@@VOYENTTOS They are in the future now aren’t they? And I think the Bajoran was a fresh crew member. I could be wrong as I stopped watching 2 seasons ago.
It's has literally been centuries, you'd figure the events of DS9 would preached to all Bajoran children! Bajor had colonies in the Gamma quadrant... until the Dominion.
@@resnatachyon But the crew of Discovery is from the pre-Kirk age. Well, there should be no Bajoran at all on the Discovery as Bajor has been occupied by the Cardassians, both unknown to the Federation yet.
The old Breen had an iconic look, and had an air of mystery around them. Now they wear generic bad guy space suits, and their mystery is ruined and replaced by a run of the mill green space alien rubber face, like an off brand Reman. Even while drawing its last breath, STD can't help itself but to defile the past it ows its existence to.
And the other thing, I'm a big voyager fan and I love the fact that there's a female captain.But you know what that female captain doesn't do.Cry and every single scene and be super, emotional and super huggy.And all this crap no she was a bad ass female captain.
@GreatestCornholio Yes, since when do people just talk like they're from the 90s? And it's supposed to be in the future, what made TOS Classic is that no one spoke like they were from the 60s. Everybody had a classic speaking voice. You can watch it In any period in time period apart from Behive haircuts and things of that nature.You can't really pinpoint where it's from.It's classic that way.Nowadays everybody's just talking like they're from the 90s or early two thousand.
@@GreatestCornholio In beta canon that is partially the case. One of the Breen species is a canid race. The suits were designed to accommodate all of the Breen species.
This episode broke me. For the first time I felt absolutely nothing while watching. No anger, no frustration, nothing… I was just staring at the screen mindlessly until the end credits rolled. 🤷♂️
And I actually was trying to give it a chance. But when 2 starships come down to the desert planet and do some crazy forcefield nonsense and there tip sideways towards the ground. I was like.What the hell is this since when does this happen?And then from that point on, I'm like, oh yeah, I forget this is discovery bs
That happened to me somewhere early in season 3. I feel like I've invested so much time in this trash that I now HAVE to see it to the end. In fairness, at least the writers are finally writing stories that are mostly, for lack of a better term though a bit innacurate, "narratively consistent," instead of just constant chaos.
I also love how this man is bleeding out in a sickbay…let me say that again…in a SICKBAY… and Michael shrugs saying “we need to get him to Discovery” but just walks out and leaves him to bleed out without so much as opening a cabinet to see if there might be, I dunno, a BANDAGE, gauze, or ANYTHING in this sickbay to even try to render the most basic first aid. She and Book just walk out. I love Michael’s competence.
@@darthplagueis4626 - It must have been blink and you miss it. I was watching, waiting for her to do something, anything, for this guy who was bleeding out, and I definitely didn’t see that. Maybe my eyes drooped. It’s hard as hell to stay awake during Discovery as it is, and I was tired. She definitely didn’t leave them guarded-because she’s too awesome on her own to take any security personnel. Even Kirk typically had a couple of redshirts with him. They would last all of two minutes, but at least they came along. She walks out, leaves two dangerous bandits unguarded to escape in a shuttle they previously said didn’t exist.
There is something to add about the security team she denies. They don't know whats waiting for them inside the wormhole, but she simply assumes that there will be only the two smugglers and the clue. Instead of an empty mirror enterprise, there could have been an assimilated Gorn ship or the whole invasion fleet of the Kelvan empire from the Andromeda galaxy. What kind of tactical decision was this, when she doesn't know what awaits them?
The Breen are mysterious like the Chigs from Space Above and Beyond. Unlike the Chigs, the Breen were never meant to be seen without their masks. The chigs were distantly related to mankind. So it makes sense they would look like a underdeveloped albino human with sunken black eyes and a jutting mouth that spent most of its time in dark caves. They were supposed to be a radically altered human that evolved faster than humanity as it underwent panspermia. The breen are supposed to be vaguely humanoid in shape only, not skin texture, nor emotion, or even ideology. They're bipedal, have two arms, a torso and a head. That's all the semblance they have with humans. It's supposed to be a mystery what they look like underneath.
It’s been over a year since I’ve watched ur channel. I was shocked that u still review this show. I just want to THANK YOU for suffering through this train wreck for us. U are TRULY my hero.
Breen reveal and they're like the most generic looking aliens ever. Also, in a rare moment of Michael actually making sense, she pointed out to L'ak that the Breen will more than likely just kill them and take the tech if they try and sell it to them. He seems to know that and considers surrendering to the Federation, but then attacks Michael anyway and flees with Moll. But, she should have also told him that the Breen destroyed everything in the future and there's no sign of either him or Moll still being alive which might have swayed him, but conveniently left that part out.
I put it together as I was watching this video as you were saying it. The Proginetors are the Founders and the Breen want to rebuild the Dominion. ETA: The paradise in the Gamma Quadrant is the Founders homeworld where refugees from the burn live with the Founder. We may see a CGI Odo or something like that. It ends sort of like Return of The Jedi.That's my prediction.
Sci-fi White Walkers...quite a loss for the Breen to be revealed on this show. Not even a proper build up of their culture, I had to go do a deep dive on Memory Alpha to see what we knew about the Breen. Sad.
Moll: Then one day, he just stopped coming home. My mom had to get a job in the rubindium mines. You have any idea what that's like? She died when I was 14, and... I was left completely alone. My god.
Actually, this dialogue reminded of the Simpsons episode, when the school photographer saw Lisa’s braces, he responded with a gasp, then he closed his eyes as he took the picture, while he quietly whispered: “There is no God!”
A Bajoran not knowing what a wormhole is is like a Vulcan who doesnt know logic. This show really likes to screw up Canon, Alex Kurtzman is the Chris Chibnall of StarTrek, these fools love ruining established canon and ruining Franchises.
"Is that the ISS Enterprise?" LOL!!! Even a simple line like that they can't get right. Why would Raynor ever say that?! He may have commented that it looks like a Constitution Class, perhaps. But the ISS Enterprise does not look any different from the USS Enterprise -- especially with blinding light shining behind it. These writers are the absolute worst.
