That's a problem of today. Having everything fine tuned on grid perfectly in time saps all groove and feel to music. Robotic and stale, push and pull rhythm is so good
@@redflipper992 It's actually more than 1/4, dream theater has 27% the sales megadeth has. But prog generally eludes the mainstream. Almost nobody would dispute that Petrucci is a way better guitarist and musician than Mustaine. Musicianship isn't measured in success. Few would say Kirk Hammett is better than Alex Skolnick despite having 100 times his sales. And Ed Sheeran has more record sales than almost all these guys combined.
"If you want to play in a lower register, get a 7 string guitar" okay dave, but you're ignoring the fact that between the lowest string on a standard tuned 7 string (B) and the lowest string on a 6 string (E), there are four notes (C, C#, D, D#). That introduces SEVERAL new keys to play in! Plus, Tony Iommi from Black Sabbath was ripping in C# Standard in 1971 on the Master of Reality album... 14 years before the first Megadeth album. The whole elitism over tuning your guitar lower is something I will never understand...
Keep in mind this video is more than 10 years old, back when there was a shitton of bands that played lower tunings than D or C or even B and only relied on chugging to write their music with barely any type of lead playing. I'm a fan of silly chugging don't get me wrong I just think that that kind of writing can be a trap for most musicians. Get too comfortable with it and all your songs will be riff salads with samey sounding parts all the way. I personally write mostly in Drop C but sometimes I go back to either D or E standard tuning because I feel it keeps you grounded in your approach to songs. It's really easy to make a sick breakdown chugging on the lower strings. Now make that sound heavy in Standard. Only a few can pull that off. I also tune to drop A or even G just to go crazy with it and it works but not all the time. Back when Dave said this there was a whole epidemic of lowtuned riffs without any regard for melody or originality. That's probably his point here.
@@Nestorglass My boy Dave must not be familiar with Swedish Death Metal then. Bands like Dark Tranquility, At The Gates, and In Flames tune wayyyy low (in the neighborhood of Drop B) and are very melodic. If that is his point, he didn't articulate it very well. Low-tuned instruments are supposed to be more bassy, so a more rhythmic approach to riff writing makes sense. Those Nu-Metal bands like Korn and Slipknot are a good example of what I mean. However, he's definitely not totally wrong. I can hardly tell the difference between most deathcore bands anymore. I disagree with the idea that Low tuning = Low talent.
@@sirspongadoodle Considering I am not a songwriter, no shit I don't have any idea how to write a song lmao Not much of an insult, if that's what you were going for
I don't know the original date of that video, but I have a feeling he's talking about nu-metal. It usually had simplistic (not a judgement, just a statement of fact) riffs that were all about the groove first and guitar acrobatics second. Korn, for an example, built a genre out of chugging two-note palm-muted riffs and almost never soloing, and that's fine, but I get why Dave, who's from another time and has a different set of influences, would think it's BS.
I play both e standard and drop d. For me, drop d style tuning allows me to play with different chord voicing’s and write different riffs that wouldn’t work with the e standard power chord shape. Its just another tool to play different sounding stuff. At the end of the day if it sounds good who cares.
I use drop B or drop A to do droning bass notes under dissonent extended chords that sit way up on the neck. I can get a full power chord way down low with all kinds of 9ths and stuff up top. My favorite is basically a Dm shape with only two fingers up on the 6th and 7th fret, with the open top string being allowed to ring out, which would be a 9th, but played in the same chord as a minor third, which is up high so there's literally only a half step between the third and the open top string. If it was in D, then it would be D, F, E arpeggiated over an open D power chord at the bottom. I often play variations of it all over whilst maintaining that drone at the bottom. Playing the other chords in the key over the drop D drone, and then suddenly out of nowhere bringing that drone up to the 7th or 8th fret, which just feels like a massive release after all that tension built up from those chords being played over a drone on the tonic. You can't do that in standard tuning.
Also I wonder what Dave Mustain thinks of Tool. I mean nearly their entire discography is in drop D and dorian mode. Adam Jones isn't super technical, but that's part of the formula, which is to take a simple idea, and wring every possibility out of it. Tbh I prefer that t9 shredding.
You can still play them innstandard, tou just have to hold a piwer chords while going up and down the board, its just as easy really, literally the only thing it makes available is a lower note on the 1st fret and open 6 string
I understand where his point of view comes from just because most people with a 7 string just hit the 7th string open, but there's so much you can do with just one more string because you have extended scales, arpeggios and chords. downtuning and 7 strings aren't always the answer but you have to remember to serve the song first.
