46:11 Not the first time I have seen the authorities in control of Egyptian antiquities stop interesting investigations cold. The Pyramids, the Sphinx, and now this. Great going guys.
@@kathleenmuchka2559 Have you ever considered the fact that alot of them are the descendants of the pillagers, which is why they do the toxic things that they do
Yup. They are be all, end all. The amount of ego you gotta have to not acceot any other theory but that of the mainstream teachings. Imagine the possibilities!! Or are thwy hiding something?
Yeah I know. It seems every time one of these documentaries has nowhere left to go, nothing more to claim, and are finally about to show the proof, the egyptian authorities shut them down. It's so inconvenient. I just wish that one time they would shut them down after they find their proof.
@@atheodorasurname6936 Scientists do speculate the Earth's core is just as hot, if not hotter than the Sun, so the ancients seem to have an idea of that
I love how theres always some old guy who's saying "early historians exaggerated, its not possible the army was that large". Simply because they personally couldnt raise and march an army of 50k.
Summary: all is conjecture with no strong evidence. No need to watch the whole video. I was victim by the claikbait thinking what they found is correct and strong evidence. All they found are some pottery with mixed dates and etcs.
No real conclusion, but it's interesting to watch the process explorers go through and the small things they discover along the way. Thank you for sharing.
The most informative thing I found out on this documentary is that Count Almasy from the movie “The English Patient” was actually a real person. Damn, I loved that movie and I’ve seen it like 20 times and never knew.
In his book that we call Historiae, Herodotos told the weirdest stories about the pyramids and temples around it. E.g. he claimed there was a small lake beneath the Sphinx and that in the lake there was an island on which stood a stone sarcophagus. This has been laughed away for 2500 years. But a couple of years ago, they found a shaft going down at least 60 metres (200 feet). It ended in a waterfilled cave in the middle of which was a rectangular island on which a large rectangular stone box still stood erect. Historiae, book 2, section 148, Herodotus tells about a palace with hundreds of rooms along a passageway. Recently it has been found. If Herodotos says the army existed, it had.
@@elizabethcsicsery-ronay1633 Yes I was mistaken. Actually, it is Herodotos. English call Homeros "Homer" and that got me confused. Sorry. I corrected it and added a reference where you can find what I wrote. Did you know that our dating of Homer is solely based on a short line in Historiae, book 2, section 53 ?
@@Nomadcreations Yes, there is because I saw it years ago. The reporter entered from a small opening at the bottom of the righthand side of the sphinx. I can't find it anymore. There are two problems today: 1. tons of crazies and conspiracy fantasists have taken over the subject on UA-cam thereby polluting the site so that good vids are hard to find; and 2. the attitude of Mr. Hawass. It seems he is promoting himself on the one hand and working at getting tourists to Egypt on the other. He rather keeps things a mystery. One reference is Historiae, book 2, section 148. I did not annotate the reference about the pond, though, and should read the long chapter again.
@@charlesvanderhoog7056 Histories 2.148 most certainly does not say that there is a lake under the Sphinx. In this section of his long book on Egypt, Herodotus is talking about other Egyptian wonders he was gobsmacked by (other than the pyramids at Giza, that is). One of these is 'a labyrinth just beyond the lake of Moeris' in the Siwa oasis. He says, 'the pyramids, of course, beggar description [...] but the labyrinth outstrips them all'. Regarding the underground rooms to which I believe you are referring, Herodotus is careful to mention that he did not see them first-hand, stating that he 'can only pass on what [he] was told about them', and that 'the Egyptians who are in charge of the labyrinth absolutely refused to show the underground rooms, on the grounds that there lie the tombs of the kings who originally built the labyrinth'. I don't know where you got your ideas about a hidden lake under the Sphinx being relayed in this passage of Herodotus, but you were misled. He does tell us that there were underground rooms in a labyrinth at Siwa, near a lake, but not that there was an underground lake in Giza. Also, the dating of Homer's Iliad and Odyssey is, likewise, most certainly not based solely on Herodotus. Not by a longshot!
If this is ever found it would be the biggest find by far in the history of archeology. Imagine thousands of weapons, shields, pack trains with gold and silver, and with the dry desert it would be preserved. It is so dry there some of the 50,000 would be mummified.
Unfortunately for the plausibility of this romantic thought, when people die of thirst, they don't stick together and die all at the same time, instead they argue and then wander deliriously in random directions, so if the army is out there, it would be very surprising to locate more than a handful of remains. Furthermore when it's hot and you're dying, you drop heavy weapons and shields in the sand and keep walking. The best evidence that any significant group went out there was the stack of jars against a hill, again, heavy and useless, dropped off and forgotten. This so called biggest find is scattered over hundreds of miles under the great sand sea.
I can tell you JLR would never approve this, the Land Rovers were presented as Pathetic, well, actually, it was their drivers in perfect camera view & sync IMHO, I doubt they even got a "like", never mind funding from JLR. Any Land Rover could do this Terrain with no issues, It's the drama queen and the production team who need to be taken to task for wanton Click baiting. "History" doesn't need another century of opinion, it needs to be reported in an unbiased factual context. I grew up on this shit long before Social Media and really, you should be forced to get it right, if you call it call it "History" then It should be logical, demonstrable and inscrutable. Not like you English ponce about your clouds, more like Reality and Facts don't really matter, they are just guidelines for the peasants. Lessons can be learnt. Anyway good luck with the Stone age, I like your thinking England, but, I doubt you will last a whole century without electricity, trade or Allies who actually trust you anymore.
hahaha, the narrator was warning us in the beginning that they werent going to find anything. Making sure we knew that people already went there first to excavate the site before they got there. Meaning = We aint gon find shit and your going to enjoy all our close up shots of our tires in the sand. Cheers
Love these type of documentarys but this kind of thing at 18:40 really bugs me. Archaeologists and hostorians complain about era's where the civilisations had no written history, but when highly sophisticated ancient society's do write their history down, its constantly doubted. Very annoying tbh.
That's because she is actually thinking logically and scientifically. You sound like one of those who goes around believing every conspiracy theory and fake news just because you can't think for yourself.
Everybody knows that desert is unforgiving, but to say that the army of Cambyses did know where Siwa was located is ridiculous. There were merchants from Siwa who traded with them. So, Cambyses army definitely knows it was.
25:32 how could King Cambyses army reached that far on foot!? how the hell Herodotus know all these detail was he with them and survived! holy crap. No desert oasis will fear if you say there is an army of 50,000 a.h coming towards you. well they wont survive!
Spoiler alert: They find nothing! Why would they when that woman is about as negative as can be about any bones found, the Egyptian expert Ali Barrakat, is barred from coming along because the lack of government approval and the Ministry of Culture's selected sceptic says " yeah we have this stuff somewhere in our inventory but it may be from the bronze age. Arab steeplechase and backpedaling. Thanks for wasting my curiosity.
...actually they found pottery, dead animals and multiple dead people in the middle of nowhere...the previous Ali Barrakat expedition found bronze weapons entirely consistent to ancient Persian in the same place...and that was all on the surface of the ground, all without any excavation....all the backpedaling was the Egyptian antiquities, probably due to their previously failed expedition and understanding the expen$e and difficulty mounting a new one...
The woman’s attitude is terrible. And how they think the guy isnt telling the truth is shameful. It might have showed them the skulls was he allowed to go. Dead on arrival
@@richardavery2894 no it’s not I’m not giving UA-cam a dime , I had premium before all the censorship began I can’t support that , even if something offends me whoever wrote it has that right in my opinion
So we aren't allowed to watch to enjoy the scenery, watch their methods of investigation, and hear their thought processes on the subject? Go pound sand.
Dang. If the '96 expedition had borrowed a few human bones (temporarily) to study, our modern technology could have told us how old they were. And what about "borrowing" one of the bone fragments found during this documentary?
Yeah, should’ve left it to the Egyptians to carry away into their bazaars and sell to tourists instead of getting placed in a museum. Or maybe they’d just strip it, melt it down and sell it like before.
He went to conquer and destroy another land but got conquered and destroyed by the land itself and by the power of nature. This is called Karma my friend.
And what about of kalif of caliphate when they came to conquer and destroy persia. That time karma didn't work. The invaders conqured and destroyed persia.
If that archaelogist did not bring that pessimistic querulus witch with him, he would certainly have found the entire 50.000 army. Everytime they find something interesting, she was ready to show how much she knew and could not keep her mouth shut. Instead of thinking more clear, the main team ended up tired and sleepy, and just had to retreat back to the lodge and go to sleep. An excellent documentary on two things, archaelogy and the art of blablabla.
