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What a great video, thank you. I moved from Boston MA to New Albany Indiana back in 2016, I absolutely LOVE living here. I have never looked back to living in any big city again. My quality of life is ten fold. There's plenty of great paying jobs here and the cost of living is cheap. It's super quite and peaceful here. I sit outside for hours and am blown away at how quiet it is. If you're looking for a night life or bigger, more store's it's only a 15 minute drive across the bridge to Louisville. I couldn't have made a better choice moving here
Never would have considered Indiana for a possible relocation before your video! I'm looking at one last move. Really want to move to Florida like many people my age. But most recently I moved to Northwest Arkansas and the climate in New Albany isn't that much worse. Rent is affordable and it looks like they have relatively dependable mass transit; very important in the scheme of things. Thanks, Chris.
I moved from Boston MA 6 years ago and never looked back. Talk about a beautiful quality of life and very nice people down here, I love it. There's great jobs too!! Cost of living is low. I sit outside for hours and can't believe how quiet it is lol
It's so weird seeing someone tour my town even though I've been everywhere here. The one thing I love about New Albany is about the annual Fall Festival they host. It's a quick walk downtown near the Rec bar and Riverfront. :)
New Albany is a wonderful place to live! Wonderful downtown restaurants, walkability, outdoor activities, and only 5 minutes from Louisville. Our Main Street redesign is going to be a big hit!
Was nice seeing this. As a New Albany native, I was naming the streets on you were on before you did. When you were commenting on the Harvest Homecoming, you should have done that when passing the Mural , not to mention nothing of the Post Office or National Guard facilities. I think you should do a part two with better historical info and maybe attend the Harvest Homecoming festival and see for yourself how big it is.
That was the house I grew up in at time stamp 28:34 right next to the corner store that used to be called little tiger's Great video talking about my hometown. One thing I would maybe add would be loop Island on the Ohio River. Beautiful wooded area
Good video! I subbed! I used to live here in New Albany Indiana in 2008 when I was 7 I lived in Southern California my whole life so moving to New Albany Indiana was a different feeling but I miss New Albany Indiana had a lot of good memories with my older brother in New Albany Indiana I was 7 back then in 2008 when I lived here. Early 2009 I moved back to Southern California. There is definitely lots lots lots more in Southern California then New Albany Indiana but I miss it there in New Albany Indiana due to the good memories.
Don't know what you are used to, so this may not be an issue for you... But it does get cold in the Winter. Not as bad as some parts. If you are in the mountain west, no problem. If you are in Florida, brrr.
Looks like a nice small town, hopefully they can get those crime stats down. I'm a big fan of small town architecture of the mini mansions of the past. Thanks for the tour!👍🏻
Yeah crime here isnt that big of a deal. Somebody might break in to your car at some point but that's about the extent, unless you are looking for it. It's a small city, but it's a suburb of a major city. Literally directly across the river are violent gangs and drug violence, a couple hundred homicides a year, and all the other big city problems that exist. It's very peaceful here tho. Very diverse as well.
you probably arn't going to read this but you should do another video on Sothern Illinois preferably Murphysboro Illinois it has a great history from the civil war to the tristate tornado to the 20 thousand people that used to live there to the factories leaving to modern day
Thanks for making the video it was nice to see that not that much has changed since I left Southern Indiana area three years ago I kinda always liked New Albany better than Jeffersonville
@@ChrisHarden cool my step sister and one of my best friends lives in Jeff I lived there from 2005 till 2019 the area is pretty nice but I have come to love Canton Ohio more now since leaving
My hometown, I left in 81. 30:56 time stamp, Kraft Cemetery. My family is there. Thanks for the memories. I enjoyed growing up there, great place to live but life took me away.
New Albany is now a thriving city especially the downtown area. Although I found some useful information in this video, I don't feel like you did the town justice. The weekly Farmers Market and the October Harvest Homecoming festival are both awesome and DO attract visitors from all over. I live in Louisville but I drive 20 minutes to the Saturday Farmers Market because it's awesome and the prices are much better than the Farmers Markets in Louisville.
Has much as I dislike New Albany, there is history and at the time of your video there was a upcoming event on the river and that's why there was so many port-a-potts. Did you fail to notice decorations and the food/beer trucks. Also you should have mentioned New Albany loves to support it's local alcoholics with the about 10 bars in a 10 block radius. Not restaurants, bars. The generic skate park.