The suggested video after this was Erra - Gungrave, which was just awesome. Mostly because they tune to F# and play more of the guitar than Dave Mustaine has in one song than he has in his entire career.
If you pitch your strings down a step that doesn't negate standardized tuning being A 440. Dave is trying to sound smarter than he really is here, heh.
i get what he means. I prefer A 440 myself also. If the riff can't sound heavy in standard. it can't sound heavy at all. it's a good starting point. some things just need to be lower. but ther idea will also sound good in standard. If you droptune. don't do just to sound more heavy. do because the song prefers it.
@@thomasguscott5796 That would just be like a very mild chorus effect if you play with anyone in 440hz tuning. Besides you likely don't tune accurately enough to hit 439 exactly, never mind .99. That giving the tuners a nasty look and that should do it. Mild temperature changes and all that would be bigger than a 0.01 difference in frequency. Probably can't even apply force consistently enough to the strings to be accurate to 0.01 hz. Try tuning to 439, most tuners can do that. Now imagine 1/100 of that.
D standard isn’t a drop tuning tho A drop tuning is some thing like DADGBE CGCFAD BF#BEG#C# Notice how the first string is always tuned to the same note as the d string Standard tuning isn’t what u think it is E standard is what your thinking of but there’s more then one standard tuning Standard tunings are basically whenever the low e string is tuned to the same note as the high e string For example: EADGBE DGCFAD CF#BEG#C# To summarize this, a drop tuning is when the low e string is tuned to the same note as the d string and standard tunings are when the low e string is tuned to the same note as the high e string
@@Marthimbandhe said it's meant to be tuned to 440 and if you want to tune to any lower registry to get a 7 string. The way he phrased it translates to "if you're anything lower than standard tuning, get a 7 string."
His point is people in the early days of low tuning metal were playing low AND only the 3 lower strings (A1 to E3, often not more), whereas "traditionnal" 6 string metal was using like E2 to E5 (without the solos). So that's only half the instrument's range that was used. His words sound silly and conservative nowadays because we think of drop tuning and 7 strings (or 8) as bands like Animals as Leaders etc. who play the entire range. It was not the case in the 90's, it's true this new sound was cool but the bands were pretty poor on the instrument level side.
Most people here got offended by what Dave said because they didn't understand what he meant. Yeah, Iommi tunned his guitar to C#, but he played using his entire fretboard.
I semi agree with him. I have nothing against drop tunings or down tuning as such, you can get some very interesting sounds by doing it. For me it's people that detune to be 'heavy', that is a cop out.
well, Dave, here's the thing, nobody uses the last 6 frets of the bottom 3 strings. on top of that, not everybody wants to hear E all the time. Some people want to hear D or C or C#, either way you will still have the E there if you want it, only now you have lower notes as well. whole i agree 440 is awesome, nobody said you couldn't tune down your bass strings and leave your leads alone. no need to buy an expensive 7 string just so you can hear a C5 power chord
@@rafahellorsato He didn’t specify which D, C, or C#. So, yes, you can play in the key of D, C, and C# while in E. Just because you’re in E, doesn’t mean you’re limited to strictly E. Now, to play second octave D, C, C# in E standard, you’ll have to pull some trickery (whammy pedal, or drop the bar to reach those notes). I’ll be honest, I was being an asshole, and knew what he meant, but it also sounded like he was being ignorant and didn’t know you could play in other keys while being tuned in certain keys
I don't have a problem with drop tuning per se, but when you tune your guitar so low and are only chugging with the lowest string to the point where one can't even discern the pitch, there's a serious problem. That's such a common thing in modern metal too. I don't get it at all.
Yeah some bands sound cool in a lower tuning but I'm with Dave. E 440 is my favorite tuning. Lower can get real fartie if your not careful. A lot of bands think lower tuning is heavier. Then you should just be an all Bass guitar band......
I am much more harsh than Dave on drop tuning. Firstly the guitar wasn't designed to do it in most circumstances. You can build a guitar to handle the tension and frequencies correctly if you tried hard enough, but should you? You'd also need to do the same thing with the bass guitar in your band, and possibly the drums. But why? It might sound decently when you play by yourself but it sounds like crap when it's in the mix. A guitar is a mid-range instrument. if you shift the entire mix down half an octave, nobody is going to like it. Indeed nobody has liked it and that's why metal is dead now.