Yep, like too many women, she probably stuffed years of work and hundreds of thousands of dollars invested but she proved she was right every time and that seems to be all that matters.🙄
V. Britton - You’re absolutely right: you’ve just persuaded me to send that Nigerian prince, who has contacted me about leaving me his entire fortune, the full details of my banking information.
@@paulmoffat9306 But LiDar isnt radar, it exposes vegetation markers back until Neolithic times. We can see where buildings once stood, where ground was disturbed, it penetrates deeper and exposes more than radar does Coupled with that, the fact that on most ancient maps, the Nile river snakes west across much of the north of Africa, where now there is nothing but desert but once in a while they will find traces that there was once huge settlements in some areas. Example: LiDar is completely messing with our understanding and history of the Amazon rainforest. Radar showed potential sites, LiDar confirmed a particular site that researchers once thought belonged to a small civilization was actually a city with a population of up to 1,000,000
@@johnnycashew9101 as someone who uses lidar routinely in my vocation I know that you're talkin about it like an armchair philosopher.. lidar doesn't find bones and definitely not at the scale you would have to use to scan the entire Sahara,, it looks for bigger features.. I spent years of my life flying geophysical surveys and what they would actually need is a magnetometer and a spectrometer maybe some lidar as well but really you're not looking for a settlement you're looking for a few bodies scattered around... there you go armchair philosopher maybe do some more research before you rant next time 🙄🙄 Money says you just learned about lidar within the last year and think it's really the end all of everything literally your comment to anyone with a remote education is like saying look the sky is blue and I have five fingers, everybody knows the Nile moves and everybody knows lidar has already been done over much of the Sahara that's how they're able to pinpoint back in time when it turns green and when it turns back to Desert 😂😂😂😂
@@moocyfarus8549 no need to be condescending, pretty lousy flex, honestly. Money says UA-cam comment sections are your only opportunity to feel special and be noticed because your colleagues just aren't that into you.
I had my suspicions the ancient Persians were cool af. Herodotus, the Greek historian, reported that the ancient Persians tended to deliberate on important matters while they were drunk. They then reconsidered their decisions the following day when they were sober. If it happened that their first deliberation took place when they were sober, they would always reconsider the matter under the influence of wine. If a decision was approved both drunk and sober, the decision held; if not, the Persians set it aside.
@@sof553 I wonder if this dual decision-making process was influenced by the dualistic Persian religion, Zoroastrianism, with its two powerful gods in perpetual conflict: Ahura Mazda, god of good, daylight, law and order, reason and sobriety, versus Angri Manyu, god of evil, night, chaos, emotions, and drunkenness.
@@atheodorasurname6936 That is a very interesting theory which I never would have thought of but makes a lot of sense. Herodotus went on to say that the benefit of having critical discussions in a drunk and then a sober state had the benefit of people freely speaking their mind and being dis inhibited if they had some secret motives they wanted to keep from the group. It is a psychologically very clever method of arriving at consensus and knowing peoples true feeling on the subject.
@@sof553 Actually i can't understand how anyone, sober or not, could have made a decision to go marching off into a vast desert with a map they did not know for sure was accurate! If the king decided on it, maybe he was deranged. I would think the military leaders and soldiers knew better.
King Cambyses was the eldest son and successor of Cyrus II the Great, the conqueror of Babylon. He is mentioned in both the Nabonidus Chronicle and the Cyrus Cylinder as “son of Cyrus” in Babylon shortly after the conquest of the city in October 539 B.C. He was formerly thought to be the “Ahasuerus” of Ezra 4:6, but the latter is now identified as Xerxes (Ezra 4:6-23) constitute a parenthetical history of opposition to the Jews down to Ezra’s time). Cambyses does not appear in the OId Testament except by implication (Daniel 11:2), where he must be the first of three kings that followed Cyrus. After turning the administration of Babylonia over to Gubaru his governor, Cyrus departed for Ecbatana, leaving his son Cambyses as his personal representative to carry on the ritual prescribed for the king at the New Year festival of Nisan 1 in March 538 b.c. Eight years later, Cyrus died in a campaign at the NE frontier, and Cambyses became sole ruler of the great Persian Empire. Cambyses secured his position on the throne by having his brother Smerdis (or Bardiya) murdered, and by 525 b.c. completed preparations for the long awaited invasion of Egypt. The Egyptian armies under Psammetichus III were totally defeated at the Battle of Pelusium in the eastern delta, and Cambyses took the throne as the first king of the twenty-seventh dynasty, organizing the land as a satrapy of the Persian empire. However, his efforts to conquer Carthage, Ethiopia, and the Oasis of Ammon in the Egyptian desert failed. To gain favor with his new subjects, Cambyses took the Egyptian royal name and titulary, wore the royal costume, and antedated his rule in Egypt to the beginning of his rule in Persia. On his way back to Babylon in 522 B.C., he received news that one Gaumata (who claimed to be his murdered brother Smerdis) had usurped the throne and had been widely accepted in eastern provinces. He died near Mount Carmel in Palestine probably by suicide, leaving no heirs. Darius Hystaspes, a Persian officer of a collateral royal line, succeeded in killing the Pseudo-Smerdis within a few months, and consolidated the empire. The reign of Cambyses fell within the period of Gentile opposition to the building of the second temple (Bible: Ezra 4:5-6; Haggai 1:4). You can read about the lives Cyrus; Darius the Mede; and Darius. Lastly, there is some debate about the identity of the “Ahasuerus” or “Xerxes” mentioned in Ezra 4:6 as ruling before Darius I. It is likely that this king is also known in history as Cambyses II, a son of Cyrus the Great. The “Artaxerxes” in verse 7 is called, in other historical records, “Smerdis” or “Bardiya,” another son of Cyrus (or possibly an impostor taking his place). That king ruled only seven or eight months. A related theory suggests that Ezra spoke of Cambyses using his Chaldee name (Ahasuems) in verse 6, and by his Persian name or title (Artaxerxes) in verse 7. In that case, Ahasuerus and Artaxerxes refer to the same person the king who immediately preceded Darius.
As a former infantry soldier. I can believe it must have been a real nightmare. Having been on a few missions where we ran short of water. It's really miserable when you are so thirsty and dry that you gag when you try and swallow. Had to have been a real slow motion hell.
People in the old days especially the armies are amazing. They walked for hundred of miles under so much desert heat and dust possibly be without water for many days.
@@azraelbatosi True but this is their first time crossing a desert with shifting sands. They might have bitten off more than they can chew. This video suggests they took a different route with less oases: ua-cam.com/video/8ENizFYf96Y/v-deo.html . Water for 50,000 soldiers is a lot to carry.
@@elye3701 yeah I saw the video with the Italian team where they detailed how the army most likely avoided the Egyptian held oases by marching around them in an even more ridiculous route, choosing to avoid fighting over knowing exactly where the water would be. My point is that any army that matches without water, dies, and that’s most direly, especially true in desert environments. Therefore cultures in those environs learn the limitations imposed by the need for that one precious resource and it informs every decision they make. Newcomers either learn from the locals or they lose soldiers until they adapt, or don’t.
Bigfoot: Have we got a story for you to investigate. Unemployed Archealogists: I'm all in. Bigfoot: Umm, you have to tell tall tales about stuff and not show any actual facts. Unemployed Archealogists: I'm all in.
You're right, 100%. But I would define it more so as disrespectful and a know-it-all. Yes there is technology that can test the age of bones, but does she have it available at that moment..No. she should have kept her mouth shut, if she didn't agree with the old man/guide. Like the young man said he knows that land...she and the others are just tourists plain and simple. And will always be just that! The amount of disrespect!! Unbelievable..but believable!!
She’s behaving like an expert in a field she studies. Living somewhere doesn’t make you an expert on anything. Many Egyptologists are not Egyptians and most Egyptians aren’t Egyptologists or experts. The people of ancient Egypt aren’t the ancestors or property of modern citizens of the modern nation of Egypt. This disagreement about dates has nothing to do with anyone’s nationality. She’s the boss of her project.
Herodotus was a story teller . And he never let the truth get in the way of a good story. Much the same way archeologists don’t let science muddle their thinking.
I found the Gale lady very abrasive. She argued with a man who loves in the dessert longer than she had been alive about the age of a camel but expects to be taken as fact when she is identifying artifacts. Being a sceptic is important but she is disrespectful.
"Army". It's always interesting when archaeologists go looking for armies. One man's army is another man's caravan, or troop, or... Add propaganda to that and a small armed force 1000 men can easily turn into an army of 20000 mean.
Very strange that they haven't thrown money into this. Incredible find. Unfortunately most of not all their money goes to unearthing tombs of their own ancestors. It would be amazing to excavate that site.
