Judgement should be on this list It’s 100 base power, 100 accuracy, 10PP. It’s type changes on its user (Arceus). Meaning it gets a stab boost so x1.5 boost so 150 damage, AND that the plate arceus is holding adds an extra x1.2 boost to all moves of the same type, making judgement a 180 base power move with 100 accuracy and 10PP, not to mention arceus has really good stats
EC: 'Geomancy is bad because you have to wait a turn before it's useful' Also EC: 'Flame lash is almost game breaking cause after you use it multiple times it starts to be useful!!'
Technically if it wasn’t tied to Heatmor and got properly spread it’d be the inverse of Power-Up Punch. Power-Up Punch is still one of MegaK’s best moves (until SWSH that is when megas get the mass extinction treatment) and overall is a solid stall/wall break “set up while dealing damage and keeping momentum” move. Flame Lash realistically would be a much more intimidating switch deterrent and would be viable against phase teams where P-UP would falter. Geomancy is good… but phasing will ruin it and waste an item slot in the process and that’s one of the biggest downfalls I see Xerneas usually facing.
@@gameinsane4718 power up punch and fire lash have very different effects though, lowering your target's defense is generally worse than boosting your own attack, esp for sweepers which are generally the types that actually go through with boosting moves. Lowering defense only works on the one target Pokemon until it faints or swaps out, boosting Atk can allow you to run through more than one Pokemon while continuing to boost. Also Geomancy boosts a ton of stats on a Pokemon that already has fantastic base stats, while heatmor is pretty lacking
See the difference, in my eyes, is that with geomancy your spending 2 turns doing no damage to boost your stats, where with Flame lash you still hitting base 80 stab the first time and only getting stronger with each hit. I think they are both good but I understand why he sees geomancy as bad.
@@andrewcullen2527 Andrew Cullen I understand your thinking, but while flame lash has 80 bp it's still coming off a Pokemon with under 100 base attack and other stats that are far worse. Even ignoring that and assuming xerneas and heatmor had the same base stats, moonblast, which is the most common move after Geomancy boost, has a bp of 95 and with Geomancy your special is doubled as well, so after just two attacks you're massively out damaging the heatmor who is only slowly increasing the base 80 flame lash. Fairy type is also far more effective of an attacking and defending type than fire. The aforementioned also ignores the fact many players run power herb which allows Geomancy to charge in just one turn, making it clearly more effective. The only possible situation in which flame lash would be better is if you could one shot the xerneas while it's using Geomancy which takes a lot more effort than stopping a heatmor.
Geomancy Xern has been tested and successful in VGC and Smogon Ubers formats, especially next to Primal Grouson for VGC. Flame lash is never used. There is no comparison
Emperor Cubone: "Geomancy is easily anticipated in competitive play." Xerneas: *Is still a top tier threat in the Ubers tier and VGC strictly because of that move.*
@@abhishekverma8303 Some sets even run Fairium Z for the omniboost that comes with it, but most sets just stick with Power Herb. Like, yes, it's predictable, but that doesn't mean there's much you can do to stop it unless you're specifically prepared to. It's like Spore on Smeargle; You know it most likely has it, but good luck halting the inevitable.
@@mettatonex7221 yup you will see it coming but you can not stop it because a good xern user would have already chipped or even KO'd them so called countersp
@@abhishekverma8303 Exactly. Good players don't send out their best first. They analyze the opponent's team to realize what poses trouble for their designated sweeper and have their support mons clear the way for a late game sweep. "Uh-oh, there's a Dusk Mane on the other team. Good thing I came prepared with Primal Groudon or Yveltal. I'll send out one of them first." Within each tier, you will never find a Pokemon that can do the job on it's own. If there is, that's when it gets banned. The best teams are the ones that are designed to cover each other's weaknesses.
no, because volcarona is my faouvirte pokemon, and please dont take away its signature move. that would suck. for example: yeah, it totally makes sense for entei to learn sacred fire, but its also ho-ohs signature move, so its kinda lame, why couldnt you give entei just its own signature move?
Everyone in the comments: Geomancy is such a powerful move, so much better than Oblivion wing. Me, a Pokémon casual who teaches his Pokémon all damaging moves and no status changing moves: 👀
Geomancy is better (arguably only because it can be fudged with held Items), but don't sleep on a Flying-type Giga Drain, Oblivion Wing deserves mad respect.
I have to agree with Renael Steele here. I was going to point out that you probably were referring to how the move loses its usefulness if you can't hit first, but then after thinking about it I see that probably you should have made a note of the Attack being halved and not the Speed. Because even if you're slower than your opponent, they can and probably do have full health by the time you attack them, so that isn't very relevant.