There's no rules just tune it and play it the way you like. Variety is important otherwise everybody would sound alike and thats bad for music. Personally I prefer 432 which is a D #.
I don't nessessary agree. However he gives a very good point. I understand why bands drop tune, for that deeper loose sound. However when I play, I prefer to play in standard tuning. For me it gives it a full rich sound
I think the band Machine Head utilizes the Drop tuning and in particular the Flat tuning perfectly, because their style includes alot of pinch harmonics!
If you’re only playing in drop D I get his point, but to utilize alternate tunings has been a thing since the guitars inception, and certain pieces of music benefit greatly from it.
Dumb argument and it's always been a dumb argument. The more tunings you utilize, the more sounds and options that get opened up to you. Limiting yourself to just one standard tuning, you're literally putting yourself in a musical box. One where literally every chord progression and lick has already been done because everybody used that tuning for decades. Guitarists don't like using standard tuning anymore because it's boring and they got bored with it unless your Tim Henson or another modern day virtuoso who has completely innovated guitar playing with an entirely different approach and techniques compared to guitarists of the past who all followed the same formula with only slight deviations like Dave. Even regular drop tunings are boring now because everybody has used those for a long time now. Open tunings and other kinds of alt-tunings is really where magic can happen on a guitar and is where innovation is happening with the instrument these days. You don't get innovation and experimentation when you just stick with the same tuning all the time, that's not what music is about.
When you have drop pedals and can go from drop d to drop a or any in-between in 1 second its a no brainer. Price of a decent 7 string vs a really good drop pedal for about 100-130 ⚖️
I'm sorry really bored and no nothing about tuning a instrument..on top of bein really sober this is the outcome....sillyness I hope nobody is offended and if so owell 🤣 your awesome tho
Well Dave speaking for myself, I like drop tuning but I prefer standard tuning but in D. As far as the higher end of the guitar, well unfortunately some of us just plain suck lol
Fair enough, however, even classical guitarists downtuned. E.g. Francisco Tarrega would tune the low E down to D for some pieces. This would give the guitar a fatter bass voice. In reality, it just gives the guitar a different texture and feel, much like Hendrix's E-Flat tuning.
@@mannyfragoza9652 Classical guitarists would most often only tune the low E down to a D and leave the rest of the guitar tuned the same way. So it's not technically "downtuning", but maybe something like partial downtuning.
He's not saying down tuning is necessarily the worst thing you can do to a guitar, he's saying doing that with the intent of only playing the low strings (djent, metalcore) is a shame and a waste. I don't necessarily agree but 🤷
Black Sabbath was down tuned before anybody was even tuned and you know damn well Dave loved Black Sabbath. But I get what he’s saying, are people going to listen to your music, regardless of your tuning.
I dont think you guys can differentiate between having an opinion and gatekeeping. Not once does dave explicitly say “do not play like this.” he’s just says his preference and thought process.
This isn’t “drop tuning” it’s just tuning down. Not to be mistaken with drop configuration like drop D. He’s basically saying it’s best not to tune down a 6 string guitar way down past 7 string tunings. Get a 7 string
Guys, play the guitar however the fuck you want as long as it sounds good. And if it doesn’t sound good then who tf cares. Keep grinding until it does. Ez
Amplifiers were designed to produce clean tones at high volumes, and through misuse of equipment we developed distortion, so someone in their 60s when Mr mustaine was starting out would probably criticise metal in the same way, times change and tastes evolve, gatekeeping will always make you look stupid
@@jongbong1912 not era it’s more so about the genre cause there’s stills riff like modern thrash, death metal, black metal ect But real metal genres aRe genres such as Heavy metal, Thrash metal, Technical thrash metal, Power thrash, progressive thrash, speed metal, power metal, groove metal (depending on band), Death metal, progressive death metal, technical death metal, brutal death metal, slamming brutal death metal, Grindcore, melodic death metal, blackened death doom, symphonic death metal, Blackened death metal, black metal, Dsbm, bestial black metal (war metal) melodic black metal, symphonic black metal, melancholic black metal, doom metal, blackened doom metal, raw black metal, autonomous black metal, ambient black metal, atmospheric black metal, frognoise, gorenoise, symphonic metal, progressive metal, ect I’d name more but there’s too many Edit: All though u seem pretty chill Me personally my fav genre is black metal
@@Marthimband I feel like your list kind of proves the point though, there's plenty of great metal using baritone register etc, doesn't mean it's not real metal, Dave mustaine just thinks what he does is the best and anything else isn't worthy
@@jongbong1912 it does use the baritone register but a lot of the ones that do tend use tunings like g standard, a standard, or b standard and never use drop tunings And they keep their traditional side of playing such as less breakdowns, more solos, galloping riffs, ect
There are no rules in music. Other than be on time.