If a Bedouin is so inclinded to be helpful than yea but tell that to the Roman legion who were led to slaughter or the untold multitude murdered, looted and their bone left to bleach in the sun.
@@russianbot8423 I didnt say theyre inclined to be helpful, I said they know the desert the best, dont argue with them about it. Doesnt mean you should use them as guides to invade their country, thats just stupid.
It's a possibility, there are people who make good money going out into the desert after a sandstorm and finding things that have been exposed by the wind.
Obviously, to find bones is a lost cause, but you can still find things like arrowheads, fragments of chariots, armors and other remnants of objects surviving better the assault of time... With constantly shifting dunes, as somebody pointed out, it's near impossible though. Even at the scale of 50K missing men, it's like searching for a moving needle on a big barn full of haystack.
When searching for Indian artifacts in America (which my friend found many of) (in the hundreds) he always used a steel or aluminum rod (probe) to "feel" below the surface, I did not notice any team members probing the sand for artifacts, seems to me this would be an elementary way to begin. Also, I have seen videos of aireal ground penetrating radar used to find ancient desert cities, Wit the money involved in such an undertaking as this, why would you not be prepared with every modern technological tool to unearth what you are seeking? Long and dangerous undertaking to come home empty handed.
As far as I know, India is in a completely different part of the world and not in North America. The people living in N. America were not Indians, didn't call themselves Indians and were given that name by mistake.
@@morecowbell235 ... but wait are they Native Americans if they originally... MiGrAtEd HeRe? Wait.... what if they came across the land bridge from..... SE Asia? Oh wait never mind.. Found the troll.
@@Mythicalniceguy Columbus sailed west hoping to find China and India aka the Indies, reasoning that he could do so because the world was round. Columbus had no clue that there were two continents in the Western Hemisphere that would block his path. When he hit land, he erroneously called the people he met, Indians. It didn't take too long before they realized that they had in fact not made it to India, but instead, an unknown continent.
There is no massive fund for speculative archaeology. They did well to fund two trucks, two guides, and their equipment. I too would have liked a nice, comprehensive investigation but life is not like that, especially with history. Having said that, I am sure they would have had more gear than we saw.
True. Very true indeed... although I'll point out the Egyptian govt would most certainly NOT allow any of that. (Even the stick probing would get you or I in trouble in Egypt). Absolutely HORRIBLE country to deal with concerning things of this nature. Particularly if you're a "westerner" , and if you're American don't even bother to ask, lol, you're not getting a permit for ANY antiquities hunting whatsoever!!!
"...on foot, no shade in blistering temperatures..." Assuming they would travel by day. I can see these hardened walkers, who no doubt knew how to get around at night, navigating across these light-colored sands by the stars, easily making 20 miles over the course of an eight-hour walk. I noticed that the metal objects were bronze. I know that bronze was used well past the end of the bronze age, but I would think that, given the dry environment, more iron would be present. Interesting finds, whatever they attest to. Posting this before listening to rest of presentation.
@@cmcull987 I understand most pre-industrial armies had more four-legged members than two legged. Often many of the draft animals were oxen, and that much of the food supply cattle.
fossilized whale bones found in Sahara Researchers working in the Sahara desert have uncovered dozens of fossilised remains thought to be the prehistoric ancestors of whales. The whale bones were found in the Wati El Hitan in the Egyptian desert, once covered by a huge prehistoric ocean, and one of the finds is a 37 million-year-old skeleton of a legged form of whale that measures more than 65 feet (20 metres) long.
The next video on my recommendations is from Discovery Channel 2009 about 2 Italians that found hundreds of bones and Persian arrow heads in what looks like the same spot.
Why do modern archaeologists always doubt the ability of ancient historians and leaders to count? "Always just take off a zero." ~"They clearly didn't know the difference between a thousand and ten thousand men. They invented our number system, but they actually couldn't really accurately count their armies." It's like modern archaeologists have some kind of egoism about our current era as being the most advanced possible, when the very discoveries they've made disprove that assumption, yet they continue to insist that those who managed ancient empires could not possibly have mustered the numbers for such an army, nor had the intellectual capacity to count them. This attitude is a detriment to our own understanding and advancement, to ignore the technologically advanced methods used in ancient times to construct stone monuments that we could not begin to conceive of how to do with our current technology at hand today. We are missing something. It could be that assuming the ancients couldn't count would be a place to start reevaluating our interpretation of ancient writings.
15:50 this guy comes to an oasis in the middle of the desert, that he describes as a few trees surrounding a hole with some water in it. And what's he do? Throws a rock in the only source of water for miles. SMH I don't why this bothers me, but it does. And sometimes some awareness and tact is necessary. When your local guide wants to impress you with his ability to look at some camel bones and claim they are 200 years old, roll your eyes, and let him have his little moment, rather than call B.S. and humiliate him in front of everyone. Especially when he's from a society that having a woman call B.S. on his questionable claim, is especially humiliating. There was nothing to be gained from calling him out on his B.S. claims, but you sure won't be getting his best efforts now that you've insulted him. Tact....look it up. Everyone knew he had no clue how old those bones were just by looking at them. Just because someone is full of it, doesn't always mean you need to confront them with it. There is a time and place for everything. Tact is important when working with others.
It’s really rude of the woman-imperialistic froideur, really-to tell the Bedouin guide and the interpreter that the guide doesn’t know what he’s talking about when he dated the camel skeleton. She may know about old skeletons, but she does _NOT_ know the desert from Adam, and the guided _DOES._ If she had been taught manners, she would have nodded her head respectfully and kept her opinions to herself, rather than embarrass the guide with her condescending ignorance.
Due to the great amount of detail given by Herodotus, it seems fairly obvious not everyone died. How else could the time of day and the direction of the storm be known? Unless some traveler stumbled across the fresh remains of the army, but then why not take the armor and weapons?
Specifically because retrieving anything from the Sand Sea is near impossible. The heavier you make yourself by gathering those riches, the easier it is for you to sink or become so slowed that you yourself die out there. Likely some did survive, but they wouldnt have put themselves out there as verifiable sources as that would make them Deserters, which were often executed in Antiquity. Likely there were also local Bedouins and Egyptian scouts that kept VERY close watch on Cambyses as he traveled. They may have even encouraged him by lighting fires out farther in the Desert to give the Persians the false hope that they either neared Oasis or that they would soon fight the Egyptians and be able to take THEIR water. Fighting Desert peoples on their own terms, is INCREDIBLY stupid. Like, until the USSR attacked Finland, this may be the greatest example of how not knowing your enemy is always a recipe for disaster.
@@HClaurance those living there would probably have developed ways to move large amounts of items, say on a sledge, so much real life knowledge has been lost over the centuries. However metals and weapons would be almost too good to let waste, someone might even have decided that multiple trips would be profitable. But if the survivors were the source of the tales then they probably would not have the knowledge needed to get back to the site of the disaster.
@@rkh7904 To be fair, we murdered 3.2 Million Vietnamese for 65k US soldiers lost.......I mean, we lost that spiritually and through the media.....be we left Vietnam a fucking husk.
@@happygardener28 Listen, the problem is like trying to beat light speed. As you gain speed you also gain weight and you can't gain enough momentum and speed to actually carry you through. Nobody has done it because nobody has gotten through, it's all legends because even the very best with cars involved still had to be airflighted out, as no amount of walking or cars will get you out once youve gotten deep enough. That's what I tried to explain. Even the locals haven't figured out a way around it and only venture a very short ways in before retreating. The stories are based on the tiny fragments and bits they brought back, but if anybody was that good they'd have brought the entire treasure back assuming his army coffers and armours are still intact.
Herodotus himself said he was relaying stories that could not be verified. He absolutely participated in hearsay, he didn’t even hide that lol... it’s still a great read with tons of both history and popular contemporary myth that we can learn from, but it’s silly to try to argue he was not engaging in hearsay at times.
All history is hearsay. That doesn't make it false. Having said that, he was quite unique in attempting to differentiate between likely historical events and myth.
Isn't Herodotus' second moniker "father of lies" supporting the exact thing you have alluded to. He did not travel to all these faraway places and most of his stories, were just that, hearsay.
If 50,000 soldiers vanished they wouldn't be near a Oasis or a up cropping it would be in the open desert, I would start looking for them from the destination the Army was heading for and back track from there.
Dude... What? The history IN SCHOOL is about nothing! Its as fake as a Harry Potter book... Have you realised that with ALL of the technology we have, were still basing our history off sht from the 1800s, we havent updated anything worthwhile from space since 1968, we have more homeless people than EVER, are controlled by the government more than any other time in American history!!! All of our best scientists are either making Pharmaceuticals, Weapons or iPhones (so you can keep your self WILLFULLY uninformed, while more and more of our wealth funnels UP HILL!!!) AT LEAST THESE PEOPLE ARE DOING BOOTS ON THE GROUND RESEARCH BECAUSE THEY KNOW THE STATUS QUO IS COMPLETE BS!!!