I haven't met one slave owner in New Albany. I've lived in Floyd County since '88. You're looking for racism where there is none. I wasn't born in southern Indiana but I got here as quick as I could.
I love your videos, especially the Indiana ones since I live in Indiana. Just want to point out that Indiana didn’t lose to the Peacocks. They lost to the Gaels. Purdue lost to the Peacocks tonight, but obviously that hadn’t happened at the time you made this video.
I used to live over near New Albany I liked it ❤️And yes unfortunately southern Indiana did have slavery there was slavery as far north as Vincennes Indiana..😭
Old Clarksville, IN has more history within its town than any other town in IN. Louisville, New Albany, Jeffersonville that surrounds Old Clarksville, IN came about long after Old Clarksville, IN. 1773
What is it with the snarky approach? As someone born and raised in New Albany, I have a number of comments regarding your "review" of my hometown. First , the Ohio River's color comes from the fact that it carries a lot of sentiment. Also, you don't swim in the river because the current is very strong. Second, your snarky comment regarding the port-a-potties disregards the fact that they were put there for a festival, probably July 4. Third, you only drove around a very small part of the total city. Third, part of your video in the Knobs is not even in New Albany. Fourth, your assertion that many who attend IUS move away is categorically wrong since many of the professionals in the area received their degrees from IUS and about 20% of IUS's students are from Louisville because of a reciprocity agreement between Indiana and Kentucky.
New Albany Indiana close to Evansville the Indiana and to Kentucky it's like NWI Northwest Indiana between Gary East Chicago and Hammond on the borders photos of Chicago Illinois get for real
For some reason this video is unwatchable do to buffering. This is the only video doing this as I have been watching other videos for over 2 hours now with no buffering issues that I see with this video. I wonder why.
Yeah the last couple of uploads of mine have only been available in 5k when watching on certain devices. Lower resolutions should be available tomorrow I’m guessing.
I was just watching your video about new Albany. And you where listing some of the business. Hitachi Cable America isn't a cable company. They make car part's.
Why didn't you bring up what happened in Portland and Seattle with BLM killing white and other blacks but that's okay that's not considered racism so much for watching your Channel
Great place to live when it comes to peace and some restaurants. The community is not good for work opportunities for minority administrators or managers in most situations. It is a very white-only type of club. Most minorites have to leave the community for employment. Luckily Louisville is across the water and opportunities are there.
Dang seriously? Lower resolutions should be available around Sunday I'm guessing. I uploaded this video overnight, but I've made videos public after uploading them to UA-cam only 12 hours before many different times... it only just recently started to have this problem.
That issue is fixed now for the last video. For this video it should be fixed after a couple of days of being uploaded. Not sure why it’s been happening, but I know what’s causing it now and how to prevent it from happening in the future at least.
@@ChrisHarden Thanks Mr. Harden! I totally enjoy your videos and was bumed when I couldn't watch the newest ones. I'm so glad you got the issue resolved. I'll keep checking back. Safe travels!
@@jerrytwolanes4659 Thanks, yeah I’m annoyed by the issue too. Seems like it’s on UA-cam’s end of things as I haven’t changed anything about how I upload videos.
Yes you will get a ticket and when cops pull you over there's will be two cop cars ,and better hope it ain't 2 ND shift cops .but it's all right for them to go way over the speed limit .
I like these videos but liked them better when they don't have the forced "Nick Johnson politics" stuff in them. I want driving tours of neat areas. Not forced partisan (bad) jokes like "...before the woke media tried to divide us." Unnecessary and doesn't add anything to the video.
@Glenna Harrell That's not true!!! I'm from New Albany and now live in GA. New Albany's like Mayberry compared to other cities around the country!!! I know it's changed a little, but, for the most part, it's still a pretty decent place to live and raise a family!!!😂😂😂
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I moved from Louisville to NA 2 years ago and it’s the best decision I ever made. Thanks for the video
What a great video, thank you. I moved from Boston MA to New Albany Indiana back in 2016, I absolutely LOVE living here. I have never looked back to living in any big city again. My quality of life is ten fold. There's plenty of great paying jobs here and the cost of living is cheap. It's super quite and peaceful here. I sit outside for hours and am blown away at how quiet it is. If you're looking for a night life or bigger, more store's it's only a 15 minute drive across the bridge to Louisville. I couldn't have made a better choice moving here
Welcome my friend! Born and raised here in New Albany.