It’s what separates the hacks from the pros.
That's also optional...
That's a problem of today. Having everything fine tuned on grid perfectly in time saps all groove and feel to music. Robotic and stale, push and pull rhythm is so good
*Mathrock noises*
@@gabe2968yeah I’d much rather my music be off time and not work well together at all
"Unless you're hitting the 24th fret on a high E string there's literally no point in playing the guitar" - Dave Mustbefunatparties
this type of comment is exactly why dave mustaine is where he is at and exactly why you are where your at..
He was both fun and a mean drunk at parties, dont make him serve you a gay beer
Straw man argument. Totally not what he said.
I'm not surprised u think that you're more fun than Dave Mustaine at parties. I can tell you've never been invited to one.
@@sirspongadoodle zip up his pants when you're finished
John Petrucci has multiple songs everywhere from E to drop A# to 7 string and everything in between. I don't think he's forgetting about lead playing.
Theres a good reason he made the wise choice of switching to 7 and never going back and you can be sure he had baritone 6 strings to tune that low
and has sold 1/20th of the records that mustaine has.
@@redflipper992 It's actually more than 1/4, dream theater has 27% the sales megadeth has. But prog generally eludes the mainstream. Almost nobody would dispute that Petrucci is a way better guitarist and musician than Mustaine. Musicianship isn't measured in success. Few would say Kirk Hammett is better than Alex Skolnick despite having 100 times his sales. And Ed Sheeran has more record sales than almost all these guys combined.
@@wob6776 your mother has slept with more trannies than all these guys combined.
he said new guitar players, how does john petrucci fall into that category
Dude's last two albums, and their whole live performances are all in D Standard now
i guess he had a change of heart / changed his tune
drop tuning is different than tuning down
@@sfburnt They still make power chords shapes that you would with standard tuning than with drop tuning.
@@straw8165 i aint saying i agree with him im just saying its different
I think he was saying more so leaning on drop tuning and not learning to play guitar first
"If you want to play in a lower register, get a 7 string guitar" okay dave, but you're ignoring the fact that between the lowest string on a standard tuned 7 string (B) and the lowest string on a 6 string (E), there are four notes (C, C#, D, D#). That introduces SEVERAL new keys to play in! Plus, Tony Iommi from Black Sabbath was ripping in C# Standard in 1971 on the Master of Reality album... 14 years before the first Megadeth album. The whole elitism over tuning your guitar lower is something I will never understand...
Keep in mind this video is more than 10 years old, back when there was a shitton of bands that played lower tunings than D or C or even B and only relied on chugging to write their music with barely any type of lead playing. I'm a fan of silly chugging don't get me wrong I just think that that kind of writing can be a trap for most musicians. Get too comfortable with it and all your songs will be riff salads with samey sounding parts all the way. I personally write mostly in Drop C but sometimes I go back to either D or E standard tuning because I feel it keeps you grounded in your approach to songs. It's really easy to make a sick breakdown chugging on the lower strings. Now make that sound heavy in Standard. Only a few can pull that off. I also tune to drop A or even G just to go crazy with it and it works but not all the time. Back when Dave said this there was a whole epidemic of lowtuned riffs without any regard for melody or originality. That's probably his point here.
@@Nestorglass My boy Dave must not be familiar with Swedish Death Metal then. Bands like Dark Tranquility, At The Gates, and In Flames tune wayyyy low (in the neighborhood of Drop B) and are very melodic. If that is his point, he didn't articulate it very well. Low-tuned instruments are supposed to be more bassy, so a more rhythmic approach to riff writing makes sense. Those Nu-Metal bands like Korn and Slipknot are a good example of what I mean. However, he's definitely not totally wrong. I can hardly tell the difference between most deathcore bands anymore. I disagree with the idea that Low tuning = Low talent.
@@immonkey2074 its very evident you have no idea how to write a song and rely on low chugging to try and fix shitty song writing..