I’m sure they will investigate in twenty or thirty years so they can’t find anything and say the geologist doesn’t know what he’s talking about. Archeologists really hate regular folk getting famous for discovering anything.
Killed by a desert storm, damn what a terrible way to go. Unfortunally, the deserts there have defeated every army that ever tried to tame them since the beginning of time.
Condensed version! 30 minutes of watching Land Rovers and then they are running out of time to do any real archeology. Then about 10 minutes of lacking anything to actually help. Like metal detectors or even a shovel! I did love the woman using the paint brush on the pottery neck. Three brush strokes and pick it up as if the brush did anything...hilarious!
Its a bad habit fore these programs that the content can be told in 10 minutes - irritating ! So thanks, no I can save my time and do something else. Did they find them ?
What's never mentioned about the Persians is after consulting with the mentor of Nostradumis the army set out from Carg-Ahh in search of a souvenir shop where they purchased plastic army men from World War 2. Now we're getting somewhere.
As a history major with a great amount of military logistical knowledge, the idea of such a huge army marching through the desert to capture, what is actually a strategically unimportant town, is ludicrous! I have never believed this story outright. Persia did not become such a huge empire having idiots for commanders! Lacking other evidence to the contrary, I dismiss this as a typical Greek bullshit story to emphasize the inadequacies of said empire.
I don't know about the idea they got lost and off track, because the Egyptians no doubt traveled there and I would assume the Persians employed experienced Egyptian guides who were not suicidal enough to deliberately get lost with the Persians. I would think that if the tales of the lost army are true, they were lost in close proximity to either the ancient route to Siwa........which probably lies close to the current route, just like many roads here in the States and around the world follow the same routes laid down by ancient tribes.
@@Krututu13 useful for discovering truth versus myth.. and also understanding the links in the events... *one who forgets history is likely to repeat it* is what a famous saying says
Wow! those people must have been serious about their religion, imagine 50,000 men marching 3,000 miles through a desert to fight with someone who said something bad about their god, who was probably just a wooden or stone statue. Think about all those wives, children, and mothers they left behind.
Herodotus said many things,,, some correct, but some dead wrong. He claimed the pyramids were built after Ramses when they were in fact quite ancient by his time.
So glad I ALWAYS go straight to the very end of these docs first.
46:11 Not the first time I have seen the authorities in control of Egyptian antiquities stop interesting investigations cold. The Pyramids, the Sphinx, and now this. Great going guys.
Considering they have been pillaged over 1,000 years, I can understand their concerns.
@@kathleenmuchka2559 Have you ever considered the fact that alot of them are the descendants of the pillagers, which is why they do the toxic things that they do
Yup. They are be all, end all. The amount of ego you gotta have to not acceot any other theory but that of the mainstream teachings. Imagine the possibilities!! Or are thwy hiding something?
Yeah I know. It seems every time one of these documentaries has nowhere left to go, nothing more to claim, and are finally about to show the proof, the egyptian authorities shut them down. It's so inconvenient. I just wish that one time they would shut them down after they find their proof.
@Vic Wilson the persian army is dies by thearsty .they diee in the desert
"The pot was either full of something or emptied of something." So insightful.
it was full of sand
full of bs maybe.
Sucks when they produce a tv program and sell it as archaeology. They could just do television about archaeology.
WHAT?? it wasnt half full? who stole it?
It was a decoy pot . To tantalize and deflect them .
Imagine all the ancient (and more recent) secrets that this desert has yet to yield.
@@stooge389 I recall reading of an ancient belief that the center of the earth contained its own sun.
@@atheodorasurname6936 well the earths core is believed to be as hot as the middle of the sun - so they were really on to something.
@@atheodorasurname6936 Scientists do speculate the Earth's core is just as hot, if not hotter than the Sun, so the ancients seem to have an idea of that
Yep an oil worker said there are like new Chevy 4by 4's buried out there.
Wow! It's amazing how the desert can preserve the cigarrete for thousands of years, it looked like it could still be smoked.
I hope you are kidding.😅
@@-Little-lily- naw he meant it
Arrowhead for scale
Arrowheads for scale
Shucks, you beat me to it. I was gonna say, who knew finding a cigarette would spark such excitement. I'll see myself out.
I love how theres always some old guy who's saying "early historians exaggerated, its not possible the army was that large". Simply because they personally couldnt raise and march an army of 50k.
So what have we learned?
Nothing.
They found some dead people in the desert. And that that lady on here was very annoying.
Summary: all is conjecture with no strong evidence.
No need to watch the whole video. I was victim by the claikbait thinking what they found is correct and strong evidence.
All they found are some pottery with mixed dates and etcs.
Nothing but sand!
Carry more water 😁
I'm guessing it was a mass suicide or the king falling by a scheme.
This was about as conclusive as an episode of X-Files.
No real conclusion, but it's interesting to watch the process explorers go through and the small things they discover along the way. Thank you for sharing.
For once make these shows about finding actual things instead of the typical run around like monster hunters and ufo shows.
Thank you
Well that's what people get for believing in evolution and such foolishness instead of God.
Oak Island
If they actually found them, they wouldn't be lost🤪
History channel isn’t any good anymore. Need channels that deal with history, not 🐂💩
The most informative thing I found out on this documentary is that Count Almasy from the movie “The English Patient” was actually a real person. Damn, I loved that movie and I’ve seen it like 20 times and never knew.
Never watched the movie but maybe now I will.
@@MIZZdarkerPerspective Watch the movie!
You must be a true romantic 😀
@@paulabonin3637 😝
😅me too, not seen it yet… I will now. 😊
That Persian expedition into the vast desert sounds really insane.
Yeah
You know they did not have Google maps no GPS not even a sextant
In his book that we call Historiae, Herodotos told the weirdest stories about the pyramids and temples around it. E.g. he claimed there was a small lake beneath the Sphinx and that in the lake there was an island on which stood a stone sarcophagus. This has been laughed away for 2500 years. But a couple of years ago, they found a shaft going down at least 60 metres (200 feet). It ended in a waterfilled cave in the middle of which was a rectangular island on which a large rectangular stone box still stood erect. Historiae, book 2, section 148, Herodotus tells about a palace with hundreds of rooms along a passageway. Recently it has been found. If Herodotos says the army existed, it had.
Quint is there a Vid On Which You Refer To? Thanx
you must mean Herodotus
@@elizabethcsicsery-ronay1633 Yes I was mistaken. Actually, it is Herodotos. English call Homeros "Homer" and that got me confused. Sorry. I corrected it and added a reference where you can find what I wrote. Did you know that our dating of Homer is solely based on a short line in Historiae, book 2, section 53 ?
@@Nomadcreations Yes, there is because I saw it years ago. The reporter entered from a small opening at the bottom of the righthand side of the sphinx. I can't find it anymore. There are two problems today: 1. tons of crazies and conspiracy fantasists have taken over the subject on UA-cam thereby polluting the site so that good vids are hard to find; and 2. the attitude of Mr. Hawass. It seems he is promoting himself on the one hand and working at getting tourists to Egypt on the other. He rather keeps things a mystery. One reference is Historiae, book 2, section 148. I did not annotate the reference about the pond, though, and should read the long chapter again.
@@charlesvanderhoog7056 Histories 2.148 most certainly does not say that there is a lake under the Sphinx.
In this section of his long book on Egypt, Herodotus is talking about other Egyptian wonders he was gobsmacked by (other than the pyramids at Giza, that is). One of these is 'a labyrinth just beyond the lake of Moeris' in the Siwa oasis. He says, 'the pyramids, of course, beggar description [...] but the labyrinth outstrips them all'. Regarding the underground rooms to which I believe you are referring, Herodotus is careful to mention that he did not see them first-hand, stating that he 'can only pass on what [he] was told about them', and that 'the Egyptians who are in charge of the labyrinth absolutely refused to show the underground rooms, on the grounds that there lie the tombs of the kings who originally built the labyrinth'.
I don't know where you got your ideas about a hidden lake under the Sphinx being relayed in this passage of Herodotus, but you were misled. He does tell us that there were underground rooms in a labyrinth at Siwa, near a lake, but not that there was an underground lake in Giza.
Also, the dating of Homer's Iliad and Odyssey is, likewise, most certainly not based solely on Herodotus. Not by a longshot!
If this is ever found it would be the biggest find by far in the history of archeology. Imagine thousands of weapons, shields, pack trains with gold and silver, and with the dry desert it would be preserved. It is so dry there some of the 50,000 would be mummified.
