Wow what an insight. My brain feels like is bursting with information now off to read the New Yorker piece. Thank you so much for bringing this to us Emma. Great work. X
Emma, I greatly appreciate how fair you try to be in these cases. It takes SO much to be a public figure and yet give a genuine picture that your original opinion was wrong and you were willing to sit down with the innocence project and come to a different conclusion. THIS is why your fan base is so loyal to you!!! ❤
@@divadawn509 she's either faking it, or hasn't even read about the case before! She's acting surprised, or surprised before interviewing someone! That doesn't sound like she's even looked into anything. I actually like her, but she's acting completely naive in this interview and if feels it's all for show and I don't actually care whether it's about Bamber or not.
WOW!!! I am just blown away by the amount of reasonable doubt. It breaks me that he is still locked up. I couldn't even imagine 40 years. Please keep us updated on this case if possible.
I don’t believe there is much reasonable doubt. While the judge should have phrased it like that the only possible explanation is that it was either Jeremy of Sheila. There are no other suspects who could have done it if we believe that Jeremy really did get that phone call. There is no way that Sheila did it in the middle of a psychotic break. They are arguing that diazepam makes you act strangely. It also heavily sedates you, making the likelihood of to ferocity of the attack on Nevill impossible. The methodical way in which the murders took place is also extremely unlikely for somebody so floridly psychotic. There is no other reasonable explanation for the murders. Jeremy is guilty as sin.
@@serenjns The Jeremy bamber official (pro-innocence) website stated: "Sheila tested positive for the following: Cannabis in her urine, haloperidol in her liver. No drugs were indicated in her stomach contents." It makes no mention of diazepam. If there is a source that would confirm your claim I'd like to know about it. Sheila had the gun, IMO she shot Nevil in the mouth for getting calls away when they were both upstairs. Nevil was eventually overpowered due to the fact that he had already been shot and was extremely debilitated.
@@serenjns I had to check I'd not written this comment! You are completely correct by saying if we believe the phone call. People keep saying Neville called Jeremy and that's literally heresay. It's why they are desperate to try to believe that log at 3 26 is Neville calling the police. The log is clear it is information being passed from one officer to another. Also, the Campaign have a document saying if a phone is engaged it definitely means a person is speaking and not off the hook. That's incorrect and it would mean that Neville, apparently, made a call to Jeremy, then someone else *because the phone was engaged* then the police, then someone else at 3.30 when Jeremy tried again. It's an absurd scenario when a person is apparently going crazy or beserk with a gun. It also doesn't make sense neither phoned 999. I like how you say reasonable and the things I've just said are completely unreasonable. He's guilty.
Emma I LOVE that you're doing this !!! It's never sat right with me this case , and the media / tabloids throw down our necks whatever narrative suits their agenda ( I think paid off by powers that be imo ) so this is just fantastic. Love your content , and even more now ! Kat x
@@KatAtkins-d3o please. Can people stop using the same words on every crime upload or on FB. It's like playing not guilty bingo everyday. "Cover-up" "Corruption" "Scapegoat" "Do your research" and not forgetting "Never sat right with me or "Narrative". Paid off. I honestly don't mean to be rude to you in particular, but it's like a script in FB groups or on here for many cases. You do realise you are sounding like a conspiracy theorist?
This is such a treat Emma with your deep deep x1000000 dive! I actually never heard about this case being from the U.S. What a wonderful job you did covering this case. Hopefully Jeremy gets Justice with the new facts of this case. I loved this podcast. Scott V Seattle Wa
I am so thankful for you doing this! I immediately looked for additional information about this case when I finished your 2 part series and it made my blood boil!
I absolutely loved the 2 episodes you covered Emma. I had to watch them several times because of all the info I didn't know, and you provided us with. It took me a while to digest everything. Thank you for this update 🙏 I CAN"T wait to listen to this.
29:36 ive never understood when people say about people “why would they call their mom instead of 911 first?!??” Well IVE done that. When a partner of mine had come to my house drunk in the middle of the night screaming at me over the phone. I called my mom. Because i was taught as a child - you DO NOT call 911 unless it’s absolutely 100% an emergency. They drilled it into me so much that I’ve questioned myself more than once when needing to phone the police because it’s made so frightening - “you’ll get in big trouble if you call them and they come and you don’t really need them!”
I’m sorry you went through this. Yes, Sheila’s illness was kept under wraps and Nevill had calmed her during psychotic episodes before and can you imagine his first reaction being to call police who would have turned up armed and potentially shot his daughter? He only called police when whatever was happening escalated to the point he felt he had no choice.
And the Campaign document states that when a phone shows an engaged tone, it means a person is speaking on the line *it doesn't* so originally it said the line went dead. Fair enough. Then Jeremy tried to phone back engaged. Then Jeremy tries at 3.30 *engaged tone*. Neville is supposed to have kept making calls when a person is running around berserk with a gun. Odd situation letting a person keep making phone calls to others and supposedly the police. Amazingly a person running around with a rifle would let them make all these phone calls
@@lesley9989he called Julie at 3:30. You or I will never know what was going on in the lead up to the shootings. Thats why I rely on the police’s own evidence to draw my conclusions.
Emma plus guests thank you for an amazing discussion highlighting things we didn't know about this case I always felt very on the fence ... but now I cannot believe how police have fixed for want of other words this is absolutely disgusting and the fact the group is supposed to look into these cases and are not fit for purpose they need to be accountable and replaced ... i pray the continued discussion and hard work of your teams can see justice for this innocent man ❤
Emma, this has been fantastic, wow , it has been a real eye opener and has made me look at this case so differently, I always thought guilty as sin but am now thinking quite differently and if I am how many others are ?
If a person can be put away at the Kings pleasure why cannot the King request the review? Thank you Emma for your honesty and openness in acknowledging your past comments and now bringing this to the light.
Emma, thank you so much for your coverage of this case - as a long term true crime fan, and a long term Emma Kenny fan, as always you have done absolute justice to the facts, and taken a deep and considered look at the information available. I come away from this, after watching the 2 part deep dive and this conversation, feeling naive and foolish for having had the opinion I had. So I am heading straight to the New Yorker article and the website mentioned, to inform myself further. The crime that isn’t mentioned is how you don’t have more subscribers and likes for this video! We appreciate you and your utter dedication to these cases. This video has also given me a deeper insight into your character and morals, and the fact you are willing to say your initial opinion may have been flawed and uninformed is very admirable. You really don’t know how rare that is, and it is to be applauded. Thanks again ❤
I am so pleased you mentioned Lucy Letby. I have listened to every video and read the court transcript and I just don't believe she did it. The New Yorker article on her is also brilliant.
