I know loads of people that went to university and still ended up at a call centre or mcdonalds or some other crap job. Education is overly prioritized when in reality it doesn't count for much. Some of the wealthiest people on earth were poorly educated.
Schools really need to evolve. Not everybody is gonna be able to sit in a classroom for hours and remember stuff they are never gonna use again. It's hard for kids to sit and focus, especially boys. And you can see the effects later on in the education system. Boys are behind. And it's not because they're less smart. That should be the conversation.
I can't disagree, but boys would do great in history if they consumed Thomas Sowell books on tape, and thefatelectrician, both free on UA-cam. They might get low grades from woke, union teachers in government schools, but knowledge and truth.matter more. About $15,000/year is allocated for each California student who attended his assigned school. If that same $15,000. could be invested in tuition at the school his family chose, these students' performance would improve by perhaps 30%. Good students in good school would stay there. Shitty students I'm shitty schools would stay where they were. Good students in shitty schools would transfer to good schools and thrive. Lazy, disruptive students would shape up or be shipped.out of good private schools. As committed students depopulated bad public schools, others would join them
School is only six hours and you spend no more than 55 minutes to 90 minutes on a single subject. Your attention span is your responsibility. I’ve been teaching for over a decade, put down the video games and the phone and read a book. Once you can focus on one thing for more than 30 seconds at a time, you’ll find school a lot less difficult.
Public school should be designed to cultivate skills, interests, and talents that are useful to society. Our school system produces a rigid form of worker bees for corporations to take advantage of. The smart of the bunch make the system work for them and avoid the traditional paths.
You know worker bees are useful to society too. They may do it through corporations, but that's still a part of society. Not everybody is a tradesman, nor should they be. What you probably mean is that schools do less to give you useful skills that are in demand than they train you into compliance with abusive exercises of authority or false ideologies that have a lot invested into it but still make things worse than they have to be.
Public schools shouldn't exist. The government has no place in education and individuals need to be responsible for educating or having educated their own children.
Reading, writing, arithmetic, science, History, how to do research, money management, and most of all problem-solving. That's what school should be teaching. Throw in a thorough curriculum and how to spot people who are trying to manipulate you and a little philosophy then you'd have a well-rounded education. We really need people to know how to think. The problem is, thinking people aren't so easy to control.
If the schools are spitting kids out who arent even worth minimum wage... Id say they're not even prepping them for corporations or a basic job... theyre prepping rhem for failure.
Studying is like some sort of discipline. It is can prove very difficult for most kids, but the moment you learn it. Hearing children say they hate studying, or hate exams... like it's not about the exams, it's not about the grades, it's about what you are learning, you are learning how to put in effort even when it's really hard. It's quite sad that many children can't open a book to read and understand.
I'm going with what Dan winter said, that we should be simply teaching our children to have a bliss experience, if that means an A+ on a test, and they appreciate the journey to that, then good, if it means some other artful endeavor then do that. even JBP said from Jaak Panksepps material, that the play circuit is essentially the learning circuit (If I read and understood that material properly)
It's a great philosophy to have, regardless of it being in school or outside of school in the big bad world out there. It's forgiving too. The idea is to keep striving for your best, regardless of setbacks and failures... even catastrophic disasters of failures that have ruined your life and the loss of respect that it comes with it, and maybe even loss of living situation stability too and now you're struggling to acquire your next meal or clothing. So what? Take time to let it hurt, let the shame, guilt, regret, resentment and depression come through as information for the process of letting the bad parts of you to die off before regenerating and recalibrating... and as that happens, take some rest, re-strategise, and then get back up and try again and improve... do your best and refine your best, and learn from past failings, no matter how terrible. That's true forgiveness, true love and true humility. To face the battles uphill and endure suffering, from your own faults as well as from the world surrounding you.
I wouldn't, if I had done my best. Not everyone is academically gifted, a lot are practically gifted instead, and can create a rewarding career just with that .
exactly my experience... I worked my ass off in grade nine, sacrificed all my free time to get good grades... got a b+... never tried again the rest of my life... NOT WORTH IT....
When the score is designed to measure "cleverness," it's a pretty good indication. Of course there are exceptions and badly designed tests. It feels good to say that no kids are more clever than others, or that all kids have equal capability, but common sense suggests that's not the case, even if it sounds mean.
The literal purpose of a test is to score individuals. If you have a well-designed test for cleverness, that’s exactly what you’re measuring and it’s not messed up. If you want to say there are other characteristics in a person that are important besides cleverness, I’m with you… otherwise, your statement is not clever.
Yes, some kids are smarter than the other. Thats just fact. Doesnt mean we should belittle the one who is not that smart. Im not that smart, im not trying to be smart and i use whatever i have, to do the best that i can. Not trying to be in the same level of smart people, pushing your limit is also important.
Tests DO NOT measure all types of intelligence. So no, they are not accurately designed, simply because to measure someone's complete range of cognitive capacity is simply impossible to do. Not to mention other many factors that may contribute to a lower academic performance, such as nutrition, stress, family circumstances, etc
Numerical scores on exams are a smoothbrain value system, because they detract from usable learning. They're *obvious* feedback, so people play the game for them, but for all their obviousness, they don't reflect mastery or good thinking as much as the qualities of long projects or the act of teaching the knowledge you just learned to someone else effectively.
Can we please not have this woman as ANY kind of reference? I'm dismayed that JP is even speaking to her I get so much relief from swiping away from her blabbabbling (loudly and angry)
Tbh her school values are what is missing from a lot of schools. Too many parents are dossers and send them to the local comprehensive with below standard attainment. All you’re doing is setting them up for a life of struggle and mediocrity.