Sand can also act like a blast furnace. It can erode bone and metal.
Unfortunately for the plausibility of this romantic thought, when people die of thirst, they don't stick together and die all at the same time, instead they argue and then wander deliriously in random directions, so if the army is out there, it would be very surprising to locate more than a handful of remains.
Furthermore when it's hot and you're dying, you drop heavy weapons and shields in the sand and keep walking. The best evidence that any significant group went out there was the stack of jars against a hill, again, heavy and useless, dropped off and forgotten.
This so called biggest find is scattered over hundreds of miles under the great sand sea.
@@1SweetPete damn! i hoped we could find it from an airplane on the way to chiro strip loints.
Does the answer lay at the bottom of the shaft at Oak island, ancient alien theorists say YES
Watch the first 15 min then skip to the end. All they found was a pot and some human bone
Thank you for the warning
thanks young Wallace
Thankyou brother
Thats not the real Wallace! William Wallace is 7 ft tall!
Thank you good sir
Evidently, this video is about watching a jeep being driven across many miles of sand.
Love my Jeep!!!!!!!!!
Jeep salesmen
I can tell you JLR would never approve this, the Land Rovers were presented as Pathetic, well, actually, it was their drivers in perfect camera view & sync IMHO, I doubt they even got a "like", never mind funding from JLR. Any Land Rover could do this Terrain with no issues, It's the drama queen and the production team who need to be taken to task for wanton Click baiting.
"History" doesn't need another century of opinion, it needs to be reported in an unbiased factual context. I grew up on this shit long before Social Media and really, you should be forced to get it right, if you call it call it "History" then It should be logical, demonstrable and inscrutable. Not like you English ponce about your clouds, more like Reality and Facts don't really matter, they are just guidelines for the peasants. Lessons can be learnt.
Anyway good luck with the Stone age, I like your thinking England, but, I doubt you will last a whole century without electricity, trade or Allies who actually trust you anymore.
hahaha, the narrator was warning us in the beginning that they werent going to find anything. Making sure we knew that people already went there first to excavate the site before they got there. Meaning = We aint gon find shit and your going to enjoy all our close up shots of our tires in the sand. Cheers
I love it !! Who needs to enter the Paris Dakar Race ??? Lolol
"thats a 200 year old camel."
"how do you know?"
"trust me bro."
Love these type of documentarys but this kind of thing at 18:40 really bugs me. Archaeologists and hostorians complain about era's where the civilisations had no written history, but when highly sophisticated ancient society's do write their history down, its constantly doubted. Very annoying tbh.
Maybe if Gail hadn't talked down to your guide you might have found something. I was embarrassed how she talked down to him.
Oh no, how do you know? You could hear it dripping, Let me explain for 5 minutes because I love to talk... what a Karen
she was/is a powerful woman! so YOU think!
Debby downer all the way .
That's because she is actually thinking logically and scientifically. You sound like one of those who goes around believing every conspiracy theory and fake news just because you can't think for yourself.
*_Imagine finding a chariot of the Achaemenid Era. that would be supreme_*
Everybody knows that desert is unforgiving, but to say that the army of Cambyses did know where Siwa was located is ridiculous. There were merchants from Siwa who traded with them. So, Cambyses army definitely knows it was.
nice to know that the ancients smoked the same sort of cigarettes that we do. well preserved.
LOL LOL I was thinking how advanced they were, or proof of UFO contact (time travel) with the ancients; filtered and all!
I say!
Or maybe the cig was placed there by a producer as a size reference for the arrow head they were featuring perhaps?
LOL that's pretty funny
No Tobacco in Africa until 1560.
If they knew bronze artifacts had been previously found, why didn't they bring along metal detectors?
Excellent question
I too so exactly wondered why!
satelite imaging as well,,
You'd think they'd bring metal detectors to find armor or weapons, thus leading to bones. lol
You would think.
25:32 how could King Cambyses army reached that far on foot!? how the hell Herodotus know all these detail was he with them and survived! holy crap. No desert oasis will fear if you say there is an army of 50,000 a.h coming towards you. well they wont survive!
Spoiler alert: They find nothing!
Why would they when that woman is about as negative as can be about any bones found, the Egyptian expert Ali Barrakat, is barred from coming along because the lack of government approval and the Ministry of Culture's selected sceptic says " yeah we have this stuff somewhere in our inventory but it may be from the bronze age. Arab steeplechase and backpedaling. Thanks for wasting my curiosity.
...actually they found pottery, dead animals and multiple dead people in the middle of nowhere...the previous Ali Barrakat expedition found bronze weapons entirely consistent to ancient Persian in the same place...and that was all on the surface of the ground, all without any excavation....all the backpedaling was the Egyptian antiquities, probably due to their previously failed expedition and understanding the expen$e and difficulty mounting a new one...
lol I agree. She is the Karen of the archeologists.
The woman’s attitude is terrible. And how they think the guy isnt telling the truth is shameful. It might have showed them the skulls was he allowed to go. Dead on arrival
Shes a contrarian, i trust the guy who says the camel is hundreds of years old.
Thanks !.. now I go and wash dishes instead
I normally don't mind ads but 14 in a video under an hour? Yikes.
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@@richardavery2894 no it’s not I’m not giving UA-cam a dime , I had premium before all the censorship began I can’t support that , even if something offends me whoever wrote it has that right in my opinion
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@Clayton Shearer ywa 8 here lol
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Don't waste your time. Nothing conclusive found. Mystery unsolved.
Who else thinks these "archaeologists" are crap. Lazy, unthinking, incurious.
why? you would rather that they make things up like the others are doing?
So we aren't allowed to watch to enjoy the scenery, watch their methods of investigation, and hear their thought processes on the subject? Go pound sand.
These shows aren't meant to solve the mysteries....the point is to share the stories 🙄
Dang. If the '96 expedition had borrowed a few human bones (temporarily) to study, our modern technology could have told us how old they were. And what about "borrowing" one of the bone fragments found during this documentary?
They're talking about only the most powerful vehicles can make the trek. Apparently no one told them to go buy some paddle tires.
I know, look it's interesting, and reasonably well made but seems a little over dramatized
The POWER OF MOTHER NATURE
Whether it be by wind and sand Rain and mud or Frozen in time on some mountain top
She show's us who is boss.
History shows again and again how nature points out the folly of men!
BY THE POWER OF GRAYSKULL!
"You cant fight Nature." Someday this phrase will carry so much more meaning. Once the planet has to fight off the cancer that is the human race.
Egypt seems to be consistently tight lipped when it comes to discussing what lies under their sands.
Maffy Moose youtube. Watch the law of one playlist. It gets into the secrets.
@@ii121 egypt: “look at what we found in the sand!”
britain: “look at what we let you find for us in the sand!”
@@rickystickwell1377
Can you post the link?
Well it was free for all looting for a hundred years. That doesn’t breed trust in outsiders.
Yeah, should’ve left it to the Egyptians to carry away into their bazaars and sell to tourists instead of getting placed in a museum. Or maybe they’d just strip it, melt it down and sell it like before.
He went to conquer and destroy another land but got conquered and destroyed by the land itself and by the power of nature. This is called Karma my friend.
YAH.
And what about of kalif of caliphate when they came to conquer and destroy persia. That time karma didn't work. The invaders conqured and destroyed persia.
Baloch is kosskhole always
sure, sure, join Cambyses army they said, 3 hots and a cot they said, get paid to see the world and meet new people
"And learn how to kill them", is the balance of a portion of your comment.
As then, so now, unfortuneately.
and rape and plunder.
@@heenanyou what's changed, apart from the weapons ?
@@davidarundel6187 Human nature will never change.
@@heenanyou it must, or this civiliseation, like so many others, will be lost to any future generations, that may come along.
If that archaelogist did not bring that pessimistic querulus witch with him, he would certainly have found the entire 50.000 army. Everytime they find something interesting, she was ready to show how much she knew and could not keep her mouth shut. Instead of thinking more clear, the main team ended up tired and sleepy, and just had to retreat back to the lodge and go to sleep. An excellent documentary on two things, archaelogy and the art of blablabla.
I married a German like that, after reading your message I think that maybe It is in their DNA
Couldn't agree more .....I felt exactly the same what you explained..it cannot be mare coincidence....this looks like true fact.
Yep, like too many women, she probably stuffed years of work and hundreds of thousands of dollars invested but she proved she was right every time and that seems to be all that matters.🙄
Skeptics are gross.
Just have an open mind !!
V. Britton - You’re absolutely right: you’ve just persuaded me to send that Nigerian prince, who has contacted me about leaving me his entire fortune, the full details of my banking information.