I totally agree.
I grew up and live in New Albany, IN
Never would have considered Indiana for a possible relocation before your video! I'm looking at one last move. Really want to move to Florida like many people my age. But most recently I moved to Northwest Arkansas and the climate in New Albany isn't that much worse. Rent is affordable and it looks like they have relatively dependable mass transit; very important in the scheme of things. Thanks, Chris.
I made the decision to retire here after a 40-plus year absence and am glad I did.
You should totally move here! It's a really nice place :)
don't move here, it's awful
@@ArielNichele took me three years to decide the last move. Unlikely to move again soon.
I moved from Boston MA 6 years ago and never looked back. Talk about a beautiful quality of life and very nice people down here, I love it. There's great jobs too!! Cost of living is low. I sit outside for hours and can't believe how quiet it is lol
It's so weird seeing someone tour my town even though I've been everywhere here. The one thing I love about New Albany is about the annual Fall Festival they host. It's a quick walk downtown near the Rec bar and Riverfront. :)
HARVEST HOMECOMING!
I love everything about living here. Allergies kicked my butt in the beginning 😂
New Albany is a wonderful place to live! Wonderful downtown restaurants, walkability, outdoor activities, and only 5 minutes from Louisville. Our Main Street redesign is going to be a big hit!
Pretty town...a day trip for my wife and I. Thanks for capturing the feel of the place.
As someone who is considering visiting, it would have been nice to see a video made by someone who likes the town or can give details about it.
Hi Carmen. I like the town and I gave details about it.
Was nice seeing this. As a New Albany native, I was naming the streets on you were on before you did. When you were commenting on the Harvest Homecoming, you should have done that when passing the Mural , not to mention nothing of the Post Office or National Guard facilities. I think you should do a part two with better historical info and maybe attend the Harvest Homecoming festival and see for yourself how big it is.
Good video, worth waiting on the resolution to sort itself out.
I'm from New Albany, relocated to Mesa AZ 1971. I still refer to New Albany as "back home". Thanks for the walk thru memory lane.❤
That was the house I grew up in at time stamp 28:34 right next to the corner store that used to be called little tiger's
Great video talking about my hometown. One thing I would maybe add would be loop Island on the Ohio River. Beautiful wooded area
You can't ever change the music on your videos. The one tune now gets stuck in my head 🤣
I used to love sitting on the bench you pass by at 2:00 when I lived in Louisville and was feeling lonely 😅
The algorithm is the least of your worries.
I grew up in Louisville and live in New Albany. It is pretty nice place to live.
I find these videos so relaxing
That is one of the top 10 cutist towns that I've seen on this channel. I would totally live there.
Good video! I subbed! I used to live here in New Albany Indiana in 2008 when I was 7 I lived in Southern California my whole life so moving to New Albany Indiana was a different feeling but I miss New Albany Indiana had a lot of good memories with my older brother in New Albany Indiana I was 7 back then in 2008 when I lived here. Early 2009 I moved back to Southern California. There is definitely lots lots lots more in Southern California then New Albany Indiana but I miss it there in New Albany Indiana due to the good memories.
Thanks for the trip down memory lane lol lived in the area from 1983-1993
It just looks like had an event at the amphitheater. The fact that they have so many Portia potty’s would be a good thing.
What an attractive town! It must be lovely in the Fall particularly!
Don't know what you are used to, so this may not be an issue for you...
But it does get cold in the Winter.
Not as bad as some parts. If you are in the mountain west, no problem.
If you are in Florida, brrr.
It is absolutely beautiful here in the fall.
You failed to show the historical markers, like the ungrounded railroad tunnels and other important markers.
Looks like a nice small town, hopefully they can get those crime stats down. I'm a big fan of small town architecture of the mini mansions of the past. Thanks for the tour!👍🏻
For sure!
well it's actually a small city, not small town.