Yeah... Shes got passion and telling something in a manner like its a truth. In the same time she coudn't be more wrong. People who have best grades aren't the smartest ones. They are the most obedient ones. Because grades are extrrnal motovation and that doesn't work in long term - I dont know how the interview went but Perer Jordan as a psychologist shoud know that. Kids that will do well in live will be the ones that find passion and internal motivation for being the best at the topic that interests them. I'm a programmer thats doing pretty well at solving complex backend problems so by the narrative about IQ by Perer Jordan I should have IQ above average. And guest what. I was below average at shool. And gues what - I didnt learn programming at school. And gues what - I WAS a good student until I realized that fulfilling other people expectations (parents, teachers) leads me nowhere. Standard school system is so wrong making perfect slaves. I feel sorry for children of a parents that believe in what lady slave master says. And promotimg this kind of narrative produces more and more despotic parents.
Exam design to test not just memorising skill but also problem solving skills. Everyone can memorise something but not everyone can excel in problem solving. To say that that exam doenst reveal who is the smartest is just not true.
This lady is correct in a lot of ways but I’m sure glad she isn’t my mom. She seems like the type of person who’d never be proud of me. Like even if she said she was I wouldn’t believe her.
So what she's saying is the people that get fours and fives who are struggling are still putting in the same amount of effort so they don't feel bad about themselves is that right
Last two exams of university: - i got a 18 on one, the lowest passing score. I was over the fucking moon. I had prepared for it, studied like hell, but the curriculum was huge, and the questions were objectively hard, and the professor was even more of a hardass. I had previously failed that same exam, and passing it was being above mount everest. - I got a 29 (or 28?) in the last one. I was livid. I could have gotten a 30, the professor was basically telling me he couldn't because that other teacher got me that 18 and he couldn't go against his superior and give me a 30, but without saying it out loud. 28 or 29 is almost the maximum, and something to be very proud of. But the number doesn matter. That 18 felt like a 30. That 29 felt like an 17. Dont look at the number. Look at the journey.
In life, you can find purpose and dignity by working hard to achieve your own personal goals, your own personal vision. The problem with school is that you get an arbitrary curriculum imposed into you. As a kid you are expected to follow it without question with little regard to your own interests and strengths. Here is where agreeableness comes into play, as a kid, how willing are you to fulfill the purpose someone else is imposing on you (parents, teachers)? vs. following your own dreams and objectives
I spent all my time and focus on getting top grades in classes. I always got good grades. I also have moderate-to-severe dyslexia. It was never a concern to what the other students received, bit it took more work just too keep up with them than they ever put in. Doing this to this day, even at a dead-end, entry-level, manufacturing job, has gotten me nowhere in life. Some of us just don't know how to operate any other way than to push ourselves to destruction, with no tangible reward, simply because we won't be utilized to be truly constructive in our society. Doing the best you can may be the most you can ever do. Until those people are identified and properly placed for maximum positive effect on any organization or part of society, it won't make any difference and is completely useless and more destructive than anything. Don't play the game. Being 'dignified' isn't helpful to anyone. Find more to achieve than simply reaching objective achievements.
Except that those getting 4s and 5s are continuously reminded that they’re at the lower end of the distribution, resulting in markedly lower self esteem and subsequent feeling of purpose. This woman lives in a dreamworld.
Precisely! The "education" system makes 80% of kids feel like theyre worthless or dumb and makes them think those who suckup hardest to the system are in charge and "the smart ones"... belief is incredibly powerful!
Well that’s rubbish. Pupils getting 1s and 2s are the lower end. 4s and 5s is the middle percentile and it’s the attitude which she is socialising into those pupils which is so important not the score.
@@mrfr87 no, 4-5 is the middle of the point range, not the distribution. And sure, the attitude is what she is at, but if people are continuously and quantitatively told they suck at something society greatly values, it is not going to get across.
Those who get bad scores don’t care, not because they know they’re trying their best, but because they don’t care enough about school and grades to try.
I believe that a school has to create the right boundary conditions for kids to feel safe - to know that they will be socially accepted as they are - so that they dare to try to perform best - without fear of being excluded socially as a nerd. Without fear of what „their best trying“ might amount to. It is hard to accept that your best may only be a 5/9. I believe this can only be accepted if a school rewards and sees people on a broader scale. That they openly accredit value in more than just the exam grade dimension.
its a nested structure. you want the ones who get 10's to lead, then 2nd rank 9's to lead the ones below them, then 3rd rand 8's and so on and so forth.
good luck trying to get me to 'work like hell' at something i don't enjoy on the immediate level. didn't work when i was a kid, doesn't work now. i'm in my mid 40s and have never learned delayed gratification. maybe when i'm 50, the nhs will remember i'm on their waiting list for adhd assessment lol.
The comments here are really interesting. The position she states here is almost by definition one of the most valued and popular conservative ideas that conservatives usually hold, especially in regards to self-responsibility. The idea that grades and exams shouldnt be as important as they are is a very liberal and left wing idea, yet many here in the comments are seeming to prefer the latter. Reason probably being is many of the commenters here having been through school themselves recently and not doing as well as they would have liked to. I feel like this should make you think about why you hold the positions that you do, instead of suddenly adopting an incredibly left wing position just because life didnt work out for you the way you imagined.