I wish theyd do LIDAR scans over the Sahara
Several Shuttle missions have done that, with radar - and discovered ancient settlements and rivers that are not visible at ground level today.
@@paulmoffat9306 But LiDar isnt radar, it exposes vegetation markers back until Neolithic times. We can see where buildings once stood, where ground was disturbed, it penetrates deeper and exposes more than radar does
Coupled with that, the fact that on most ancient maps, the Nile river snakes west across much of the north of Africa, where now there is nothing but desert but once in a while they will find traces that there was once huge settlements in some areas.
Example: LiDar is completely messing with our understanding and history of the Amazon rainforest. Radar showed potential sites, LiDar confirmed a particular site that researchers once thought belonged to a small civilization was actually a city with a population of up to 1,000,000
@@johnnycashew9101 as someone who uses lidar routinely in my vocation I know that you're talkin about it like an armchair philosopher.. lidar doesn't find bones and definitely not at the scale you would have to use to scan the entire Sahara,, it looks for bigger features.. I spent years of my life flying geophysical surveys and what they would actually need is a magnetometer and a spectrometer maybe some lidar as well but really you're not looking for a settlement you're looking for a few bodies scattered around... there you go armchair philosopher maybe do some more research before you rant next time 🙄🙄
Money says you just learned about lidar within the last year and think it's really the end all of everything literally your comment to anyone with a remote education is like saying look the sky is blue and I have five fingers, everybody knows the Nile moves and everybody knows lidar has already been done over much of the Sahara that's how they're able to pinpoint back in time when it turns green and when it turns back to Desert 😂😂😂😂
@@moocyfarus8549 no need to be condescending, pretty lousy flex, honestly.
Money says UA-cam comment sections are your only opportunity to feel special and be noticed because your colleagues just aren't that into you.
@@naelyneurkopfen9741 🤣😂😂👍
Incredible discovery. Proof that the ancient Persians preferred to smoke Marlboro's.
I had my suspicions the ancient Persians were cool af. Herodotus, the Greek historian, reported that the ancient Persians tended to deliberate on important matters while they were drunk. They then reconsidered their decisions the following day when they were sober. If it happened that their first deliberation took place when they were sober, they would always reconsider the matter under the influence of wine. If a decision was approved both drunk and sober, the decision held; if not, the Persians set it aside.
@@sof553 I wonder if this dual decision-making process was influenced by the dualistic Persian religion, Zoroastrianism, with its two powerful gods in perpetual conflict: Ahura Mazda, god of good, daylight, law and order, reason and sobriety, versus Angri Manyu, god of evil, night, chaos, emotions, and drunkenness.
@@atheodorasurname6936 That is a very interesting theory which I never would have thought of but makes a lot of sense. Herodotus went on to say that the benefit of having critical discussions in a drunk and then a sober state had the benefit of people freely speaking their mind and being dis inhibited if they had some secret motives they wanted to keep from the group. It is a psychologically very clever method of arriving at consensus and knowing peoples true feeling on the subject.
@@sof553 Actually i can't understand how anyone, sober or not, could have made a decision to go marching off into a vast desert with a map they did not know for sure was accurate! If the king decided on it, maybe he was deranged. I would think the military leaders and soldiers knew better.
@@atheodorasurname6936 Yeah it was a pretty brutal way to die.
The chick on the team is like "I'm skeptical about it." but not skeptical enough to not join a team and fly to the region to find more.
being skeptical doesn't mean being denier
@@urskaska in her case it does
King Cambyses was the eldest son and successor of Cyrus II the Great, the conqueror of Babylon. He is mentioned in both the Nabonidus Chronicle and the Cyrus Cylinder as “son of Cyrus” in Babylon shortly after the conquest of the city in October 539 B.C.
He was formerly thought to be the “Ahasuerus” of Ezra 4:6, but the latter is now identified as Xerxes (Ezra 4:6-23) constitute a parenthetical history of opposition to the Jews down to Ezra’s time). Cambyses does not appear in the OId Testament except by implication (Daniel 11:2), where he must be the first of three kings that followed Cyrus.
After turning the administration of Babylonia over to Gubaru his governor, Cyrus departed for Ecbatana, leaving his son Cambyses as his personal representative to carry on the ritual prescribed for the king at the New Year festival of Nisan 1 in March 538 b.c. Eight years later, Cyrus died in a campaign at the NE frontier, and Cambyses became sole ruler of the great Persian Empire.
Cambyses secured his position on the throne by having his brother Smerdis (or Bardiya) murdered, and by 525 b.c. completed preparations for the long awaited invasion of Egypt. The Egyptian armies under Psammetichus III were totally defeated at the Battle of Pelusium in the eastern delta, and Cambyses took the throne as the first king of the twenty-seventh dynasty, organizing the land as a satrapy of the Persian empire. However, his efforts to conquer Carthage, Ethiopia, and the Oasis of Ammon in the Egyptian desert failed.
To gain favor with his new subjects, Cambyses took the Egyptian royal name and titulary, wore the royal costume, and antedated his rule in Egypt to the beginning of his rule in Persia. On his way back to Babylon in 522 B.C., he received news that one Gaumata (who claimed to be his murdered brother Smerdis) had usurped the throne and had been widely accepted in eastern provinces. He died near Mount Carmel in Palestine probably by suicide, leaving no heirs. Darius Hystaspes, a Persian officer of a collateral royal line, succeeded in killing the Pseudo-Smerdis within a few months, and consolidated the empire. The reign of Cambyses fell within the period of Gentile opposition to the building of the second temple (Bible: Ezra 4:5-6; Haggai 1:4). You can read about the lives Cyrus; Darius the Mede; and Darius.
Lastly, there is some debate about the identity of the “Ahasuerus” or “Xerxes” mentioned in Ezra 4:6 as ruling before Darius I. It is likely that this king is also known in history as Cambyses II, a son of Cyrus the Great. The “Artaxerxes” in verse 7 is called, in other historical records, “Smerdis” or “Bardiya,” another son of Cyrus (or possibly an impostor taking his place). That king ruled only seven or eight months. A related theory suggests that Ezra spoke of Cambyses using his Chaldee name (Ahasuems) in verse 6, and by his Persian name or title (Artaxerxes) in verse 7. In that case, Ahasuerus and Artaxerxes refer to the same person the king who immediately preceded Darius.
lol
Thanks🤝✔️
Interesting
As a former infantry soldier. I can believe it must have been a real nightmare. Having been on a few missions where we ran short of water. It's really miserable when you are so thirsty and dry that you gag when you try and swallow. Had to have been a real slow motion hell.
People in the old days especially the armies are amazing. They walked for hundred of miles under so much desert heat and dust possibly be without water for many days.
I would have marched at night.
No army marches without water
@@azraelbatosi True but this is their first time crossing a desert with shifting sands. They might have bitten off more than they can chew. This video suggests they took a different route with less oases: ua-cam.com/video/8ENizFYf96Y/v-deo.html . Water for 50,000 soldiers is a lot to carry.
@@elye3701 yeah I saw the video with the Italian team where they detailed how the army most likely avoided the Egyptian held oases by marching around them in an even more ridiculous route, choosing to avoid fighting over knowing exactly where the water would be.
My point is that any army that matches without water, dies, and that’s most direly, especially true in desert environments. Therefore cultures in those environs learn the limitations imposed by the need for that one precious resource and it informs every decision they make. Newcomers either learn from the locals or they lose soldiers until they adapt, or don’t.
I know nothing about this happening until I found out about this until accidentally last year. Amazing how one man can make such a mess
These men, crop up thruout history, unfortuneately, for the people.
Yeah, a real Joe Biden of ancient times! "C'mon man!" "My butts been wiped!" "Let's Go Brandon, I agree"
@@John_Lee_Catron_II let's not go that far. At least he didn't poop himself.
Archaeologists are so smart they forgot the metal detector. SMDH.
Lol -- true.
Their distaste for the device (as amateurish) may have cost them some good finds.
Damn
The name brand cigs they did remember to bring suggests these Archies are too posh and old school to trifle with such low brow tech.
Imagine the persians invented the first filtered cigarette whats next is to lead to nothing
ha ha
answer is EASY: THEY RAN INTO AN ARMY OF 100,000 oops
Chuckle chuckle
Probably
:)
They split into groups searching for water and perished under sinking sand in a violent storm.
I should have read the comments prior to watching any of this one. Is this just a way for professors to have a free trip abroad?
and study abroad lol
@@mattstarr8203 H&&&h:
I didn't find jack shit but hey, I still got paid and travelled!
Bigfoot: Have we got a story for you to investigate.
Unemployed Archealogists: I'm all in.