@@sirspongadoodle Considering I am not a songwriter, no shit I don't have any idea how to write a song lmao Not much of an insult, if that's what you were going for
@@immonkey2074 it wasnt meant as an insult but rather to tell you to not talk about what you dont know anything about.. please fuck off
I don't know the original date of that video, but I have a feeling he's talking about nu-metal. It usually had simplistic (not a judgement, just a statement of fact) riffs that were all about the groove first and guitar acrobatics second. Korn, for an example, built a genre out of chugging two-note palm-muted riffs and almost never soloing, and that's fine, but I get why Dave, who's from another time and has a different set of influences, would think it's BS.
very insightful t/y
Korn always seem to play 3 string power chords and did more experimental stuff on the upper frets than most thrash metal bands ever did.
@@donnienarco144your sooo right!
I play both e standard and drop d. For me, drop d style tuning allows me to play with different chord voicing’s and write different riffs that wouldn’t work with the e standard power chord shape. Its just another tool to play different sounding stuff. At the end of the day if it sounds good who cares.
I use drop B or drop A to do droning bass notes under dissonent extended chords that sit way up on the neck. I can get a full power chord way down low with all kinds of 9ths and stuff up top. My favorite is basically a Dm shape with only two fingers up on the 6th and 7th fret, with the open top string being allowed to ring out, which would be a 9th, but played in the same chord as a minor third, which is up high so there's literally only a half step between the third and the open top string. If it was in D, then it would be D, F, E arpeggiated over an open D power chord at the bottom. I often play variations of it all over whilst maintaining that drone at the bottom. Playing the other chords in the key over the drop D drone, and then suddenly out of nowhere bringing that drone up to the 7th or 8th fret, which just feels like a massive release after all that tension built up from those chords being played over a drone on the tonic. You can't do that in standard tuning.
@@Patrick-857 idk what the hell you said but right on
@Robby Cricket TLDR is that alternate tunings expand possibilities. Dave is being Dave. We can aways rely on him ro say things like that.
Also I wonder what Dave Mustain thinks of Tool. I mean nearly their entire discography is in drop D and dorian mode. Adam Jones isn't super technical, but that's part of the formula, which is to take a simple idea, and wring every possibility out of it. Tbh I prefer that t9 shredding.
You can still play them innstandard, tou just have to hold a piwer chords while going up and down the board, its just as easy really, literally the only thing it makes available is a lower note on the 1st fret and open 6 string
I understand what he’s saying but this comment did not age well.
"A440" Dave says as if his first two albums aren't A432.
I understand where his point of view comes from just because most people with a 7 string just hit the 7th string open, but there's so much you can do with just one more string because you have extended scales, arpeggios and chords. downtuning and 7 strings aren't always the answer but you have to remember to serve the song first.
The suggested video after this was Erra - Gungrave, which was just awesome. Mostly because they tune to F# and play more of the guitar than Dave Mustaine has in one song than he has in his entire career.
Yes, and ERRA uses 7 strings just like Dave said people should do...
When i was your age we played guitar uphill both ways in 10 feet of snow
im 61 and i played with my 2 front teeth going up hill in 10 feet of snow
@@mannyfragoza9652 I hope you've got good dental benefits now.
If you pitch your strings down a step that doesn't negate standardized tuning being A 440. Dave is trying to sound smarter than he really is here, heh.
But what if you tune that A to its natural and original 432?
i get what he means. I prefer A 440 myself also. If the riff can't sound heavy in standard. it can't sound heavy at all. it's a good starting point. some things just need to be lower. but ther idea will also sound good in standard. If you droptune. don't do just to sound more heavy. do because the song prefers it.
Some things do need to be lower, thats why theres a bass player lol
@@mattball420 True.
@@thomasguscott5796 That would just be like a very mild chorus effect if you play with anyone in 440hz tuning. Besides you likely don't tune accurately enough to hit 439 exactly, never mind .99. That giving the tuners a nasty look and that should do it. Mild temperature changes and all that would be bigger than a 0.01 difference in frequency. Probably can't even apply force consistently enough to the strings to be accurate to 0.01 hz. Try tuning to 439, most tuners can do that. Now imagine 1/100 of that.
And now Megadeth tunes in D standard 😂
D standard isn’t a drop tuning tho
A drop tuning is some thing like
DADGBE
CGCFAD
BF#BEG#C#
Notice how the first string is always tuned to the same note as the d string
Standard tuning isn’t what u think it is
E standard is what your thinking of but there’s more then one standard tuning
Standard tunings are basically whenever the low e string is tuned to the same note as the high e string
For example: EADGBE
DGCFAD
CF#BEG#C#
To summarize this, a drop tuning is when the low e string is tuned to the same note as the d string and standard tunings are when the low e string is tuned to the same note as the high e string
That’s only one step down from E standard. Not very low.