Yet another disgusting and disgraceful miscarriage of justice. Absolutely horrific what has happened to her and the parents of those children. I listened to the entirety of the report on this case that was undertaken before the court case the failings of that unit were abysmal. If anyone is interested there is a podcast 'let's talk about Lucy letby ' eye opening to say the least.
Emma, you have really treated us with this interview. All the facts are fascinating & all the information that was left out of the court case & missing.
I remember in the documentary Jeremy Bambers relatives, who were accusing him, saying no one wins. Well yes they win as with Jeremy out of the way they inherited the farm and the caravan park.
Gosh Emma, Iam so thrilled you made this videos. When I watched the first one I couldnt sleep and then again on the second, it is just terrifying that this can happen!
Emma and everyone on this deep dive discussion. Just Wow. And thank you so much. I was so happy when the New Yorker piece came out but acknowledge that the team behind Jeremy have been slogging away at this for many years. Amazing people as are you Emma for your humility. Come on now enough. Time for true justice.
Millbank made no sense in that article. If a person phones 999, they don't go immediately to the Police. They're asked which service they require. If they say nothing, I think it goes to the police. Millbank would have completed a log. Spoken or not and how did the operator and him know it was WHF? It doesn't add up. It doesn't add up he'd come forward now, still working there. No log and no proof from WHF
Thank you both for a really interesting conversation. And thank you for you guys helping people who are innocent etc. it has made me question my beliefs but I just have the 2 issues which I’ve already commented on etc which I’d love answers too. Emma re the past comments you did the best you could with the information you had. We love you loads xx
I had actually made a video on these murders. I've now taken it down and deleted it. Thank you Emma. I've always thought it was Bambi and I am now positive that an innocent man has spent 40 years in hell because of her.
@@lesley9989 Hi, like Emma I like to get all the facts for my videos, and it seems on this occasion I missed quite a lot of new information. I will repost it at a later date, with up to date information.
Emma, I've never heard of this case before (I'm under 40 living in the US) but I think you have done an absolute amazing job in researching and presenting this case. I cannot fathom how anyone can look at the evidence you have presented over these three videos and not clearly see that this man is innocent. Hoping that justice can be done for Jeremy.
Its clearly evident reading through the comments the people who watched it through and those that didn't. One commenter said "but how could Sheila shoot herself twice??" And many more. Watch the whole thing or don't comment.
I was a teenager when Jeremy Bamber was convicted. I’m a psychologist now & this case never sat well with me even as a kid. It was the twins, he had their artwork in his home. Then he was supposed to have killed them in cold blood? He cared about those little boys, no way in hell he killed them.
YOU should NEVER be an pshycologist if you are this easy fooled. Even serial killers can have normal life and have jobs and families and STILL DO HORRIBLE THINGS!! So having drawings by them means nothing. Hope you stick to psycology that does not involve criminals as you will be a danger to us all.
@@Droosieloo This is very true, but the alternative was believing that his ex wife and mother of his children had done it, which he had originally taken to be true as well. Horrible position to be in, but I think if it were me, I'd want to have blamed anyone but her.
@@AbieTSK he was also separated from Sheila at the time so had less issue with believing her guilt initially. As for their artwork in Jeremy’s home…..yeah men who kill their own children also have this. Doesn’t stop them though.
I also remember in that documentary that the crime scene photographer said when he first took the photos there was no red paint flakes on the floor beneath where the stove had been supposedly scratched by the silencer in the struggle but later there was. This shows the scratch was done AFTER the event.
After the event for no reason when it could just have been closed as a murder/suicide, but the police were having a slow day so just decided to build a case against someone else. How many police do you know who like to make work for themselves, with absolutely no pressure of having to find a killer and no public pressure? I don't know one and they can be lazy. Why not go for the easy option, murder/suicide? If you've got this information from the Campaign team website, the clue is in the name "Campaign". Look at the phone logs and ask questions about how Neville managed to keep making phone calls *not two has Emma Morris has stated on this page*. Their own Campaign document shows more if we're to believe an engaged tone means a person is actually speaking on that line.
Thank you so much for this conversation. I was so engrossed, I actually stopped my chores so I could sit down and fully focus. Thank you especially, Emma, for the note about the disclosure requirements. As an American (or just egocentric?), I spent most of this conversation wondering why the investigative panel/department/initiative is even necessary given the clear evidence that not everything was disclosed to the defense if not the jury. I’m so glad you mentioned that in the UK, there is no requirement for full disclosures. My mind is so entirely blown. It’s probably my American arrogance coming out, but I’ve always just kind of assumed that the UK/European justice system was pretty similar to the US. That the prosecution can just hide fundamental evidence feels wrong on so many levels! And just think of how different _My Cousin Vinny_ would be in the UK!
This is one of the first true crime cases I remember watching a documentary about as a young teenager. I never felt right about how he was convicted. Thank you for these videos and for highlighting all the other information. I know it was the family that pushed his guilt, but I wonder if it had happened today, with the increased awareness about mental health, whether more people would have believed/accepted that a mother could do that to her family.
😂 unsure what you mean about the truth or being right. I don't understand how you can't think they can be the same thing! Surely the truth and being right are the same thing? He's guilty. Even a Campaign document with phone calls was so convulated to try to make sure that Neville made more phone calls than Contestants on Deal or No Deal when a person was running around going berserk with a gun. Neville didn't phone anyone and Jeremy didn't wait 20mins to phone the local police station. None of it makes sense. Which person *or two* don't phone 999, but we're expected to believe a person in a psychotic state managed it after slaughtering their family, 3hrs later
Thanks Em your coverage of this case really has made me question everything I thought I knew about this case. After recent events seeing my 80 year old father imprisoned falsely and seeing 1st hand the absolute farce and mishandling of his case by a biased judge who made requests about the time taken by the jury to reach a verdict because the prosecuting barrister was going on holiday my faith in our system is gone. Due to him being in Doncaster and me being in London and planning a move to the Netherlands I know I will never see him again 😢 also I'm on my own and have pets that need my care so can't get there. We speak every Sunday and my mum and brothers see him every 2 weeks. The legal system is broken and full of bias by judges and courts that refuse to admit the full weight of evidence as the public we see the biased version and sadly this had happened to Jeremy Bamber there should be a retrial where all evidence supporting his innocence are admitted. The press have to much freedom to publish lies. Again my mums address was published and she is an 80 year old woman with a small dog alone. Imthinking of moving back home with her whilst I plan my move. She has neighbours who keep an eye on her and who know my dad is innocent but it still worries me. As a black belt and ex soldier with 2 bigger dogs and a savage cat she would be safer with me there. I sincerely hope the truth comes out and Jeremy is fully compensated and his name is cleared. He has lost so much time and freedom. As I say I fully believed in his guilt and now I have my doubts. There has to be reasonable doubt here xx
I'm sorry your parents are going through all that. After you, their son, serving the country as a soldier, too, it hurts when we discover such awful corruption. May truth & innocence prevail - stay strong, sir xx
I’m not totally and 100% convinced of his absolute innocence. What I am completely sure of is that there is considerable reasonable doubt. Too much doubt to have committed this man to a life sentence conviction. That, in itself, is a travesty.