@@stopgeorge You know what’s happened to me a lot in life? People think I can’t have made a particular deduction, based on what they’ve been able to observe, so they believe I’ve been lying to them or knew in the first place. It sucks to be hated, like that; and that’s the resonance your message has. Imagine some of these people (fictional characters) becoming experts on a thing and not telling you about it, first. I’m still so astonished by people hating on recent Star Trek. The show is, was, and I imagine always will be, one of the shows available to us that teaches us about overcoming misunderstanding and sharing perspectives without so much anger and hate - and yet fans of that show will be so angry and hateful without the leeway for discussion. I grew up on Star Trek. This is Star Trek. 💙
"It makes no sense if you think about it." I would argue that it also makes no sense if you don't think about it. It's just that dumb. Exhibit A: "Is that the ISS Enterprise?" Exhibit B: "How did a starship from another dimension get into a interdimensional wormhole?"
For me, the most annoying thing is the puzzle. We see all the time that Burnham has the majority of the pieces, yet Shin Hati is progressing to solve it. It really looks like they used generative AI for the script without knowing how it works, so during prompting, the AI always forgets previous parts.
More than a few are thinking this was originally AI generated. I'm reminded of the Enterprise entering a space sphincter in TMP during this episode. There are familiar elements littered throughout this season that is like something generative AI would come up with. Familiar elements but disconnected from the actual lore.
The Breen were first mentioned, if I recall correctly, in the TNG episode “The Price.” so within the context of the show, that is like 900 years earlier, but in our production timeline that is literally, in the 1980s. So it is sort of strange that within hundreds of years of fictional time, and decades of our time-no one EVER saw a Bremen’s face… hmmmm
@@NitpickingNerd Yes, it is restated several times that we know very little, before DS9 it's basically only that they wear helmets, are fairly aggressive, privateers exist among them, and they use disruptors. DS9 still keeps them mysterious, we get some design elements, a rank, and a view of them in refrigeration suit, that they're quite powerful, and that the climate on their homeworld is pleasant. That they don't pop up much in power plays lets us know they're somewhat isolationist. But apart from that they were pretty much a blank slate, what a waste to make them be made of green jell-o, and be such a repeat culture, nothing new, no interesting angle.
@Nitpicking Nerd, you are correct about that, as usual, I think in my mind, I remembered that “The Price” what is the first episode to do something important, but I think it was actually the first one to refer to the galaxy as being divided into four quadrants: alpha, beta, gamma, and delta! Before that, the word quadrant was used, just me 1/4 of anything, but after “The Price” it became exclusively, used to mean 1/4 of the galaxy.
I hate to actually defend Star Trek: Discovery. But at least two things weren't as illogical as stated in the video. 1. Moll and La'ak (stupid Bonny and Clyde ripoff by the way) escaped on what I guess is a modified photon torpedo. Someone says to Rayner that the I.S.S. Enterprise is charging weapons. I can forgive that because the couriers are supposed to be resourceful. 2. In one DS9 episode Weyoun says (I think to Damar) that the Breen are a mistery to him, since their homeworld seems to be normally tempered and they don't actually would have to wear their suits for temperature reasons (as stated in the video). This also explains why the founders trusted them. They are not too dissimilar when it comes to holding a solid form.
Since this is not real star trek, I will stay with my theory about the breen, that they are a 100% technological species and they refrigerate for processor cooling.
Another Disco turd . Why is booker recording a log anyway ? He is a reformed smuggler so who is he recording it for anyway ? So torpedo's aren't full of anti- matter already ? How does the hundreds of years old ship still have full power ? When mikey spock and booker are flying the Enterprise through the wormhole she sits in the Captains chair and leaves him to fly the ship himself because he knows how to fly a hundreds of years old ship ? So a mirror universe enterprise can be flown back to star fleet by 2 people ? Didn't kirk need 20 even with the M-5 computer ?
Personal journal? My understanding is that Rhys was suggesting changing out the half and half mix for a payload of pure antimatter to maximize the impact. The Enterprise was not at full power; being inside a wormhole with some sort of exotic matter may have had a role to play in the reserves not being depleted. There's also the minute possibility that Moll and L'ok gave it some sort of a jump start and lost their ship in the process. Book has spent a significant amount of time on a refitted 23rd century vessel; it's not outside the realm of possibility that he's studied elements of its operation. To your last point, Michael stated to Book that she was having Owosekun and Detmer head a team to take the Enterprise back to Starfleet Headquarters.
Why did the 90s Breen have a face extension like a dog but now it’s gone??? It reminds me of how they ruined Star Wars aliens by revealing that so many of them are just humans wearing helmets. It’s so stupid and cheap. They should be wearing helmets because they can’t breathe the atmosphere and are very much not human.
The extension in DS9 could be explained by it holding something they need to add to the air they breathe in, a sort of filter that adds something, but that still leaves a problem with why they're wearing it at home or on their own vessels. For that I would have much preferred a slow build up to it being something cultural with a distant past origin, akin to how Dr. Antak in ENT says that he might change medical fields now that cranial reconstruction might be a big thing. That way we could be given a historical reason, and allow time for a slower build up to someone breaking the "rules" as it were for a better reason than "love at first fight".
It was designed to give the impression of a wolf snout. When it was first designed the Breen were never really meant to have any importance. Author David Mack however reconciled this by establishing that the Breen are infact multiple different species with one of them, the Fenrisal being a Lupine race which are influence behind the snout-like part of the helmet.
Forgot.. the solution to expanding the opening of the Wormhole, is to swap the Photon torpedo payload with antimatter, that would provide the energy to hold it open for a minute before collapsing!? I guess Photo torpedoes use Dilithium explosives now.
The episode before showed what would happen if discovery didn't get out of the time loop so in that timeline how did Moll and Lak manage to escape the wormhole without the help of the bestest ever Mikey Spock?
The DS9 showrunners said they always imagined the Breen were tiny creatures in giant suits like those aliens in Men in Black. That would have been far more interesting.
You are brave to do this to yourself. I made it through the two pilot episodes of season one and noped out. It was fairly obvious that this is where we would end up. On the positive side, new fans are learning how to see the signs.
Ignoring the fact that the writers contradicted themselves in the same episode again by saying there were no escape pods. How fast does an escape pod go from an 800+ year old ship? How can Discovery not simply catch them with their tractor beam after a short Warp 9 run?!