I live here, it’s a nice quiet little city with very little crime compared to Louisville across the bridge
Yeah crime here isnt that big of a deal. Somebody might break in to your car at some point but that's about the extent, unless you are looking for it. It's a small city, but it's a suburb of a major city. Literally directly across the river are violent gangs and drug violence, a couple hundred homicides a year, and all the other big city problems that exist. It's very peaceful here tho. Very diverse as well.
My father grew up in New Albany, Indiana. He lived on Ohio St.
the porta potties were there because of a festival -they usually aren't there
Born and raised in New Albany. All in all, not the worst place you can live.
you probably arn't going to read this but you should do another video on Sothern Illinois preferably Murphysboro Illinois it has a great history from the civil war to the tristate tornado to the 20 thousand people that used to live there to the factories leaving to modern day
I read it and I plan on going there one day!
Thanks for making the video it was nice to see that not that much has changed since I left Southern Indiana area three years ago I kinda always liked New Albany better than Jeffersonville
Clarksville will be coming soon! And hopefully Jeffersonville and Sellersburg depending on what the weather is like when I’ll be down there.
@@ChrisHarden cool my step sister and one of my best friends lives in Jeff I lived there from 2005 till 2019 the area is pretty nice but I have come to love Canton Ohio more now since leaving
I lived in Evansville, Indiana for 10 years . I called it Evils Ville populated by children of the corn
My hometown, I left in 81. 30:56 time stamp, Kraft Cemetery. My family is there. Thanks for the memories. I enjoyed growing up there, great place to live but life took me away.
I would like to have seen something about Floyd's Knobs too.
This looks like a nice place.
New Albany is now a thriving city especially the downtown area. Although I found some useful information in this video, I don't feel like you did the town justice. The weekly Farmers Market and the October Harvest Homecoming festival are both awesome and DO attract visitors from all over. I live in Louisville but I drive 20 minutes to the Saturday Farmers Market because it's awesome and the prices are much better than the Farmers Markets in Louisville.
Ok.
Wise guy narrative.
I was born and raised in New Albany.
Have you been to New Hampshire? If you ever do, can you go to Keene?
My hometown ❤️❤️❤️
Great stuff top notch👍🙏🙏🙏
I'm sorry if I missed when you shot this video because everything is green for this time of year. It says the video was released on March 25th.
I have the date that the filming took place in the bottom left.
Has much as I dislike New Albany, there is history and at the time of your video there was a upcoming event on the river and that's why there was so many port-a-potts. Did you fail to notice decorations and the food/beer trucks. Also you should have mentioned New Albany loves to support it's local alcoholics with the about 10 bars in a 10 block radius. Not restaurants, bars. The generic skate park.
Thank you! Nothing but bars and churches, you can drink yourself absolutely stupid but they’ll throw you in overnight for a roach of weed.
Thanks for helping us tell our story!
I haven't met one slave owner in New Albany. I've lived in Floyd County since '88. You're looking for racism where there is none. I wasn't born in southern Indiana but I got here as quick as I could.
I love your videos, especially the Indiana ones since I live in Indiana. Just want to point out that Indiana didn’t lose to the Peacocks. They lost to the Gaels. Purdue lost to the Peacocks tonight, but obviously that hadn’t happened at the time you made this video.
You’re right. Good catch. Got St. Mary’s and St. Peter’s mixed up. Even more proof that I’m not popular in Indiana. 🤣
My hometown. New Albany is very diverse and there is definitely not a vibe of hate here.
I used to live over near New Albany I liked it ❤️And yes unfortunately southern Indiana did have slavery there was slavery as far north as Vincennes Indiana..😭
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Enjoyed your video! 👏
Old Clarksville, IN has more history within its town than any other town in IN. Louisville, New Albany, Jeffersonville that surrounds Old Clarksville, IN came about long after Old Clarksville, IN. 1773
Right, and to me it’s funny how Clarksville has the least impressive “historic downtown” out of all three of the cities on the Indiana side.
Here for the comments😎.. wanted to see if your devil voice was here💯☀️ love the content keep on keeping on.
Haha I think I’ve started to scare some of them off.