Who inherited it all when he went to prison ? The whole family seemed to be more bothered about the money and him inheriting everything . I do think Sheila did this, its really sad
Thank you for your work on this case Emma, such an incredible series of videos with so much new information, I sincerely hope he gets another chance, the corruption in this case is horrendous
Thank you, Emma, for highlighting a very complicated case, about which I have harboured doubts from day 1. Much was revealed which should have been made clear from the beginning in order for Jeremy Bamber to have a fair trial.
Unsure where you've ever got that idea from. I think he's guilty, but a Barrister wants to present and win a case, Prosecution or Defence. I don't really think they care if a person is innocent or guilty
I'm blown away. Typical of the police 40 years ago. Did they really put Jeremy away for 40 years and he was innocent? How could they contaminate the crime scene so badly. Sounds like this was a miscarriage of justice.
It sounds like a miscarriage because it is.the home office and essex police.are just stalling for time by not disclosing evidence waiting for Jeremy bamber to die.they wont admit there wrong because it was right at the start. Disclosure of more evidence. Makes no difference because a few times over the evidence already released can acquit him a few times over.its absolutely insane now they wont admit there wrong and set him free. The home office are waiting for an innocent man to die .even though people know hes innocent how are they allowed to keep him in prison.the home office and judicial are breaking the law literally
OMG they let people use that scene for Training!! Where was the respect for this family , their dignity . This information is mind blowing!!! seriously
@@thetruthmatters341 as they should, it was an appalling piece of police work. It’s a learning experience for anyone about not accepting what you see at first sight and not to muck around and destroy potential forensic evidence.
@@alexandrareid1553I know. Out or interest, was it ever said it was used for training? Aside from the fact firearms had entered the scene and will have ensured all weapons has been made safe, but they've got to get round two shots when it's suicide. I've also seen comments saying she shot herself once, then ran around and shot herself the second time when the police stormed in.
@lesley9989 I read there were finger prints belonging to 17 more police officers than originally thought, and that with that total added to the other officers made the amount excessive but nothing at all about staging of bodies and the absolutely ridiculous training officers caused the second shot and covered it up lol
This case is very similar to Luke Mitchell's case in Scotland regarding evidence. Luke has served 21 years in prison so far and there is so much wrong with his conviction its shocking xxx
Well I've watched many more videos on the conviction of Luke Mitchell and I've never thought he was guilty, not once. With Bamber, I'm still 50/50 so I'm very much on the fence. Do you think it was her brother and friend/friends who killed her?
Got to be honest, I never thought the guy did it. I was only a small kid at the time, but I watched a documentary years later, and said to my girlfriend ( now wife) "" I think this guy's innocent ". There was a jealous ex, a weird uncle, a family inheritance, and too many unanswered questions for my likings.
The green river killer passed 2 polygraphs and guess what.... he killed 40 odd women. Psychopaths can pass them easily. Not saying he is guilty but passing a lie detector test proves nothing
I have always had doubts over his guilt since I first heard of it in early nineties. I am not 100% he is innocent, however I have major doubts. No chance in a hundred years if I was a juror would I have found him guilty, I would say I go between believing it was Jeremy then think it was his sister. Never more than 60% either way. So massive "reasonable doubt"
Thank you so much Emma for this extra video, I like you believed everything I read and saw at the time and was convinced about hs guilt. I watched your 2 videos on this case and have now changed my mind. I hope Jeremy gets another day in court and is exonerated
I've always found this case very odd. I seem to recall a Radio 4 programme from ? early 2000s which raised questions about the convenient finding of the silencer by the cousins. Was deeply suspicious back then. The White House Farm dramatisation is quite troubling too. Odd choice to make a drama on a case with such troubling evidence.
@@CharlieCharlie881seriously, after all of this evidence and new disclosures in the New Yorker? Milbank has admitted he took the 999 call at 6:09 am and that he didn't make a statement to say that he connected a line, how do you explain that? I know we have chatted about this a lot but this is new evidence that you can't just brush aside, surely?
@@CharlieCharlie881 NICE ONE, as who the hell in their right mind, would leave a rifle and ammunition, casually on a kitchen table, in a farmhouse that was inhabited by their "apparent????" mad adoptive sister and 2, 6 year old kids, Jeremy Bamber, "correctly and legally caught out as a sadistic multiple murderer, due to his own GREED". end of.
In searching pictures of the scene, i saw a picture of that rifle up against the window in one pic. On her body in another and then they moved her hand onto the rifle on her in the next...
I’ve been flamed loads of times under various UA-cam videos for saying ‘reasonable doubt is the understatement of the last century’. For all anyone except him knows, he could be a family annihilator, but 100% not provably so. Totally due to the failure of the police to preserve the scene. This is surely the biggest profile case since the Birmingham Six and the Guildford Four, with the longest list of reasons that reasonable doubt exists. It shouldn’t even be up for debate. It’s 39 years later and here we still are. This case will NEVER sit right for me. Thank you so much Emma for all the hard work you’ve put into these three videos. No wonder you said “I’ve been trying to avoid this case!” at the very beginning of Ep1. Never stop doing what you’re doing 👏🏻🫶
@@lesley9989 Big time. I’m not sure how well Carol Ann Lee’s book stands up, I’ve seen her as an expert on so many programmes, one week ABBA, another week something else. It’s a good book though, and the series was ok.