I think you're applying 'right and left' rather inappropriately here. They're not distinct on how they view grades. The entire reason for the modern educational system is 'compliance'. Based on the Prussian system in order to create an abundance of productive workers. Virtually 95% of everything they teach you in the curriculum is a waste of time that gives no elasticity for habitual behavior. Nor will you use the knowledge in any practical application. People have a problem with the system because it is in a state of failing efficacy. Not necessarily because people had bad grades.
tell that to the youtube millionaires. If you know what you are doing, you can make lots of money on youtube or social media and none of it is taught from school. School = 90% of ppl working jobs they hate and never wanted at minimum wage. Content creators = living your passions and dreams while making more money than 9-5 job.
I have come across alot of educated people in my 68 years on this planet! My conclusions are they are great at remembering stuff so very good repeater stations! They don't have critical thoughts! Not much common sence! They are told how and what to think! These people in general should not be listened to! Best to ignore them!
While I appreciate her enthusiasm, doing well on your exams does not mean you will excel in life. Putting all of your focus on schoolwork when you are a child will turn you into a paperwork-ridden obedient slave.
I would work hard for something that matters…. When I was in school I always asked my teacher when I would use the information that was given… most of them couldn’t answer or worst got me punished…
Even if you make a mistake, a good thing can come from that. Just because you don't go to a private school does not mean you can't have opportunity in a public school. It's not where we go, it's who we meet along the way.
Who said doing well on exams was the measure of how clever someone is? I am surrounded by people who have advanced degrees. Guess who they call to help solve complex problems?😂 Getting good grades doesn’t equate to being successful in life.
On the one hand we need to do our children better when it comes to teaching them, hands on play is always going to be more effective than learning by rote, especially for young boys. But also if you look at what is going on at West Point: 60 percent of graduates fulfill their first term of service and then drop out of the military usually because they were pushed to become an officer by their parents and also because the United states military is beholden to the whims of our politicians. So while it's important for children to want to do the best they can in a test it's also important to work with them and understand why they're not interested in what they're learning. Everything can be interesting, it's just not been described interestingly enough.
Literally being good at videogames is better and more meaningful than doing well on exams. YOU GOTTA BE THE BEST SLAVE YOU CAN BE, NOT FOR YOUR SLAVEMASTER , BUT FOR YOURSELF! PUSH THAT ROCK UP THE HILL, AND WHEN IT FALLS DOWN, YOU PUSH IT RIGHT BACK UP THE HILL! APPLY YOURSELF
@jamesscottselfdefense47 I don't mind working for others. What I do mind is filling out paperwork for 8 hours a day for my entire childhood at taxpayer expense for a piece of paper that's somehow even more worthless than the US dollar.
I completely understand her point. But when you are talking to children you need love not anger. Grades are so overrated. What is the point of being a person with a degree who hates life ?
To be honest. I really actually wish I was raised by someone like this. I love my mom to death. But I wish she had been more authoritative over me. I made a lot of bad decisions that didn't seem like wrong decisions back then that held me back and I'm feeling the effect of them now because nobody was there to set me straight. Inform me.
Fact is education sucks, the fees are ridiculous, the curriculum is unnecessarily dense, the teachers are over worked and under paid, the students have no comprehension of the syllabus and the parents are fighting political battles to protect their children. This is global and shameful. Exams are fine hard work is also fine but to what end? A guy without a degree doesn't get a job even though he has the skills required for the job something he put the effort towards. Even if her point is valid its not well rounded. Best solution is to bring in large scale apprenticeship programs in trade, commerce, health, agriculture, service and technology sectors. Kids learn from application and its better than any stupid degree.
I can't speak for UK public schools, but I know that most schools in the world operate on a very outdated curriculum, I can tell you that most students who are 4's and 5's have just as much purpose as the 1's and 2's, they may even have more, that's why their grades are so poor. The purpose is given by a basic nationalistic culture. I can't speak for UK public schools, but I know that most schools in the world function based on a very outdated curriculum, I can tell you that most students who are 4s and 5s have just as many purposes as the 1s and 2s, they might have even more that is why their grades are so poor. The purpose is given by a basic nationalist culture where family, teachers, and government send you signals about the purpose of your education, for most children however, the only entity that gives them any kind of guidance towards a purpose is the brain-rotting social media space.... Being a good student in a broken system does not result in a proportionally better life than those who decide to spend their time with their friends being junkies....that is both sad and a clear reason why the education system should be reformed since every country struggles with this issue.
This is the same garbage line of reasoning the education system has been pedaling for years but the way they’re choosing to do it has always been grotesque and much too thoughtless a process to sit here and claim such large claims. Too many holes to be poked in such a broad statement.
ماذا كنت تتوقع دكتور بيترسون حينما تكون في مواجهة مجتمعات سقطت اخلاقيا وتريدك ان تكون مطيعا لكل تغيير يحدث حتى وان كان ضد الفطرة السليمة التي خلق الله عليها الانسان ، من المحزن رؤية مستقبل مجتمعات لاتقبل الرأي المخالف بل حين يتكلم يهاجمه ويمنعه من الكلام لمجرد أنه لايتفق مع افكار الجندر اي كان رغم اعتراف الدكتور بيترسون بوجودهم لكن هذا لايكفي ، للتو انهيت رؤية الوثائقي الذي يتكلم عن الدكتور بيترسون وتذكرت لقاء تلفزيوني قديم يقول فيه الضيف: قررت الهجرة فيرد عليه صاحبه ولماذا فقال: لأن 🏳️🌈 قد تم تخفيف عقوبتها من الاعدام او الحرق الى عقوبات لا تذكر فيرد عليه صاحبه وما علاقة هذا بأنك تريد الهجرة فقال: سأهرب قبل أن تصبح ملزمة 😩
Ehh depends… if I’m taking a Genetics course going to school for software engineering then I’m going to do as little as humanely possible in that class and focus on well… software engineering. Graduating in 2 weeks baby 💯
My daughter whos 14 gets good grades becauae she likes to compete with herself...she gets that from her step Dads example...he competes to beat his own records. She doesnt want to go to secondary ed because she wants to work for herself as Tatoo artist. Im encouraging her to take atleast a few buisness/economic courses and an alternative so she gives herself options. But she's pretty driven and has a dream board of when she intends to reach set goals.
If your essential aim is to be the best and at the top of your class, what is it that you wish for the rest of your classmates? Is there a slight chance that you'll ever help anyone to excel in any discipline? You therefore have failed as a human and that makes the world a nasty place
Purpose of exams to see if you insane enough to grind your teeth for several months just to pass exams good trying to learn and remember absolute garbage that will never ever be useful in real life and real jobs
She's very passionate about something she experienced herself decades ago and now knows nothing about. School sucks for anyone who isn't a bully or a computer. My advice to any students still stuck in that pit is to rip whatever knowledge you can from these clowns and then find a creative way to self-employ, because otherwise you end up slaving for gung-ho "team player" drill sergeants like this lady.
On that i dont agree. My parents were working like dogs 12 hours per Day, we were poor financially, to what little time they had left they wanted to see me and play with me cook . No time to check the school studies. But i indestood our position from young age and i ask them for a pc to learn something. In the end im not rich or a millionaire but i have a great wife a great daughter and a software developer lore. I theink they did good my parents with whst they had
I feel like she's speaking basic common sense but the the manner she's delivering her message makes it feels shes saying something profound- which she is not. I get she's passionate but this is so unnecessary. Makes her look like loony left.
High school is a drama school joke a student needs 70% to pass in post secondary school.. so if 70% is the same as 100% .. as in you pass either way.. why bother getting the highest grade? No employer that I know of asks what mark did you achieve? A journey man’s trade ticker doesn’t state the marks. Unless the tradesman is going to University for a high level of education.. Then marks may actually have some muscle Just my opinion after my experiences with union, non union & military career A pass is pass as long as the minimum 70% is achieved
So why are you angry?! If u got only 40% out of bhard work you change the subject which you can handle. Atleast you know what you can not handle by working hardon them.
Eh, memorizing and regurgitating information that has minimal significance to what you intend to do with your life’s ambitions has de minimus value. Better to analyze the information being propagated upon you and store it for future application all while not concerning yourself with proving your ability to repeat what is worthless to you for your propagandist. I’ve yet to hear a billionaire cite their ability to parrot information as a key to their successful endeavors. In fact, there are countless examples of the most successful, by any metric of your choosing, doing poorly in school.
Word salad. She didn’t say a damned thing. “You want to work hard and do your best…even if you’re not as “clever” as the actual smart kids….😂😂” Yeah and I guarantee after busting hump for weeks for an exam and still getting 4s and 5s time after time that ambition will be long gone and the kid will be driving a truck instead of designing a truck. 😂
If I got 50 cents for every failed math exam.
I’d have $ 6.30 now.
Clever :)
Good one
With interest. Yes.
hehehe 😂 thanks for the chuckle ...
Het echte verhaal😂
… she speaks like an angry librarian by default.
😂😂😂
One that's had a few drinks after a really bad day at work.
She sounds crazy
I know loads of people that went to university and still ended up at a call centre or mcdonalds or some other crap job. Education is overly prioritized when in reality it doesn't count for much. Some of the wealthiest people on earth were poorly educated.
Got them crazy eyes…
💯 cracked
Schools really need to evolve. Not everybody is gonna be able to sit in a classroom for hours and remember stuff they are never gonna use again. It's hard for kids to sit and focus, especially boys. And you can see the effects later on in the education system. Boys are behind. And it's not because they're less smart. That should be the conversation.
I can't disagree, but boys would do great in history if they consumed Thomas Sowell books on tape, and thefatelectrician, both free on UA-cam.
They might get low grades from woke, union teachers in government schools, but knowledge and truth.matter more.
About $15,000/year is allocated for each California student who attended his assigned school. If that same $15,000. could be invested in tuition at the school his family chose, these students' performance would improve by perhaps 30%.
Good students in good school would stay there. Shitty students I'm shitty schools would stay where they were. Good students in shitty schools would transfer to good schools and thrive. Lazy, disruptive students would shape up or be shipped.out of good private schools.
As committed students depopulated bad public schools, others would join them
Agreed. Boys adrift is a good book that talks about this
School is only six hours and you spend no more than 55 minutes to 90 minutes on a single subject. Your attention span is your responsibility. I’ve been teaching for over a decade, put down the video games and the phone and read a book. Once you can focus on one thing for more than 30 seconds at a time, you’ll find school a lot less difficult.
@@AJZona-AJR79 someone who is part of the system supporting the system. Wild
Going to assume this is a troll/bot post, but if not this is extremely sad. @AJZona-AJR79
Public school should be designed to cultivate skills, interests, and talents that are useful to society. Our school system produces a rigid form of worker bees for corporations to take advantage of. The smart of the bunch make the system work for them and avoid the traditional paths.
You know worker bees are useful to society too. They may do it through corporations, but that's still a part of society. Not everybody is a tradesman, nor should they be. What you probably mean is that schools do less to give you useful skills that are in demand than they train you into compliance with abusive exercises of authority or false ideologies that have a lot invested into it but still make things worse than they have to be.
Yep too late now.
Public schools shouldn't exist. The government has no place in education and individuals need to be responsible for educating or having educated their own children.
Reading, writing, arithmetic, science, History, how to do research, money management, and most of all problem-solving.
That's what school should be teaching.
Throw in a thorough curriculum and how to spot people who are trying to manipulate you and a little philosophy then you'd have a well-rounded education.
We really need people to know how to think.
The problem is, thinking people aren't so easy to control.
If the schools are spitting kids out who arent even worth minimum wage... Id say they're not even prepping them for corporations or a basic job... theyre prepping rhem for failure.
Studying is like some sort of discipline. It is can prove very difficult for most kids, but the moment you learn it. Hearing children say they hate studying, or hate exams... like it's not about the exams, it's not about the grades, it's about what you are learning, you are learning how to put in effort even when it's really hard. It's quite sad that many children can't open a book to read and understand.
Schools just need to do three things:
1. Teach key skills
2. Maintain good behaviour in class
3. Keep kids busy
And they fail at all 3 😅
Instead all that happens
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I'm going with what Dan winter said, that we should be simply teaching our children to have a bliss experience, if that means an A+ on a test, and they appreciate the journey to that, then good, if it means some other artful endeavor then do that. even JBP said from Jaak Panksepps material, that the play circuit is essentially the learning circuit (If I read and understood that material properly)
I always said exams were more a test of memory, than knowledge . Continuous assessments throughout the school year is something i advocate.
Facts! Quizzes test work ethic better than exams
I would rather work smart, not hard.
It's a great philosophy to have, regardless of it being in school or outside of school in the big bad world out there. It's forgiving too. The idea is to keep striving for your best, regardless of setbacks and failures... even catastrophic disasters of failures that have ruined your life and the loss of respect that it comes with it, and maybe even loss of living situation stability too and now you're struggling to acquire your next meal or clothing. So what? Take time to let it hurt, let the shame, guilt, regret, resentment and depression come through as information for the process of letting the bad parts of you to die off before regenerating and recalibrating... and as that happens, take some rest, re-strategise, and then get back up and try again and improve... do your best and refine your best, and learn from past failings, no matter how terrible. That's true forgiveness, true love and true humility. To face the battles uphill and endure suffering, from your own faults as well as from the world surrounding you.
If I worked as hard as I could and only got a mediocre score, I would feel like crap.
Same
I wouldn't, if I had done my best. Not everyone is academically gifted, a lot are practically gifted instead, and can create a rewarding career just with that .
indeed lol, like... what is she even on about?
exactly my experience... I worked my ass off in grade nine, sacrificed all my free time to get good grades... got a b+... never tried again the rest of my life... NOT WORTH IT....
Good thing school today is the easiest shit ever.
A child is no more or less clever than others because of a score. That part is messed up
When the score is designed to measure "cleverness," it's a pretty good indication.
Of course there are exceptions and badly designed tests.
It feels good to say that no kids are more clever than others, or that all kids have equal capability, but common sense suggests that's not the case, even if it sounds mean.
The literal purpose of a test is to score individuals. If you have a well-designed test for cleverness, that’s exactly what you’re measuring and it’s not messed up. If you want to say there are other characteristics in a person that are important besides cleverness, I’m with you… otherwise, your statement is not clever.
Yes, some kids are smarter than the other. Thats just fact. Doesnt mean we should belittle the one who is not that smart. Im not that smart, im not trying to be smart and i use whatever i have, to do the best that i can. Not trying to be in the same level of smart people, pushing your limit is also important.
Tests DO NOT measure all types of intelligence. So no, they are not accurately designed, simply because to measure someone's complete range of cognitive capacity is simply impossible to do. Not to mention other many factors that may contribute to a lower academic performance, such as nutrition, stress, family circumstances, etc
cos particpation trophies is a much better solution, right?
Love this lady !!
Numerical scores on exams are a smoothbrain value system, because they detract from usable learning. They're *obvious* feedback, so people play the game for them, but for all their obviousness, they don't reflect mastery or good thinking as much as the qualities of long projects or the act of teaching the knowledge you just learned to someone else effectively.
best comment yo
What I want is to always follow Jesus and to be able to say I always tried to walk in His ways.
ok but sitting in school for... some people is torture already even without the learning
Try to blend in with others. Sure not everyone will be your friend but at least try to blend it.
School needs to actually present kids with work worth doing
She has a point, but cleverness isn’t something you can measure in a standard exam. Want clever students? Find the ones that cheat well.
The problem about that is that you'll never find the best cheater
@@roejogan2693 incorrect assumption.
Not really, honesty and intelligence are separate traits. You will find intelligent people who just don't want to cheat even though they could.
@@tijgertjekonijnwordopgegeten you’re missing something. Honesty doesn’t exist when you’re desperate enough.
How is that clever? The one that cheat well is the one who is their head is empty.
Can we please not have this woman as ANY kind of reference? I'm dismayed that JP is even speaking to her
I get so much relief from swiping away from her blabbabbling (loudly and angry)
Tbh her school values are what is missing from a lot of schools. Too many parents are dossers and send them to the local comprehensive with below standard attainment. All you’re doing is setting them up for a life of struggle and mediocrity.
@@RevealedFilms but most of the things she says are insane
The world needs this lady and her mission!
