuff
12:23 you may be thinking about Longyearbyen, Svalbard! It’s not that you suddenly become immortal when you step into town, you’re just advised to leave if you are going to die because it’s so cold the ground is permanently frozen and won’t decompose your body.
The talk about Judge Dredd and most Warhammer book series are helmed by the same writer never fails to make me laugh.
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Side note: the character of Judge Dredd originated in a comic book called 2000 AD.
The first movie starring Sly Stallone was outright satire and my preferred movie of the two.
The second film, the more critically acclaimed is far more serious drama than satire.
Most misunderstood satire?
Max headroom.
26 yo American here who was raised on Monty Python (weirdly by my very conservative homophobic and racist father) and came upon doctor who on my own around 12, I've most definitely been raised on a UK sense of humor and can confirm, most people here don't catch sarcasm well, but those close to me get it 🤣
I really like Warhammer and I appreciate the satire in it
Warhammer is peak satire. It's wild to me that people don't realize.
Warhammer is a lot like Christianity, it’s fine but its fanbase sure are trying hard to be intolerable.
I think the main opinion is that as the writers changed over the years, people started taking the setting more seriously or kept changing the indicators of the satire to the point that it became watered down to nothing
@@r.connor9280 that’s a pretty good theory. I got into it right at the tail end of second edition. Played orks. Third edition hit and suddenly it focused much more “ferocious feral space warrior” aspects of orks. This is after the older rules with things like “roll a dice, congrats, the squad decided another squad disrespected them - roll for hits and their shots are done for this turn” type stuff and they cut a lot of that out. Since then, they’ve been waffling back and forth on how wacky those lovable gits are, and I think you’re right- that’s confusing as hell. Orks will always be drunken football hooligans in my heart.
@@keystep8669so much work goes into rationalizing and realizing the satirical elements that they just dont seem satirical to most. When the allegoical in-universe response isnt overexaggerated, ironic, or funny, it stops having a claim to the word
A thing American fans of Warhammer ought to do, like I did, is learn about it, at least partially, from another fan, a fan that is aware of the fact that it is satire, because partially because of our films and TV series, British sarcasm translate to our versions of satire and sarcasm because we express them differently, so unless it is explicitly broken down how 40K is a satire piece, not every American is going to get it. I mean, I came to the same conclusion as it being a satire because I took a liking to it and read a couple books that aren't the best at being introductory, but they gave me the perspective in-universe that I needed to realize that it was blatantly satire
What? I saw it immediately. Characters are too sketchy with their attitudes.
@donut3946 well it depends, the books I started with were the third book in the trilogy of the plague Wars and Longshot, both are more reliant on you having context, Godblight because it's the end of a trilogy, and long shot because it makes plenty of references to both Imperium and empirical equipment weapons and vehicles, and I only kind of had a basis of understanding. Plus long shot is a lot more grounded, because it's from the perspective of a sniper squad, and Godblight is the end of a trilogy so all the context for such satire is already well into the story, and if you don't know what you're looking for, it doesn't really come off as much beyond a story from a couple handfuls of perspectives. I recognize that it's more obvious in some books or games then others, but the ones I started off with were less clearly satire, but it could just be me because usually when I read a book I delve into the in-universe logic and apply that to my observations, so I probably wouldn't recognize satire if it's not in my face, because I'm usually too into the mindset of the characters
Little small fun fact. Judge dread equivalents exist in 40k (Adeptus Arbetis)they also have dangerous weapons ment to sub due criminals but I can't name one rn. But if I remember correctly they have shock batons that can straight up kill somebody
And their code of laws is so big it needs an entire library just to house it, with dozens of them being contradictory
The individual arbites carry a smaller book that's the size of all of Tolkien's collective written work, and has a fraction of a fraction of the Imperium's laws.
@sev1120 think I heard a scene where an arbeties says "Hey listen if you were truly innocent as you claim. The emperor would have stopped my shells. But the you would have been guilty of wasting my ammo"
@17thmidnight96 That's similar to the military's attitude to friendly fire. "The loss of life is regrettable. The wasted ammunition is inexcusable"
The Arbites are the Gestapo, SS & FBI rolled into one
wait. next you're going to tell me Kick-Ass is a commentary on celebrating ultra violence.
One of my favorite turn your brain off movies is the first Michael bay transformers. Don't bother watching the rest of 'em.
Dont even watch the 1st one, they are all shit,
23:40 okay not the be that guy tm but those are servo skulls. a servitor is the same basic concept but with a persons full body
In terms of comics, "Bamse" was ironically a comic that grew with the reader. Each real year was a year that progressed in the comic. *Until* they suddenly froze time. Like, he met someone, got married, had kids, raised the kids, all in real time. Until the kids became tweens, then time froze for... reasons. Which is sad. I'd have loved to see it keep progressing.
It's funny I get British sarcasm and miss American sarcasm. Also, there are no good guys in 40k.
The closest are the Farsight Enclaves, and even they're incredibly insular
@sev1120 Even then, eugenics and controlled breeding of "lesser races" is hardly what I'd call good.
I live in Tennessee I can't go to the doctor cause I'm poor pretty much a death sentence for being poor
The number of people I’ve seen who do but understand that cyberpunk is both satire and a dystopia is wild to me. Especially the number of fans it has in the tech bro scene.
This is the whole sarcasm vs sardonic vs facetious vs satire. These all mean different things. Judge Dredd is satire, not sarcasm.
i wish there were more Dredd movies following the 2012 one
There was supposed to be a whole follow-on streaming series starring Karl Urban, but it got shelved during COVID and never happened.
Now- just Devil’s advocate here. The last English class I was in that highlighted satire, we used a piece from the UK. It was a letter to the British Queen suggesting that the Irish famine could have been solved by changing society so that women were essentially cows and babies were sold off to the British rich men as an exotic delicacy. Little needed said here, but she was pissed because she thought the satire was real.
As an American, I have loved the warhammer franchise. It's satire yes but it's refreshing to see it in the form of non-comedy(most of the time). Many satirical franchises have, to me personally, felt like a dire warning of the wrong path to travel down.
I really like how you went from a green screen background tacked to the wall to a gorgeously lit green hue in the background of your room.
Shit, shower, shave, and brush, all in one spot.
Judge Dredd being there wasnt a mistake the law made, it was a happy accident👌😅😂
Dred is a workaholic. Peachtree was a movie for us, the first part of his shift for him.
The fact that one of the few times Dredd is unambiguously the "good guy" was when he was up against an undead Judge from another dimension that killed every living thing in its world because it decided since all crimes are commit by the living that being alive is a crime, should make it pretty obvious Dredd is parody.
This is the closest I'll see to fact fiend talking about 40k and I'm here for it.
Ciaphas Cain books are dripping with sarcasm and satire. I recommend reading/listening to the books.
Life is the Emperor's currency spend it wisely.
As an Aussie I love British sarcasm, we are closer culturally to the place our king lives.
As much as I love Warhammers stories, I don't get how people don't get satire.
The last I heard The punisher two katanas, And works with the devil
I know this might be a hot take but I prefer the first Dredd movie to the second. Like honestly watching the second one when it got to the end i was like, "where's him getting kicked off the force? Where's the second half to my movie?"
British sarcasm is camp
American sarcasm is cynical
Crime is only everywhere in that universe because almost everything is a crime
I think the word you were looking for when trying to describe our humour was "dry".
*opens an umbrella and flies away*
I think I heard somewhere that Stallone went in and rewrote the script because he stipulated in his contracts that he could. He didn't read the comics and changed a bunch of stuff which resulted in the movie we got.
Ending this with the cartoon robocop theme, chefs kiss.
In the 1995 film (fantastic opening shots) the film company paid for the right to use anything that was in the Judge Dredd universe. When Rico kills the pawnshop owner (Ian Dury). He steals a robot. That Robot was Hammerstein, an ABC warrior, which isn't from the Judge Dredd universe but from another strip entirely. 2000AD could have sued, but didn't.
When I was growing up PBS played shows like Flying Circus, Faulty Towers, and Are You Being Served. I find that I have a much different, wider view of comedy than most of my fellow US citizens. Given the comedy I grew up on, it also gave me a MUCH thicker skin.
For Warhammer 40K it’s not that Americans don’t get the sarcasm… it’s that certain Americans LIKE the idea of a grimdark universe where they envision themselves as the badass Astartes Space Marine
Holy hell, its been years since ive seen Fact Fiend in my recommendations, like a full 8 years ago, what the hell happened to the setup.
yaay Karl talked Warhammer. you should do that more.
This sounds like heresy brother. But I think watchmen is another good example
It is!
loved the reference to 40k. it is way over the top, and pointing out that some of the current laws are dumb at the same time. it's a joke and a fear at the same time.
Sarcasm in America is way different. Satire...
Nothing goes over my head. I would catch it.
As an American I thought both 40k and dredd were obviously satire but to be fair tho I watch alot of British tv and am a massive smartass
I AM THE LAW
Funnily enough the entire standpoint of the Imperium following a dying skeleton carcass that they called their god (which by the way, people who know the lore realize he Hates that) is completely lore accurate as that's Literally the argument for Chaos' fighting with the Imperium
Judge dread isn’t satire it is an aspiration please help.
They have lawyers and courts in Mega City One too, it's not just the Judges.
Im sorry what? I'm a huge fan of the channel and I thought you stopped posting big is suddenly got you in my recommendations and I now see you've been posting again for months, I guess youtube unsubscrbed me or something I've got no idea what happened? happy to see you again!
The Imperium being a merge of the ww2 bad guy Germans and the Catholic Church should scream satire
I haven't seen one of your new videos in sooooo long, UA-cam's been hiding your new content away from me!