Even if the Bajorans moved beyond worshipping the prophets, they still live right next to Bajor, probably. Even if her family emigrated and abandoned their culture. Starfleet education should have taught her about significant stellar phenomena.
So so much bad writing. They couldn't even make a callback to last week's episode where Rayner brings up Rhys' love of Constitution Class starships by giving him the line, "hey isn't that the ISS Enterprise?" No, instead they give it to Stammets who visually identifies not only that it's the Enterprise but the Terran model. Well he's part Tartigrade now so that probably gives him superior eyesight I guess. Take everything Star Trek out of it and this show is still a festering pile of cliches and twee, predictable relationships.
The Breen should never have been revealed, it was better to keep the mystery, but little hope with that given the showrunners/writers. I suppose we're lucky that they didn't turn out to be humans in disguise, a rogue colony that was very successful.
The Breen were meant to wear the suit because they are all different so all wanted to look the same... but STD can do whatever it wants. I don't watch after the transGhosts episodes.
I love u man and at first I get your comment about the bajorian not knowing that it looked like the bajorian worm hole but we truly don’t know what happened to it and it has been 900 years since we have seen it. Remember it just appeared one day 900 years is a long tome. Now if u say that worm hole is still there then I would say your point is 100% valid. Doubt we will ever know forbsure. Trek today leaves to many holes
They could have explained it by saying 'Skroll' was a defective Breen or had a virus which stopped him from looking like the 'gelatinous' Breen, so he was shunned. That would be more interesting and explain why he likes a solid. In any case Skroll looks like a boring green alien, when they had the chance to make the Breen look totally cool and alien. The gelatinous forms do look cool, though.
Where the hell are the Tzenkethi? They mentioned they are needing to go into their space and need pernission but we never hear or see anything else? Would be interesting to see if they look like they do in Star Trek Online or not.
I'm really confused about what these two are up to and why. Didn't they come this close to selling the first item to the android Fred and only didn't sell to him because he didn't offer enough latinum? Why would they do that if they needed to go find the secret and sell that? ugh nevermind.
Regarding the warp pods, weren't those a thing only in the TNG era? Like the one used to transport Worf's lover? Don't recall them ever being in the TOS era, not sure if the Mirror Universe had them.
There are so many fiery explosions in STD, you’d think starships in the 32 century are powered by natural gas. Everything in STD magically happens to move the meager plot along. I don’t think the actors care because the writers don’t.
are they gonna refit that mirror enterprise and put floating nacelles on it one thing i think is poorly designed is their combadges. The camera doesn't pick up the Starfleet insignia on them and they just look like buttons on their uniform.
I guess Moll and La'ak ran out of those ACME insta-hole bombs. You would think that Burnham and Book would be more concerned about that happening again inside of an interdimensional wormhole. "Q" in Discovery seems to be the "Q" from James Bond movies. But here, he services the bad guys with the gimmick weapons.
I wonder if they got a threat from Disney to redesign the iconic Breen armour into 'generic sci-fi mask' 'cause something similar first appeared in Star Wars, or if they're just completely lacking in originality and consistency; nevermind, I obviously just answered my own question. :)
If the Bajoran is part of the crew from the 23rd Century, sure, she knows about the Celestial Temple, but she’s never seen an actual Wormhole. They don’t find it till the 24th.
I'm wondering, why would they even write this into the script? Of all the characters they could have uttering this line, they chose a Bajoran. Was that their attempt at irony? I don't think they are that smart.
maybe... they're using ChatGPT to write scripts now. I noticed my computer now has a microsoft AI on it, and I prompted it to write me an outline of a short story. It does a competent job, albeit the story was cliche and boring.. like an STD episode. It occurs to me that AI will have trouble with continuity.
Why didn't they send more shuttles into the anomaly? Either from the start or later, to check on them when they lost contact? In fact, why didn't they send probes first? This was a totally artificial crisis. BTW, I don't think it's a problem that a Bajoran asked about the anomaly. She's so familiar with the Bajoran Wormhole that she clearly sees it as something different. And it doesn't have to be obvious from the visuals that it's a wormhole, there are many other possibilities in Star Trek.
Did she come forward in time with Discovery, or is she native to the 32nd century? If she’s part of the original Discovery crew, the wormhole hadn't been discovered yet, & who knows how much she’s been on Bajor since they arrived in the future.
@@augiegirl1 That's a very good point. Even if she's from the 32nd century, maybe she's never been to Bajor (with the Burn and stuff). And she's not wearing traditional jewelry, so she's probably not religious. For all we know, the Bajoran religion might have been abandoned by this time.
Kira might stole suit that was in someones wardrobe. Also shouldn't ISS Enterprise desintegrate like Georgiou due to Mirror Timeline and Prime Timeline diverging even further?
14:23 Okay, this is the first of your videos I’ve watched, but I can’t tell if you’re trying to engage a discussion with differing viewpoints - or are happy to have all the hateful remarks of an echo chamber I’ve been reading on this video and from the smaller clips on the channel that linked me here…. Remember when Kirk told McCoy: “Young minds, fresh ideas. Try to be tolerant.” ? Yeah. That lesson of life. Totally. 💙💙
So, I don’t know, I kind of felt like this was the best episode of the season. Total opposite of your take. That doesn’t mean that I don’t take your points. I guess I just overlooked them in the spirit of suspension of disbelief. This is not to say I don’t have my own nitpicks from week to week because I do. But I just took their whole romance thing at face value, I didn’t really think about the depth of the dialogue. As for the issue with the shuttle, I think what they said was that they escaped in a small emergency sick bay escape pod, and I can accept that when they said earlier in the episode that they were not shuttles or anything, or that all the shuttles were taken they overlooked that. I think that’s what you’re supposed to take away from it given how they reacted when they saw the shuttle and they say something about oh, it’s a special sick bay escape pod thing to kind of explain why they didn’t initially think there were any shuttles left. I have always thought that this show was trash but you know sometimes I think people are too hard on it. Like the whole thing about Michael always going on the mission. F’ing Kirk always went on the mission. F’ing Picard always went on the mission. Sisco frequently went on missions. So I don’t get that whole thing where people have an issue with that.