Bigfoot: Umm, you have to tell tall tales about stuff and not show any actual facts.
Unemployed Archealogists: I'm all in.
Archaeologists
Egypt could make a fortune selling that sand
It’s not super useful apparently
Yeah, it's river/ocean sand you want, not desert sand. Something to do with the roughness of the grains I think
@@ThePizzaGoblin Anakin would agree.
We could take it and sell it ourselves..🇺🇲
I thoroughly enjoy these adventures to try and either prove or disprove, or just find some very intriguing artfacts in remote places!!!!
34:10 went to other people’s country and behaving like a boss. Lol
You're right, 100%. But I would define it more so as disrespectful and a know-it-all. Yes there is technology that can test the age of bones, but does she have it available at that moment..No. she should have kept her mouth shut, if she didn't agree with the old man/guide. Like the young man said he knows that land...she and the others are just tourists plain and simple. And will always be just that! The amount of disrespect!! Unbelievable..but believable!!
She’s behaving like an expert in a field she studies. Living somewhere doesn’t make you an expert on anything. Many Egyptologists are not Egyptians and most Egyptians aren’t Egyptologists or experts. The people of ancient Egypt aren’t the ancestors or property of modern citizens of the modern nation of Egypt. This disagreement about dates has nothing to do with anyone’s nationality. She’s the boss of her project.
@Ed Ducate Having credentials is imperialism?
Overseas Chinese in Singapore....
Yes exactly like what Chinese are trying to do nowdays
Very interesting and worthwhile video.
Herodotus was a story teller . And he never let the truth get in the way of a good story. Much the same way archeologists don’t let science muddle their thinking.
Great Documentary, thanks very much!
34.00 I love the person( who is unsure about everything ☺️) arguing with the local about the age of dead a camel. Disagreement ended in a great joke!
I found the Gale lady very abrasive. She argued with a man who loves in the dessert longer than she had been alive about the age of a camel but expects to be taken as fact when she is identifying artifacts. Being a sceptic is important but she is disrespectful.
@@julzmgrforll7278 exactly. That really pissed me off
@@julzmgrforll7278 Yeah, she's a bonafide KAREN!
I thought they were going to leave her in the desert!
An entire army of deserteurs ? The word comes from the desert.
When someone vanished in the desert, it's a deserteur ....
"Army". It's always interesting when archaeologists go looking for armies. One man's army is another man's caravan, or troop, or... Add propaganda to that and a small armed force 1000 men can easily turn into an army of 20000 mean.
Very strange that they haven't thrown money into this. Incredible find. Unfortunately most of not all their money goes to unearthing tombs of their own ancestors. It would be amazing to excavate that site.
lets all raise some money and go look fer it ourselves.! they will just steal all the monies!
The real documentary should of been about how he managed to have a toupee made from his cat
should have
ROFLMAO, so hilarious
Oh my gosh!!!😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣
Don't argue with the Bedouins about the desert. A Bedouin guide is worth his weight in gold in the desert.
If a Bedouin is so inclinded to be helpful than yea but tell that to the Roman legion who were led to slaughter or the untold multitude murdered, looted and their bone left to bleach in the sun.
@@russianbot8423 I didnt say theyre inclined to be helpful, I said they know the desert the best, dont argue with them about it. Doesnt mean you should use them as guides to invade their country, thats just stupid.
Did they expect to find the bones of 50,000 people on the surface of the sand after 2500 years?
That;s funny
Especially in a desert where the dunes constantly shift.
It's a possibility, there are people who make good money going out into the desert after a sandstorm and finding things that have been exposed by the wind.
Obviously, to find bones is a lost cause, but you can still find things like arrowheads, fragments of chariots, armors and other remnants of objects surviving better the assault of time...
With constantly shifting dunes, as somebody pointed out, it's near impossible though. Even at the scale of 50K missing men, it's like searching for a moving needle on a big barn full of haystack.
@@nozoto need to put a camera on the desert area, and CHANGE THE DAMN FILM after a new storm! there, figured it all out. you owe me!
Amazing Nice Informative Video 👍😍
When searching for Indian artifacts in America (which my friend found many of) (in the hundreds) he always used a steel or aluminum rod (probe) to "feel" below the surface, I did not notice any team members probing the sand for artifacts, seems to me this would be an elementary way to begin. Also, I have seen videos of aireal ground penetrating radar used to find ancient desert cities, Wit the money involved in such an undertaking as this, why would you not be prepared with every modern technological tool to unearth what you are seeking?
Long and dangerous undertaking to come home empty handed.
As far as I know, India is in a completely different part of the world and not in North America. The people living in N. America were not Indians, didn't call themselves Indians and were given that name by mistake.
@@morecowbell235 ... but wait are they Native Americans if they originally... MiGrAtEd HeRe? Wait.... what if they came across the land bridge from..... SE Asia? Oh wait never mind.. Found the troll.
@@Mythicalniceguy Columbus sailed west hoping to find China and India aka the Indies, reasoning that he could do so because the world was round. Columbus had no clue that there were two continents in the Western Hemisphere that would block his path. When he hit land, he erroneously called the people he met, Indians. It didn't take too long before they realized that they had in fact not made it to India, but instead, an unknown continent.
There is no massive fund for speculative archaeology. They did well to fund two trucks, two guides, and their equipment. I too would have liked a nice, comprehensive investigation but life is not like that, especially with history. Having said that, I am sure they would have had more gear than we saw.
True. Very true indeed... although I'll point out the Egyptian govt would most certainly NOT allow any of that. (Even the stick probing would get you or I in trouble in Egypt). Absolutely HORRIBLE country to deal with concerning things of this nature. Particularly if you're a "westerner" , and if you're American don't even bother to ask, lol, you're not getting a permit for ANY antiquities hunting whatsoever!!!
Maybe, they we're on they're way to Roanoke, VA and got into a fight with the Mayans?
Dang, that's funny
Anyone else notice the war hammer miniatures moving across the map representing the Persian army? 😂
Historical miniatures, not Warhammer. Warhammer is a fantasy game, it's counterpart, Warhammer 40,000,a sci-fi one.
I want to thank all the prior commentators, I didn’t waste my time.
"...on foot, no shade in blistering temperatures..." Assuming they would travel by day.
I can see these hardened walkers, who no doubt knew how to get around at night, navigating across these light-colored sands by the stars, easily making 20 miles over the course of an eight-hour walk.
I noticed that the metal objects were bronze. I know that bronze was used well past the end of the bronze age, but I would think that, given the dry environment, more iron would be present.
Interesting finds, whatever they attest to.
Posting this before listening to rest of presentation.
I would assume an army would need pack animals to carry supplies through the desert.
@@cmcull987 I understand most pre-industrial armies had more four-legged members than two legged. Often many of the draft animals were oxen, and that much of the food supply cattle.
Wonderful deep dive into this mystery. The early explorers( and todays) really were, and are amazing in the work they did in such harsh conditions.
fossilized whale bones found in Sahara
Researchers working in the Sahara desert have uncovered dozens of fossilised remains thought to be the prehistoric ancestors of whales.
The whale bones were found in the Wati El Hitan in the Egyptian desert, once covered by a huge prehistoric ocean, and one of the finds is a 37 million-year-old skeleton of a legged form of whale that measures more than 65 feet (20 metres) long.
The next video on my recommendations is from Discovery Channel 2009 about 2 Italians that found hundreds of bones and Persian arrow heads in what looks like the same spot.
Link?
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Why do modern archaeologists always doubt the ability of ancient historians and leaders to count? "Always just take off a zero." ~"They clearly didn't know the difference between a thousand and ten thousand men. They invented our number system, but they actually couldn't really accurately count their armies." It's like modern archaeologists have some kind of egoism about our current era as being the most advanced possible, when the very discoveries they've made disprove that assumption, yet they continue to insist that those who managed ancient empires could not possibly have mustered the numbers for such an army, nor had the intellectual capacity to count them. This attitude is a detriment to our own understanding and advancement, to ignore the technologically advanced methods used in ancient times to construct stone monuments that we could not begin to conceive of how to do with our current technology at hand today. We are missing something. It could be that assuming the ancients couldn't count would be a place to start reevaluating our interpretation of ancient writings.
I could listen to this narrator talk about paint drying and be fascinated.😊
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Yeah, he speaks with such authority...
So the archeologist that just explored the area says there should be an expedition to explore the area. I'm so confused.
15:50 this guy comes to an oasis in the middle of the desert, that he describes as a few trees surrounding a hole with some water in it. And what's he do? Throws a rock in the only source of water for miles. SMH I don't why this bothers me, but it does.