Thank you for covering this case in such detail. I have since been doing my own research on the new evidence uncovered which was talked about on this video and what an eye opener it's all been. At the time of this case I was about 12 but very much into crime back then and had Jeremy down as the murderer. Jeremy should be freed and cleared of this crime he is innocent I have no doubt. What a miscarriage of Justice they needed someone to frame and he'll do which is how it feels xx
Lost Faith in everything and everyone who have any position of power in these easily Corrupted, incompetent and often blackmailed and dishonest Authorities. Sad but COVID has opened so many minds and always trust your eyes 👀❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️
Emma Kenny you should have a look in to Luke Mitchell case some of the same sort of facts in his case. If you have time you should watch Murder in a small town about his case..
💯 great suggestion, I’d love to hear Emma’s take on the Luke Mitchell/ Jodie Jones case. I was firmly in the ‘guilty’ camp for years and while I’m not saying I think he’s 100% innocent (I’m still on the fence a bit) I do think there is enough reasonable doubt for his conviction to be unsafe.
My god, a training exercise at a crime scene???? and the fact they shot her for the second time on accident? I'm so shocked! Why is this man still in prison? Even if he did do it (which I doubt) there is reasonable doubts and a huge miscarriage of justice!
@@Pmrace1960I think he's guilty, but you're correct in relation to the silencer. Julie Mugford gave evidence of his saying he had spoken about killing his family. Seems odd they we're all together that night in one house and Bamber left a riffle out. He also started asking about the insurance quickly
Wow what a miss carriage of justice if he is innocent and he never killed his family and he has had to deal with that emotionally as grieving brother uncle and son...but yet again he may be not innocent...but i think personally i at the time belived he did kill his family and now im not sure and if there is doubt there should be a new trial..thank you emma for all the research you do while being a new mum and also on holiday when you should be taking a break you are still being someone who wants to make sure once and for all either way if he is indeed innocent or not...take care 💚💚💚
This is shocking! Whether you believe he is guilty or not, there is definitely reasonable doubt. And I don’t understand why all of the evidence hasn’t been shared by the police.
Exactly. They just say his conviction has stood up to various investigations and an appeal and use this as reason to refuse to disclose very limited and specific documentation that we know they hold. Last time we just asked for photos of the silencer/s and that was it. They still refused! No one will ever get a fair appeal or review when they continue to withhold very relevant documentation and evidence.
If there was someone moving around inside which they may have been but if that was the case why were the final gunshots not heard by any one outside, or were they ??
I’ve been thinking about that a little too much. I do believe in the USrhus happens way too often so many die in prison. I think about how that would feel to say, lose a child and go to prison for the “murder” when you didn’t actually do it. You not only lose your child, spouse, friend or family member then get blamed for the crime. To be sitting in prison for said crime 😭💔🫣
Well done Emma…. You’re on fire ! On this one!…. I’ve followed this case for 37 yrs….. I know every molecule of the case….it needs a detail goddess like you to sort this out… once and for all….and you look even younger…. By the way….If that’s possible…. Keep smiling… Xx
Kudos for being transparent. That's how we grow.
Wow what an insight. My brain feels like is bursting with information now off to read the New Yorker piece. Thank you so much for bringing this to us Emma. Great work. X
Emma, I greatly appreciate how fair you try to be in these cases. It takes SO much to be a public figure and yet give a genuine picture that your original opinion was wrong and you were willing to sit down with the innocence project and come to a different conclusion. THIS is why your fan base is so loyal to you!!! ❤
@@divadawn509 she's either faking it, or hasn't even read about the case before! She's acting surprised, or surprised before interviewing someone! That doesn't sound like she's even looked into anything. I actually like her, but she's acting completely naive in this interview and if feels it's all for show and I don't actually care whether it's about Bamber or not.
WOW!!! I am just blown away by the amount of reasonable doubt. It breaks me that he is still locked up. I couldn't even imagine 40 years. Please keep us updated on this case if possible.
I don’t believe there is much reasonable doubt. While the judge should have phrased it like that the only possible explanation is that it was either Jeremy of Sheila. There are no other suspects who could have done it if we believe that Jeremy really did get that phone call. There is no way that Sheila did it in the middle of a psychotic break. They are arguing that diazepam makes you act strangely. It also heavily sedates you, making the likelihood of to ferocity of the attack on Nevill impossible. The methodical way in which the murders took place is also extremely unlikely for somebody so floridly psychotic. There is no other reasonable explanation for the murders. Jeremy is guilty as sin.
@@serenjns The Jeremy bamber official (pro-innocence) website stated:
"Sheila tested positive for the following: Cannabis in her urine, haloperidol in her liver. No drugs were indicated in her stomach contents." It makes no mention of diazepam. If there is a source that would confirm your claim I'd like to know about it. Sheila had the gun, IMO she shot Nevil in the mouth for getting calls away when they were both upstairs. Nevil was eventually overpowered due to the fact that he had already been shot and was extremely debilitated.
@@serenjns I had to check I'd not written this comment! You are completely correct by saying if we believe the phone call. People keep saying Neville called Jeremy and that's literally heresay. It's why they are desperate to try to believe that log at 3 26 is Neville calling the police. The log is clear it is information being passed from one officer to another. Also, the Campaign have a document saying if a phone is engaged it definitely means a person is speaking and not off the hook. That's incorrect and it would mean that Neville, apparently, made a call to Jeremy, then someone else *because the phone was engaged* then the police, then someone else at 3.30 when Jeremy tried again. It's an absurd scenario when a person is apparently going crazy or beserk with a gun. It also doesn't make sense neither phoned 999. I like how you say reasonable and the things I've just said are completely unreasonable. He's guilty.
Emma I LOVE that you're doing this !!! It's never sat right with me this case , and the media / tabloids throw down our necks whatever narrative suits their agenda ( I think paid off by powers that be imo ) so this is just fantastic. Love your content , and even more now ! Kat x
@@KatAtkins-d3o please. Can people stop using the same words on every crime upload or on FB. It's like playing not guilty bingo everyday. "Cover-up" "Corruption" "Scapegoat" "Do your research" and not forgetting "Never sat right with me or "Narrative". Paid off. I honestly don't mean to be rude to you in particular, but it's like a script in FB groups or on here for many cases. You do realise you are sounding like a conspiracy theorist?