Yeah... Shes got passion and telling something in a manner like its a truth. In the same time she coudn't be more wrong. People who have best grades aren't the smartest ones. They are the most obedient ones. Because grades are extrrnal motovation and that doesn't work in long term - I dont know how the interview went but Perer Jordan as a psychologist shoud know that. Kids that will do well in live will be the ones that find passion and internal motivation for being the best at the topic that interests them. I'm a programmer thats doing pretty well at solving complex backend problems so by the narrative about IQ by Perer Jordan I should have IQ above average. And guest what. I was below average at shool. And gues what - I didnt learn programming at school. And gues what - I WAS a good student until I realized that fulfilling other people expectations (parents, teachers) leads me nowhere. Standard school system is so wrong making perfect slaves. I feel sorry for children of a parents that believe in what lady slave master says. And promotimg this kind of narrative produces more and more despotic parents.
Exam design to test not just memorising skill but also problem solving skills. Everyone can memorise something but not everyone can excel in problem solving. To say that that exam doenst reveal who is the smartest is just not true.
This lady is correct in a lot of ways but I’m sure glad she isn’t my mom. She seems like the type of person who’d never be proud of me. Like even if she said she was I wouldn’t believe her.
So what she's saying is the people that get fours and fives who are struggling are still putting in the same amount of effort so they don't feel bad about themselves is that right
I think so.
This stuck out to me so much in this conversation and I tried to remember it after so I'm so glad you made it into a short!
Na, school should be about finding out what every kid is good at, then nourishing this to their pull potential.
Last two exams of university:
- i got a 18 on one, the lowest passing score. I was over the fucking moon. I had prepared for it, studied like hell, but the curriculum was huge, and the questions were objectively hard, and the professor was even more of a hardass. I had previously failed that same exam, and passing it was being above mount everest.
- I got a 29 (or 28?) in the last one. I was livid. I could have gotten a 30, the professor was basically telling me he couldn't because that other teacher got me that 18 and he couldn't go against his superior and give me a 30, but without saying it out loud. 28 or 29 is almost the maximum, and something to be very proud of.
But the number doesn matter. That 18 felt like a 30. That 29 felt like an 17.
Dont look at the number. Look at the journey.
In life, you can find purpose and dignity by working hard to achieve your own personal goals, your own personal vision.
The problem with school is that you get an arbitrary curriculum imposed into you. As a kid you are expected to follow it without question with little regard to your own interests and strengths.
Here is where agreeableness comes into play, as a kid, how willing are you to fulfill the purpose someone else is imposing on you (parents, teachers)? vs. following your own dreams and objectives
I spent all my time and focus on getting top grades in classes. I always got good grades. I also have moderate-to-severe dyslexia. It was never a concern to what the other students received, bit it took more work just too keep up with them than they ever put in. Doing this to this day, even at a dead-end, entry-level, manufacturing job, has gotten me nowhere in life. Some of us just don't know how to operate any other way than to push ourselves to destruction, with no tangible reward, simply because we won't be utilized to be truly constructive in our society.
Doing the best you can may be the most you can ever do. Until those people are identified and properly placed for maximum positive effect on any organization or part of society, it won't make any difference and is completely useless and more destructive than anything. Don't play the game.
Being 'dignified' isn't helpful to anyone. Find more to achieve than simply reaching objective achievements.
Except that those getting 4s and 5s are continuously reminded that they’re at the lower end of the distribution, resulting in markedly lower self esteem and subsequent feeling of purpose. This woman lives in a dreamworld.
Precisely!
The "education" system makes 80% of kids feel like theyre worthless or dumb and makes them think those who suckup hardest to the system are in charge and "the smart ones"... belief is incredibly powerful!
And her school children are doing better than any in the World. She knows what she’s doing.
Well that’s rubbish. Pupils getting 1s and 2s are the lower end. 4s and 5s is the middle percentile and it’s the attitude which she is socialising into those pupils which is so important not the score.
@@mrfr87 no, 4-5 is the middle of the point range, not the distribution. And sure, the attitude is what she is at, but if people are continuously and quantitatively told they suck at something society greatly values, it is not going to get across.
Those who get bad scores don’t care, not because they know they’re trying their best, but because they don’t care enough about school and grades to try.
I believe that a school has to create the right boundary conditions for kids to feel safe - to know that they will be socially accepted as they are - so that they dare to try to perform best - without fear of being excluded socially as a nerd. Without fear of what „their best trying“ might amount to. It is hard to accept that your best may only be a 5/9. I believe this can only be accepted if a school rewards and sees people on a broader scale. That they openly accredit value in more than just the exam grade dimension.
only economists think resources will last forever
I get the point shes making here, im just not 100 percent on board with her on this one.
Also down the line you might progress further than others when you find your strengths and careers.
its a nested structure. you want the ones who get 10's to lead, then 2nd rank 9's to lead the ones below them, then 3rd rand 8's and so on and so forth.
I know very wise people who did very poorly in the educational system. It is very American to stress about working hard. Relax and Enjoy Life!
Geeze she’s intense!
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Hands flying everywhere like shes having a seizure
She's not wrong in eternal.
She must be on a journey too with other diplomats in the educational faculty
good luck trying to get me to 'work like hell' at something i don't enjoy on the immediate level. didn't work when i was a kid, doesn't work now. i'm in my mid 40s and have never learned delayed gratification. maybe when i'm 50, the nhs will remember i'm on their waiting list for adhd assessment lol.
The comments here are really interesting. The position she states here is almost by definition one of the most valued and popular conservative ideas that conservatives usually hold, especially in regards to self-responsibility. The idea that grades and exams shouldnt be as important as they are is a very liberal and left wing idea, yet many here in the comments are seeming to prefer the latter. Reason probably being is many of the commenters here having been through school themselves recently and not doing as well as they would have liked to. I feel like this should make you think about why you hold the positions that you do, instead of suddenly adopting an incredibly left wing position just because life didnt work out for you the way you imagined.
