Abigail Thorn on coming out as trans, philosophy, YouTube stardom and optimism
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- Опубліковано 6 жов 2024
- Abigail Thorn - aka Philosophy Tube - is a UA-cam superstar, actor and much else. We talk about coming out as trans, about the burning skip of transphobia raging in Britain, about the struggle for LGBTQ rights - as well as making philosophy accessible, becoming a UA-cam star, her acting career, and her hopes for the future.
One of the loveliest people I have interviewed!
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Nothing to see here just 2 men talking rubbish
Hi,
I just want to see some working class members of society on this show. It’s a class of society that is consistently missing from the dialogue .
I’m talking about hearing from the wide ranging members of the working class ( races , sexualities, genders etc. ) and hearing what their experiences are on the ground level .
Thanks so much for what you wrote , I absolutely agree.
I was bought up middle class but as an adult I’ve been working class. I have spoken to many working class people who have a depth of knowledge on philosophy, politics and society. But who also have a distinct real love for other people and are uniquely savvy about life at a grassroots level .
Yet they remain unheard , unseen and are seemingly unwanted from many forms of media, political debate , government and the public dialogue.
Please , can you consider having some real working class members of society on your show Owen??
This show is such a great outlier in many ways from the mainstream media , but like most other media platforms the working class are absent.
I believe that socialism is for the benefit of all people’s , and since much of it’s roots are from the working class I feel they should be represented on podcasts such as yours .
Lol. Is there any right wing media? Disney owns FOX now so what is even left?
Abigail and Contrpoints have played an important role in educating the world about trans identity.
You mean showing us that this ideology is propagated by privilege white males
Yep, certainly put me on a journey of insight.
@@Love25648 what ideology? Your comment is incredibly vague
@@Love25648 sure, if you haven't heard of any poc trans figures
@@Dth091 yes, they do. Thanks for the casual observation.
Abi gave me the strength to come out to my dad. Now I don't have to worry about him finding out through college, so I can start introducing myself as Arthur every day to every person I meet.
All the best Arthur
@@alexandramunoz4469 Thank you! Have a nice day
You're valid Arthur
Solidarity Arthur and best wishes
Arthur is such a great name
Abi is lucky to have such loyal friends. As a public figure, the fact that everyone respected her privacy is really amazing
I think it's the least you can expect from your friends, but maybe i'm wrong
@@izawalendowicz8105 I totally agree, but sadly not everyone has that. especially when they're famous
I think she's cultivated a respectful, kind and considerate audience
she's hardly famous, no-one I know in real life knows who she is
Fame is relative I guess so if you're not a big YT watcher you're not going to know YTubers.
Me: i'm not a lesbian, i am attracted to philosophy tube!
Abi: comes out
Me: uh oh
So, you’re not a lesbian.
@@leafleafleaf9272 nice b8
Friendly reminder: Bi is a thing.
@@shaquevara ye i know, but i'm attracted to all women and like 3 guys in the world soo... yeah
@@Rosa-xg8tb I'm only attracted to one woman and I find that to be gay enough :p
I love Abigail saying she has a UA-cam channel like we wouldn’t know xD
It’s like Lady Gaga saying “did you know I’m into music?”
I've never heard of her.
@@hovefactually7505 ok mate, check out philosophy tube
@@hovefactually7505 then you’re very welcome, pal. Abigail’s channel is one of the best things that came out of the interwebs
Well. I, for one, did not know (maybe because I am not too much into UA-cam culture and not British?)
And I've been binge watching it now
@@hovefactually7505 Lady gaga?
abi: says literally anything from eloquently advocating for trans rights to making a joke about bees disappearing
me: 🥰😍🥰😍🥰😍
So glad you mentioned SOPHIE.
You literally
saved that dayfor me
@@roman-fo2sk yea she is dead
I'm afraid I don't know who this Sophie is either.
Gosh. How have I lived so far without knowing PhilosophyTube? Binge watching it now.
I used to watch it and love it, I think it’s been a year and this took me by surprise! :)
you're in for a treat
@@roman-fo2sk Which actual philosopher?
I really love how Abi is actually moving the conversation about trans rights in the UK forwards, we've been distracted into defending ourselves when we should be asking for better healthcare, marriage, and adoption rights.
Trans should not be able to adopt because they have no grasp on reality.
The story about the woman who didn't know what being trans was and didn't know Abigail was trans, was so wholesome and cute!
Let's ignore the hateful response above mine because it's meaningless nonsense that can be completely shut down by anyone with half a brain and instead focus on how I BURST INTO HAPPY TEARS during that part of the video.
Congrats Abi, we're all thrilled for you :)
So glad you can finally, comfortably, beautifully be the you that you were always meant to be
@@aliteralfart3819 what did they say?
@@vogelvogeltje it was a year ago lmao I don't remember
BUT AGAIN, WHO CARES WEEEEEEE CONGRATS ABIGAIL
@@aliteralfart3819 Is he trans? He pretends now as a she called ''Abigail'' right?
Strange.
I hope this doesn't sound weird, but Abigail's voice is so nice to listen to.
I feel the same way
She always did.
it’s so elegant lol
Same...
Omg, same! I'm so glad it's not just me. I think it's because she sounds so happy to be herself. That's what makes it so lovely.
"You're going to become a man?" I love those sorts of innocent, actually-trying-to-understand questions. And then she was so happy for Abigail! Cuuuute
It's really sweet because it's like the wholesome version of when confused transphobes tell trans women "you'll never be a man!" or trans men "you'll never be a woman!" :D (though admittedly I do find those confused transphobic remarks hilarious too xD)
Simple questions; how is "gender identity" any different from what sexist stereotypes a person feels drawn to? And, if sex and gender are separate, then why should "transitioning gender" allow MALES into FEMALE-ONLY spaces, they never changed, nor can they change, their sex. How is removing the rights of females to single-sex spaces progressive? How is centering male feelings over female rights "feminist"?
Because they're not male@@ambientjohnny
@@vixo551 Yes they are, humans cannot change sex. Did you forget about the mantra "sex and gender are separate" already? Why do you think they would be saying they are "trans" in the first place, if they weren't the opposite sex to begin with??? If they were actually female, there wouldn't be an issue with females in female-only spaces would there!!!
My mum makes a real effort to empathise with the trans community but Abby is the first person she’s already known, trusted, understood, cared about the mental health of, listened to the opinions of and desperately wants to be okay and not suicidal and the change in her going from trying to understand to actually advocating for people in our community has been such a blessing. I couldn’t have helped her to see. She had to actually see. We love Abigail in my house!
Tell your mom she is a wonderful person.
Simple questions; how is "gender identity" any different from what sexist stereotypes a person feels drawn to? And, if sex and gender are separate, then why should "transitioning gender" allow MALES into FEMALE-ONLY spaces, they never changed, nor can they change, their sex. How is removing the rights of females to single-sex spaces progressive? How is centering male feelings over female rights "feminist"?
@@ambientjohnny why don't you visit r/asktransgender ?
@@ambientjohnny why the focus on trans women? You realise trans men can use men's toilets too? Gender identity is more than just stereotypes. You can be a trans women without being ultra feminine, just as you can be a cis woman without being particularly feminine. Same applies in reverse go trans and cis men. Gender expression and identity are different.
@@LiamMacLeanMusic Because it's about males invading single-sex spaces reserved for females and the safety/dignity/respecting female boundaries and the historical struggles females have had to go through to gain more equal footing with males. Females in male spaces pose no potential threat to males as males do in female spaces, PLUS, there have already been dozens upon dozens of incidents with "self-ID" males in single-sex spaces reserved for females. Allowing males to "identify" into female-only spaces erases female rights and protections. That's why.
You have done nothing to explain how anyone comes to the conclusion that they are "trans" based on anything else than what sexist stereotypes are associated with each sex. If it isn't about stereotypes, then why does a man feel the need to "transition" if it doesn't actually matter what he looks or feels like, what's wrong with simply being a gender non-conforming male? What precisely "makes" a male a "woman"??? How can he tell??? Provide examples of what this knowledge is based on beyond sexist stereotypes. What are these "womanly feelings" that only women can have? What is the behaviour that only women can display? There must be concrete things, which you can mention, which aren't simply sexist stereotypes, if "gender identity" is based on something other than sexist stereotypes. Funny how not one single TRA has come up with anything yet, you just say "it isn't the same" while failing to elaborate, and if you can't explain how then you simply cannot claim they are different.
Seeing the joy on Abigail's face in her Identity video made me realise how miserable I was in the closet, and helped me find the courage within myself to come out as nonbinary shortly after. Still, I knew that my reception wouldn't be as positive as hers. As a fat person, hearing her cite thin privilege as one reason why things are going so well for her makes me appreciate her even more; even if she can't understand my position fully, she acknowledges that it exists and matters. I feel seen.
Simple questions; how is "gender identity" any different from what sexist stereotypes a person feels drawn to? And, if sex and gender are separate, then why should "transitioning gender" allow MALES into FEMALE-ONLY spaces, they never changed, nor can they change, their sex. How is removing the rights of females to single-sex spaces progressive? How is centering male feelings over female rights "feminist"?
If you're not charmed by Abi's reaction to the phrase "great UA-camrs of our time", then you are dead inside.
A crossover I wasn't expecting. "A surprise to be sure, but a welcome one"
Less so than your ignorant comment - considerably which you would know if you bothered to watch the video.
Fantastic interview! I love Abi so much. (I also died laughing when she said that her trans friends were like, "Yeah. We know." Because that's exactly what happened when I came out as a lesbian. "How dare you not tell me! I could have saved years of internal gay panic!")
Abigail, Natalie (Contrapoints,) and SOPHIE are the reason my egg cracked.
I had no idea some of these people were trans.
A play written by Abigail....jaw dropped. Hype intensified.
This cis black middle aged America lesbian just found Abigail. I appreciate that all of the videos are still up. I adore her in any gender expression. And thanks for discussing the topics in such a beautifully intersectional and entertaining way.
I have been watching Philosophy Tube for over 4 years now. Thank you for this wonderfully well rounded interview. Every facet that Abi shares with us is inspirational and lovely. She really is a beautiful human.
Abi looks so much happier now! Just radiating joy
"Putting points into Charisma"
That's a lol from me.
Abi might be trans but truly we know now that she is a nerd.
Thank you so much Abi for talking about how difficult it can be to articulate your needs as a trans person to figures of authority. It took me 2.5 years to find and reach out to the right people who could help me with legally changing my name. If I didn't have the strength to push people in my government to give me answers, I wouldn't have gotten help.
Abigail's smile is unparalleled.
We have no choice but to stan Abi.
Oh we stan!
I think Abi is the first trans person I've ever heard express the pure elation of coming out as trans and the positive impact its had on her life. The right wing love to talk about how depressed all trans people are and their very high suicide rates without ever acknowledging why that is. It's the right wing that causes that distress
Not the gender dysphoria?
@@remotefaith if it was the gender dysphoria, it could be eased by transitioning, both socially and medically. it's the people who actively stand in the way of those things that do the killing, the laws and slurs are just tools. It's the person who kills, not the gun.
@@remotefaith right wing media surely doesn't help
@@remotefaith Gender dysphoria definitely sucks, but getting on hormones and having people treat you like a human being certainly help make it painful. I'm definitely a thousand times happier after getting on hormones, and I have yet to meet a single trans person who wasn't happy with HRT.
It reminds me of GOP politicians saying that the reason they supported not certifying the 2020 election results was because so many of their constituents believed that there were problems with the election. But they fail to mention that their constituents believed in the "Big Lie" exactly because the politicians had been expressing doubts about the election results It's a circular reasoning at its finest.
I love this!! Ah, Owen, as a trans person, it’s so lovely to see your support for trans people on such a huge platform. It means the world and you’re both massive legends ❤️❤️
So much hate is born out of ignorance. The discrimination and unequal treatment trans people face every day is appalling, but a huge number of people have no idea. I'd hope everyone would be horrified if they knew.
Never seen your stuff before Owen, but I really appreciated your interview style here. The way you just ask a thoughtful question and you gave Abi the space to answer fully without jumping in a lot is really great.
Hearing Abi talk about the people who she'd met was wonderful, all the light and learning and that people really are willing and curious and won't just immediately jump to defensiveness to something they don't understand
Abi is fascinating to listen to. Very eloquent. Stunning girl too
I actually cried when I watched her coming out video. Between how perfectly she explained the experience of many trans people while still keeping everything framed in a positive light, along with seeing someone I had just discovered in my own journey to finally come to terms with and come out about being trans now come out themselves publicly just a few weeks after I did, in such a powerfulway...... just so many emotions at once!!
As a cis man, what got me was the character of Olly bowing out and Abi looking absolutely stunning as she walked in. Perfect use of Blackstar as well!
@@GeoNeilUK I had some whiplash, feeling as if I was mourning during a eulogy for "the man who wasn't there". Seeing Abi walk through that door made me think so much at once - how happy and confident she looked, the fact that "she" was always there and that the person I respected wasn't at all actually leaving, and yeah weaponized David Bowie is almost not fair lol.
Simple questions; how is "gender identity" any different from what sexist stereotypes a person feels drawn to? And, if sex and gender are separate, then why should "transitioning gender" allow MALES into FEMALE-ONLY spaces, they never changed, nor can they change, their sex. How is removing the rights of females to single-sex spaces progressive? How is centering male feelings over female rights "feminist"?
Yes, yes, yes. Let's promote more people like Abi!
Y'all both are so sweet I didn't realise how much I needed this crossover 😭
Abi is such an inspiration to trans people everywhere, actually to any decent people anywhere. Looking forward to hearing more from her! ❤️😬
I appreciate your inclusion of "decent people" to the list. She's really awesome.
I fully transitioned socially last July after secretly working on my transition for a couple years and being out to some close friends / family. When she came out, seeing how happy she was was awesome. I had just recently had that happiness for myself and I love seeing others experience it. It's such an immense weight lifted from your shoulders, you can stop pretending to be something you're not, you can drop the complicated double life you've been balancing and just be the honest, real version of yourself. It's so wonderful.
Bit late to the party but you're very pretty! c: And yes I agree completely.
Simple questions; how is "gender identity" any different from what sexist stereotypes a person feels drawn to? And, if sex and gender are separate, then why should "transitioning gender" allow MALES into FEMALE-ONLY spaces, they never changed, nor can they change, their sex. How is removing the rights of females to single-sex spaces progressive? How is centering male feelings over female rights "feminist"?
"if I didn't come out, statistically speaking, I would end up dead"
as a closeted woman, this hits deep :/
I hope everything works out for you, sister 💚
LOL, Abi. I have a trans daughter and I was on to you for months.
Yeah, she was setting my 'dar off months ago :-)
Found the kickass mother.
Abi is so lovely. I'm so glad she's feeling so happy. I've discovered myself as trans days before she came out and it was so inspiring
Feel embarrassed that I hadn't come across Abi betore, now subbing and looking up her past videos (between her and ContraPoints I'm getting some great insights and entertainment about a lot of topics, including Trans rights, love and respect to you both).
oh you're going to have such a great time, enjoy Philosophy Tube!
Simple questions; how is "gender identity" any different from what sexist stereotypes a person feels drawn to? And, if sex and gender are separate, then why should "transitioning gender" allow MALES into FEMALE-ONLY spaces, they never changed, nor can they change, their sex. How is removing the rights of females to single-sex spaces progressive? How is centering male feelings over female rights "feminist"?
@ambientjohnny You've either willfully ignorant on the subject or you're acting in bad faith. Abby and others like her are better suited to explain it than I am if you're genuinely curious.
Very happy to see this crossover. I'm proud to say I've been following Abi since 2014 and she's been very formative 💗
Getting into Philosophy over the last year (in large part thanks to Abi) has been enormously beneficial to my relationship with myself and the world around me.
Would really enjoy if you could have a chat with Jim Sterling sometime, Owen.
Jim is a force of nature
I'm so happy with this crossover!!
I'm a big fan of Abi, I've learned so much from her channel over the last few years.
I thought your question about the low number of people taking philosophy A Levels as compared to the near 1 million subscribers to be an interesting disconnect. I think making complex ideas relatable, and explaining their application in a contemporary setting has a lot to do with why her work is popular.
I love Abi's answer about what gives her cause for hope, I welled up a bit at the end.
Been looking forward to this all week! Unfortunately I wasn't able to watch it straight away, then had to delay it a bit longer to watch Tysky Sour live. Well worth the wait! Abi's amazing!
I'll never forget around 10 years ago volunteering in a prison and seeing a trans woman in the men's prison and feeling horrified she was there. She had come out whilst in prison and being transferred out but it was a shock to see her stuck there and at risk. It was the same era I had recently gone vegan and found out you couldn't have vegan food in prison and it was just such a bizzare feeling that you have to advocate for your rights in prison- a place most people hope to never go- and that the majority never have to even think of in that way.
Great segment, the conversation covered a lot about trans rights in Britain but also a lot about Abby specifically which is really nice.
Hahaha, putting points into Charisma, Abi you big nerd. Big love, haven't watched philosophy tube for a while, will have to start watching your wonderful work again.
Excellent, important, and informative interview. Trans is a socialist issue. Socialist first principle: let people speak for themselves.
Trans is socialist issue. Absolutely! All true socialists should be concerned about the erasure of millions of working class women's rights just to appease a handful of deluded narcissists and fetishists.
I not really understand this person talking about equal rights. I mean, they compared trans stuff to black civil rights movement in their coming out video... hyperbole much?
@@leafleafleaf9272 you don’t think it’s useful to compare two different fights for civil and human rights by marginalised groups? That’s not hyperbolic at all.
@@leafleafleaf9272 For one thing, she wasn't even particularly comparing the black civil rights movement to trans rights - she was just using Audre Lorde's work as a jumping off point for discussion about identity theory and her own journey with gender identity.
But also, comments like these always seem to be coming from a place of "I see trans women as men playing dress up who don't actually have legitimate human rights issues they're fighting for, so I'm offended that they would dare show solidarity or speak to common points of struggle with other marginalized groups. Which is just... no.
A gift to the trans community because of her intelligence and serenity and humility. A gift for us all really .
I can listen to Abigail talk for hours, she has so many interesting things to say and her voice is magical
Abi's decision making process of "could I be happy if I never did this again" is inspiring. I think this is what I subconsciously did when I made my last big career move, but I don't think I'm ever going to make decisions the same way again.
What a great interview. I don't think I've seen an Owen Jones' video before. I like that Owen asks a question and then lets Abigail give as full an answer as she wants; without interruption. Great stuff.
I'd never heard of her to be honest but what a inspiring, brave and eloquent woman
Well, you’re in for a treat! Her channel is amazing.
Owen out there flirting but seriously who wouldnt
unashamedly
@@OwenJonesTalks Abi has a long history of awakening bi tendencies in people.
Anyone who has sight!
@@daved2352 the superior form is crushing on abby both pre and post coming out
@@bloomper I certainly do. And with Natalie Wynn (Contrapoints) both before and after she transitioned.
I've always followed Abi's philosophy tube channel, and sometimes use it as a resource for students when teaching philosophy at uni too! Top work
I've recently discovered Philosophy Tube. Abi seems so much happier and relaxed after coming out; before there was a underlying frustrated angst to her old videos that I couldn't quite place.
I'm really glad that she is now able to be her real self.
Such a nice convo. Abi looks so happy
It's one of the greatest political tragedies in current UK society, how much transphobia and trans bigotry is crossing the political divide. I'm ashamed of some left of centre friends for their abhorrent views about trans people. Solidarity with Abigail and the trans community. ✊
🔥🔥🤝
Centrists will be centrists.
Shame is a very self destructive emotion. Perhaps look for help dealing with such feelings.
Abhorrent views like what exactly? Women should keep their sports? Puberty blockers should be more investigated? I.e. long term effects. The pressure on young gay ppl with the current trans activism redefining their sexual orientations to being about “gender identity”?
@@leafleafleaf9272 have you considered the effects of forcing trans men to compete with cis women?
Nice ,Owen doing a segment with a breadtuber
Abi always speaks so honestly and eloquently about anything she puts her voice to. We love to see it.
Also, watching Owen shamelessly flirt with his guest is an intriguing angle to this series I certainly haven't noticed before!
Awww, Abi's happiness always makes me cry :')
She is so pretty, can't stop looking at her...
How dare you, by supporting this guy and the comment you just made is wrong,
1, she, how dare you, is her pronoun she?
2, pretty,this makes others feel ugly
3, can’t stop looking at her shocking absolute disgrace shocking, obsession are you!
@@skidaddlej6786 are you okay? I've rarely seen such a pile of non-sense....
Please don't be cacophobic
@@paulmumford7595 I'm sorry, I'm from russia and not very familiar with english culture... What did I say wrong?
@Svyatoslav Gorbunov Понятно, спасибо)
Really needed the warmth of that chat to get through my day, thank you so much.❤️
Just popping in to say I love Abigail's channel and she's stunningly beautiful and I'm so happy she's going to be performing The Prince!!
Thanks so much for this video! 🙏 I have just discovered Philosophy Tube which is going to keep me busy for the next few days! And I’m going to be so much cleverer at the end of it! 😁
I envy you in a way. To just now discover PhilosophyTube - you're in for a treat!
Abigail spilling that tea about women having to manage men’s emotions. Ain’t that the truth!
gender roles and expectations
Spitting facts
Hey it’s Abi from Da UA-cam Zone. I heard she’s friends Johannes Vonk.
Haha. This made me lol.
two very pretty people talking about trans rights = an aesthetically pleasing informative 43 minutes well spent!
Are you serious or blind?
*contra voice* oh we stan
hey how are you gorge?
I love Abi and it's great you gave her a platform! All the best to you!
I love how 'yer dad' gets brought up in here but doesn't get a namecheck
Hearing the story of the (well meaning yet ignorant) woman say to Abigail "So, you're transitioning into a man?" was so sweet, I audibly 'awwed'.
Really glad to hear Abigail has been interviewed by the BBC, too. It's so important we have people like her being a voice in mainstream media (to counter the likes of Rowling)
Also I'd like to suggest youtuber JammieDodger (he is a British trans man) for future interview ideas. He also made a really interesting and thoughtful response to the JK Rowling controversy. Samantha Lux (trans woman, I'm pretty sure she's from the US) made a very well researched video about trans athletes, too.
@@bigbinji6145 last time I checked, infertile women and intersex women are still women. You don't have to give back your woman card if you have a hysterectomy. Defining womanhood as identity surrounding the ability to give birth is inaccurate and often even excludes cis women
@@asparagus5428 Physical sex is a lot more complicated than a simple binary and the divide between man and woman if you're determining it by biological terms is a lot more fuzzy than you'd think.
@@asparagus5428 The belief sex is simple is because we often ignore the reality of biology, a simplification for time and ease's sake. Of course there's no third sex or gamete, but sex is by definition a bimodal distribution, not a binary. Trying to impose a strict social binary onto a bimodal spectrum is ridiculous because it excludes the divergent cases from the modes. Woman is a word we apply to one of those modes, but because there's no cut off when you're dealing with a spectrum, so it's more logical to treat it as a social class, rather than a technical biological term. Of course, most women possess a certain set of biological characteristics, but even ones you'd likely consider women don't always follow those rules. Trans people don't use the term woman as a technical biological term, we use it as a term to describe a social identity often attributed to those that have gestational reproductive organs, because that's the way people use the word woman in day to day life. When I say 'Oh, I met a lovely woman at the park today', I'm not telling you that I met a person with the potential to birth young, I'm telling you that I met a person who has a gender presentation that we would typically categorise as falling under the term woman.
@@asparagus5428 I mean if you really want me to dig up some academic articles on sex I can, but it doesn't change the fact that most people don't use woman as a technical term denoting sex, but as a social identity.
Abigail is amazing - her cadence and demeanor, and her ability to articulate in the manner that she does is so inspirational. She’s the woman I want to be.
R.I.P. Sophie :(
I’d be really happy just to have Abigail narrate my life. I could listen to her all day. Lovely interview!
I LOVE Abigail and Philosophy Tube.
Very interesting & informative discussion. Thank you both.😀
You're wonderful Abi. I'm learning so much for you. Thankyou x
What a great interview! Loved your one with Judith Butler too
I’m a new Abi fan. As an older transgender woman, I was thrilled when Abi came out. Mainly, though, I just love watching her philosophy videos. I minored in philosophy at university, so I’m familiar with a lot of what she talks about. She always gets me thinking again, while bringing back all those philosophy memories. Cheering for you, Abi, from Okinawa, Japan! Keep up the great work!