And sometimes some awareness and tact is necessary. When your local guide wants to impress you with his ability to look at some camel bones and claim they are 200 years old, roll your eyes, and let him have his little moment, rather than call B.S. and humiliate him in front of everyone. Especially when he's from a society that having a woman call B.S. on his questionable claim, is especially humiliating. There was nothing to be gained from calling him out on his B.S. claims, but you sure won't be getting his best efforts now that you've insulted him. Tact....look it up. Everyone knew he had no clue how old those bones were just by looking at them. Just because someone is full of it, doesn't always mean you need to confront them with it. There is a time and place for everything. Tact is important when working with others.
It’s really rude of the woman-imperialistic froideur, really-to tell the Bedouin guide and the interpreter that the guide doesn’t know what he’s talking about when he dated the camel skeleton. She may know about old skeletons, but she does _NOT_ know the desert from Adam, and the guided _DOES._ If she had been taught manners, she would have nodded her head respectfully and kept her opinions to herself, rather than embarrass the guide with her condescending ignorance.
Well, someone had to have survived if they know they got hit by a sandstorm.
Loved the shot in 3:21 would love to know who’s army that is. I gotta get some ancients gaming going!
Due to the great amount of detail given by Herodotus, it seems fairly obvious not everyone died. How else could the time of day and the direction of the storm be known? Unless some traveler stumbled across the fresh remains of the army, but then why not take the armor and weapons?
Specifically because retrieving anything from the Sand Sea is near impossible. The heavier you make yourself by gathering those riches, the easier it is for you to sink or become so slowed that you yourself die out there. Likely some did survive, but they wouldnt have put themselves out there as verifiable sources as that would make them Deserters, which were often executed in Antiquity. Likely there were also local Bedouins and Egyptian scouts that kept VERY close watch on Cambyses as he traveled. They may have even encouraged him by lighting fires out farther in the Desert to give the Persians the false hope that they either neared Oasis or that they would soon fight the Egyptians and be able to take THEIR water. Fighting Desert peoples on their own terms, is INCREDIBLY stupid. Like, until the USSR attacked Finland, this may be the greatest example of how not knowing your enemy is always a recipe for disaster.
@@HClaurance those living there would probably have developed ways to move large amounts of items, say on a sledge, so much real life knowledge has been lost over the centuries. However metals and weapons would be almost too good to let waste, someone might even have decided that multiple trips would be profitable. But if the survivors were the source of the tales then they probably would not have the knowledge needed to get back to the site of the disaster.
@@HClaurance or fighting the Vietnames
@@rkh7904 To be fair, we murdered 3.2 Million Vietnamese for 65k US soldiers lost.......I mean, we lost that spiritually and through the media.....be we left Vietnam a fucking husk.
@@happygardener28 Listen, the problem is like trying to beat light speed. As you gain speed you also gain weight and you can't gain enough momentum and speed to actually carry you through. Nobody has done it because nobody has gotten through, it's all legends because even the very best with cars involved still had to be airflighted out, as no amount of walking or cars will get you out once youve gotten deep enough. That's what I tried to explain. Even the locals haven't figured out a way around it and only venture a very short ways in before retreating. The stories are based on the tiny fragments and bits they brought back, but if anybody was that good they'd have brought the entire treasure back assuming his army coffers and armours are still intact.
very good info for us
Herodotus himself said he was relaying stories that could not be verified. He absolutely participated in hearsay, he didn’t even hide that lol... it’s still a great read with tons of both history and popular contemporary myth that we can learn from, but it’s silly to try to argue he was not engaging in hearsay at times.
All history is hearsay. That doesn't make it false.
Having said that, he was quite unique in attempting to differentiate between likely historical events and myth.
Isn't Herodotus' second moniker "father of lies" supporting the exact thing you have alluded to. He did not travel to all these faraway places and most of his stories, were just that, hearsay.
If 50,000 soldiers vanished they wouldn't be near a Oasis or a up cropping it would be in the open desert, I would start looking for them from the destination the Army was heading for and back track from there.
This is like the History channel's UFO series. Much ado about nothing
Have you not heard UFO's are real . The Navy said they are real.
Dude... What? The history IN SCHOOL is about nothing! Its as fake as a Harry Potter book... Have you realised that with ALL of the technology we have, were still basing our history off sht from the 1800s, we havent updated anything worthwhile from space since 1968, we have more homeless people than EVER, are controlled by the government more than any other time in American history!!! All of our best scientists are either making Pharmaceuticals, Weapons or iPhones (so you can keep your self WILLFULLY uninformed, while more and more of our wealth funnels UP HILL!!!) AT LEAST THESE PEOPLE ARE DOING BOOTS ON THE GROUND RESEARCH BECAUSE THEY KNOW THE STATUS QUO IS COMPLETE BS!!!
yeah but we made millions off nothing!!
@@d.g.1986 How will new scientific and historical dicoveries help homeless junkies?
I’m sure they will investigate in twenty or thirty years so they can’t find anything and say the geologist doesn’t know what he’s talking about. Archeologists really hate regular folk getting famous for discovering anything.
Then why are shepherds credited with finding the Dead Sea Scrolls?
What makes them think that the topography is still the same all these years later?
Watching this documentary made me inexplicably thirsty....
Just a few bronze arrowheads in the sand which doesn't mean much. Could have been trade items from a caravan which was swallowed by the sands.
Killed by a desert storm, damn what a terrible way to go. Unfortunally, the deserts there have defeated every army that ever tried to tame them since the beginning of time.
Condensed version! 30 minutes of watching Land Rovers and then they are running out of time to do any real archeology. Then about 10 minutes of lacking anything to actually help. Like metal detectors or even a shovel! I did love the woman using the paint brush on the pottery neck. Three brush strokes and pick it up as if the brush did anything...hilarious!
Its a bad habit fore these programs that the content can be told in 10 minutes - irritating ! So thanks, no I can save my time and do something else. Did they find them ?
@@heidifarstadkvalheim4952 no one hey did not, it was another click bait
Yeah and when was the first time you did any "real archaeology"? In your head after watching Jurassic Park? Hilarious!
@@inconvenientfacts58 Probably the same time as these video producers... So never thank you!
What's never mentioned about the Persians is after consulting with the mentor of Nostradumis the army set out from Carg-Ahh in search of a souvenir shop where they purchased plastic army men from World War 2. Now we're getting somewhere.
As a history major with a great amount of military logistical knowledge, the idea of such a huge army marching through the desert to capture, what is actually a strategically unimportant town, is ludicrous! I have never believed this story outright. Persia did not become such a huge empire having idiots for commanders! Lacking other evidence to the contrary, I dismiss this as a typical Greek bullshit story to emphasize the inadequacies of said empire.
I don't know about the idea they got lost and off track, because the Egyptians no doubt traveled there and I would assume the Persians employed experienced Egyptian guides who were not suicidal enough to deliberately get lost with the Persians. I would think that if the tales of the lost army are true, they were lost in close proximity to either the ancient route to Siwa........which probably lies close to the current route, just like many roads here in the States and around the world follow the same routes laid down by ancient tribes.
I guess a metal detector would help find bronze?
At 22:38 why isn't the Land Rover in low range? It doesn't need a toyota to get it out of that sand.
I'm glad I skipped to the last 5 minutes because basically they didn't learn or find anything new.
Wish id seen this content 46 minutes ago at least then I wouldnt have had to put up with that arrogant and argumentative woman
😂😂so I’m not the only one who was duped! Taking that cue for next time!
Actually, what’s the point of looking for people that disappeared more than two millenniums ago? It’s not like they’ll be found alive.
@@Krututu13 useful for discovering truth versus myth.. and also understanding the links in the events... *one who forgets history is likely to repeat it* is what a famous saying says
22:20 Who's in charge of using the winch? Look at that mess!
Sandstorms will pay a heavy price for this unprovoked aggression
20:15 there is a movie loosely based on that crash called 'Sole Survivor' from 1970 starring William Shatner. I found it here on Yt and recommend it.
Wow! those people must have been serious about their religion, imagine 50,000 men marching 3,000 miles through a desert to fight with someone who said something bad about their god, who was probably just a wooden or stone statue. Think about all those wives, children, and mothers they left behind.
Ja - ha ha - Isaiah 44:16 and 17 - you take a piece of wood - you carve out an idol and you bow down to it - then you throw the rest in the fire
The Crusaders did it 8 different times over a couple hundred years. Some people just can't take a hint.
@@captaindunsel2806 The crusaders did it to defend Europe against the jihad which had already conquered half the Christian world.
Herodotus said many things,,, some correct, but some dead wrong. He claimed the pyramids were built after Ramses when they were in fact quite ancient by his time.
we could not know of the sand storm unless there were survivors
1:29 - The Ancient Persians invented filtered cigarettes?!!!