I think you're applying 'right and left' rather inappropriately here. They're not distinct on how they view grades.
The entire reason for the modern educational system is 'compliance'. Based on the Prussian system in order to create an abundance of productive workers.
Virtually 95% of everything they teach you in the curriculum is a waste of time that gives no elasticity for habitual behavior. Nor will you use the knowledge in any practical application.
People have a problem with the system because it is in a state of failing efficacy. Not necessarily because people had bad grades.
Doing well on exams does not mean you are “cleverer” (!) more clever than others. This is so short-sighted.
tell that to the youtube millionaires. If you know what you are doing, you can make lots of money on youtube or social media and none of it is taught from school. School = 90% of ppl working jobs they hate and never wanted at minimum wage. Content creators = living your passions and dreams while making more money than 9-5 job.
I have come across alot of educated people in my 68 years on this planet! My conclusions are they are great at remembering stuff so very good repeater stations! They don't have critical thoughts! Not much common sence! They are told how and what to think! These people in general should not be listened to! Best to ignore them!
I have a saying that I taught my kids. How do you do anything is how you do everything.
While I appreciate her enthusiasm, doing well on your exams does not mean you will excel in life.
Putting all of your focus on schoolwork when you are a child will turn you into a paperwork-ridden obedient slave.
Could you imagine that would ever happen? Not even Jordan gets a word in.
School system is exactly that, a system. It does not work for everyone regardless of hard work.
I would work hard for something that matters…. When I was in school I always asked my teacher when I would use the information that was given… most of them couldn’t answer or worst got me punished…
Even if you make a mistake, a good thing can come from that. Just because you don't go to a private school does not mean you can't have opportunity in a public school. It's not where we go, it's who we meet along the way.
You can go to extremes in both directions. I tell some students to stop pushing themselves so hard. It can become pretty unhealthy and obsessive
I was a perfectionist and had to learn to let go a little.
Kids only want their phone. The phone is life. The phone tells me the truth!! The phone loves me!!
Why do people only listen to one another when they already agree with one another... this is so annoying. That's how echo chambers evolve
Why would I want the best I can get?
If i can get 100, but it costs me 50, i profit 50.
If i get 75, but it costs me 10, i profit 65.
In Jordan's schools kids are forced to eat only Beef
Who said doing well on exams was the measure of how clever someone is? I am surrounded by people who have advanced degrees. Guess who they call to help solve complex problems?😂 Getting good grades doesn’t equate to being successful in life.
On the one hand we need to do our children better when it comes to teaching them, hands on play is always going to be more effective than learning by rote, especially for young boys. But also if you look at what is going on at West Point: 60 percent of graduates fulfill their first term of service and then drop out of the military usually because they were pushed to become an officer by their parents and also because the United states military is beholden to the whims of our politicians. So while it's important for children to want to do the best they can in a test it's also important to work with them and understand why they're not interested in what they're learning. Everything can be interesting, it's just not been described interestingly enough.
But then hand out participation ribbons when it comes time to prove your metal
Literally being good at videogames is better and more meaningful than doing well on exams.
YOU GOTTA BE THE BEST SLAVE YOU CAN BE, NOT FOR YOUR SLAVEMASTER , BUT FOR YOURSELF! PUSH THAT ROCK UP THE HILL, AND WHEN IT FALLS DOWN, YOU PUSH IT RIGHT BACK UP THE HILL! APPLY YOURSELF
Exactly my Guy. If you're gonna do something be the Best for yourself first! Then and only then can you really help others in a meaningful way. 😊
There's a big difference between the type of person you are and the one I am.
Being good in videogames doesnt guarantee you any job
@jamesscottselfdefense47 I don't mind working for others. What I do mind is filling out paperwork for 8 hours a day for my entire childhood at taxpayer expense for a piece of paper that's somehow even more worthless than the US dollar.
Quit with the slave argument. Slave didnt get paid.
I completely understand her point. But when you are talking to children you need love not anger. Grades are so overrated. What is the point of being a person with a degree who hates life ?
Finding purpose in a grade at a school exam is so wrong.
How do you teach the kids who don’t have to work hard and still Ace the exams?
To be honest. I really actually wish I was raised by someone like this. I love my mom to death. But I wish she had been more authoritative over me. I made a lot of bad decisions that didn't seem like wrong decisions back then that held me back and I'm feeling the effect of them now because nobody was there to set me straight. Inform me.
Good common sense parenting. (She looks like Traci Ellis.)
Fact is education sucks, the fees are ridiculous, the curriculum is unnecessarily dense, the teachers are over worked and under paid, the students have no comprehension of the syllabus and the parents are fighting political battles to protect their children. This is global and shameful. Exams are fine hard work is also fine but to what end? A guy without a degree doesn't get a job even though he has the skills required for the job something he put the effort towards. Even if her point is valid its not well rounded. Best solution is to bring in large scale apprenticeship programs in trade, commerce, health, agriculture, service and technology sectors. Kids learn from application and its better than any stupid degree.
I can't speak for UK public schools, but I know that most schools in the world operate on a very outdated curriculum, I can tell you that most students who are 4's and 5's have just as much purpose as the 1's and 2's, they may even have more, that's why their grades are so poor. The purpose is given by a basic nationalistic culture. I can't speak for UK public schools, but I know that most schools in the world function based on a very outdated curriculum, I can tell you that most students who are 4s and 5s have just as many purposes as the 1s and 2s, they might have even more that is why their grades are so poor.
