Lita Ford's "Dangerous Curves" from 1991 is her best album! It's kind of sad, but a lot of so-called '1980s bands' made their best albums in the difficult 1990s.
1990 to 1993 was an amazing era for new interesting bands. Saigon Kick, Galactic Cowboys, Dream Theater, Love/Hate, Badlands, Extreme, Temple of the Dog … It was a period of transition with tons of talent, virtuosity and creativity but unfortunately as always only a few winners ( Grunge).
7:21 What a great show and killer picks! Other bands that come to mind in the same circumstances are Blue Murder, Tora Tora, Warrant, Jetboy, Faster Pussycat, Bad English, Vixen, Danger Danger, Shotgun Messiah, Giant, Dangerous Toys, House Of Lords, Great White, Junkyard, XYZ, Bang Tango, Kingdom Come, Electric Boys, Saraya!!!
I think the reason these albums and bands survived was that they were hair metal in name only. They were well written and performed, with more honest songwriting.
@@lordcharlesthomas They did some different things for sure but also many of their songs in the 90's didn't sound that much different than what they were doing before.
@@andrewcarr5923I never really considered Bon Jovie to be metal at all... Just pop music with unusually heavy guitars, but of course even that got toned with each passing album.
I love glam, hair metal/cock rock but the genre did need a break by the 90s. I also loved grunge and all that. Bring it all on. Spread Eagle White Lion - Mane Attraction Tesla - Psychotic Supper/Bust a Nut( Brian Wheats book is worth a read if you re a Tesla fan)
Damn read my mind \m/ Big Soundgarden and 90's fan but both Spread Eagle records, all the Saigon Kick albums, War Babies, Heavy Bones, defs Bust A Nut to list just a few but all essential and could've should've survived and thrived the 90's scene.
I remember buying Nevermind in 91 thinking this was another extension of hard rock music. Didn’t realize it would eliminate a lot of my favorite bands.
It didn’t. It was the music industry that turned the bands like Nirvana into just another trend they could easily discard once the next big scene came along. It wasn’t your fault.
The annoying thing about the 90's alternative craze is that most mainstream 80's rock groups were objectively more talented than the 90's ones. 2nd and even 3rd tier 80's style rock groups are a lot more interesting and entertaining than some of the 1st tier 90's groups.
@@ryanjacobson2508 yep. as much as the "cool kids" liked to mock them for their lack of talent, the vast majority of those bands could play rings around 99% of the grunge bands.
@@ryanjacobson2508 Non musicians dont care about who can play and sing better than so and so. Thats a hang up that musicians seem to have. A average 14 yr old Nirvana fan in 1991 didnt care that the members of Warrant and Slaughter were better musicians.. Thats some nerd shit right there.
3 bands I was looking forward to carrying music into the 1990's from the late 80's(starting around 1989) were Mr. Big, Extreme, Bonham, and Badlands. I loved all the debut albums of these bands. I would also mention Mr Big's 3rd album "Bump Ahead." that came out within a week or two of Pearl Jam's second album. Love your lists on this one. Martin, thanks for singling out the second Bonham album. As a drummer myself, I loved Jason's playing on this second album.
Great White - Hooked - 1991 LA Guns - Hollywood Vampires - 1991 Mr Big - Lean into it and Bump Ahead - 1991 / 1993 Hardline - Double Eclipse -1992 Alice Cooper - Hey Stoopid - 1991 Van Halen - F.U.C.K - 1991 XYZ - Hungry - 1991 David Lee Roth - Little Ain't Enough - 1991 Extreme - 3 sides - 1992 GnR - Use your Illusion 1 & 2 - 1991 Tesla - Psychotic Supper & Bust A nut - 1991 / 1994 Badlands - Voodoo Highway - 1991 There was a lot of good music in this time period for guys like me that wasn't into the whole grunge scene (except for Pearl Jam Ten)
Winger - Pull Danger Danger - Screw It Poison - Native Tongue Motley Crue - Motley Crue All great and criminally underrated albums released in or after 91
@@davidmitchell6873 Not particularly a fan of Poison but I do like Winger and I think your assessment of them and comparison to Poison is way off the mark. Winger are superb musicians. Pull is a terrific album. Winger also put out their excellent 7th album last year and are still going strong. I would suggest you actually listen to Winger's albums rather than watch Beavis & Bhead cartoons.
For sure man! Even the third album (name is blanking but it's the Love Is A Dangerous Thing album), also really dig those final two albums, PrimeTime and O2... My first favorite band
My picks: Killer Dwarfs - Method To The Madness 1992 Lynch Mob - s/t 1992 Faster Pussycat - Whipped 1992 L.A. Guns - Hollywood Vampires 1991 Junkyard - Sixes Sevens and Nines 1991 Tora Tora - Wild America 1992
Excited for the new show tomorrow!!! I love how much music your channel has introduced me to over the past few years. It might not get the amount of views or likes as some of your other shows, but its very much appreciated by many of us!
Agree Martin on "Revenge", Gene and Paul did get revenge. Great return to form (best they had done since "Creatures"). They had a pulse on which direction the winds were blowing in the hard rock business.
Other bands carrying the "glam metal" torch into the 90's... Dirty Looks - Five Easy Pieces ('92), Chewing on the Bit ('94), One Bad Leg ('95), Slave to the Machine ('96) Vain - All Those Strangers ('91), Move On It ('93), Fade ('95) D.A.D. - Riskin It All ('91), Helpyourselfish ('95), Simpatico ('97) Roxx Gang - The Voodoo You Love ('95)
Great White - Hooked Warrant - Dog Eat Dog Cry of Love - Brother Brother Cane ST Freak of Nature ST Scorpions - Face the Heat Mr. Big - Bump Ahead Heavy Bones ST Tyketto - Don't Come Easy Saxon - Solid Ball of Rock House of Lords - Demons Down The Scream - Let It Scream Blue Murder - Nothin But Trouble Lillian Axe - Poetic Justice
Here is what I saw as a young single guy in 91. It was all fashion inspired music. Most of the normal girls started listening to the Def Lepard version of country music and the more extreme girls went towards what would become Industrial metal. Guys followed.
Some of my favorite albums of the genre are from 1992 or later such as Saints & Sinners (from Canada), Under the Influence (Wildside), and Fear No Evil (Slaughter; One of the best of the genre). Oh also I don’t think Enuff Z’Nuff is a glam metal band. They had the production but their songwriting is fundamentally not very glam. They’re a power pop band. I would also throw in Danger Danger and Hurricane. Hurricane were playing large theater and arena shows in 1992. FireHouse also kept having hits and a huge fan base into the mid 90s
Under The Influence is one of my top ten "hair" albums overall. I don't consider that term unsavory at all, either. I was pretty damn proud of my hair at the time!
@@gwts1171 ‘Hair metal’ has often been used as a derogatory term to deride the genre. I don’t really mind it, but I don’t like using it. I much prefer glam metal because it fits the bands a lot more. I’ve got long, poofy, wavy hair that looks like I always have hair spray!