I'm a little concerned for my fellow countrymen if people out there are taking the faceless "I am the law" guy seriously.
Why do you tease me with a warhammer Fact Fiend video, if you ever changed your mind the Orky Boy is grimsical and da best Green is best. WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAUGH!!!!
I am American, and I will say, I like British humor a lot more than our humor.
My satirical take on the difference between British and American satire is through the lens of Don Quixote.
The characters in British satire is much like the mad Don himself. What he may be doing is completely insane, he is taking it all quite seriously.
Whereas the characters in American satire are similar to his "squire", Sancho Panza. Well aware that what they are doing is madness, but goes along with it anyway. Much to his detriment, often to comedic affect.
It's not that they don't get satire, this stuff is just more realistic over here
Some of us here in the states get it, not many though, kinda sucks that i dont have many people here that i can discuss old british television with
Oh man, I forgot how much I use to love this channel....I guess it's just a far away memory...
I’m waiting for the version of this episode that I can understand. . .
Wait so what did people think Dredd was if not satire? I always understood even as a kid that it was poking fun at our cops and legal system.
They actually did deage the punisher in the frankencastle storyline.
You guys and your british satire 😂
Born and live in the UK but never considered anything like this as satire 🤦♂️
So the Emperor in 40K is a corpse who's only a little dead on a bigass golden throne and kept that way by the daily panicked, last dying thoughts of 1000 magic humans.
But there's also the theory that the Emperor is like that because the green, cockney Ork boys believe it and it has to be true then, I'm only now seeing the satire of how it is in real life now 😂
Trust me. Us Americans make fun of the people here who lack media literacy.
..is anyone else bothered by the almost-standard-android-ringtone in the backround?
I always thought satire was a fabric
The homeless man ends up splattered. Lol
4:49 He wishes he was the God Emperor of mankind 😆
always love a fact fiend video
I didn't know that Warhammer and judge dredd was made in The Uk
But after watching the vid, i ain't shocked
I think I know why at least I, as an American want to take Warhammer seriously. Though this is personal and not subjective of the USA as a whole. At least how we see media, the second it is not either sports or a real story like another war movie on WW2, it is just viewed as a story for kids. Or is not just... given the time of day. Animation in particular is a victim of this. And it grows tiring since as a result of this the media is viewed as lesser quality, which is complete and utter bullshit but it's just... how it is. With Warhammer yeah it is supposed to be a parody/satire comedy, but to be honest I just want to take it seriously cause it is cool. To most older Americans it's just "bah, another scifi story" and it ignored though that has changed slightly. It is a series I adore and is fun to explore. And it is the only franchise I know that is not "just another story for kids." And it is so fucking tiring to hear. It is obviously also as you stated a different kind of sarcasm, more subtle in tone, but for once in my life I found a fictional universe that is brutal, dark, and doesn't do the Chandler Bing style of sarcasm. So sure I can get it, but I don't want to. I don't want another media franchise I care about just be lumped in with "ah, what a silly thing to get invested in." I just am tired and want to lose myself in the world, think about the grim aspects of the lore in a realistic context. Just... I dunno, America is way different and I hate how it views most media.
Edit: One more thing I remember from a documentary a while ago I think is another worthy thing to mention. It literally was on this topic on the differences between American and British humor. It does not explain the subtle difference thing but I think it helps understand the perspective change. It primarily has to do with attitude towards events and the news. A lot of the time with American news every single day it is the story of another killing, gang violence, another convicted criminal, news that focuses on the more horrible aspects of the nation at that time. But with news in the UK it primarily just details important things and a bit more positive outlook. Stories of a nearby animal shelter with nearly no animals left because everyone was adopting, stories of festivities going on around town, etcetera. Of course there are exceptions to both cases. As there is with a lot of things, but it still plays into media and how it operates. With most UK comedies the endings are more grim and have bad endings as a punchline. I can't recall what it is but there was a British comedy about WW2 and the finale was a group of men charging from the trenches. That was the ending with the implications being they were about to die. Another scene for comparison is from a show called Futurama. There was an episode in the show where the robot devil gave Fry, the main character his hands to play a musical instrument since he was bad at it and Fry wanted to impress his love interest. Fry became famous for it but at the end the Devil took back his hands and when Fry was terrible again everyone left except his love interest. Where he played for her and it was implied to be a happy ending. Meanwhile with a British styled comedy it probably would have just ended with everyone leaving.
Paragraph long thing aside, it probably has to do with American's have a far more... grim view on shit. Or more likely just a grim way to deal with things. So when we see "in the grim darkness of the far future, there is only war." We kinda just accept it, we see it all the time with the news and similar media. Seems legit. I unno, just thought it interesting to bring up.
American humor is a little more middle of the road, but it's more reliable.
British humor, as I have found, rides on the fringes. It can either be the most brilliantly subtle joke, or just a man saying silly words, then calling it comedy.
Well this has certainly inspired my move to the UL