Not only VGC. I mean Xern in singles is either specs/scarf or bulky resttalk (veery rare case). Most sets are Powerherb Geomancy. You only need one free turn for a potential moonblast sweep (don't forget the fairy aura making +2 stab from a great sptack reaaally strong). And the is plenty of setup fodder in ubers. Scarf Yveltal (especially locked in dark pulse), lugia (without whirlwind, burned physical attackers (Ekiller), a lot of arceus forms... especially defensive willow defog recover judgment ones and plenty more. A team without multiple Xerneas checks is bad. Groudon can be worn down, sash marshadow can lose it's sash, magerna can be worn down. The best check to xerneas is probably duskmane. But even that has to be careful and can't just switch in and take 2 big hits.
@@vinchisamadesu But not everyone uses marshadow/psych-up etc - and they all dont have priority, so xerneas outspeeds if the opp doesnt have marshadow out, and why would you geomancy into a marshadow when you know its out? What im saying is, not everyone uses it, and you can play around it pretty easily
Fun Fact: In Gen 6, Klefki actually used Fairy Lock as an extremely niche and technical option. If you used Fairy Lock before fainting (especially considering Prankster) you could effectively give yourself a free turn to set up on whatever was left in. A common partner was Gyarados whose Intimidate allowed it to set up on Zard X pretty easily. It required proper MUs and right timing but hey at least it had some competitive value, especially in counter queue MUs in tournaments or drafts.
seed flare on the Shaymin line (Shaymin Sky Forme in specific) is also extremely powerful 120 base power attack, having an up to 80% chance lowering special defense by 2 stages each time it hits. Maybe not number 1 because of the 85% accuracy but definitely worth a spot in my opinion.
Yeah, I basically just disqualified anything that wasn't 100% accurate. That may not be totally fair, but at the same time, the "best" move shouldn't miss in a pinch and lose you the battle...
I would like to take a moment to recognize the sheer quantity of egg puns in the Barrage segment. A "grade-A" choice? It probably won't go "over-easy"? Barrage doesn't "crack" the top? It leaves you to "scramble" for anything better? A "hard-boiled" attempt to cause damage? Dragon Hammer was "poached" by Tropius? The only unique feature left in their "basket"? Come on, man, this wasn't even a two minute segment!
Precipice Blades is a little underwhelming given its accuracy, that it’s not considered essential in either major formats of competitive, and that Thousand Arrows, another physical ground move, is one of the best attacking moves in the game. It’s definitely a great move but not the very top.
It sucks that you have to run Hone Claws if you want to have a good accuracy and you can hold wide lens or zoom lens but you can’t use Primal Groudon, so just get one from a generation with Groudon and the TM for Hone Claws
In my opinion geomancy is better than oblivion wing, which is a good move, but using power herb to power up all of your stats by two stages in one turn is extremely powerful, and as you said it can be expected in competitive, but most of the you can't really do anything about it because of how powerful it is, otherwise xerneas wouldn't have influenced the meta the way it did
@@Scourge728 Do you play Taunt on every Pokémon and everyone of them is faster than Xerneas? - No? I guessed so, and if you taunt it once, it will just be retrieved and has a chance the next time it enters the battlefield.
What about Dragon Ascent? 1) 120 power 2) 100% accuracy 2) Allows Mega Rayquaza to Mega Evolve WITHOUT a Mega Stone 3) Allows Mega Rayquaza to hold an item, like Choice Band or Choice Scarf Plus it looks SO amazing!
Purple-Smart Heart sadly not exclusive as both Dracovish and Arctovish learns it. But in ancient times, whatever the original ‘vish Pokémon would’ve had it as an exclusive
Um, hello? Where's Spectral Thief? Signature move of Marshadow? 100 damage and 100 accuracy? You steal the target's stat boosts, and THEN attack? IN THE SAME TURN?! How could that not be on the list?
@@infinitethunder6184 I mean considering the whole point of the move is to get rid of the stat changes, switching out is just doing It a favor and taking a free hit
tbf he's right about it being easily anticipated, but like, it's easily anticipated because it's so busted.. 99% of xerneas you see run power herb geo lol -- as opposed to oblivion wing, which many yveltal don't even use :X though if he included hackmons: yeah oblivion wing triage m rayquaza is dumb
@@konchu5221 ....i have never seen a yveltal NOT run oblivion wing. But even if that was true, there really isnt much counterplay to geomancy unless you have some really hard checks, most of which are bad in Xern's tier with the exception of Lugia which rarely runs whirlwind (And gets 2 shot anyways assuming your switching in.). That alone makes it better than oblivion wing which is also ridiculous to counterplay, but that's another story.
"Geomancy is easily dealt with in competitive" Dude, Xerneas defines the meta in both Singles (smogon ubers) AND VGC doubles. Geomancy with Xern stats is ridiculous, specially when it's paired with Power Herb. