Better First Layer and Bed Level Fixes on 3D Printers
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- Опубліковано 2 жов 2024
- Chuck shows you a few Cura Settings that help give you that near-perfect first layer and a trick to do before every print to help get the 3D Print to stick on this week's Filament Friday.
Note: Mounting the IPA bottle on the rail near a running heated 3D printer is not the best idea. Keep it stored in a safe dry place when printing. You can store it in the holder when the printer is not running so it’s there when you are ready to start a new print.
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As some have pointed out, mounting the IPA bottle on the rail near a running heated 3D printer is not the best idea. Keep it stored in a safe dry place when printing. You can store it in the holder when the printer is not running so it’s there when you are ready to start a print.
Hey CHEP, useful video as always (Maybe not the storing flammable liquid near the printer haha!) but wondering where did you get the CAD model for the bracket? Trying to find that double slot CAD model, it's a real pain to find!
I created it in Tinkercad.
Just so you know. Craality glass build plate coating dissolves if alcohol used on it . I Lean the hard way 😃
How long did it take?
How many applications of alcohol?
@@FilamentFriday the very first time i try left permanent marks so I'm no using alcohol unless im printing on the plain glass side. Craality says to use water with little dish soap . Bottom line : don't touch the plate
It's good to struggle a bit when learning this hobby, just not to the point of becoming frustrated and quitting. It took me quite a few prints as a beginner to finally get things right. You have to learn what setting does what, and the distance from nozzle to bed and what a perfect print even looks like when you get there. After a awhile, you'll instantly know what to adjust, and videos like this help tremendously! Great video for a newby!
Same here started printing for 2 weeks know
Still there is much to learn like i still can't get to print something in mid air without a mess
You need to get the right printer for that. An Ender 3 while trying to print relatively large parts is not a good idea for a beginner.
@@bre39y i always use support for that. Using ender 3
@@mostafakhaligy857 it mostly makes a mess by sticking to the print
@@bre39y u can always change the support settings
I wish more people had your style of presentation. Time is our most valuable asset. Thank you for spending your time, helping people like me, with videos like this. I had my best print to date, after watching this and integrating your suggested changes to Cura. My adhesion was perfect. It was the largest job yet and it was sitting loose on the plate this morning when I reached for it. Unbelievably, outstanding improvements. Have a great day! -from a new subscriber! Thanks again!
THANK YOOOU
I set up a printer for my bro 6m ago with no problems. I just got the same brand - different model and was on day 4 of tweaking and failed print jobs. All of the other solutions I found online were things i had already tried. I was ready to throw my printer off the balcony. Your video was the first I saw to mention anything more than the standard solutions.
You saved my new printer's life, it thanks you.
Thank you so much. I just got my 3-D printer. How about a week ago and I was stressed because I could not figure out what the hell was wrong with it. After following all your steps, it’s finally sticking to the bed again.🎉🎉
Most brilliant, simple, helpful video I have ever seen to fix my printer issues! Thanks a lot.
The Glue stick really helped me
There are swaths of people on youtube giving tips about 3d printing, i always stop and watch yours because you always teach me something. You know your stuff and your videos are always straight to the point. You're amazing for the 3d print community.
Thanks
Used these settings after I swapped to a different head end. Was having adhesion issues. These worked great. Thank you so much!
00:52 Initial Temperature [+5/+10]
01:01 Initial Later Line Width [125%]
01:16 Outer Before Inner Wall [√]
01:23 Initial Layer Speed [20]
Initial Layer Travel Speed [35]
01:53 Bottom Pattern Initial Layer [Concentric]
Connect Top/Bottom Polygons [√]
This was fantastic advise. The first adjustments made corrected all my imperfections. Thanks
Definitely going to try these out. I've been having an issue with my first, or first couple of layers on one specific side of all of my prints. After watching this, I realized that the size that I pull my prints up from, and touch the bed with my fingers. Time to do some cleaning and set a new template with all these settings.
After years of printing somehow I just forget to apply the basics, these videos are great for new and experienced hobbyists
Raising the nozzle temp by 5 degrees did the trick ! Thanks.
A brilliant practical solution to my first layer nightmare. Thank you so much. Very well illustrated and explained thoroughly.
Thank you, after hours and hours of trying to get my first layer to stick these settings helped!
OMG Thank You!!! Those setting changes in Cura saved my larger prints! Cannot thank you enough!
Chuck! I was about ready to toss my printer until I applied your profile edits. Thanks for your support to the 3D printing community, awesome stuff!
I recommend not storing a fuel source next to a hobby 3d printer. Could make a bad situation much worse.
The best 3d printing advice ever. Thank you so much. My printer printed beautifully, but your tips made it print even better. You are my goto guy for 3d printing. Thanks again.
Pretty interesting indeed! Thanks a lot, Chuck! 😃
That's why I saw a guy taking his print off the bed with gloves!
Stay safe there with your family! 🖖😊
These are great tips. I'd also like to add that setting your initial layer height to 75% of your nozzle size helps too. My nozzle is .4mm so I print my initial layer at .3mm.
Thanks for this tip You save my life, what it helped me was initial layer width. Thanks.
Your channel has the most useful information for 3D printing.
Just found your channel too a few hours ago.
Wish I found this when I first started 3D printing
I’m just getting into the hobby. I’ll be using this info this evening after work, when I continue to adjust my printer. I’ve gotten a few prints out, but many fails as well, and a lot that I have aborted just a few minutes in due to not getting a good bed to print on. I think this will help tremendously.
The slicer was my problem, thank you for helping
I don't want to be that guy... But please be careful putting your IPA next to heat sources like this. It's got a super low flash point (12oC/77F) and should really be stored somewhere a little safer especially given how infrequently you need to use it during 3d printing
Not sure if helpful for others, but I took the liberty of noting out Chuck's tips. I believe all these settings are for Cura.
1) Level the bed
2) Clean the bed with IPA
3a) Under 'Material': Bump up printing temp (up 5 degrees, or 10 on glass bed)
3b) Initial layer even hotter (around 215)
4) Under 'Quality' : Change Initial Layer Line Width - usually 100%, but change to between 115% to 125%
5) Under 'Walls' : Check "Outer Before Inner Walls"
6) Under 'Speed' : Slow down initial layer. Initial Layer Speed = 20.0 mm/s, Initial Layer Print Speed 20.0 mm/s, Initial Layer Travel Speed 35.0 mm/s
7a) Under 'Top/Bottom' : Change 'Bottom Pattern Initial Layer' to Concentric (default is Lines)
7b) Check the 'Connect Top/Bottom Polygons' (default is off)
Nb. At time of writing, it seems "Walls" options are slightly different now. There is an 'Optimise Wall Printing Order', and a subsequent 'Wall Ordering' option. Its default is "Inside to Outside", with the alternative option being 'Outside to Inside'. I expect this new option is similar to Chuck's original intention for this step.
Thanks for doing this.
Thank you so much for this video. I'm still pretty new to 3d printing and after a couple weeks without issue, I had run into an issue where my first layer was laying so badly it would curl up and catch on the extruder causing the whole first layer to start dragging around, I re downloaded my sonic pad profiles I tried my default cura profiles tried tramming the printer and leveled the bed over and over and tried glue sticks no matter what I couldn't get a good even stick on the first layer, SO I took this guide and used it as a fresh start following basic guidlines for a good first layer along with some of your recommended settings and I'm seeing good clean first layers again with no curling or lifting, will take a few more prints before I have my settings really dialed in but I was starting to lose confidence in fixing this until I followed along with this video.
Fr bro my print was dragging too but this guide helped.
Slowing down that travel speed was big.
I feel you’re tempting fate having IPA that close to a heated bed. Just to prevent Murphy’s Law from striking here, I keep IPA and all adhesion promoters stored in something fireproof. But I also work in a lab so my view of these materials is a bit different than most consumers. Print safe!
I was about to comment that, this can turn a incident like, "my printer smoked" into a "my entire house burned down".
@@victornpb exactly. I’ve experienced a 3D printer fire (workplace) and it was hugely enhanced by flammable materials nearby.
Yes , its Common Sense!! Put a very flamable liquid -like IPA- near a PSU or a heatbed its very wrong !!
I agree just asking for a fire rather than just the board smoking
Did you miss my comment pinned at the top or in the description?
Amazing - this video immediately fixed my first layer issues, so relieved to find your video. Thank you
Struggled with failed prints for the last 24hrs. Even went as far as installing the CR Touch I had waiting to go, but still struggled! Watched this, tweaked the slicer, tuned the z-offset, cleaned the bed and laid down the most perfect first layer I ever have. A single 75mm square, one layer thick that cannot be torn by hand (I left it as a line pattern too!) and has not a blemish on it. Liked and subscribed!
Glad I could help
I also put insulation below the bed so the heat spread more evenly, it reduces the warping (the middle part of the bed usualy a lot hotter than the edge and expand more)
What insulation did you use?
I'm using roof insulation foil, it looks like shiny bubble wrap 🤣
You just fixed my problem thank you. I never thought I had to wipe my pei sheet with alcool. I just started with FDM printing but I've been resin printing for 2-3 years.
Thank you. Excellent video. Thorough, clear, and easy to follow.
Wow like magic! Thank you for this detail, my print looks FANTASTIC!
Wow good settings, thanks man. I personally use blue tape but if i want no lines on first layer, I’ll have to do some settings adjustments and clean the bed and go direct
Thank you CHEP. finally fixed my issue
I’ve been a whole day trying to get a good layer removing bad ones and wiping the plate with my hands. Dumb me😅
The first image you showed is what my first layer looked like and I thought it was wrong. I guess I'm good then. 😂😂😂
This helped me so much! Thanks man and keep on going with the videos, extremely helpfull :)
Isopropyl alcohol causes the carborundum bed to lose its effectiveness. And leading to the bed failing.
I just started to use a glass bed on my ender3, To get the first layer to stick I just give it a light going over with a glue stick and bump up the temp 10 degrees works every time. Just remember to clean the bed before your next print.
Once I dialed in the more obvious things like temp and settings and leveling and had good but still not not perfectly consistent prints, I really like glue sticks on a glass bed. Need to find the right kind of stick and apply a super thin layer to the bed that is thoroughly cleaned off after each print. I wasn't having serious problems but I would see minor issues sometimes with first layers, little imperfections at the base, or a corner lifting slightly on larger prints. The glue helps tons with consistency.
Hello CHEP, I think there is an error in your video. At around 0:57, you seem to suggest to change the "Initial printing temperature", but it's actually the "Printing Temperature initial layer" that should be higher (215C)
I did the test and the print temperature for the first layer was 205...
As always, great video :)
+1 true
Don't clean your bed with isopropyl alcohol while it's in an acrylic enclosure. Learned this the hard way.
@@Kalvinjj I use glass cleaner first then IPA after, covers all the bases
It really WAS just that easy!! Thanks CHEP :)
Maybe it's just me. but attaching a bottle of IPA next a a heat source, like a 3D printer, seems like a fire waiting to happen.
right??
Not exactly, because it doesn't touch anything hot directly, the nozzle doesn't go that far, but it might evaporate
Just rubbing with a paper towel makes my glass mirror bed clean most of the time. In our country we use methylated spirits to clean. Much cheaper but you have to tolerate the smell for a little bit.
Yeh i was going to design something similar to hold my IPA.... then i considered the 200°C nozzle.... and things like thermal run away.... and figured I'd be best storing the alcohol a bit away from the heat source!
Sending this to friend who is struggling with first layer
I've been unable to print for the better part of a week due to sudden bed adhesion problems. I've been all over Reddit and various forums with little success. One CHEP video and I'm back in business. Should've just looked here to begin with! Thanks CHEP!
Glad to help
i dont know if its a good idea to leave ISO right next to your printer like that
Exactly, that is asking for a bigger trouble if...
Thank you for another informative video.
ISP Alcohol is rather exspensive here in South Africa, so I use menthalated Spirits. And no, I don't filter and drink it/ At $2 for 750ml, it is more affordable than $4 for 100ml...
Also thank you for the file.
I am one of those who take your files, apreceat the efford, and modify it for my needs.
I always wanted a side mounted camera bracket for my Ender 3 and 3 Max. So I tinkercad the box away and add a camera arm onto it with an action camera mount that can take the various camera and cellphone mounts.
Will post a make to your thangs page once I am done.
As you can deduce, you are aiding my designing and education. So thank you very much.
Can't believe the difference these settings make. Perfect printing since. Thanks a million.
This man Chuck really just solved all my 3d Printing problems ive been having for months in just one video under 10 mins ! Now thats what i call TOP QUALITY content!
Thanks CHEP very helpful
That is some handy info. I'm going to need to try it with my carbon fiber printing. I keep having issues getting the first few lines to stick even after a good Iso clean and using a layer of glue stick. Only did 2 attempts so far before my nozzle clogged on me.
Thank you, I dint realize how much fingerprints/oil was such a problem or even that it was a problem at all. 100% better first layer!
Thanks a lot for those tips, they really helped fix the issues I have. But I am not sure how they came up. I suppose filament color change has its own issues too.
I think a lot of people have issues with prints not sticking to the glass beds because they do not clean the yellow glue that is left behind from the protective plastic sheet, soap and water will not get it all off you need to use IPA.
The glass sheet I bought for one of my Ender 3 machines did not have any problems with prints not sticking despite not initially cleaning it but the bed that came with the Ender 5 Plus had to be cleaned, that was the one I tried to wash with soap and water and the prints would still not stick but after cleaning with IPA the problem was easily seen as there was still loads of the yellow glue on there but once that was removed printing was fine.
Thanks I needed this video
I printed a Calicat with this and it worked!
Pas vraiment une bonne idée de mettre une bouteille de produit hautement inflammable à coté du lit chauffant!
EVERYONE I HAVE FINALLY FOUND A REALLY GOOD SOLUTION!!
Go into your settings (im going to be explaining it for cura, the settings in other softwares should be similar.), set initial layer height to 0.32mm, set initial layer line width to 120%, and make sure your initial layer speed is 30mm/s. You may have to tweak it a little bit based on your printer, I have a ender 3. Hope this helps!
Came here trying to find the settings for no fan for say the first 5/10 layers , just got to 8 and the hotends pushing the print around the bed 🙄
These tips rocked, Chuck. I've been so frustrated with my Ender 3 for the last month when I couldn't get prints to stick or leveling right. This video and the bed adhesion one you did helped me do a total 180.
You're the Mr. Rogers of 3D printing, sir.
cleaning the bed solved my terrible first layer problem. I didn't know that it was so critical. thanks for the amazing tip!
I'm 3 hours into my new Ender 3 S1 and this video helped me tremendously, thank you!
Great info on the printing stuff, but I have to question the wisdom of attaching a bottle of fuel to a machine that sometimes catches fire. Rare, for sure, but that bottle could be the difference between a little fire that quickly runs out of fuel and one that now has the means to expand its horizons.
One of the biggest causes of prints not sticking to the bed which is often overlooked by anyone new to printing is oil and grease from your fingers on the print bed, i always clean my bed with some 99% IPA before each print.
Then there’s me. I only clean my bee when the bottom of the print is gonna show and needs to be perfect. All my prints always stick. Pla+, ASA, PETG, PC. Once you get a qidi printer perfectly level, and the right slicer settings any filament will stick without glue or spray.
Great tips
Thanks for sharing your experiences with all of us :-)
The Slice Settings that you gave, has a New Meaning when using ABS. I have been so successful so far with ABS, that I do not even use a "brim" to secure the base. I believe the biggest help in the settings, was the Top & Bottom, and using the Concentric tab. I also set my Hot End at 250 and the plate 110 with ABS, and also slow my speeds down, which is part of your suggestions above. I also make a light ABS slurry, and apply it on the surface prior to the heat, after cleaning the surface. We are told ABS is not a big problem on the 3D printer.....Not So. I purchased an enclosure, which is good, but never had a good ABS model, until now. I have a motorcycle that needs ABS because of heat and now I can build pretty much anything.
Thanks for your help and previous help to make my 3D printer work right.🙂
My son and I have spent 4 days trying to print Plane Kit Cards and they just were turning into a big ball of rats nests. I made several of your recommendations and cleaned the heck out of the bed and we are on our 2nd card. Thank you so much. I took notes so I can make changes when needed
if you can't find option in Visibility Settings "Outer Before Inner Wall" @ 01:16, look for "Wall ordering" outside to inside.Cura V5.4
I use windows 7 and cura 4.10.0 and it all works like a dream. Not sure what the upgrades do. I can even install plug-ins in problem.
Thankyou so much for the tips, I was struggling with my printer all day yesterday and was about to give up but your isopropyl alcohol fix worked a charm, now my first layers are nice and bump free
Hello sir.
Have watched your channel for a while and appreciate everything you do. Your reviews and information made me into a creality customer for life. 7 ender 3 pro's later sold for 6 cr10s pro v2's.