The purpose is given by a basic nationalist culture where family, teachers, and government send you signals about the purpose of your education, for most children however, the only entity that gives them any kind of guidance towards a purpose is the brain-rotting social media space....
Being a good student in a broken system does not result in a proportionally better life than those who decide to spend their time with their friends being junkies....that is both sad and a clear reason why the education system should be reformed since every country struggles with this issue.
This is the same garbage line of reasoning the education system has been pedaling for years but the way they’re choosing to do it has always been grotesque and much too thoughtless a process to sit here and claim such large claims. Too many holes to be poked in such a broad statement.
ماذا كنت تتوقع دكتور بيترسون حينما تكون في مواجهة مجتمعات سقطت اخلاقيا وتريدك ان تكون مطيعا لكل تغيير يحدث حتى وان كان ضد الفطرة السليمة التي خلق الله عليها الانسان ، من المحزن رؤية مستقبل مجتمعات لاتقبل الرأي المخالف بل حين يتكلم يهاجمه ويمنعه من الكلام لمجرد أنه لايتفق مع افكار الجندر اي كان رغم اعتراف الدكتور بيترسون بوجودهم لكن هذا لايكفي ، للتو انهيت رؤية الوثائقي الذي يتكلم عن الدكتور بيترسون وتذكرت لقاء تلفزيوني قديم يقول فيه الضيف: قررت الهجرة فيرد عليه صاحبه ولماذا فقال: لأن 🏳️🌈 قد تم تخفيف عقوبتها من الاعدام او الحرق الى عقوبات لا تذكر فيرد عليه صاحبه وما علاقة هذا بأنك تريد الهجرة فقال: سأهرب قبل أن تصبح ملزمة 😩
Ehh depends… if I’m taking a Genetics course going to school for software engineering then I’m going to do as little as humanely possible in that class and focus on well… software engineering. Graduating in 2 weeks baby 💯
They pay the intern to act like Biden, he’s gonna act like Biden dammit! I say give him a raise!
No joke!
Why is she angry??😢
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My daughter whos 14 gets good grades becauae she likes to compete with herself...she gets that from her step Dads example...he competes to beat his own records. She doesnt want to go to secondary ed because she wants to work for herself as Tatoo artist. Im encouraging her to take atleast a few buisness/economic courses and an alternative so she gives herself options. But she's pretty driven and has a dream board of when she intends to reach set goals.
So much of what she just said is plainly wrong. Her blind trust in the school system and institutions is comical
If your essential aim is to be the best and at the top of your class, what is it that you wish for the rest of your classmates? Is there a slight chance that you'll ever help anyone to excel in any discipline?
You therefore have failed as a human and that makes the world a nasty place
Purpose of exams to see if you insane enough to grind your teeth for several months just to pass exams good trying to learn and remember absolute garbage that will never ever be useful in real life and real jobs
She's very passionate about something she experienced herself decades ago and now knows nothing about. School sucks for anyone who isn't a bully or a computer. My advice to any students still stuck in that pit is to rip whatever knowledge you can from these clowns and then find a creative way to self-employ, because otherwise you end up slaving for gung-ho "team player" drill sergeants like this lady.
Yes!!!
What is wrong with her??? She is angry😂
On that i dont agree. My parents were working like dogs 12 hours per Day, we were poor financially, to what little time they had left they wanted to see me and play with me cook . No time to check the school studies. But i indestood our position from young age and i ask them for a pc to learn something. In the end im not rich or a millionaire but i have a great wife a great daughter and a software developer lore. I theink they did good my parents with whst they had
This needs German subtitles.
I worked alot for my results at school since elementary up to junior high
What a waste of
Thanks!
How dare she suggest that people have innate inescapable differences such as IQ
Next thing you know she will start saying that gender is a fixed reality.
Because better grades might mean more money and power in your future?
I feel like she's speaking basic common sense but the the manner she's delivering her message makes it feels shes saying something profound- which she is not. I get she's passionate but this is so unnecessary. Makes her look like loony left.
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Okay
Thank god she's not my Mom
High school is a drama school joke
a student needs 70% to pass in post secondary school.. so if 70% is the same as 100% .. as in you pass either way.. why bother getting the highest grade?
No employer that I know of asks what mark did you achieve?
A journey man’s trade ticker doesn’t state the marks. Unless the tradesman is going to University for a high level of education..
Then marks may actually have some muscle
Just my opinion after my experiences with union, non union & military career
A pass is pass as long as the minimum 70% is achieved
So why are you angry?! If u got only 40% out of bhard work you change the subject which you can handle. Atleast you know what you can not handle by working hardon them.
Eh, memorizing and regurgitating information that has minimal significance to what you intend to do with your life’s ambitions has de minimus value. Better to analyze the information being propagated upon you and store it for future application all while not concerning yourself with proving your ability to repeat what is worthless to you for your propagandist.
I’ve yet to hear a billionaire cite their ability to parrot information as a key to their successful endeavors.
In fact, there are countless examples of the most successful, by any metric of your choosing, doing poorly in school.
She's way too aggressive
She hasn't been to school in a long time huh😅
More clever or more obediant?
Word salad. She didn’t say a damned thing. “You want to work hard and do your best…even if you’re not as “clever” as the actual smart kids….😂😂” Yeah and I guarantee after busting hump for weeks for an exam and still getting 4s and 5s time after time that ambition will be long gone and the kid will be driving a truck instead of designing a truck. 😂
well if this is the message the heated way of sharing it is not it.