@@NitpickingNerd well not eeevvvry mission, but the man went planetside quite a bit. Come on, now. Sure, they took security. I didn’t comment on that aspect. I just said captains often go on away missions. Its long been a thing.
@@positronichypersonic4928. It makes no sense she refuses to take security personel especially not knowing what will be on the other side of the wormhole
Too many producers, too many rewrites and they just don't care about what was done before. I stopped watching after the 4 episode of Season 2 but I love hearing about how bad it still is. In the Typhon Pack novels they are exactly like you mentioned. They are a coaltion of several worlds and species. Dukat also mentioned that they weren't from a freezing world. Who is that black guy we see in so many scenes who is not wearing a uniform?
I thought the Breen were going to be controlled by the parasitic beings from Conspiracy sitting on a chair pressing the buttons. There were lots of great theories and I think original writer for the Breen had some ideas but those are gone now and its a average at best answer.
the sunken eyeball sockets on the breen and the progenitor are really annoying and i cant stop thinking about them. I don't like these full-face masks, they're fake and i wish they'd just go back to giving all the aliens forehead bumps and receding hairlines like in TNG. part of me wants to think that the breen and progenitors are linked somehow by more than just the progenitors' DNA being in every star trek alien since they both have smooth featureless faces and sunken eyes but I doubt they're going to do that, this is far more likely to be a byproduct of bad makeup than anything else. The breen having a gelatinous form when they're wearing the masks seems like some sort of flair for the sake of flair. Every modern TV show and movie has a problem with the CGI department over-animating and adding in animated details that don't make sense (michael bay transformers being the best example) solely because computers made it cheap to do that and they think they're impressing us by showing off how many tiny moving greebles they can squeeze into shots that ought to be mundane.
I stopped watching at episode 1 of season 4. Maybe, at long last, Paramount execs realized just how bad STD is. It's not just some old timer Trekkies wishing for TNG; STD really is a horribly bad show and it is right to cancel it.
@@NitpickingNerd Constantly? Every? … Thinking about Picard and Lower Decks and Strange New Worlds… off hand I don’t remember Researching…. (Genuinely, I’m fascinated by these different viewpoints)💙
Okay, difficult thing to search for. I’m just getting a lot of meta details about inspiration and Lists of Kirk’s Lovers I remember in “Star Trek” (2009), we got Uhura’s first name simultaneously learning she and Spock were a thing - but I don’t think that’s what’s being talked about, here 💙
Oh boy, good that STD is just bad fanfiction garbage and not actual Star Trek Canon else it would be very bad for the entire franchise and that's putting it mildly.
Where exactly is shin-hottie and her lover going? They do not have the clue the key-to-everthing has it -- where are they going? why does the key-to-everything worry about where they are going who cares? they have the clue -- no??
12:51 Wait, when you say “that was kind of stupid” are you trying to critique the writers for having characters that would be reckless or are you critiquing the characters for being reckless?
The Bajoran asking about the wormhole is like a Hindu seeing a cow and asking what it is 😂
I didn't see the newest Disco episode. But wasn't it that Bajor didn't know about the wormhole in DSN first episode?
@@VOYENTTOS They are in the future now aren’t they? And I think the Bajoran was a fresh crew member. I could be wrong as I stopped watching 2 seasons ago.
It's has literally been centuries, you'd figure the events of DS9 would preached to all Bajoran children! Bajor had colonies in the Gamma quadrant... until the Dominion.
@@resnatachyon But the crew of Discovery is from the pre-Kirk age. Well, there should be no Bajoran at all on the Discovery as Bajor has been occupied by the Cardassians, both unknown to the Federation yet.
The old Breen had an iconic look, and had an air of mystery around them.
Now they wear generic bad guy space suits, and their mystery is ruined and replaced by a run of the mill green space alien rubber face, like an off brand Reman.
Even while drawing its last breath, STD can't help itself but to defile the past it ows its existence to.
I always expected them to have an elongated face or snout because of the old helmets.
And the other thing, I'm a big voyager fan and I love the fact that there's a female captain.But you know what that female captain doesn't do.Cry and every single scene and be super, emotional and super huggy.And all this crap no she was a bad ass female captain.
@@eliezerrodriguez5863In the old shows the ships were run like military vessels. In the new shows the ships are run like teenage mental asylums.
@GreatestCornholio Yes, since when do people just talk like they're from the 90s? And it's supposed to be in the future, what made TOS Classic is that no one spoke like they were from the 60s. Everybody had a classic speaking voice. You can watch it
In any period in time period apart from Behive haircuts and things of that nature.You can't really pinpoint where it's from.It's classic that way.Nowadays everybody's just talking like they're from the 90s or early two thousand.
@@GreatestCornholio In beta canon that is partially the case. One of the Breen species is a canid race. The suits were designed to accommodate all of the Breen species.
This episode broke me. For the first time I felt absolutely nothing while watching. No anger, no frustration, nothing… I was just staring at the screen mindlessly until the end credits rolled. 🤷♂️
Yeah, this one was bad.
Love is a powerful thing. Do not let it take you down the wrong road.
And I actually was trying to give it a chance. But when 2 starships come down to the desert planet and do some crazy forcefield nonsense and there tip sideways towards the ground. I was like.What the hell is this since when does this happen?And then from that point on, I'm like, oh yeah, I forget this is discovery bs
Its called Demoralization. They succeeded in making fans not care.
That happened to me somewhere early in season 3. I feel like I've invested so much time in this trash that I now HAVE to see it to the end. In fairness, at least the writers are finally writing stories that are mostly, for lack of a better term though a bit innacurate, "narratively consistent," instead of just constant chaos.
The writers of this show wanted to make a Star Wars series sooooo bad!!!!! Good grief!
I also love how this man is bleeding out in a sickbay…let me say that again…in a SICKBAY… and Michael shrugs saying “we need to get him to Discovery” but just walks out and leaves him to bleed out without so much as opening a cabinet to see if there might be, I dunno, a BANDAGE, gauze, or ANYTHING in this sickbay to even try to render the most basic first aid. She and Book just walk out. I love Michael’s competence.