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you should do a video on Lapeer MI
I will one day
What is it with the snarky approach? As someone born and raised in New Albany, I have a number of comments regarding your "review" of my hometown. First , the Ohio River's color comes from the fact that it carries a lot of sentiment. Also, you don't swim in the river because the current is very strong. Second, your snarky comment regarding the port-a-potties disregards the fact that they were put there for a festival, probably July 4. Third, you only drove around a very small part of the total city. Third, part of your video in the Knobs is not even in New Albany. Fourth, your assertion that many who attend IUS move away is categorically wrong since many of the professionals in the area received their degrees from IUS and about 20% of IUS's students are from Louisville because of a reciprocity agreement between Indiana and Kentucky.
Stop kidding yourself, everyone moves out to a state to dodge income tax then moves back and acts like they never left.
New Albany Indiana close to Evansville the Indiana and to Kentucky it's like NWI Northwest Indiana between Gary East Chicago and Hammond on the borders photos of Chicago Illinois get for real
For some reason this video is unwatchable do to buffering. This is the only video doing this as I have been watching other videos for over 2 hours now with no buffering issues that I see with this video. I wonder why.
Yeah the last couple of uploads of mine have only been available in 5k when watching on certain devices. Lower resolutions should be available tomorrow I’m guessing.
Porta-potties because it was July 4th celebrations....but I'm sure u knew that
I was just watching your video about new Albany. And you where listing some of the business. Hitachi Cable America isn't a cable company. They make car part's.
They make cables for Harley Davidson for year's
I love this.
I hope all your are not this bad
Why didn't you bring up what happened in Portland and Seattle with BLM killing white and other blacks but that's okay that's not considered racism so much for watching your Channel
I appreciate your video. I think it has helped me decide to not move to New Albany. Thanks
why do people pronounce Loiusville as 'LuahVoe'?
Because Louisville is a weird place.
Founded by the French. French typically don't pronounce the last letter of a word.
Louie ville.
Great place to live when it comes to peace and some restaurants. The community is not good for work opportunities for minority administrators or managers in most situations. It is a very white-only type of club. Most minorites have to leave the community for employment. Luckily Louisville is across the water and opportunities are there.
2880 only option again!
Dang seriously? Lower resolutions should be available around Sunday I'm guessing. I uploaded this video overnight, but I've made videos public after uploading them to UA-cam only 12 hours before many different times... it only just recently started to have this problem.
@@ChrisHarden I'll watch it later on my phone.
You really look for the worst in the city. so much you say is so not true!
Hubble of satellite fame taught science there for a while.
What? You thought he taught phys Ed?
Bro it’s pronounced luh-vull but it’s fine
Your “thoughts” on racism and the media are off putting and really unnecessary. Great video otherwise.
Yep, totally unimportant for sure.
But he gets the attention of the SJWs just what he wants . That is why this guy is a douche in many of his articles imo
nah. Simply great video
This and the last video keep stopping/pausing, I'll come back to your vids when you fix it
That issue is fixed now for the last video. For this video it should be fixed after a couple of days of being uploaded. Not sure why it’s been happening, but I know what’s causing it now and how to prevent it from happening in the future at least.
@@ChrisHarden Thanks Mr. Harden! I totally enjoy your videos and was bumed when I couldn't watch the newest ones. I'm so glad you got the issue resolved. I'll keep checking back. Safe travels!
@@jerrytwolanes4659 Thanks, yeah I’m annoyed by the issue too. Seems like it’s on UA-cam’s end of things as I haven’t changed anything about how I upload videos.
shoulda went to the projects around here😭😭😭 this video was lame
Yes you will get a ticket and when cops pull you over there's will be two cop cars ,and better hope it ain't 2 ND shift cops .but it's all right for them to go way over the speed limit .
I like these videos but liked them better when they don't have the forced "Nick Johnson politics" stuff in them.
I want driving tours of neat areas. Not forced partisan (bad) jokes like "...before the woke media tried to divide us." Unnecessary and doesn't add anything to the video.
I think it was funny
Agree. He lost me at that. Turned him off and likely won’t be back. (Not that he cares, I’m sure)
Indiana really does suck
New Albany is not a good place to live at all. Been here most of my life and the crime only gets worse. Most hidden by our mayor and police.
@Glenna Harrell That's not true!!! I'm from New Albany and now live in GA. New Albany's like Mayberry compared to other cities around the country!!! I know it's changed a little, but, for the most part, it's still a pretty decent place to live and raise a family!!!😂😂😂
wealthy neighborhood, pre civil war, very rare, l think