Early on Enuff Z'Nuff were certainly qualified as being glam metal as they dressed the part to the hilt similar to Poison On the terminology of the use of "Hair Metal" I've always used "Commercial Hard Rock" or "Melodic Metal" more than Glam or Sleaze unless the makeup and fashion they wore was overpowering But nonetheless Enuff Z'Nuff should have been a multi platinum sensation I'd also put TNT in that multi platinum should haves too , Le Tekro and Harnell are fantastic songwriters as great as Vie and Chip
Great show! I would also add Southgang to the discussion. They produced two excellent hair metal albums in the early-1990s---Tainted Angel and Group Therapy.
I love the mention of Firehouse, it was the band that first sparked my love of music... in 2009, when I was five years old and got an old MP3 player from my dad. Along with Poison and Bon Jovi my youngling years were complete lol
Some of the better bands today playing this style are CRASHDIET, HARDCORE SUPERSTAR, CRAZY LIXX or JOLLY JOKER. And yes, lot of good albums in this style came our during the 90s. SLAUGHTER is a great exemple. A 90s band. FIREHOUSE too, an other 90s band but sounding 80s. Second BATON ROUGE album was really good too. The debut by VINCE NEIL super. STEELHEART super too and the second BABYLON AD or SARAYA from the 90s are great albums. Good show.
It’s on my “wish it would get a vinyl pressing” wish list. I even told Thomas McRocklin from the band that it should get a reissue on vinyl. He actually agreed!
Just can’t get enough of this estupendos duo. Glam metal has never been a topic on this channel, at least since I subscribed back in 2019… a White Lion ranking with Lynn, a collab with Hack on Skid Row, some Cinderella and Leppard here and there, but that’s about it… but this lately insertion in the genre has captivated me, because glam metal is the genre on which I came to listen/know/understand music, back in 86-87 when I was 9-10 years old. Very cool that Pete has embraced this series with his partner in crime… looking forward to more stuff! Perhaps an episode honoring some underdogs or obscure bands from that era? Cheers guys, you are the best!!!
@@seaoftranquilityprog very very true! Stryper was with Catino I think! Thanks for your reply Pete! Rock on and Prog on! You are doing a fantastic job, cheers!! 🍻
@aelfredrex8354 cool. I'll check it out. Thanks! How about this one? Santa Cruz? The album Screaming For Adrenaline is an absolute monster. I did not like any of their follow up stuff and the band broke up. I think the lead singer was a handful....either way, "Screaming for Adrenaline" is amazing.
Cheers Pete & Martin, Gotta say I was not a huge ‘Grunge’ fan and I from Seattle. Pear Jam has sucked since their second album, Nirvana had on good album. Mudhoney was bellow average garage band. However, Soudgarden and Alice In Chains (my favorite band during the early 90’s) kick ass over all the bands you listed.
How did they not talk about "Hungry" by XYZ?? Also, you might want to check out Retrospect Records and Demon Doll records - they reissue a lot of good glam/hair metal by bands that were pretty much overlooked from the 80s thru 90s!
I LOVED 😍 🥰 ♥️ this show fellas - I grew up as a teenager as many of these AMAZING records came out. And bought them. And saw the tours.... LOVE #LOVE/HATE so much - what a.mindblowing record #wastedinAmerica is.... One thing you forgot (which would be my #1 / #2 along with Love/Hate) - is Saigon Kick's 'The 🦎 Lizard'... that record was an upgrade on the debut, psychedelic, Beatles-y, heavy, riffy and just had some shit hot songs. Still play it today !!!
As usual another great show and discussion. You could also perhaps add the Motherland album to the Bonham discography. Honored to have had Martin talk about Wasted In America on my channel. Such a good album but I think the quality of the music being released at the time had nothing to do with hair metals lack of success post 1991.
Babylon AD, Heavens Edge, and Hurricane come to minds as really solid bands that might have been a little late to the party and not promoted properly. 🎸
The thing about Prisoners in Paradise is they actually wrote a whole different album (which you can actually find the demos of) but the record label didn't like it so they basically started it over again.
According to the band, Prisoners didn't sell 'cause the band didn't tour after the Final C. The label preferred them to write and put up a new album instead of gaining a loyal fanbase via touring (in the US, especially).
I never got too much into hair metal, the exception being Motley Crue, Skid Row, Twisted Sister, and Quiet Riot. The last two mainly do to their videos when I was 9 or 10 yrs. old. I discovered extreme metal at age 15 in 1989. Death metal took over from thrash, for me. I will always be an Iron. Maiden fan. In 1990 I fist heard Black Sabbath and am a big fan to this day. I pretty much stopped listening to death metal in 1995, and switched to classic rock. Now I have as much knowledge about music as these two gentlemen who talk about music. Some genres I know more about then they do, as they don't talk about Blues, Big Band, Jazz, or Classic Country.
Great video! Did you guys discover that hair metal content gets clicks? I love it! Keep it up please. Maybe rank favorite hair metal singers, guitarists, albums, songs, lyrics, etc
Another solid show guys, thanks! Skid Row Slave to the Grind was a fave of mine when it came out. Subhuman Race is another really good record. I still listen to them.
Enuff Z'Nuff were great right up until they made the big changes a few years back. This is also an excuse for me to mention one of my favorite ever albums - T-Ride (self-titled). Also, I REALLY like the Dokken album from last year. It was my #11 album of 2023. Skid Row's "Subhuman Race" was a good time, too. I keep coming back to add more here. - Warrant "Dog Eat Dog" is their best album, in my opinion.
I don't think was grunge who killed hair and trash metal artistically. I'd say alternative metal, industrial and post hardcore was responsable. Things like Helmet, Ministry, NIN, Rollins Band, Fugazi, Girls against boys, KMDMF, 90s Killing Joke, Neurosis, Kyuss, Faith No More, Rage Against the Machne and Jane´s Addiction blew my mind back in the day.
Good interesting topic. Regarding the title, if hair metal didn't die in 1991 it certainly did by 1994. That becomes apparent with the dismall album chart positions cited throughout the video. It's interesting Pete that you have Winger up near the top of your list. In 1995 I was visiting my cousin in Sault Ste. Marie Canada. We were downtown heading to the Princess which was a decent sized bar that was originally built as a movie theater. On our way we walked by a much smaller bar; maybe a 50 seater. Anyway on the window there was a sign announcing that Winger was playing there. We couldn't make up our minds as to whether or not this could possibly be the same Winger that was hugely popular just a few short years before. To this day, I still don't know. But when you think back to how adruptly the door was closed on the old guard it wouldn't surprise me. If anyone is in the know please tell me.