Thanks and please keep the information coming.
I have been trying to print something all day, will not stick, on my glass bed. I cleaned the glass with Dawn, and the alcohol, then I went through Cuba, put in your settings, and perfect. I did a 32 mm cube in Fusion 360, printed perfect. Then the project, perfect as well. I think slowing down the first layer is huge. Thank you for your great knowledge. 🙏
I came back to the hobby after several months, bought some filament and a new printer, just because. I just watched your video a few times because I'm having trouble with my first layer adhering properly. After about 2 hours of messing around I finally realized that the filament I bought and was using is ABS lmao
This comment saved me so much headache. I ended up doing the exact same thing haha 😫
@@davidw4269 lmao good to know I'm not alone
That is why I NEVER TOUCH THE BED WITH MY HANDS. Special pinzets or gloves to bend the flexible bed
Outer before inner walls is terrible for overhangs
Thanks, this helped me a lot!
Sound advice and you get a Parting Gift you can't ask for more Lol.
When are people having first layer issues that need to be fixed in the slicer? Is it just particular materials like ABS?
The only first layer issues I've had so far (still pretty new to this) were because I needed to clean the bed. I'll be doing that more frequently even if it looks clean.
Between prints I like to use the microfiber cloth. No alcohol just the cloth. I find that the bed has a lot of static electricity and it's attracting dust. After so many prints maybe four or five then I'll use a little alcohol after the bed is cool down completely.
I used to use the paper to dial it in.
I now use the paper to get it close. I made a 120mm square with a brim, turn the speed down, and I adjust on the fly when it’s making its big squares.
I was never sure what the paper method would give me and now I can see how good the first layer prints on the fly.
If you're gonna use paper towels get the good stuff. I've noticed a ton of fibers left behind with some brands.
Blue shop paper towels are the best.
Just got my printer this past weekend and this channel took me from knowing nothing to feeling pretty comfortable in just a couple days. Thanks for all the help! I'll still be coming back lol
same 4 me...starting yesterday and already solved my first layer issues.
Fantastic video! I noticed that you have some red strips inside your 40/40 rails to prevent loose filament from getting in there, and you have a custom knob attached to your LCD, could you go over what you think are some of the best print-able upgrades that you always print whenever you get a new printer? Thanks Chuck!
Oil. That makes so much sense now. I'm watching my printer go right now and the oil spots and dust is horrendous!
Thank you sooo much this helped so much
You just earned a sub
hi chuck,
I love your video's, I'm no expert in all of this stuff. i have been 3d printing for about 1 year, and i did some research and I found that isopropyl alcohol on the ender 3v2 is bad. so the ender 3 v2 has a carborundum bed an it is designed to release when it is cold but if you put isopropyl alcohol on it can actually destroy that I'm(1) After 16 3D Printers, I Found My Favorite 3D Printer Bed - UA-cam. love your videos man keep it up
What do you use to clean the Ender 3 bed then?
Don't store flammables next to things that might catch fire (like a 3D printer).
I'd never store alcohol near a 3rd printer. In case of fire it will turn into incendiary grenade.
The quality of my first layers improved immensely with these simple changes. Thank you!
ive got time to rewatch this and make adjustments before my first layer finishes thanks chep
Thank you!!!!! I've been so frustrated!
Great video! Um... Not to be paranoid, but is it wise to put a holder for a highly flammable fluid on your 3d printer? 🤔
So I made these adjustments. Next few prints came out flawless. Next day i went to print my next model and - nothing sticking. Flawless prints had a z-offset at -0.12. To get the next print to stick I had to adjust z-offset to -0.60!!! Nothing else changed! This is boggling my mind.
Clean the bed with soapy water or Isopropyl alcohol.
You have bad bed screws or a wobbly x-gantry
One other thing that you do that can help with adhesion it use a skirt. There often isn't a good flow rate when the printer starts printing. The skirt gives the printer a chance to get the flow rate right when it starts printing the parts you want to keep. A brim or raft can also be useful for tall parts that might get knocked over during the print.
I tried cleaning the bed as instructed and my print still won’t stick to the bed. What should I do? Im so tired of fixing this printer
Go in your slicing software, adjust the initial layer height to be higher. Slow the print speed, travel, and increase the temp of your nozzle by 5°.