@@Marthimbandhe said it's meant to be tuned to 440 and if you want to tune to any lower registry to get a 7 string.
The way he phrased it translates to "if you're anything lower than standard tuning, get a 7 string."
Its because DM cannot sing that high like he could back in the day. Its still standard tuning, transposed one step down.
Unfortunately Dave's voice has been pretty shot since like the mid-2010s. Even in D standard he's still struggling with a lot of his old songs live.
Black Sabbath was using C# when Dave was still in elementary school.
Yes, at the time he didnt get it. After throat cancer and a willingness to keep playong live, he now understands. Gotta do what ya gotta do.
Nothing compares to classic metal in standard tuning.
King Diamond.
Tony Iommi has plenty of good old school metal in C# tuning.
His point is people in the early days of low tuning metal were playing low AND only the 3 lower strings (A1 to E3, often not more), whereas "traditionnal" 6 string metal was using like E2 to E5 (without the solos). So that's only half the instrument's range that was used.
His words sound silly and conservative nowadays because we think of drop tuning and 7 strings (or 8) as bands like Animals as Leaders etc. who play the entire range. It was not the case in the 90's, it's true this new sound was cool but the bands were pretty poor on the instrument level side.
i totally agree with you.. good comment
starts playing the sick the dying and the dead, oh wait. . .
Meshuggah cries.
I almost agree, except that I prefer A @ 432 instead of 440.
most of these comments didn't understand what he said
Mustaine: these are my principles that will change tomorrow. Gotta love the guy.
Most people here got offended by what Dave said because they didn't understand what he meant. Yeah, Iommi tunned his guitar to C#, but he played using his entire fretboard.
I semi agree with him. I have nothing against drop tunings or down tuning as such, you can get some very interesting sounds by doing it. For me it's people that detune to be 'heavy', that is a cop out.
He specifically talking about the metalcore caca that people listen to where they just do open string djent riffs and everything sounds similar.
well, Dave, here's the thing, nobody uses the last 6 frets of the bottom 3 strings. on top of that, not everybody wants to hear E all the time. Some people want to hear D or C or C#, either way you will still have the E there if you want it, only now you have lower notes as well.
whole i agree 440 is awesome, nobody said you couldn't tune down your bass strings and leave your leads alone. no need to buy an expensive 7 string just so you can hear a C5 power chord
You know who uses the last 6 frets of the bottom three strings? Dave. You can also play D, C, and C# in standard tuning
@@itsdoomedjack9774 How? How do you play a D2, a C#2 and a C2 in standard?
@@rafahellorsato He didn’t specify which D, C, or C#. So, yes, you can play in the key of D, C, and C# while in E. Just because you’re in E, doesn’t mean you’re limited to strictly E. Now, to play second octave D, C, C# in E standard, you’ll have to pull some trickery (whammy pedal, or drop the bar to reach those notes). I’ll be honest, I was being an asshole, and knew what he meant, but it also sounded like he was being ignorant and didn’t know you could play in other keys while being tuned in certain keys
@@rafahellorsato I also use the last 6 frets of the bottom 3 strings
I'd love to hear his views on this today, including how he feels about Drop Vocals?
im not sure what he does calling it vocals. He kind of growls and grunts all at once.
Not a single person taking up for drop tuning mentions Dimebag. I like both Megadeth and Pantera.
"Listens a Periphery album then comes back and apologizes"
I havent touched standard tunning in over 2 decades. 😂🍻
I don't have a problem with drop tuning per se, but when you tune your guitar so low and are only chugging with the lowest string to the point where one can't even discern the pitch, there's a serious problem. That's such a common thing in modern metal too. I don't get it at all.
remember shit is the new king in an upside world
Yeah some bands sound cool in a lower tuning but I'm with Dave. E 440 is my favorite tuning. Lower can get real fartie if your not careful.
A lot of bands think lower tuning is heavier. Then you should just be an all Bass guitar band......
He was referencing nu metal.
Wouldn’t refusing to use any other tuning besides A-440 be more fitting for the “That’s like playing guitar with only one club.” Line?
based dave shitting on nu metal
I am much more harsh than Dave on drop tuning. Firstly the guitar wasn't designed to do it in most circumstances. You can build a guitar to handle the tension and frequencies correctly if you tried hard enough, but should you? You'd also need to do the same thing with the bass guitar in your band, and possibly the drums. But why? It might sound decently when you play by yourself but it sounds like crap when it's in the mix. A guitar is a mid-range instrument. if you shift the entire mix down half an octave, nobody is going to like it. Indeed nobody has liked it and that's why metal is dead now.