Commercial Hard Rock was still very much alive in 1992 though on borrowed time, by '93 the only new non-grunge commercial hard rock band that I'm aware of that was signed to a major label was The Graveyard Train on Geffen records Once The Headbangers Ball was cancelled out of the blue in January '95 and later in Europe in '97 then the final nail was driven in Only in Japan and parts of South East Asia like The Philippines Thailand Indonesia and Malaysia was commercial Hard Rock still popular to any real degree and maybe parts of South America too
I was in grade 12 when the whole Grunge thing hit. Never seen anything like it before or since. One week people are wearing Poison and Motley Crue shirts, the next, flannel and Doc Martens. My friends and I were more into Anthrax, Megadeth, Metallica, and Slayer at the time but even we got into the fashion and the bands. I was a closeted Hair/Glam guy too (loved Danger Danger, Slaughter, Trixter et al) and took a lot of flak for it like a good sport. For about a year or so I think all of this stuff more or less co-existed for the most part, but by '93 Grunge/Alternative had fully taken over. About the only Hair/Glam bands to survive were G'nR, Def Leppard, Bon Jovi, and Aerosmith. Personally I feel the whole shift was really due to industry machinations. For whatever reasons, be it personal, $$$, or industry politics, the suits decided that all of those great Hard Rock acts had to go, and they shot them down at the knees. It's no surprise in retrospect that ever since then popular music has become ever more tightly controlled and spoonfed to the masses from the corporate powers that be. That was the end game all along: find, exploit, and push a trend so big it wipes away everything that came before it, and then contrive and control subsequent followup trends until noone in the general public has any independence of taste beyond what's fed to them. Thus Grunge morphs into Alternative, Hip-hop and Boy/Girl bands come along and quickly merge with Alternative to become New Punk, and all eventually blur together to become the faceless, soulless mess that is modern Radio Pop. And as ever, only Metal and Prog continue to exist in their own worlds off in the musical hinterlands.
@@sonusworld666 I get what you mean dude, and to be honest I'm not actually a fan of the words 'Hair' or 'Glam' to describe any of these bands either. But when you're trying to make a generalized point that largely encompasses that overall era of music, like it or not those are the terms most people associate with it. Doesn't matter to them if it's Poison or Dangerous Toys. Bon Jovi or Kik Tracee. Its just an easy way of communicating in broad strokes.
@@ciaranmeeks9431 What am trying to say is bands like Van Halen, Def Leppard and Guns N Roses are Hard Rock bands, calling them glam is not done , even Whitesnake for that matter, though they were influenced by that scene a lot in the mid to late 80’s . What say ? Wrong categorization
Minute 17:46 Pete, you could not be more wrong: "After the third album: That was it for FireHouse!" Man, get you facts straight! America is not the epicenter of the world! FireHouse did continue to play in the nineties to HUGE Audiences in Japan, Thailand, The Philipines, India, Indonesia and Malaysia! Just because nobody reported in the US, so most people don't know, FireHouse continued to tour in a lot of states in Asia, for example a sold out show for 40.000 people in India! ( see wikipedia entry: *"The band's first Indian date, in Shillong when the Maharaja of Tripura Kirit Pradyot Deb Burman invited them, took place in front of a sold out stadium crowd of over 40,000, setting a record for that city."* ) I have myself seen couple of albums in Japan from the band I have never seen in the western world. And of course I've seen them being bootleged in Thailand, too, and only stuff that is popular there, will be bootlegged and sold on the streets.
It wasnt dead by 1995. 1997 was the year it unofficially died. 1996 had Soundgarden, Pearl Jam, STP albums and AIC Unplugged. That year was the last hurrah.
@@Chaz4543 Superunknown 6 times platinum, Down on the Upside platinum. It was dead. Remember Motley Crue st album went gold in 1994 and glam metal was dead by that time .
@@AlexDizzys It was not dead by 1995. In 1996 all those albums had songs that were on the radio and MTV. They sold less than those bands previous records but they were still popular.
Cinderella "Still Climbing" 1994. Absolutely Awesome. And how Wild Side's "Under the Influence" didnt explode is beyond me. Also QUIET RIOT didnt stop, they had a few albums in the 90' and Guily Pleasures in the 2000's
Lots of rabbit holes dived down after watching this - have bought a couple of Tesla albums. I always loved Love Hate and Badlands ( Martin got me into Badlands from one of his books many years ago ) bought the records off the back of that.
From the inception of this show I've always appreciated Martins loyalty and championing of bands from Canada, its a hit and miss affair but I've added quite a few Popoff recommendations to my collection.
I was just thinking while watching this what Canadian bands came out that could be considered Hair or Glam Metal. Brighton Rock, Harem Scarem, and Slik Toxik come to mind as well as Lee Aaron's "Bodyrock".
it's a canadian law that if you don't love, nor champion, every canadian band that ever lived, then you will lose your justin trudeau fan club membership and the taste of maple syrup will automatically become like arsenic to your tongue. you also receive a lifetime ban to every tim horton's.
Queensryche-Promised Land (1994) is a great listen almost 30 years later. Very overlooked. It is melodic, moody in a good way, with prog elements. Very thinking man's metal, some heavy moments with "Damaged". "Lady Jane" is probably the best track on it and "My Global Mind" and "Someone Else?" up there too.
Great topic gentlemen! This type of music has never left, but just went underground in the States. Just look to Europe and it's still being made and well in 2024.
Personally I never stopped listening to this kind of music, even when Grunge hit...music is always evolving. I tend to listen to what I like regardless of what's hip at the time.
I'd say it didn't die, it just went into hiding to europe; there's bands like Crazy Lixx, Nestor, Eclipse that keep doing a very good type of current Glam/Hair "Metal" (NeoGlam maybe?) Thanks 🍺🤘!
I'm surprised neither of you mentioned Van Halen. Both of their 90's Van Hagar albums did big business. I think that had they not split with Sammy, they would have continued to put out good material. It would have at least saved us from the Van Halen III debacle. Aerosmith also did really well during this time. Get a Grip came out in 1993, and it was huge. You can also count Slaughter as one of those assembled bands. Mark Slaughter and Dana Strum formed the band after walking away from the Vinnie Vincent Invasion, which can also be called an assembled band as well. I've always had a special place in my heart for Slaughter. Stick It to Ya was one of the very first hard rock cassettes I'd ever bought with my own money. I've heard that Damn Yankees did have a third album in the works, but the record label didn't want any part of it, and they paid the band to drop their contract. I also remember hearing stories back in the day that Damn Yankees tried to substitute Damon Johnson from Brother Cane in place of Ted Nugent.
Tommy Shaw and Ted Nugent clashed with egos and politically on opposite ends. Don't Tread flopped and was released when Alice in Chains' Dirt was released around the same time and trashed the competition, even Roger Waters' Amused to Death didn't stand a chance.
I'm going to preface this list by saying that I don't think that all of these bands are "hair metal," but they've been lumped together as such, often by lesser minds. Alphabetically: Badlands - Voodoo Highway (1991) Britny Fox - Bite Down Hard (1991) BulletBoys - Freakshow (1991) Cinderella - Still Climbing (1994) Dirty Looks - Bootlegs (1991) Faster Pussycat - Whipped! (1992) Guns N' Roses - Use Your Illusion I (1991) Guns N' Roses - Use Your Illusion II (1991) Skid Row - Slave to the Grind (1991) Tesla - Psychotic Supper (1991) W.A.S.P. - The Crimson Idol (1992)
Great discussion. Hair/Glam metal didn't go away and prefer the glam metal term but it just receded in my view. Some worthy mentions are Trixter with Hear Kingdom Come with Hands Of Time Phantom Blue with Built To Perform Saraya with When The Blackbird Sings.
Tyketto were unlucky. They had the songs, the musicianship, the look and - most of all - the wonderful voice of Danny Vaughn - However, their debut was left on the shelf for a year or so and they were essentially left on the starting block.