This is such a treat Emma with your deep deep x1000000 dive! I actually never heard about this case being from the U.S. What a wonderful job you did covering this case. Hopefully Jeremy gets Justice with the new facts of this case. I loved this podcast. Scott V Seattle Wa
I have had doubts of his guilt from watching just about everything I can for years. Emma, you are wonderful! Thank you xx
I am so thankful for you doing this! I immediately looked for additional information about this case when I finished your 2 part series and it made my blood boil!
I absolutely loved the 2 episodes you covered Emma. I had to watch them several times because of all the info I didn't know, and you provided us with. It took me a while to digest everything. Thank you for this update 🙏 I CAN"T wait to listen to this.
29:36 ive never understood when people say about people “why would they call their mom instead of 911 first?!??” Well IVE done that. When a partner of mine had come to my house drunk in the middle of the night screaming at me over the phone. I called my mom. Because i was taught as a child - you DO NOT call 911 unless it’s absolutely 100% an emergency. They drilled it into me so much that I’ve questioned myself more than once when needing to phone the police because it’s made so frightening - “you’ll get in big trouble if you call them and they come and you don’t really need them!”
I’m sorry you went through this. Yes, Sheila’s illness was kept under wraps and Nevill had calmed her during psychotic episodes before and can you imagine his first reaction being to call police who would have turned up armed and potentially shot his daughter? He only called police when whatever was happening escalated to the point he felt he had no choice.
When someone is going besek with a gun? Two people decided then to phone the local police after? Mmm
And the Campaign document states that when a phone shows an engaged tone, it means a person is speaking on the line *it doesn't* so originally it said the line went dead. Fair enough. Then Jeremy tried to phone back engaged. Then Jeremy tries at 3.30 *engaged tone*. Neville is supposed to have kept making calls when a person is running around berserk with a gun. Odd situation letting a person keep making phone calls to others and supposedly the police. Amazingly a person running around with a rifle would let them make all these phone calls
@@lesley9989 He wouldn't have called Bamber ,him and Sheila hated each other
@@lesley9989he called Julie at 3:30. You or I will never know what was going on in the lead up to the shootings. Thats why I rely on the police’s own evidence to draw my conclusions.
Emma plus guests thank you for an amazing discussion highlighting things we didn't know about this case I always felt very on the fence ... but now I cannot believe how police have fixed for want of other words this is absolutely disgusting and the fact the group is supposed to look into these cases and are not fit for purpose they need to be accountable and replaced ... i pray the continued discussion and hard work of your teams can see justice for this innocent man ❤
Emma, this has been fantastic, wow , it has been a real eye opener and has made me look at this case so differently, I always thought guilty as sin but am now thinking quite differently and if I am how many others are ?
If a person can be put away at the Kings pleasure why cannot the King request the review? Thank you Emma for your honesty and openness in acknowledging your past comments and now bringing this to the light.
Wow. I was hoping you would update us soon.... But this soon... Thanx Emma. ❤
Emma, thank you so much for your coverage of this case - as a long term true crime fan, and a long term Emma Kenny fan, as always you have done absolute justice to the facts, and taken a deep and considered look at the information available.
I come away from this, after watching the 2 part deep dive and this conversation, feeling naive and foolish for having had the opinion I had.
So I am heading straight to the New Yorker article and the website mentioned, to inform myself further.
The crime that isn’t mentioned is how you don’t have more subscribers and likes for this video! We appreciate you and your utter dedication to these cases. This video has also given me a deeper insight into your character and morals, and the fact you are willing to say your initial opinion may have been flawed and uninformed is very admirable. You really don’t know how rare that is, and it is to be applauded.
Thanks again ❤
I am so pleased you mentioned Lucy Letby. I have listened to every video and read the court transcript and I just don't believe she did it. The New Yorker article on her is also brilliant.
Yet another disgusting and disgraceful miscarriage of justice. Absolutely horrific what has happened to her and the parents of those children. I listened to the entirety of the report on this case that was undertaken before the court case the failings of that unit were abysmal. If anyone is interested there is a podcast 'let's talk about Lucy letby ' eye opening to say the least.
Emma, you have really treated us with this interview. All the facts are fascinating & all the information that was left out of the court case & missing.
Extremely interesting I'm old enough to remember this case, I have watched all 3 and I have changed my mind about Jeremy's guilt.
Well in Emma for being the truth speaker.
You are too good to us! What a treat🥰🥰😍 thank you xx
Thank you so much for this! You're amazing Emma and I'm so grateful to you for introducing us all to the innocent project
I remember in the documentary Jeremy Bambers relatives, who were accusing him, saying no one wins. Well yes they win as with Jeremy out of the way they inherited the farm and the caravan park.
Gosh Emma, Iam so thrilled you made this videos. When I watched the first one I couldnt sleep and then again on the second, it is just terrifying that this can happen!
Emma and everyone on this deep dive discussion. Just Wow. And thank you so much. I was so happy when the New Yorker piece came out but acknowledge that the team behind Jeremy have been slogging away at this for many years. Amazing people as are you Emma for your humility. Come on now enough. Time for true justice.
Millbank made no sense in that article. If a person phones 999, they don't go immediately to the Police. They're asked which service they require. If they say nothing, I think it goes to the police. Millbank would have completed a log. Spoken or not and how did the operator and him know it was WHF? It doesn't add up. It doesn't add up he'd come forward now, still working there. No log and no proof from WHF
Explain how Millbank new it was from WHF
Thank you both for a really interesting conversation. And thank you for you guys helping people who are innocent etc. it has made me question my beliefs but I just have the 2 issues which I’ve already commented on etc which I’d love answers too. Emma re the past comments you did the best you could with the information you had. We love you loads xx
There are cases that do not meet the requirements of "beyond a reasonable doubt!" This is one of them.
Wow I have to watch this now ,! It looks so fascinating
I had actually made a video on these murders. I've now taken it down and deleted it. Thank you Emma. I've always thought it was Bambi and I am now positive that an innocent man has spent 40 years in hell because of her.
Why take it down?
He isnt innocent ,hes admitted it in jail and before he got caught
@CharlieCharlie881 you do know thousands of ppl admit to crime they didn't do right.
@@lesley9989 Hi, like Emma I like to get all the facts for my videos, and it seems on this occasion I missed quite a lot of new information. I will repost it at a later date, with up to date information.
@CharlieCharlie881 is this information according to Mugford?