Finally someone has said it.
There's no rules just tune it and play it the way you like. Variety is important otherwise everybody would sound alike and thats bad for music. Personally I prefer 432 which is a D #.
Totally agree with him 👌
I don't nessessary agree. However he gives a very good point. I understand why bands drop tune, for that deeper loose sound.
However when I play, I prefer to play in standard tuning. For me it gives it a full rich sound
d standard and drop c are life
For me the problem is not the tuning, it's the notes in between...
Are they fucking with you ?
And then several years later, djent music was invented to spite Dave
I think the band Machine Head utilizes the Drop tuning and in particular the Flat tuning perfectly, because their style includes alot of pinch harmonics!
They use natural harmonics not pinch.
@@SacredKOfficial yes, thanks for correction
If you’re only playing in drop D I get his point, but to utilize alternate tunings has been a thing since the guitars inception, and certain pieces of music benefit greatly from it.
He's changed his tune on this topic in his recent albums
I was expecting him to say he hates drop d tuning because he invented it and then everyone stole it.
lol
Dumb argument and it's always been a dumb argument. The more tunings you utilize, the more sounds and options that get opened up to you. Limiting yourself to just one standard tuning, you're literally putting yourself in a musical box. One where literally every chord progression and lick has already been done because everybody used that tuning for decades. Guitarists don't like using standard tuning anymore because it's boring and they got bored with it unless your Tim Henson or another modern day virtuoso who has completely innovated guitar playing with an entirely different approach and techniques compared to guitarists of the past who all followed the same formula with only slight deviations like Dave. Even regular drop tunings are boring now because everybody has used those for a long time now.
Open tunings and other kinds of alt-tunings is really where magic can happen on a guitar and is where innovation is happening with the instrument these days. You don't get innovation and experimentation when you just stick with the same tuning all the time, that's not what music is about.
im standard tuning only but that limits me which is never a good thing
When you have drop pedals and can go from drop d to drop a or any in-between in 1 second its a no brainer.
Price of a decent 7 string vs a really good drop pedal for about 100-130 ⚖️
drop pedal, don't be lame
Is this when u drop a turd in the toilet and u tune it to that bedop sound????
yes thats called Drop Turd
I'm sorry really bored and no nothing about tuning a instrument..on top of bein really sober this is the outcome....sillyness I hope nobody is offended and if so owell 🤣 your awesome tho
@@randyfrost1160 nothing to be sorry about its in fun man
Well Dave speaking for myself, I like drop tuning but I prefer standard tuning but in D. As far as the higher end of the guitar, well unfortunately some of us just plain suck lol
Fair enough, however, even classical guitarists downtuned. E.g. Francisco Tarrega would tune the low E down to D for some pieces. This would give the guitar a fatter bass voice. In reality, it just gives the guitar a different texture and feel, much like Hendrix's E-Flat tuning.
great point im not sure anyone has ever brought up the classical point so far
@@mannyfragoza9652 Classical guitarists would most often only tune the low E down to a D and leave the rest of the guitar tuned the same way. So it's not technically "downtuning", but maybe something like partial downtuning.
tune however you like and play how eever you like if we listened to music snobs metal punk ect wouldn't exist
Imagine caring how other musicians play their instruments
unfortunatly this is the on going soap opra of a lot of goofy guitarists
That’s a lot of talk for someone who writes most of his riffs in whatever key the 6th string is tuned to.
A hit is a hit.
Gotta love Dave..for his Honesty!!..
Legend
Finally someone like me who is praising him instead of criticizing him in the comments
He's not saying down tuning is necessarily the worst thing you can do to a guitar, he's saying doing that with the intent of only playing the low strings (djent, metalcore) is a shame and a waste. I don't necessarily agree but 🤷
I’d go drop D (90’s rock) or standard D (Motley Crüe,Death) tuning,that’s enough DROP for me.
He does have a point honestly. But I love playing in drop c, and drop a.
Please listen to Blackwater Park and think again Dave.
## Tuuning to drop C, something I don't understand ##
fools like me, who drop to C
Black Sabbath was down tuned before anybody was even tuned and you know damn well Dave loved Black Sabbath. But I get what he’s saying, are people going to listen to your music, regardless of your tuning.
Piano players better be using every octave.
and he have no problem to play with Static-X, Dave Dave....
I've played for 30+ years and my most commonly used tunings are: Open G = 50%, Standard = 30%, D Standard = 10%, Misc. others = 10%.