While I don't these bands as hair metal, they did get lumped in with the pile: honorable mention belongs to the following: First, the band TNT. Even though their first 1990s decade album (Realized Fantasies) was arguably their weakest and least-even collection, the band has soldiered on and never tried to make a grungy album, bucking to the trends. I would also say Jake E. Lee's BADLANDS, with their release of Voodoo Highway in 1991 as well (glad you mentioned this PETE)!!. 1992, Open to the Public was released by SPREAD EAGLE who also stayed true to themselves, even if by the time that record came out it was the last gasp of the genre for a while.
Great subject guys. Agree “Hair Metal “ , if there ever was such a thing never died. I think at the time “Metal” had passed it’s zenith of NWOBHM and had become normal. As stated GnR and others changed their image to suit contemporary tastes but when Grunge hit I think labels couldn’t see past the “new” thing and therefore other established music was left behind, leaving legacy bands to carry the flag until the “new” music was absorbed into the general scheme of things. As Mr Reid says on UK connection, broadcasts of Rock music in UK was/is very arbitrary and unless you went to rock clubs or listened at home there wasn’t much alternative to the Seattle sound so unfortunately some excellent bands went I listened to 🤘🏻
Funny, the so called “pop metal” scene from the eighties kind of peaked in the period 89-92… it’s like all these bands needed to prove their merits one final time. And they did!! 1992 is absolutely my preferred year for MHR genre 🙌🏻♥️🎸
Commercial Heavy/Hard Rock was still strongly hanging in there in '92 although on borrowed time , my feeling(naively)was that grunge in that particular year was just a new sub genre or a dirty(hair)extension of "glam/sleaze" existing side by side with the other non-grunge bands whose videos by the way were still being prominently played on MTV In 1993 the last New Non-Grunge commercial hard rock band signed to a major label that I'm aware of was The Graveyard Train on Geffen Records Like Pardo and Popoff point out Bands like Warrant Poison Tesla and Jackyl were still able to go Gold in the U.S. from '92 to '94 , but after that they no longer could , wheater or not still signed to a major label Two Atlantic Records signed bands Skid Row's Subhuman Race album in '95 was only successful in Japan as was Mr.Big's subsequent albums after going Platinum in the States in '91 On a side note Firehouse were particularly successful throughout pretty much all of the '90s not just in Japan but in other Asian markets(Philippines Thailand Indonesia and Malaysia)as well while still signed to major labels Epic/Sony as late as '96 The really Big Bands allowed to still be highly successful throughout the '90s were Bon Jovi , Def Leppard and Motley Crue because they already had a huge fan base built up years before In my teenage MTV daze it all blew up big in '83 with Quiet Riot "Cum on Feel the Noize" with the very peak years being '87 - '89(I think i have just about every Metal Hammer and RIP Magazine from those 3yrs) By '93 it was running on fumes with the ultimate final nail in the coffin being the unannounced cancellation of The Headbangers Ball with Riki Rachtman in January '95 only staying alive in Europe till '97 After that the post 2000s till present is just pure nostalgia 🥲
Glam metal didn't die, I just went away for a decade to a decade and a half, and then it returned in full force (almost). What still needs work is for the genre to be given its rightful place in the story of classic rock and, for the overall, general accepted animosity towards the genre and the bands to be restricted to personal acquired taste.
Some favorites
Dangerous Toys- Hellacious Acres 1991
Winger- Pull 1993
Warrant- Dog Eat Dog 1992
Kik Tracee-No Rules 1991
Bulletboys-Freakshow 1991
LA Guns- Hollywood Vampires 1991
Everyone of those is a winner. Great releases.
Lita Ford's "Dangerous Curves" from 1991 is her best album! It's kind of sad, but a lot of so-called '1980s bands' made their best albums in the difficult 1990s.
Tyketto - Don't Come Easy (1991)
Vince Neil's Exposed with Steve Stevens shredding like a madman.
Shotgun Messiah - Second Coming (1991).
Shotgun Messiah - Violent New Breed (1993).
Blue Murder - Nothin' But Trouble (1993).
Tesla IMHO is not a "hair metal" band. They were much more a classic rock and hard rock band closer to the 70's like Bad Company type.
That's what I was going to point out. They always had that 70s vibe going on in their music.
@@JoeChewBacaprobably because of their cover of the 70's song Signs
I would include these:
Warrant - Dog Eat Dog
Tora Tora - Wild America
Definitely
IMO, Dog Eat Dog is Warrant’s best album and it’s not even close. Didn’t have to skip one song.
Both are great albums that I still listen to.
Dog Eat Dog would have been my 1 or 2 but slave to the grind was listed at least. Those are probably my top 2.
Good choices. Two great records. I'd had Vince Neil's Exposed
1990 to 1993 was an amazing era for new interesting bands. Saigon Kick, Galactic Cowboys, Dream Theater, Love/Hate, Badlands, Extreme, Temple of the Dog …
It was a period of transition with tons of talent, virtuosity and creativity but unfortunately as always only a few winners ( Grunge).
Galactic Cowboys! What a great band, especially live.
@brianwacker9111 still around too and possibly making a new record soon...
The Cult-Ceremony. Bombastic album with great lengthy tracks and still some sing-along radio-friendly choruses. Great album.
Cheers.
7:21 What a great show and killer picks! Other bands that come to mind in the same circumstances are Blue Murder, Tora Tora, Warrant, Jetboy, Faster Pussycat, Bad English, Vixen, Danger Danger, Shotgun Messiah, Giant, Dangerous Toys, House Of Lords, Great White, Junkyard, XYZ, Bang Tango, Kingdom Come, Electric Boys, Saraya!!!
I think the reason these albums and bands survived was that they were hair metal in name only. They were well written and performed, with more honest songwriting.
Salty Dog,Sea Hags,Johnny Crash,Flies on Fire,Wild Side,Bang Tango,Princess Pang,Dirty Blonde
Martin's comments on King's X, Dug Pinnick SPOT ON... Couldn't have said it better myself...
44:36 Wingers new album "Seven" is fantastic. There are 3 videos for the new album on UA-cam. I personnely love Proud Desperado
Bon Jovi is the best example of a band that didn't get hurt by the 90's. They continued to be very successful throughout the decade and even beyond.
Yes but they certainly weren't playing 'hair metal' in the 90s, or even hard rock for that matter
@@lordcharlesthomas They did some different things for sure but also many of their songs in the 90's didn't sound that much different than what they were doing before.
Aerosmith too, who had a career resurgence in the late 80s and it continued into the 90s
Yes but they more or less morphed into a pop rock band as John and his hairdresser chased mainstream chart domination.
@@andrewcarr5923I never really considered Bon Jovie to be metal at all... Just pop music with unusually heavy guitars, but of course even that got toned with each passing album.
I love glam, hair metal/cock rock but the genre did need a break by the 90s. I also loved grunge and all that. Bring it all on.
Spread Eagle
White Lion - Mane Attraction
Tesla - Psychotic Supper/Bust a Nut( Brian Wheats book is worth a read if you re a Tesla fan)
Damn read my mind \m/
Big Soundgarden and 90's fan but both Spread Eagle records, all the Saigon Kick albums, War Babies, Heavy Bones, defs Bust A Nut to list just a few but all essential and could've should've survived and thrived the 90's scene.
I remember buying Nevermind in 91 thinking this was another extension of hard rock music. Didn’t realize it would eliminate a lot of my favorite bands.
It didn’t. It was the music industry that turned the bands like Nirvana into just another trend they could easily discard once the next big scene came along. It wasn’t your fault.
The annoying thing about the 90's alternative craze is that most mainstream 80's rock groups were objectively more talented than the 90's ones. 2nd and even 3rd tier 80's style rock groups are a lot more interesting and entertaining than some of the 1st tier 90's groups.
@@ryanjacobson2508 yep. as much as the "cool kids" liked to mock them for their lack of talent, the vast majority of those bands could play rings around 99% of the grunge bands.
and sterlize rock from that point forward.
@@ryanjacobson2508 Non musicians dont care about who can play and sing better than so and so. Thats a hang up that musicians seem to have. A average 14 yr old Nirvana fan in 1991 didnt care that the members of Warrant and Slaughter were better musicians.. Thats some nerd shit right there.
3 bands I was looking forward to carrying music into the 1990's from the late 80's(starting around 1989) were Mr. Big, Extreme, Bonham, and Badlands. I loved all the debut albums of these bands. I would also mention Mr Big's 3rd album "Bump Ahead." that came out within a week or two of Pearl Jam's second album. Love your lists on this one. Martin, thanks for singling out the second Bonham album. As a drummer myself, I loved Jason's playing on this second album.
What hurt 'Hair Metal " bands was that if one only knew of their power ballads , this was an injustice to their other material.
Good point. Their true heavy metal tracks should have been pushed more.
Great White - Hooked - 1991
LA Guns - Hollywood Vampires - 1991
Mr Big - Lean into it and Bump Ahead - 1991 / 1993
Hardline - Double Eclipse -1992
Alice Cooper - Hey Stoopid - 1991
Van Halen - F.U.C.K - 1991
XYZ - Hungry - 1991
David Lee Roth - Little Ain't Enough - 1991
Extreme - 3 sides - 1992
GnR - Use your Illusion 1 & 2 - 1991
Tesla - Psychotic Supper & Bust A nut - 1991 / 1994
Badlands - Voodoo Highway - 1991
There was a lot of good music in this time period for guys like me that wasn't into the whole grunge scene (except for Pearl Jam Ten)
While this is true it was the last wave before the meteor lit up the sky if you weren’t a Grunge band or a Death Metal band.
Great album choices.
That War Babies album is Excellent
Winger - Pull
Danger Danger - Screw It
Poison - Native Tongue
Motley Crue - Motley Crue
All great and criminally underrated albums released in or after 91
Agreed
Would also put Dog Eat Dog by Warrant and Cinderella's Still Climbing.
@@davidmitchell6873 Not particularly a fan of Poison but I do like Winger and I think your assessment of them and comparison to Poison is way off the mark.
Winger are superb musicians. Pull is a terrific album. Winger also put out their excellent 7th album last year and are still going strong. I would suggest you actually listen to Winger's albums rather than watch Beavis & Bhead cartoons.
@@jimmycampbell78 he has never heard more than a couple of songs from either band. guaranteed.
I really love Firehouse debut and Hold Your Fire. Excellent stuff. 🤘
For sure man! Even the third album (name is blanking but it's the Love Is A Dangerous Thing album), also really dig those final two albums, PrimeTime and O2... My first favorite band
I would add Salty Dog - Every Dog Has Its Day 1990. Great sounding CD.
You guys killed it on this one. One of your best Martin and Pete.
Good discussion Martin and Pete!
Slughter is a great example of a band that lived past 1991 there is also skid row and firehouse
My picks:
Killer Dwarfs - Method To The Madness 1992
Lynch Mob - s/t 1992
Faster Pussycat - Whipped 1992
L.A. Guns - Hollywood Vampires 1991
Junkyard - Sixes Sevens and Nines 1991
Tora Tora - Wild America 1992
Excited for the new show tomorrow!!! I love how much music your channel has introduced me to over the past few years. It might not get the amount of views or likes as some of your other shows, but its very much appreciated by many of us!
Agree Martin on "Revenge", Gene and Paul did get revenge. Great return to form (best they had done since "Creatures"). They had a pulse on which direction the winds were blowing in the hard rock business.
Aww man. You missed my favorite, Warrant - Dog Eat Dog from 1992. It is a perfect album imo.
theres a podcast decibel geek that just did a two hour show on warrant
They forgot em!
Other bands carrying the "glam metal" torch into the 90's...
Dirty Looks - Five Easy Pieces ('92), Chewing on the Bit ('94), One Bad Leg ('95), Slave to the Machine ('96)
Vain - All Those Strangers ('91), Move On It ('93), Fade ('95)
D.A.D. - Riskin It All ('91), Helpyourselfish ('95), Simpatico ('97)
Roxx Gang - The Voodoo You Love ('95)
Dirty Looks is awesome
Great White - Hooked
Warrant - Dog Eat Dog
Cry of Love - Brother
Brother Cane ST
Freak of Nature ST
Scorpions - Face the Heat
Mr. Big - Bump Ahead
Heavy Bones ST
Tyketto - Don't Come Easy
Saxon - Solid Ball of Rock
House of Lords - Demons Down
The Scream - Let It Scream
Blue Murder - Nothin But Trouble
Lillian Axe - Poetic Justice
Tesla and Cinderella stand out from your picks for me. The former are still around and touring in '24. Saw them both twice back in the day.
Here is what I saw as a young single guy in 91. It was all fashion inspired music. Most of the normal girls started listening to the Def Lepard version of country music and the more extreme girls went towards what would become Industrial metal. Guys followed.
Some of my favorite albums of the genre are from 1992 or later such as Saints & Sinners (from Canada), Under the Influence (Wildside), and Fear No Evil (Slaughter; One of the best of the genre).
Oh also I don’t think Enuff Z’Nuff is a glam metal band. They had the production but their songwriting is fundamentally not very glam. They’re a power pop band. I would also throw in Danger Danger and Hurricane. Hurricane were playing large theater and arena shows in 1992. FireHouse also kept having hits and a huge fan base into the mid 90s
Bon Jovi only survived Grunge without scratch . Women army - strongest in the world protect them .
Under The Influence is one of my top ten "hair" albums overall. I don't consider that term unsavory at all, either. I was pretty damn proud of my hair at the time!
@@gwts1171 ‘Hair metal’ has often been used as a derogatory term to deride the genre. I don’t really mind it, but I don’t like using it. I much prefer glam metal because it fits the bands a lot more. I’ve got long, poofy, wavy hair that looks like I always have hair spray!
Damn Straight!!@@gwts1171
Early on Enuff Z'Nuff were certainly qualified as being glam metal as they dressed the part to the hilt similar to Poison
On the terminology of the use of "Hair Metal" I've always used "Commercial Hard Rock" or "Melodic Metal" more than Glam or Sleaze unless the makeup and fashion they wore was overpowering
But nonetheless Enuff Z'Nuff should have been a multi platinum sensation
I'd also put TNT in that multi platinum should haves too , Le Tekro and Harnell are fantastic songwriters as great as Vie and Chip
Great show! I would also add Southgang to the discussion. They produced two excellent hair metal albums in the early-1990s---Tainted Angel and Group Therapy.
Great topic guys. Love your Friday at the Fun house shows. Keep up the excellent work Pete and Martin.
Nice to see Badlands Voodoo Highway. Outstanding album. Also, really liked The Cult's Ceremony album from 1991.
Try to find the unreleased Badlands album Dusk. Amazing!
@@Assimilator702 I have it. It's great
surprised Winger's Pull was not on here! Def their best, and one of the best prog-metal albums of the early 90s (Junkyard Dog rips!)
It was my #2
@@seaoftranquilityprog oh man musta missed that glad to hear! Just an all timer in general!
I love the mention of Firehouse, it was the band that first sparked my love of music... in 2009, when I was five years old and got an old MP3 player from my dad. Along with Poison and Bon Jovi my youngling years were complete lol
What! Hair Metal died? Nobody told me. 2023 releases Winger, Extreme, Eclectic Boys, Heaven's Edge, Hurricane, Wig Wam, The Defiants, Dokken, Sweet/Lynch, L.A. Guns, Lynch Mob etc.
Saigon Kick too!
There's no such thing as Hair Metal, it's Glam Metal at a push, I just call it Metal.
Amen! 🙌🏻🤘🏻🎸
@@monkeyhousescouse not quite, but Jason Bieler is close enough right? ;)
I don't like that term either but that was the title of the episode. I just call hard rock or metal. @@robfulton1307
Some of the better bands today playing this style are CRASHDIET, HARDCORE SUPERSTAR, CRAZY LIXX or JOLLY JOKER. And yes, lot of good albums in this style came our during the 90s. SLAUGHTER is a great exemple. A 90s band. FIREHOUSE too, an other 90s band but sounding 80s. Second BATON ROUGE album was really good too. The debut by VINCE NEIL super. STEELHEART super too and the second BABYLON AD or SARAYA from the 90s are great albums. Good show.
Kissin’ Dynamite is pretty good too.
That teenage band “Bad4Good” that Steve Vai produced only put out one album in 1992, but it’s great.
Agreed! Great album with some solid, memorable tracks. 'Nothing Great About A Heartache' is one of the better power ballads of the era.
Love that album!!!
It’s on my “wish it would get a vinyl pressing” wish list. I even told Thomas McRocklin from the band that it should get a reissue on vinyl. He actually agreed!
Just can’t get enough of this estupendos duo. Glam metal has never been a topic on this channel, at least since I subscribed back in 2019… a White Lion ranking with Lynn, a collab with Hack on Skid Row, some Cinderella and Leppard here and there, but that’s about it… but this lately insertion in the genre has captivated me, because glam metal is the genre on which I came to listen/know/understand music, back in 86-87 when I was 9-10 years old. Very cool that Pete has embraced this series with his partner in crime… looking forward to more stuff! Perhaps an episode honoring some underdogs or obscure bands from that era? Cheers guys, you are the best!!!
I’ve done Ratt, Stryper, Dokken, Cinderella, Winger, Tesla, and a bunch more. Not a new thing!
@@seaoftranquilityprog very very true! Stryper was with Catino I think! Thanks for your reply Pete! Rock on and Prog on! You are doing a fantastic job, cheers!! 🍻
It's alive and kicking in Sweden.
Crazy Lixx from Sweden are so great! They are nothing but 1987 sounding. Love their stuff.
@@joeb2588 And Vic Zino is now jamming with Hardcore Superstar. There's a helluva combo.
@aelfredrex8354 cool. I'll check it out. Thanks! How about this one? Santa Cruz? The album Screaming For Adrenaline is an absolute monster. I did not like any of their follow up stuff and the band broke up. I think the lead singer was a handful....either way, "Screaming for Adrenaline" is amazing.
@aelfredrex8354 ok I'm listening to "you can't kill my Rock n Roll. This is great. Is this their style? In other words, is this their sound? 80's?
@@joeb2588 The Swedish Sound. Modern hair metal with a punk edge.
Cheers Pete & Martin, Gotta say I was not a huge ‘Grunge’ fan and I from Seattle. Pear Jam has sucked since their second album, Nirvana had on good album. Mudhoney was bellow average garage band. However, Soudgarden and Alice In Chains (my favorite band during the early 90’s) kick ass over all the bands you listed.
How did they not talk about "Hungry" by XYZ?? Also, you might want to check out Retrospect Records and Demon Doll records - they reissue a lot of good glam/hair metal by bands that were pretty much overlooked from the 80s thru 90s!
Faster Pussycat - Whipped (1992)
Ratt- Detonator (1990), Collage ('97)
So true, it just took a major back seat to grunge for a while, but some of those glam bands survived and went on to do greatest hits tours to this day
I LOVED 😍 🥰 ♥️ this show fellas - I grew up as a teenager as many of these AMAZING records came out. And bought them. And saw the tours.... LOVE #LOVE/HATE so much - what a.mindblowing record #wastedinAmerica is.... One thing you forgot (which would be my #1 / #2 along with Love/Hate) - is Saigon Kick's 'The 🦎 Lizard'... that record was an upgrade on the debut, psychedelic, Beatles-y, heavy, riffy and just had some shit hot songs. Still play it today !!!
Lillian Axe - Psychoschizophrenia, their best album, came out in 1993.
They have put out even better albums since then
Steelheart, Babylon AD and Wildside definitely deserve a mention
Badlands, a well-deserved n°1.
You guys do a great show every week, I never miss one.
Love/Hate’s first 3 albums are classics and timeless!
Danger Danger - Screw it! is also very good!
Love this video. Never got into grunge. Still listen to all these bands you listed
As usual another great show and discussion. You could also perhaps add the Motherland album to the Bonham discography. Honored to have had Martin talk about Wasted In America on my channel. Such a good album but I think the quality of the music being released at the time had nothing to do with hair metals lack of success post 1991.
Babylon AD, Heavens Edge, and Hurricane come to minds as really solid bands that might have been a little late to the party and not promoted properly. 🎸
Best show on UA-cam by far
The thing about Prisoners in Paradise is they actually wrote a whole different album (which you can actually find the demos of) but the record label didn't like it so they basically started it over again.
According to the band, Prisoners didn't sell 'cause the band didn't tour after the Final C. The label preferred them to write and put up a new album instead of gaining a loyal fanbase via touring (in the US, especially).
Love the Europe album. Very underrated. My contribution would be Great White - Psycho City and Def Leppard - Adrenalize
I never got too much into hair metal, the exception being Motley Crue, Skid Row, Twisted Sister, and Quiet Riot. The last two mainly do to their videos when I was 9 or 10 yrs. old. I discovered extreme metal at age 15 in 1989. Death metal took over from thrash, for me. I will always be an Iron. Maiden fan. In 1990 I fist heard Black Sabbath and am a big fan to this day. I pretty much stopped listening to death metal in 1995, and switched to classic rock. Now I have as much knowledge about music as these two gentlemen who talk about music. Some genres I know more about then they do, as they don't talk about Blues, Big Band, Jazz, or Classic Country.
Life sex and Death put out one album but it's a killer entitled the silent majority it's amazing
Great video! Did you guys discover that hair metal content gets clicks? I love it! Keep it up please. Maybe rank favorite hair metal singers, guitarists, albums, songs, lyrics, etc
Another solid show guys, thanks! Skid Row Slave to the Grind was a fave of mine when it came out. Subhuman Race is another really good record. I still listen to them.
Enuff Z'Nuff were great right up until they made the big changes a few years back. This is also an excuse for me to mention one of my favorite ever albums - T-Ride (self-titled). Also, I REALLY like the Dokken album from last year. It was my #11 album of 2023. Skid Row's "Subhuman Race" was a good time, too. I keep coming back to add more here. - Warrant "Dog Eat Dog" is their best album, in my opinion.
I remember The Quireboy's A Bit of What You Fancy😁'90
The Brits could definitely throw a party
I don't think was grunge who killed hair and trash metal artistically. I'd say alternative metal, industrial and post hardcore was responsable. Things like Helmet, Ministry, NIN, Rollins Band, Fugazi, Girls against boys, KMDMF, 90s Killing Joke, Neurosis, Kyuss, Faith No More, Rage Against the Machne and Jane´s Addiction blew my mind back in the day.
Great white ❤ they were amazing and phycho city in 92 is brilliant
absolutely
Good interesting topic. Regarding the title, if hair metal didn't die in 1991 it certainly did by 1994. That becomes apparent with the dismall album chart positions cited throughout the video. It's interesting Pete that you have Winger up near the top of your list. In 1995 I was visiting my cousin in Sault Ste. Marie Canada. We were downtown heading to the Princess which was a decent sized bar that was originally built as a movie theater. On our way we walked by a much smaller bar; maybe a 50 seater. Anyway on the window there was a sign announcing that Winger was playing there. We couldn't make up our minds as to whether or not this could possibly be the same Winger that was hugely popular just a few short years before. To this day, I still don't know. But when you think back to how adruptly the door was closed on the old guard it wouldn't surprise me. If anyone is in the know please tell me.
Commercial Hard Rock was still very much alive in 1992 though on borrowed time, by '93 the only new non-grunge commercial hard rock band that I'm aware of that was signed to a major label was The Graveyard Train on Geffen records
Once The Headbangers Ball was cancelled out of the blue in January '95 and later in Europe in '97 then the final nail was driven in
Only in Japan and parts of South East Asia like The Philippines Thailand Indonesia and Malaysia was commercial Hard Rock still popular to any real degree and maybe parts of South America too
I was in grade 12 when the whole Grunge thing hit. Never seen anything like it before or since. One week people are wearing Poison and Motley Crue shirts, the next, flannel and Doc Martens. My friends and I were more into Anthrax, Megadeth, Metallica, and Slayer at the time but even we got into the fashion and the bands. I was a closeted Hair/Glam guy too (loved Danger Danger, Slaughter, Trixter et al) and took a lot of flak for it like a good sport. For about a year or so I think all of this stuff more or less co-existed for the most part, but by '93 Grunge/Alternative had fully taken over. About the only Hair/Glam bands to survive were G'nR, Def Leppard, Bon Jovi, and Aerosmith. Personally I feel the whole shift was really due to industry machinations. For whatever reasons, be it personal, $$$, or industry politics, the suits decided that all of those great Hard Rock acts had to go, and they shot them down at the knees. It's no surprise in retrospect that ever since then popular music has become ever more tightly controlled and spoonfed to the masses from the corporate powers that be. That was the end game all along: find, exploit, and push a trend so big it wipes away everything that came before it, and then contrive and control subsequent followup trends until noone in the general public has any independence of taste beyond what's fed to them. Thus Grunge morphs into Alternative, Hip-hop and Boy/Girl bands come along and quickly merge with Alternative to become New Punk, and all eventually blur together to become the faceless, soulless mess that is modern Radio Pop. And as ever, only Metal and Prog continue to exist in their own worlds off in the musical hinterlands.
GNR & Leppard are Not glam
@@sonusworld666 I get what you mean dude, and to be honest I'm not actually a fan of the words 'Hair' or 'Glam' to describe any of these bands either. But when you're trying to make a generalized point that largely encompasses that overall era of music, like it or not those are the terms most people associate with it. Doesn't matter to them if it's Poison or Dangerous Toys. Bon Jovi or Kik Tracee. Its just an easy way of communicating in broad strokes.
@@ciaranmeeks9431 What am trying to say is bands like Van Halen, Def Leppard and Guns N Roses are Hard Rock bands, calling them glam is not done , even Whitesnake for that matter, though they were influenced by that scene a lot in the mid to late 80’s . What say ? Wrong categorization
Minute 17:46 Pete, you could not be more wrong: "After the third album: That was it for FireHouse!" Man, get you facts straight! America is not the epicenter of the world! FireHouse did continue to play in the nineties to HUGE Audiences in Japan, Thailand, The Philipines, India, Indonesia and Malaysia! Just because nobody reported in the US, so most people don't know, FireHouse continued to tour in a lot of states in Asia, for example a sold out show for 40.000 people in India! ( see wikipedia entry: *"The band's first Indian date, in Shillong when the Maharaja of Tripura Kirit Pradyot Deb Burman invited them, took place in front of a sold out stadium crowd of over 40,000, setting a record for that city."* ) I have myself seen couple of albums in Japan from the band I have never seen in the western world. And of course I've seen them being bootleged in Thailand, too, and only stuff that is popular there, will be bootlegged and sold on the streets.
And then we had very big records by AEROSMITH, VAN HALEN, MEAT LOAF, or DEF LEPPARD that still sold millones. Or BON JOVI.
Any Genre doesn't Die it just goes Underground and you are seeing a resurgence of Hair/Glam for Nostalgia
In 1991 it was still going strong. Grunge took over in 1992 but by 1995 it was dead too.
It wasnt dead by 1995. 1997 was the year it unofficially died. 1996 had Soundgarden, Pearl Jam, STP albums and AIC Unplugged. That year was the last hurrah.
@@Chaz4543 Superunknown 6 times platinum, Down on the Upside platinum. It was dead. Remember Motley Crue st album went gold in 1994 and glam metal was dead by that time .
@@AlexDizzys It was not dead by 1995. In 1996 all those albums had songs that were on the radio and MTV. They sold less than those bands previous records but they were still popular.
@@Chaz4543 In fact, people didn't care if it was grunge or not. Grunge was popular in 1992-94. Kurt Cobain died in 1994 and grunge died with him.
Cinderella "Still Climbing" 1994. Absolutely Awesome. And how Wild Side's "Under the Influence" didnt explode is beyond me.
Also QUIET RIOT didnt stop, they had a few albums in the 90' and Guily Pleasures in the 2000's
Lots of rabbit holes dived down after watching this - have bought a couple of Tesla albums. I always loved Love Hate and Badlands ( Martin got me into Badlands from one of his books many years ago ) bought the records off the back of that.
Aldo Nova-Blood on the Bricks! Great to see Cinderella and Tesla get recognized.
Hair/Pop metal didn't really die, it just wasn't as commercially viable anymore like Grunge and alternative rock were becoming at the time
The ASIA reunion...
Virtuositic melodic rock
Phoenix, Omega, XXX
2008-2012
From the inception of this show I've always appreciated Martins loyalty and championing of bands from Canada, its a hit and miss affair but I've added quite a few Popoff recommendations to my collection.
I was just thinking while watching this what Canadian bands came out that could be considered Hair or Glam Metal. Brighton Rock, Harem Scarem, and Slik Toxik come to mind as well as Lee Aaron's "Bodyrock".