I can't believe you actually watched this. You must love to suffer
Incorrect, she literally grabbed a medkit and handed it to Moll, then left with Book for the bridge to try to reorient the ship's movement.
@@darthplagueis4626 - It must have been blink and you miss it. I was watching, waiting for her to do something, anything, for this guy who was bleeding out, and I definitely didn’t see that. Maybe my eyes drooped. It’s hard as hell to stay awake during Discovery as it is, and I was tired.
She definitely didn’t leave them guarded-because she’s too awesome on her own to take any security personnel. Even Kirk typically had a couple of redshirts with him. They would last all of two minutes, but at least they came along. She walks out, leaves two dangerous bandits unguarded to escape in a shuttle they previously said didn’t exist.
There is something to add about the security team she denies. They don't know whats waiting for them inside the wormhole, but she simply assumes that there will be only the two smugglers and the clue. Instead of an empty mirror enterprise, there could have been an assimilated Gorn ship or the whole invasion fleet of the Kelvan empire from the Andromeda galaxy. What kind of tactical decision was this, when she doesn't know what awaits them?
I don't even care enough to hate it anymore
Nice, the demoralization is complete.
The workers' revolution can now commence✊🏼
The Breen are mysterious like the Chigs from Space Above and Beyond. Unlike the Chigs, the Breen were never meant to be seen without their masks. The chigs were distantly related to mankind. So it makes sense they would look like a underdeveloped albino human with sunken black eyes and a jutting mouth that spent most of its time in dark caves. They were supposed to be a radically altered human that evolved faster than humanity as it underwent panspermia.
The breen are supposed to be vaguely humanoid in shape only, not skin texture, nor emotion, or even ideology. They're bipedal, have two arms, a torso and a head. That's all the semblance they have with humans. It's supposed to be a mystery what they look like underneath.
only true legends remember "Space Above and Beyond"
It’s been over a year since I’ve watched ur channel. I was shocked that u still review this show. I just want to THANK YOU for suffering through this train wreck for us. U are TRULY my hero.
The writers: "The B in Breen looks kind of like a G... Let's make the Breen Green! And it rhymes too! "
Breen reveal and they're like the most generic looking aliens ever.
Also, in a rare moment of Michael actually making sense, she pointed out to L'ak that the Breen will more than likely just kill them and take the tech if they try and sell it to them. He seems to know that and considers surrendering to the Federation, but then attacks Michael anyway and flees with Moll. But, she should have also told him that the Breen destroyed everything in the future and there's no sign of either him or Moll still being alive which might have swayed him, but conveniently left that part out.
The Jelly Breens! Do they come in different flavors?
I prefer Breens on toast, but if I’m hungry, they are often Gorn in 60 seconds.
@@GreatestCornholio Kling on to that memory.
Can't wait for another couple decades they finally decide to retcon discovery's future timeline as an alternate timeline.
Better yet, Disco is a completely different reality altogether. No connection whatsoever with the "prime" reality.
I gave up on the show half way through series 4 but never stopped watching your reviews..
I put it together as I was watching this video as you were saying it. The Proginetors are the Founders and the Breen want to rebuild the Dominion.
ETA: The paradise in the Gamma Quadrant is the Founders homeworld where refugees from the burn live with the Founder. We may see a CGI Odo or something like that. It ends sort of like Return of The Jedi.That's my prediction.
Sci-fi White Walkers...quite a loss for the Breen to be revealed on this show. Not even a proper build up of their culture, I had to go do a deep dive on Memory Alpha to see what we knew about the Breen. Sad.
Moll: Then one day, he just stopped coming home. My mom had to get a job in the rubindium mines. You have any idea what that's like? She died when I was 14, and... I was left completely alone.
My god.
Actually, this dialogue reminded of the Simpsons episode, when the school photographer saw Lisa’s braces, he responded with a gasp, then he closed his eyes as he took the picture, while he quietly whispered: “There is no God!”
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Hi I'm Moll and I like long walks on the beach. What do you need?
More evidence.
I think NuTrek has been using AI to aid in their scripts since S2 of Discovery.
ever since the burn it hasn't been easy to find a pack of cigarettes.
I have no idea how you managed to keep watching this show for so many seasons.
A Bajoran not knowing what a wormhole is is like a Vulcan who doesnt know logic. This show really likes to screw up Canon, Alex Kurtzman is the Chris Chibnall of StarTrek, these fools love ruining established canon and ruining Franchises.
"Is that the ISS Enterprise?" LOL!!! Even a simple line like that they can't get right. Why would Raynor ever say that?! He may have commented that it looks like a Constitution Class, perhaps. But the ISS Enterprise does not look any different from the USS Enterprise -- especially with blinding light shining behind it. These writers are the absolute worst.
Pretty sure it was the letters I.S.S. Enterprise passing the viewscreen that told them what ship it was
@@InimicalWit Except the blaring light behind it made the writing on the ship unrecognizable
@@stopgeorge You know what’s happened to me a lot in life? People think I can’t have made a particular deduction, based on what they’ve been able to observe, so they believe I’ve been lying to them or knew in the first place.
It sucks to be hated, like that; and that’s the resonance your message has.
Imagine some of these people (fictional characters) becoming experts on a thing and not telling you about it, first.
I’m still so astonished by people hating on recent Star Trek.
The show is, was, and I imagine always will be, one of the shows available to us that teaches us about overcoming misunderstanding and sharing perspectives without so much anger and hate - and yet fans of that show will be so angry and hateful without the leeway for discussion.
I grew up on Star Trek. This is Star Trek. 💙
"It makes no sense if you think about it." I would argue that it also makes no sense if you don't think about it. It's just that dumb. Exhibit A: "Is that the ISS Enterprise?" Exhibit B: "How did a starship from another dimension get into a interdimensional wormhole?"
For me, the most annoying thing is the puzzle. We see all the time that Burnham has the majority of the pieces, yet Shin Hati is progressing to solve it. It really looks like they used generative AI for the script without knowing how it works, so during prompting, the AI always forgets previous parts.
More than a few are thinking this was originally AI generated. I'm reminded of the Enterprise entering a space sphincter in TMP during this episode. There are familiar elements littered throughout this season that is like something generative AI would come up with. Familiar elements but disconnected from the actual lore.
The Breen were first mentioned, if I recall correctly, in the TNG episode “The Price.” so within the context of the show, that is like 900 years earlier, but in our production timeline that is literally, in the 1980s. So it is sort of strange that within hundreds of years of fictional time, and decades of our time-no one EVER saw a Bremen’s face… hmmmm
I think it was in TNG's Hero Worship it was mentioned they wear helmets
@@NitpickingNerd Yes, it is restated several times that we know very little, before DS9 it's basically only that they wear helmets, are fairly aggressive, privateers exist among them, and they use disruptors. DS9 still keeps them mysterious, we get some design elements, a rank, and a view of them in refrigeration suit, that they're quite powerful, and that the climate on their homeworld is pleasant. That they don't pop up much in power plays lets us know they're somewhat isolationist. But apart from that they were pretty much a blank slate, what a waste to make them be made of green jell-o, and be such a repeat culture, nothing new, no interesting angle.
@Nitpicking Nerd, you are correct about that, as usual, I think in my mind, I remembered that “The Price” what is the first episode to do something important, but I think it was actually the first one to refer to the galaxy as being divided into four quadrants: alpha, beta, gamma, and delta! Before that, the word quadrant was used, just me 1/4 of anything, but after “The Price” it became exclusively, used to mean 1/4 of the galaxy.
I don't care what they show in discovery, the breen are furries that need the refrigeration suit because fursuits are very hot.
So Discovery has managed to ruin the Breen now as well, just going down the list I guess
I've never watched even a minute of this show, and I never will
you lucky bastard
Then "you have not seen what I have seen..." 😂
I hate to actually defend Star Trek: Discovery. But at least two things weren't as illogical as stated in the video.
1. Moll and La'ak (stupid Bonny and Clyde ripoff by the way) escaped on what I guess is a modified photon torpedo. Someone says to Rayner that the I.S.S. Enterprise is charging weapons. I can forgive that because the couriers are supposed to be resourceful.
2. In one DS9 episode Weyoun says (I think to Damar) that the Breen are a mistery to him, since their homeworld seems to be normally tempered and they don't actually would have to wear their suits for temperature reasons (as stated in the video). This also explains why the founders trusted them. They are not too dissimilar when it comes to holding a solid form.
Since this is not real star trek, I will stay with my theory about the breen, that they are a 100% technological species and they refrigerate for processor cooling.
Another Disco turd .
Why is booker recording a log anyway ? He is a reformed smuggler so who is he recording it for anyway ?
So torpedo's aren't full of anti- matter already ?
How does the hundreds of years old ship still have full power ?
When mikey spock and booker are flying the Enterprise through the wormhole she sits in the Captains chair and leaves him to fly the ship himself because he knows how to fly a hundreds of years old ship ?
So a mirror universe enterprise can be flown back to star fleet by 2 people ? Didn't kirk need 20 even with the M-5 computer ?
Personal journal?
My understanding is that Rhys was suggesting changing out the half and half mix for a payload of pure antimatter to maximize the impact.
The Enterprise was not at full power; being inside a wormhole with some sort of exotic matter may have had a role to play in the reserves not being depleted. There's also the minute possibility that Moll and L'ok gave it some sort of a jump start and lost their ship in the process.
Book has spent a significant amount of time on a refitted 23rd century vessel; it's not outside the realm of possibility that he's studied elements of its operation.
To your last point, Michael stated to Book that she was having Owosekun and Detmer head a team to take the Enterprise back to Starfleet Headquarters.
Why did the 90s Breen have a face extension like a dog but now it’s gone???
It reminds me of how they ruined Star Wars aliens by revealing that so many of them are just humans wearing helmets. It’s so stupid and cheap. They should be wearing helmets because they can’t breathe the atmosphere and are very much not human.
They made the gorn into xenomorphs
The extension in DS9 could be explained by it holding something they need to add to the air they breathe in, a sort of filter that adds something, but that still leaves a problem with why they're wearing it at home or on their own vessels. For that I would have much preferred a slow build up to it being something cultural with a distant past origin, akin to how Dr. Antak in ENT says that he might change medical fields now that cranial reconstruction might be a big thing. That way we could be given a historical reason, and allow time for a slower build up to someone breaking the "rules" as it were for a better reason than "love at first fight".
It was designed to give the impression of a wolf snout. When it was first designed the Breen were never really meant to have any importance.
Author David Mack however reconciled this by establishing that the Breen are infact multiple different species with one of them, the Fenrisal being a Lupine race which are influence behind the snout-like part of the helmet.
Forgot.. the solution to expanding the opening of the Wormhole, is to swap the Photon torpedo payload with antimatter, that would provide the energy to hold it open for a minute before collapsing!? I guess Photo torpedoes use Dilithium explosives now.
Moll: "I like latinum and long walks on the beach."
A villain who speed-dates.
Are we supposed to boo her or chat her up?
Breen looks like if Robin Willams matted with Flabber!
The episode before showed what would happen if discovery didn't get out of the time loop so in that timeline how did Moll and Lak manage to escape the wormhole without the help of the bestest ever Mikey Spock?
The DS9 showrunners said they always imagined the Breen were tiny creatures in giant suits like those aliens in Men in Black. That would have been far more interesting.
Stargate atlantis did that
@@NitpickingNerd Yeah and that was pretty cool, even if it was kinda lazy that it was just the Asgard lol
You are brave to do this to yourself.
I made it through the two pilot episodes of season one and noped out. It was fairly obvious that this is where we would end up.
On the positive side, new fans are learning how to see the signs.
The Breen thing is like Kylo Ren wearing a mask. He didnt need it but wanted to look cool. What a hot mess ST has become.
They can retcon the series by saying it was worf’s nightmare
The last episode will be riker in the holodeck trying to learn nightbird with the piano playing guy on discovery
The name thing looks like some identitarian idea. Maybe you choose your name like your gender or whatever...
DS9 said the Breen being from a frozen planet was false intelligence, actually
I mentioned that. But they still used refrigirator suits
@@NitpickingNerd My bad, didn't hear you say that. I wonder what the original explanation for refrigerator suits would have been by better writers.
Even captain Kirk was not a superhero character that can do everything and that can save everyone.Even captain kirk wasn't like that.