Emma, I've never heard of this case before (I'm under 40 living in the US) but I think you have done an absolute amazing job in researching and presenting this case. I cannot fathom how anyone can look at the evidence you have presented over these three videos and not clearly see that this man is innocent. Hoping that justice can be done for Jeremy.
Its clearly evident reading through the comments the people who watched it through and those that didn't. One commenter said "but how could Sheila shoot herself twice??"
And many more. Watch the whole thing or don't comment.
I was a teenager when Jeremy Bamber was convicted. I’m a psychologist now & this case never sat well with me even as a kid. It was the twins, he had their artwork in his home. Then he was supposed to have killed them in cold blood? He cared about those little boys, no way in hell he killed them.
YOU should NEVER be an pshycologist if you are this easy fooled. Even serial killers can have normal life and have jobs and families and STILL DO HORRIBLE THINGS!! So having drawings by them means nothing. Hope you stick to psycology that does not involve criminals as you will be a danger to us all.
Read the father’s book about grief….he has no issue with believing Jeremy to be guilty.
@@Droosieloo This is very true, but the alternative was believing that his ex wife and mother of his children had done it, which he had originally taken to be true as well. Horrible position to be in, but I think if it were me, I'd want to have blamed anyone but her.
@@AbieTSK he was also separated from Sheila at the time so had less issue with believing her guilt initially. As for their artwork in Jeremy’s home…..yeah men who kill their own children also have this. Doesn’t stop them though.
@@DroosielooHi do you know the name of the book I'd love to read it x
I also remember in that documentary that the crime scene photographer said when he first took the photos there was no red paint flakes on the floor beneath where the stove had been supposedly scratched by the silencer in the struggle but later there was. This shows the scratch was done AFTER the event.
After the event for no reason when it could just have been closed as a murder/suicide, but the police were having a slow day so just decided to build a case against someone else. How many police do you know who like to make work for themselves, with absolutely no pressure of having to find a killer and no public pressure? I don't know one and they can be lazy. Why not go for the easy option, murder/suicide? If you've got this information from the Campaign team website, the clue is in the name "Campaign". Look at the phone logs and ask questions about how Neville managed to keep making phone calls *not two has Emma Morris has stated on this page*. Their own Campaign document shows more if we're to believe an engaged tone means a person is actually speaking on that line.
Thank you so much for this conversation. I was so engrossed, I actually stopped my chores so I could sit down and fully focus. Thank you especially, Emma, for the note about the disclosure requirements. As an American (or just egocentric?), I spent most of this conversation wondering why the investigative panel/department/initiative is even necessary given the clear evidence that not everything was disclosed to the defense if not the jury. I’m so glad you mentioned that in the UK, there is no requirement for full disclosures. My mind is so entirely blown. It’s probably my American arrogance coming out, but I’ve always just kind of assumed that the UK/European justice system was pretty similar to the US. That the prosecution can just hide fundamental evidence feels wrong on so many levels! And just think of how different _My Cousin Vinny_ would be in the UK!
So glad to watch this . Thank you Emma. I actually always thought there was a big chance that they got this one wrong. Cant wait to watch it! xx
Fantastic...this has really changed my perception of the case
You did well emma incredible discussion..your so astute to all kinds of this human race ..love your work! ❤❤❤
This is one of the first true crime cases I remember watching a documentary about as a young teenager. I never felt right about how he was convicted. Thank you for these videos and for highlighting all the other information.
I know it was the family that pushed his guilt, but I wonder if it had happened today, with the increased awareness about mental health, whether more people would have believed/accepted that a mother could do that to her family.
Thank you for caring more about truth than being right. I have learned so much
😂 unsure what you mean about the truth or being right. I don't understand how you can't think they can be the same thing! Surely the truth and being right are the same thing? He's guilty. Even a Campaign document with phone calls was so convulated to try to make sure that Neville made more phone calls than Contestants on Deal or No Deal when a person was running around going berserk with a gun. Neville didn't phone anyone and Jeremy didn't wait 20mins to phone the local police station. None of it makes sense. Which person *or two* don't phone 999, but we're expected to believe a person in a psychotic state managed it after slaughtering their family, 3hrs later
@@lesley9989 Agree, you cant make a phone call on an open line
@@lesley9989 You couldn't make it up if you tried, he is evil ,and no phone calls
Thanks Em your coverage of this case really has made me question everything I thought I knew about this case. After recent events seeing my 80 year old father imprisoned falsely and seeing 1st hand the absolute farce and mishandling of his case by a biased judge who made requests about the time taken by the jury to reach a verdict because the prosecuting barrister was going on holiday my faith in our system is gone. Due to him being in Doncaster and me being in London and planning a move to the Netherlands I know I will never see him again 😢 also I'm on my own and have pets that need my care so can't get there. We speak every Sunday and my mum and brothers see him every 2 weeks. The legal system is broken and full of bias by judges and courts that refuse to admit the full weight of evidence as the public we see the biased version and sadly this had happened to Jeremy Bamber there should be a retrial where all evidence supporting his innocence are admitted. The press have to much freedom to publish lies. Again my mums address was published and she is an 80 year old woman with a small dog alone. Imthinking of moving back home with her whilst I plan my move. She has neighbours who keep an eye on her and who know my dad is innocent but it still worries me. As a black belt and ex soldier with 2 bigger dogs and a savage cat she would be safer with me there. I sincerely hope the truth comes out and Jeremy is fully compensated and his name is cleared. He has lost so much time and freedom. As I say I fully believed in his guilt and now I have my doubts. There has to be reasonable doubt here xx
I'm sorry your parents are going through all that. After you, their son, serving the country as a soldier, too, it hurts when we discover such awful corruption. May truth & innocence prevail - stay strong, sir xx
I’m not totally and 100% convinced of his absolute innocence. What I am completely sure of is that there is considerable reasonable doubt. Too much doubt to have committed this man to a life sentence conviction. That, in itself, is a travesty.
I feel the same way
Who inherited it all when he went to prison ?
The whole family seemed to be more bothered about the money and him inheriting everything .
I do think Sheila did this, its really sad
Amazing interview Emma - thank you all ❤
This is your best one yet! Fantastic work Emma!
Thank you for your work on this case Emma, such an incredible series of videos with so much new information, I sincerely hope he gets another chance, the corruption in this case is horrendous
Wow I truly wasn’t expecting this upload. Thank you so much 😊👏🏻
Wow I love this. Thank u Emma and the innocent project 🙏
There' was a case in NZ - David Bain - that has some chilling parallels to this one.