Ha ha, I didn't know if this was a jab or not because... did I mention a single Canadian band?
it's a canadian law that if you don't love, nor champion, every canadian band that ever lived, then you will lose your justin trudeau fan club membership and the taste of maple syrup will automatically become like arsenic to your tongue. you also receive a lifetime ban to every tim horton's.
I am watching your channel from The Netherlands! Like it :-)
Queensryche-Promised Land (1994) is a great listen almost 30 years later. Very overlooked. It is melodic, moody in a good way, with prog elements. Very thinking man's metal, some heavy moments with "Damaged". "Lady Jane" is probably the best track on it and "My Global Mind" and "Someone Else?" up there too.
Great topic gentlemen! This type of music has never left, but just went underground in the States. Just look to Europe and it's still being made and well in 2024.
Great White has four good albums during this time. Hooked 1991, Psycho City 1992, Let it Rock 1996 and Can’t Get There from Here 1999.
Personally I never stopped listening to this kind of music, even when Grunge hit...music is always evolving. I tend to listen to what I like regardless of what's hip at the time.
I'd say it didn't die, it just went into hiding to europe; there's bands like Crazy Lixx, Nestor, Eclipse that keep doing a very good type of current Glam/Hair "Metal" (NeoGlam maybe?) Thanks 🍺🤘!
Oh yes! I love Crazy Lixx and Eclipse.
@@roachman627 same here my friend 🍺🤘
And of course, H.e.a.t
Crazy lixx are fantastic
@@johann_casparbaumgartner6972 but of course! Their song "rise" has become an all-time classic for me
I'm surprised neither of you mentioned Van Halen. Both of their 90's Van Hagar albums did big business. I think that had they not split with Sammy, they would have continued to put out good material. It would have at least saved us from the Van Halen III debacle. Aerosmith also did really well during this time. Get a Grip came out in 1993, and it was huge.
You can also count Slaughter as one of those assembled bands. Mark Slaughter and Dana Strum formed the band after walking away from the Vinnie Vincent Invasion, which can also be called an assembled band as well. I've always had a special place in my heart for Slaughter. Stick It to Ya was one of the very first hard rock cassettes I'd ever bought with my own money.
I've heard that Damn Yankees did have a third album in the works, but the record label didn't want any part of it, and they paid the band to drop their contract. I also remember hearing stories back in the day that Damn Yankees tried to substitute Damon Johnson from Brother Cane in place of Ted Nugent.
Tommy Shaw and Ted Nugent clashed with egos and politically on opposite ends. Don't Tread flopped and was released when Alice in Chains' Dirt was released around the same time and trashed the competition, even Roger Waters' Amused to Death didn't stand a chance.
I'm going to preface this list by saying that I don't think that all of these bands are "hair metal," but they've been lumped together as such, often by lesser minds. Alphabetically:
Badlands - Voodoo Highway (1991)
Britny Fox - Bite Down Hard (1991)
BulletBoys - Freakshow (1991)
Cinderella - Still Climbing (1994)
Dirty Looks - Bootlegs (1991)
Faster Pussycat - Whipped! (1992)
Guns N' Roses - Use Your Illusion I (1991)
Guns N' Roses - Use Your Illusion II (1991)
Skid Row - Slave to the Grind (1991)
Tesla - Psychotic Supper (1991)
W.A.S.P. - The Crimson Idol (1992)
I adore that self titled Lynch Mob album too Pete
Great discussion. Hair/Glam metal didn't go away and prefer the glam metal term but it just receded in my view. Some worthy mentions are Trixter with Hear
Kingdom Come with Hands Of Time
Phantom Blue with Built To Perform
Saraya with When The Blackbird Sings.
The Extreme album is truly a masterpiece. So disappointing that it didn't sell a lot more.
Tyketto were unlucky. They had the songs, the musicianship, the look and - most of all - the wonderful voice of Danny Vaughn - However, their debut was left on the shelf for a year or so and they were essentially left on the starting block.
While I don't these bands as hair metal, they did get lumped in with the pile: honorable mention belongs to the following: First, the band TNT. Even though their first 1990s decade album (Realized Fantasies) was arguably their weakest and least-even collection, the band has soldiered on and never tried to make a grungy album, bucking to the trends. I would also say Jake E. Lee's BADLANDS, with their release of Voodoo Highway in 1991 as well (glad you mentioned this PETE)!!. 1992, Open to the Public was released by SPREAD EAGLE who also stayed true to themselves, even if by the time that record came out it was the last gasp of the genre for a while.
Great subject guys. Agree “Hair Metal “ , if there ever was such a thing never died. I think at the time “Metal” had passed it’s zenith of NWOBHM and had become normal. As stated GnR and others changed their image to suit contemporary tastes but when Grunge hit I think labels couldn’t see past the “new” thing and therefore other established music was left behind, leaving legacy bands to carry the flag until the “new” music was absorbed into the general scheme of things. As Mr Reid says on UK connection, broadcasts of Rock music in UK was/is very arbitrary and unless you went to rock clubs or listened at home there wasn’t much alternative to the Seattle sound so unfortunately some excellent bands went I listened to 🤘🏻
Funny, the so called “pop metal” scene from the eighties kind of peaked in the period 89-92… it’s like all these bands needed to prove their merits one final time. And they did!! 1992 is absolutely my preferred year for MHR genre 🙌🏻♥️🎸
Commercial Heavy/Hard Rock was still strongly hanging in there in '92 although on borrowed time , my feeling(naively)was that grunge in that particular year was just a new sub genre or a dirty(hair)extension of "glam/sleaze" existing side by side with the other non-grunge bands whose videos by the way were still being prominently played on MTV
In 1993 the last New Non-Grunge commercial hard rock band signed to a major label that I'm aware of was The Graveyard Train on Geffen Records
Like Pardo and Popoff point out Bands like Warrant Poison Tesla and Jackyl were still able to go Gold in the U.S. from '92 to '94 , but after that they no longer could , wheater or not still signed to a major label
Two Atlantic Records signed bands Skid Row's Subhuman Race album in '95 was only successful in Japan as was Mr.Big's subsequent albums after going Platinum in the States in '91 On a side note Firehouse were particularly successful throughout pretty much all of the '90s not just in Japan but in other Asian markets(Philippines Thailand Indonesia and Malaysia)as well while still signed to major labels Epic/Sony as late as '96
The really Big Bands allowed to still be highly successful throughout the '90s were Bon Jovi , Def Leppard and Motley Crue because they already had a huge fan base built up years before
In my teenage MTV daze it all blew up big in '83 with Quiet Riot "Cum on Feel the Noize" with the very peak years being '87 - '89(I think i have just about every Metal Hammer and RIP Magazine from those 3yrs) By '93 it was running on fumes with the ultimate final nail in the coffin being the unannounced cancellation of The Headbangers Ball with Riki Rachtman in January '95 only staying alive in Europe till '97
After that the post 2000s till present is just pure nostalgia 🥲
Glam metal didn't die, I just went away for a decade to a decade and a half, and then it returned in full force (almost). What still needs work is for the genre to be given its rightful place in the story of classic rock and, for the overall, general accepted animosity towards the genre and the bands to be restricted to personal acquired taste.