Ignoring the fact that the writers contradicted themselves in the same episode again by saying there were no escape pods. How fast does an escape pod go from an 800+ year old ship? How can Discovery not simply catch them with their tractor beam after a short Warp 9 run?!
Yeah the Moll backstory was way too sappy and teenagey, and these are adults being paid hundreds of thousands of dollars writing this.
Even if the Bajorans moved beyond worshipping the prophets, they still live right next to Bajor, probably.
Even if her family emigrated and abandoned their culture. Starfleet education should have taught her about significant stellar phenomena.
The Breen began as Green but then lost the G (but retain the color).
So so much bad writing. They couldn't even make a callback to last week's episode where Rayner brings up Rhys' love of Constitution Class starships by giving him the line, "hey isn't that the ISS Enterprise?" No, instead they give it to Stammets who visually identifies not only that it's the Enterprise but the Terran model. Well he's part Tartigrade now so that probably gives him superior eyesight I guess. Take everything Star Trek out of it and this show is still a festering pile of cliches and twee, predictable relationships.
I see a SNW mirror universe episode coming up next season then, as they wouldn't have spent the money decorating the set for just STD.
Yep there is one
Maybe that was the plan, not anymore.
The writing is the equivalent of seeing a malformed hand in generative AI.
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I still say that Kurtzman needs a "Cannon Comity"
The Breen should never have been revealed, it was better to keep the mystery, but little hope with that given the showrunners/writers. I suppose we're lucky that they didn't turn out to be humans in disguise, a rogue colony that was very successful.
Called it in regards to L'ak. 😊
No you didn't
The Breen were meant to wear the suit because they are all different so all wanted to look the same... but STD can do whatever it wants. I don't watch after the transGhosts episodes.
I love u man and at first I get your comment about the bajorian not knowing that it looked like the bajorian worm hole but we truly don’t know what happened to it and it has been 900 years since we have seen it.
Remember it just appeared one day 900 years is a long tome. Now if u say that worm hole is still there then I would say your point is 100% valid.
Doubt we will ever know forbsure. Trek today leaves to many holes
Closed captions replacing Breen with Brain is quite funny.
They could have explained it by saying 'Skroll' was a defective Breen or had a virus which stopped him from looking like the 'gelatinous' Breen, so he was shunned. That would be more interesting and explain why he likes a solid. In any case Skroll looks like a boring green alien, when they had the chance to make the Breen look totally cool and alien. The gelatinous forms do look cool, though.
Good in-depth review.
Where the hell are the Tzenkethi? They mentioned they are needing to go into their space and need pernission but we never hear or see anything else? Would be interesting to see if they look like they do in Star Trek Online or not.
I'm really confused about what these two are up to and why. Didn't they come this close to selling the first item to the android Fred and only didn't sell to him because he didn't offer enough latinum? Why would they do that if they needed to go find the secret and sell that? ugh nevermind.
After reading the comments..the season plot is cool explaining breen and founders connection. As always individual episode execution is poor
Exactly these kids can’t write
Regarding the warp pods, weren't those a thing only in the TNG era? Like the one used to transport Worf's lover? Don't recall them ever being in the TOS era, not sure if the Mirror Universe had them.
There are so many fiery explosions in STD, you’d think starships in the 32 century are powered by natural gas. Everything in STD magically happens to move the meager plot along. I don’t think the actors care because the writers don’t.
The whole process of trying to make sense of this show is exhausting -- not to mention pointless.
are they gonna refit that mirror enterprise and put floating nacelles on it
one thing i think is poorly designed is their combadges. The camera doesn't pick up the Starfleet insignia on them and they just look like buttons on their uniform.
Also, breen corpses. After the dominion war, people would know what Breen look like for sure, after "clean up" yknow.
It’s kind of weird to be mad “the mystery is gone” when there’s still so many questions about what the Breen culture and biology actually are lol
I guess Moll and La'ak ran out of those ACME insta-hole bombs. You would think that Burnham and Book would be more concerned about that happening again inside of an interdimensional wormhole. "Q" in Discovery seems to be the "Q" from James Bond movies. But here, he services the bad guys with the gimmick weapons.
Discount Emilia Clarke
I wonder if they got a threat from Disney to redesign the iconic Breen armour into 'generic sci-fi mask' 'cause something similar first appeared in Star Wars, or if they're just completely lacking in originality and consistency; nevermind, I obviously just answered my own question. :)
If the Bajoran is part of the crew from the 23rd Century, sure, she knows about the Celestial Temple, but she’s never seen an actual Wormhole. They don’t find it till the 24th.
I'm wondering, why would they even write this into the script? Of all the characters they could have uttering this line, they chose a Bajoran. Was that their attempt at irony? I don't think they are that smart.
No . she is a new member of the crew. In the 23d century they were still pre warp so wouldnt be in starfleet
It was another rubbish episode. Of course Mikey Spock goes on yet another dangerous mission as you pointed in your Major Grin channel.
I watched it twice and fell asleep in the 3rd act both times, gonna try again today
The Keira thing always bothered me so much. At least TWICE she took a Breen outfit so how does she not know what they look like? A rare L for DS9.
Just because Kira found out doesn’t mean it would be public knowledge, or intergalactic knowledge for that matter.
easily my favourite std reviewer :D, nerdrotic take note, new nu trek king
maybe... they're using ChatGPT to write scripts now. I noticed my computer now has a microsoft AI on it, and I prompted it to write me an outline of a short story. It does a competent job, albeit the story was cliche and boring.. like an STD episode. It occurs to me that AI will have trouble with continuity.
Why didn't they send more shuttles into the anomaly? Either from the start or later, to check on them when they lost contact? In fact, why didn't they send probes first? This was a totally artificial crisis.
BTW, I don't think it's a problem that a Bajoran asked about the anomaly. She's so familiar with the Bajoran Wormhole that she clearly sees it as something different. And it doesn't have to be obvious from the visuals that it's a wormhole, there are many other possibilities in Star Trek.
Did she come forward in time with Discovery, or is she native to the 32nd century? If she’s part of the original Discovery crew, the wormhole hadn't been discovered yet, & who knows how much she’s been on Bajor since they arrived in the future.