Wow this is mind-blowing. SCARY
This was absolutely fascinating. Thank you
Thank you, Emma, for highlighting a very complicated case, about which I have harboured doubts from day 1. Much was revealed which should have been made clear from the beginning in order for Jeremy Bamber to have a fair trial.
It’s supposed to be about, “Justice” & finding the truth, NOT winning or loosing the case! 🤬
Sadly it is always about who wins or who loses in court, not the truth
Unsure where you've ever got that idea from. I think he's guilty, but a Barrister wants to present and win a case, Prosecution or Defence. I don't really think they care if a person is innocent or guilty
I always thought he was innocent
Thank you Emma!
I'm blown away. Typical of the police 40 years ago. Did they really put Jeremy away for 40 years and he was innocent? How could they contaminate the crime scene so badly. Sounds like this was a miscarriage of justice.
It sounds like a miscarriage because it is.the home office and essex police.are just stalling for time by not disclosing evidence waiting for Jeremy bamber to die.they wont admit there wrong because it was right at the start. Disclosure of more evidence. Makes no difference because a few times over the evidence already released can acquit him a few times over.its absolutely insane now they wont admit there wrong and set him free. The home office are waiting for an innocent man to die .even though people know hes innocent how are they allowed to keep him in prison.the home office and judicial are breaking the law literally
Typical of police now.
Love you Emma ALWAYS do your own research and never believe everything you are told is the truth ❤
OMG they let people use that scene for Training!! Where was the respect for this family , their dignity . This information is mind blowing!!! seriously
@@thetruthmatters341 as they should, it was an appalling piece of police work. It’s a learning experience for anyone about not accepting what you see at first sight and not to muck around and destroy potential forensic evidence.
Total bollocks
@@alexandrareid1553I know. Out or interest, was it ever said it was used for training? Aside from the fact firearms had entered the scene and will have ensured all weapons has been made safe, but they've got to get round two shots when it's suicide. I've also seen comments saying she shot herself once, then ran around and shot herself the second time when the police stormed in.
@lesley9989 I read there were finger prints belonging to 17 more police officers than originally thought, and that with that total added to the other officers made the amount excessive but nothing at all about staging of bodies and the absolutely ridiculous training officers caused the second shot and covered it up lol
Emma so glad you are seeing the light with this case FREE Jeremy Bamber !
This case is very similar to Luke Mitchell's case in Scotland regarding evidence. Luke has served 21 years in prison so far and there is so much wrong with his conviction its shocking xxx
I’d love to see Emma cover Luke Mitchell/ jodi jones case!
@@scottishemmaa2457 me too xxx
Agreed. Shocking case and Luke was just a child! Justice for Luke and Jodi xx
💯 Emma needs to cover this case
Well I've watched many more videos on the conviction of Luke Mitchell and I've never thought he was guilty, not once. With Bamber, I'm still 50/50 so I'm very much on the fence. Do you think it was her brother and friend/friends who killed her?
Great coverage Emma. I hope he gets justice . This case was horrific and after hearing the actual truth... it is even more so.
Got to be honest, I never thought the guy did it.
I was only a small kid at the time, but I watched a documentary years later, and said to my girlfriend ( now wife) "" I think this guy's innocent ".
There was a jealous ex, a weird uncle, a family inheritance, and too many unanswered questions for my likings.
Really interested to see different opinions about this case
Jeremy passed a polygraph test conducted by Terry Mullins a few years ago Emma I spoke to Terry about this case 😮❤
The green river killer passed 2 polygraphs and guess what.... he killed 40 odd women. Psychopaths can pass them easily. Not saying he is guilty but passing a lie detector test proves nothing
because he’s a Physco
wired up different to us
no emotion
that’s how he passed
@@danielbridson8534he's been tested a few times for psychosis . He's not .
Thank you! What an interesting discussion x
This has really made me re think this whole case! 😢
Great Episode Emma ... Thanks...❤️💚💜🇨🇦
So interesting, frustrating and so so sad . Thank you Emma . Xx
Thank you Emma xx
That poor man. Spent over half his life in prison 😢
I have always had doubts over his guilt since I first heard of it in early nineties.
I am not 100% he is innocent, however I have major doubts.
No chance in a hundred years if I was a juror would I have found him guilty, I would say I go between believing it was Jeremy then think it was his sister. Never more than 60% either way.
So massive "reasonable doubt"
Thank you so much Emma for this extra video, I like you believed everything I read and saw at the time and was convinced about hs guilt. I watched your 2 videos on this case and have now changed my mind. I hope Jeremy gets another day in court and is exonerated
I've changed my mind on this case x Jeremy is looking innocent x thank you Emma,and guests x
I HAVENT BEEN SURE HE WAS GUILTY I HOPE THE TRUTH COMES OUT
I think a large wodge of truth has come out. Probably a lot more exculpatory evidence has been destroyed. Mr Bamber did not kill his family .
This makes me question not just my opinion on this case but other big cases as well! Time to learn to do my own research… 🧐
I've always found this case very odd. I seem to recall a Radio 4 programme from ? early 2000s which raised questions about the convenient finding of the silencer by the cousins. Was deeply suspicious back then. The White House Farm dramatisation is quite troubling too. Odd choice to make a drama on a case with such troubling evidence.
I thought the same as you Emma, this has changed my mind! 🙏
Absolutely gripping Emma. Do you think your listeners could join the campaign to help Bamber get an appeal and a re trial? X
Already had them and still found guilty, he is where he should be
@@CharlieCharlie881seriously, after all of this evidence and new disclosures in the New Yorker? Milbank has admitted he took the 999 call at 6:09 am and that he didn't make a statement to say that he connected a line, how do you explain that? I know we have chatted about this a lot but this is new evidence that you can't just brush aside, surely?
@@CharlieCharlie881 NICE ONE, as who the hell in their right mind,
would leave a rifle and ammunition, casually on a kitchen table,
in a farmhouse that was inhabited by their "apparent????" mad adoptive sister and 2, 6 year old kids,
Jeremy Bamber, "correctly and legally caught out as a sadistic multiple murderer, due to his own GREED". end of.
@@organickevinlondon He is pure evil
@@CharlieCharlie881you'll find his ex and the family who pushed for his guilt are evil, if you've not watched this then STFU rat
In searching pictures of the scene, i saw a picture of that rifle up against the window in one pic. On her body in another and then they moved her hand onto the rifle on her in the next...