I'm getting a bit of a Kathryn Hahn vibe from Abby in this video. Its the hair and the cheekbones.
I love her and her content so much!
YES
It was abigail all along🎵
@@nextlevelgamer6936 YES! 😆😆😆
It was abigil all along.
The Halloween special on Gender, Witchcraft, and Marxism was excellent (all along)
that was so interesting and insightful! thank both of you so much for doing this!
The Private Eye is mostly great, but I really, REALLY wish they'd lay off the tacit transphobia. They seem to be trying to stay neutral, under the misapprehension that one can be neutral on an issue that consists people who want to exist on one side and people who want those people not to exist on the other.
I'd love to see Abi interview Hislop. I don't have any expectation of seeing that happen, but it would be fascinating.
The correct neutral option will always be 'not my business, not my concern, and anyone who tries to make it their concern can go away'
The goodest, best vibes in this interview. Y'all are wonderful and lovely.
This makes me so proud to live in New Zealand where the gender marker on your Passport is M (male) F (female), or X (gender diverse). Gender is your preference and no documentation is required. It's a bit harder to change your gender on your driver's licence though, you have to pay $38 and bring your passport with you.
...*Only* 38$ and a passport? Damn. A lot of folks would definitely kill for that definition of "hard", haha.
Been thinking about moving there, given the US is collapsing in on itself thanks to the right wingers.
My two patreon subs have finally crossed over. A welcome surprise!
This is for the algorithm what a lovely interview I love Abi
New subscriber, this was an amazing interview. Thank you for doing it. I absolutely NEEDED this.
Abigail - Thank you SO much for including "thinness" in the list of privileges. Some of us "people of size" are born with, or have developed, endocrine disorders and other health complications that make it damn near impossible to be thin, even if going to extremes like a few hundred calorie a day, liquid diets and extreme exercise.
Just finding a Dr. who understands and believes is a rare gift. Hearing it mentioned in public discourse on social issues is heartwarming.
Ok. I just saw your "Why Do I Hate My Self?" video. You get it. Your body could respond to that pressure and become thin (albeit to detrimental levels) ... but you get it. Appreciate you even more.
What a great segment! I learned so much about trans rights and other raw, deeper content on Abi's channel, but I was still surprised to learn more from her in this video too. Excited to see where life takes her. Another great and insightful video Owen.
Segment? Is this a satsuma to you?
@@paulmumford7595 Haha. Poor word choice on my part. Interview would be better suited.
Owen, I only found your channel a few days ago via mention from Ash on NM and I have managed to catch up on a few of your videos so far. It is a great pleasure to see Abi here with you this Friday, definitely subscribing!
Nothing to say, just commenting to feed the algorithm and help increase visibility. Great video. Made a shitty day a bit brighter. Ta.
Just replying for the same reason. 😁
replying for the same reason :D
hope you're feeling better Martin x
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This video felt like therapy
She's so happy!!!! I see her smiling and glowing in all her videos since her coming out video, and seeing her being so happy makes me feel so happy for her!
I just want Abigail to be Death in the Sandman adaptation Netflix is doing. Not because she's trans but because I think she would say "you get what everyone gets, you get a lifetime" EXACTLY RIGHT and I can't unhear that.
Instinctively read that in Gerard Way's voice
Best crossover omg I love you both so much
This was such an interesting interview and had a great balance of optimism and realism about the state of the UK etc etc; something I did notice though is that Owen frequently said "cisgendered" which is just not the correct word (I feel like Abi tried to subtly correct him by saying "cisgender" herself but was too polite to bring it up lmao). Just thought I would mention as subtle language differences like this can of course be very important :)
Would you mind explaining a bit more? What would be the difference between using ‘cisgenderED’ and just ‘cisgender’? Are u just saying one is not grammatically correct?
@@mlxlmewq7733 It's grammatically incorrect. It also implies that the opposite is 'transgendered' which is also not correct and just kinda weird because being trans is something that someone *is*, not *becomes*, and 'transgendered' kinda implies the latter