@@augiegirl1 That's a very good point. Even if she's from the 32nd century, maybe she's never been to Bajor (with the Burn and stuff). And she's not wearing traditional jewelry, so she's probably not religious. For all we know, the Bajoran religion might have been abandoned by this time.
@@augiegirl1they introduced her as a new crewmember 2 episodes ago.
In 23d century bajorans were still pre warp so wouldnt be in starfleet
Kira might stole suit that was in someones wardrobe.
Also shouldn't ISS Enterprise desintegrate like Georgiou due to Mirror Timeline and Prime Timeline diverging even further?
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Okay, this is the first of your videos I’ve watched, but
I can’t tell if you’re trying to engage a discussion with differing viewpoints - or are happy to have all the hateful remarks of an echo chamber I’ve been reading on this video and from the smaller clips on the channel that linked me here….
Remember when Kirk told McCoy: “Young minds, fresh ideas. Try to be tolerant.” ?
Yeah. That lesson of life. Totally. 💙💙
So, I don’t know, I kind of felt like this was the best episode of the season. Total opposite of your take. That doesn’t mean that I don’t take your points. I guess I just overlooked them in the spirit of suspension of disbelief. This is not to say I don’t have my own nitpicks from week to week because I do. But I just took their whole romance thing at face value, I didn’t really think about the depth of the dialogue. As for the issue with the shuttle, I think what they said was that they escaped in a small emergency sick bay escape pod, and I can accept that when they said earlier in the episode that they were not shuttles or anything, or that all the shuttles were taken they overlooked that. I think that’s what you’re supposed to take away from it given how they reacted when they saw the shuttle and they say something about oh, it’s a special sick bay escape pod thing to kind of explain why they didn’t initially think there were any shuttles left. I have always thought that this show was trash but you know sometimes I think people are too hard on it. Like the whole thing about Michael always going on the mission. F’ing Kirk always went on the mission. F’ing Picard always went on the mission. Sisco frequently went on missions. So I don’t get that whole thing where people have an issue with that.
Picard always went on missions? You need to rewatch TNG my friend.
And even when they went they always took a whole team with them
@@NitpickingNerd well not eeevvvry mission, but the man went planetside quite a bit. Come on, now.
Sure, they took security. I didn’t comment on that aspect. I just said captains often go on away missions. Its long been a thing.
@@positronichypersonic4928. It makes no sense she refuses to take security personel especially not knowing what will be on the other side of the wormhole
@@NitpickingNerd I concur.
How is Nitpicking Nerd still watching this and how is it getting less hate than Picard did in the comment section
Too many producers, too many rewrites and they just don't care about what was done before. I stopped watching after the 4 episode of Season 2 but I love hearing about how bad it still is. In the Typhon Pack novels they are exactly like you mentioned. They are a coaltion of several worlds and species. Dukat also mentioned that they weren't from a freezing world. Who is that black guy we see in so many scenes who is not wearing a uniform?
The idea that the progenitors all left is pretty dumb as well. Like they never discovered anything genetically similar without that other bull crap.
What Do the Breen REALLY Look Like?
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I heard "they went to warp, but we CAN track them" 🤔 maybe i missheard
About one hour and three minutes into the episode, Rayner says, "But they left a warp signature. We'll track it. Putting out an alert."
I missed your channel man.
Star Trek "absolutely ridiculous" Discovery
I thought the Breen were going to be controlled by the parasitic beings from Conspiracy sitting on a chair pressing the buttons. There were lots of great theories and I think original writer for the Breen had some ideas but those are gone now and its a average at best answer.
the sunken eyeball sockets on the breen and the progenitor are really annoying and i cant stop thinking about them. I don't like these full-face masks, they're fake and i wish they'd just go back to giving all the aliens forehead bumps and receding hairlines like in TNG.
part of me wants to think that the breen and progenitors are linked somehow by more than just the progenitors' DNA being in every star trek alien since they both have smooth featureless faces and sunken eyes but I doubt they're going to do that, this is far more likely to be a byproduct of bad makeup than anything else.
The breen having a gelatinous form when they're wearing the masks seems like some sort of flair for the sake of flair. Every modern TV show and movie has a problem with the CGI department over-animating and adding in animated details that don't make sense (michael bay transformers being the best example) solely because computers made it cheap to do that and they think they're impressing us by showing off how many tiny moving greebles they can squeeze into shots that ought to be mundane.
I stopped watching at episode 1 of season 4. Maybe, at long last, Paramount execs realized just how bad STD is. It's not just some old timer Trekkies wishing for TNG; STD really is a horribly bad show and it is right to cancel it.
Just like Picard/locutus with the name thing am I right?! Haha
Wow - you guys still watch this tripe?
I appreciate your sacrifice! (but I just can't bring myself to)
Changing your name is already something that exists in actual cultures, here, right now, in actual reality….
That’s not made up
yeah but they constantly do this idea that "your lover gives you a new name" in every Nutrek show
@@NitpickingNerd Constantly? Every? … Thinking about Picard and Lower Decks and Strange New Worlds… off hand I don’t remember
Researching….
(Genuinely, I’m fascinated by these different viewpoints)💙
Okay, difficult thing to search for. I’m just getting a lot of meta details about inspiration and Lists of Kirk’s Lovers
I remember in “Star Trek” (2009), we got Uhura’s first name simultaneously learning she and Spock were a thing - but I don’t think that’s what’s being talked about, here 💙
All these little inner stories are from kid's stories. Why? Because we are dumb as hell and only like to watch explosions.
Oh boy, good that STD is just bad fanfiction garbage and not actual Star Trek Canon else it would be very bad for the entire franchise and that's putting it mildly.
They ruined the Breen. Well done
The Breen wear those suits all the time, because they took Covid Mask Mandates to far😂
Where exactly is shin-hottie and her lover going? They do not have the clue the key-to-everthing has it -- where are they going? why does the key-to-everything worry about where they are going who cares? they have the clue -- no??
They probably scanned that vial that tells where to go next. thats why they were in sickbay in that ship
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Wait, when you say “that was kind of stupid” are you trying to critique the writers for having characters that would be reckless or are you critiquing the characters for being reckless?
Kira did it twice.
don't worry, the mystery is still alive and well, because this crap is not star trek!