Correct. Yet the police say the rifle wasn’t moved from her body until after the crime scene photos were taken. Well, very clearly they were.
I’ve been flamed loads of times under various UA-cam videos for saying ‘reasonable doubt is the understatement of the last century’. For all anyone except him knows, he could be a family annihilator, but 100% not provably so. Totally due to the failure of the police to preserve the scene.
This is surely the biggest profile case since the Birmingham Six and the Guildford Four, with the longest list of reasons that reasonable doubt exists. It shouldn’t even be up for debate. It’s 39 years later and here we still are.
This case will NEVER sit right for me.
Thank you so much Emma for all the hard work you’ve put into these three videos. No wonder you said “I’ve been trying to avoid this case!” at the very beginning of Ep1.
Never stop doing what you’re doing 👏🏻🫶
There's no doubt the police made a mess immediately deeming murder/suicide.
@@lesley9989 Big time. I’m not sure how well Carol Ann Lee’s book stands up, I’ve seen her as an expert on so many programmes, one week ABBA, another week something else. It’s a good book though, and the series was ok.
@@tdurb0 I thought the series was a bit rubbish to be honest.
@@lesley9989 Yeah, “OK” was me being polite I think.
Thank you for covering this case in such detail. I have since been doing my own research on the new evidence uncovered which was talked about on this video and what an eye opener it's all been. At the time of this case I was about 12 but very much into crime back then and had Jeremy down as the murderer. Jeremy should be freed and cleared of this crime he is innocent I have no doubt. What a miscarriage of Justice they needed someone to frame and he'll do which is how it feels xx
I really enjoyed this episode, so sad that for years he has been made out to be something he isn't. Scary world we live in 😢
Lost Faith in everything and everyone who have any position of power in these easily Corrupted, incompetent and often blackmailed and dishonest Authorities. Sad but COVID has opened so many minds and always trust your eyes 👀❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️
Emma Kenny you should have a look in to Luke Mitchell case some of the same sort of facts in his case. If you have time you should watch Murder in a small town about his case..
💯 great suggestion, I’d love to hear Emma’s take on the Luke Mitchell/ Jodie Jones case.
I was firmly in the ‘guilty’ camp for years and while I’m not saying I think he’s 100% innocent (I’m still on the fence a bit) I do think there is enough reasonable doubt for his conviction to be unsafe.
Definitely need to cover Luke Mitchell. It's clear as day that that poor boy is innocent.
I’ve always said he is 100% innocent, it’s the family and police that are guilty, be glad when it goes back for a retrial xxx
People should not throw around terms like "psychopath" & "narcissist" routinely when they don't actually understand the meaning.
No they shouldn't but then again Emma Kenny is a psychologist so.....
The Police were originally reluctant to peruse the case,it was only dogged determination by the family and one of the detectives.
My god, a training exercise at a crime scene???? and the fact they shot her for the second time on accident? I'm so shocked! Why is this man still in prison? Even if he did do it (which I doubt) there is reasonable doubts and a huge miscarriage of justice!
Wow... The police really screwed up this case and don't want to admit it... 77 people tromped through the crime scene What the actual F**k...❤️💚💜🇨🇦
wasnt the main evidence against him the silencer found days later by relatives who had most to gain by his conviction
@@Pmrace1960 Bamber
The police definitely screwed the investigation up. They destroyed evidence and tramped in the crime scene. That happened, whether he's guilty or not
@@Pmrace1960I think he's guilty, but you're correct in relation to the silencer. Julie Mugford gave evidence of his saying he had spoken about killing his family. Seems odd they we're all together that night in one house and Bamber left a riffle out. He also started asking about the insurance quickly
@@lesley9989 i edge towards guilty but not sure as i was
Wow what a miss carriage of justice if he is innocent and he never killed his family and he has had to deal with that emotionally as grieving brother uncle and son...but yet again he may be not innocent...but i think personally i at the time belived he did kill his family and now im not sure and if there is doubt there should be a new trial..thank you emma for all the research you do while being a new mum and also on holiday when you should be taking a break you are still being someone who wants to make sure once and for all either way if he is indeed innocent or not...take care 💚💚💚
On wow Emma, thank you!!!!xx
This is shocking! Whether you believe he is guilty or not, there is definitely reasonable doubt. And I don’t understand why all of the evidence hasn’t been shared by the police.
Because the police cherry picked the evidence to ensure a conviction and cover up their incompetence
He has had appeals and CCRC and lost them all ,he is guilty and very manipulative
@@CharlieCharlie881stop trolling, your comments add no value.
Exactly. They just say his conviction has stood up to various investigations and an appeal and use this as reason to refuse to disclose very limited and specific documentation that we know they hold. Last time we just asked for photos of the silencer/s and that was it. They still refused! No one will ever get a fair appeal or review when they continue to withhold very relevant documentation and evidence.
@@CharlieCharlie881 You're not allowed to say the truth lol
If there was someone moving around inside which they may have been but if that was the case why were the final gunshots not heard by any one outside, or were they ??
I truly believe he did it !
Was fascinated and shocked with your series.
It does seem terrible police
Investigation invited.
Not one innocent man souls be in jail.
One of your best ever Emma!! Thank you!
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Thanks
Imagine loosing your whole family AND spending decade after decade in prison as an innocent man?!!? That’s utter torture! 😔
I’ve been thinking about that a little too much. I do believe in the USrhus happens way too often so many die in prison. I think about how that would feel to say, lose a child and go to prison for the “murder” when you didn’t actually do it. You not only lose your child, spouse, friend or family member then get blamed for the crime. To be sitting in prison for said crime 😭💔🫣
what makes u think he is innocent ??..
@@garymcgillno doubt about it
Have you listened to this interview ?
He is 100% framed !
@@garymcgillare you deaf? Listen to the evidence. Seriously people like you are ridiculous. You are blinkered and very ignorant
@@DianePursey-x8dno evidence that he was framed. He did it
So glad you did this Emma thank you.
Bloody Delicious Emma Kenny you spoil us!!!!! And everyone appreciate Emma is on HOLIDAY 😳😳😂😂👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️
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Well done Emma…. You’re on fire ! On this one!…. I’ve followed this case for 37 yrs….. I know every molecule of the case….it needs a detail goddess like you to sort this out… once and for all….and you look even younger…. By the way….If that’s possible…. Keep smiling… Xx
Thanks Emma x