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Pretty sure Iommi was playing C# Standard in the mid 70s.
He plays in D now.
I dont think you guys can differentiate between having an opinion and gatekeeping. Not once does dave explicitly say “do not play like this.” he’s just says his preference and thought process.
Dystopia enters the chat
And Megadeth tune to D now...
drop d makes me smell axe spray
hmmm
Is this the guy that was kicked out of Metallica?
This isn’t “drop tuning” it’s just tuning down. Not to be mistaken with drop configuration like drop D. He’s basically saying it’s best not to tune down a 6 string guitar way down past 7 string tunings. Get a 7 string
Van Halen - Unchained is Drop D . . . mic drop.
I don't know Dave... The Faceless sound fucking incredible and I couldn't imagine them in E standard lol
Then you did it wrong i think.
they have a song in e standard
@@amreldessouky1975 I don’t know any song by the faceless in Standard 6 string. It’s been drop C 6 string or standard 7 string
@@EricJaegerMusicthe song i am
@@amreldessouky1975 that’s incredible, I had no idea that was 6 string
tell that to Synyster Gates gates, going from the low D to 24th fret lmao
I mean...he's not wrong.
I have to wonder if Dave just worded what he was saying wrong.
Tony Iommi uses low tunings aswell. I bet Dave ment music like Djent stuff.
Guys, play the guitar however the fuck you want as long as it sounds good. And if it doesn’t sound good then who tf cares. Keep grinding until it does. Ez
I love drop c. I feel like I can growl fine in that key.
It’s so fuckin heavy. Fuck, some of what mustaine says is wack as fuck.
Some? I'd argue most.
He plays in D standard now... so.....
weird considering he down tuned for most of youthanasia
I find 7 string guitars way harder to play, so I prefer downtuned 6 string (C standard).
i tried playing one cant do it im too immersed in old school stuff
Doesn't Megadeth play in D standard live now?
i heard now they do because of Daves voice
LambOfGod
Perhaps because it sounds different, and some of us prefer that sound. Its not rocket science.
Ironic he says that now as he’s tuned a whole step down now. Usually makes things sound heavier but it really doesn’t suit their sound
Standard E tunning. That is the way I have always tunned. I read about Keith Richard's tuning. That is some silly shit there.
That aged well.
Well he has to, it’s for his voice
@@DigitalAdamm Yeah no, I don't mind at all. Dystopia is one of my favorite songs.
They don’t drop tune though (meaning drop D or drop C etc) they still play standard tuning, just in a lower register (D standard).
@@kushmush8714 ah ok, I didn't know that. I thought it still counts.
Said the guy who plays in 440 D standard now...
With aaaaaaaaaall due mad fucking respect. Red's totally wrong here.
Amplifiers were designed to produce clean tones at high volumes, and through misuse of equipment we developed distortion, so someone in their 60s when Mr mustaine was starting out would probably criticise metal in the same way, times change and tastes evolve, gatekeeping will always make you look stupid
Stfu we gatekeep to save real metal
@@Marthimband which era of metal is real then?
@@jongbong1912 not era it’s more so about the genre cause there’s stills riff like modern thrash, death metal, black metal ect
But real metal genres aRe genres such as
Heavy metal, Thrash metal, Technical thrash metal, Power thrash, progressive thrash, speed metal, power metal, groove metal (depending on band), Death metal, progressive death metal, technical death metal, brutal death metal, slamming brutal death metal, Grindcore, melodic death metal, blackened death doom, symphonic death metal,
Blackened death metal, black metal, Dsbm, bestial black metal (war metal) melodic black metal, symphonic black metal, melancholic black metal, doom metal, blackened doom metal, raw black metal, autonomous black metal, ambient black metal, atmospheric black metal, frognoise, gorenoise, symphonic metal, progressive metal, ect
I’d name more but there’s too many
Edit: All though u seem pretty chill
Me personally my fav genre is black metal
@@Marthimband I feel like your list kind of proves the point though, there's plenty of great metal using baritone register etc, doesn't mean it's not real metal, Dave mustaine just thinks what he does is the best and anything else isn't worthy
@@jongbong1912 it does use the baritone register but a lot of the ones that do tend use tunings like g standard, a standard, or b standard and never use drop tunings
And they keep their traditional side of playing such as less breakdowns, more solos, galloping riffs, ect
Why limit yourself to one tuning?
You can play golf with one club
Mini golf is way more fun and accessible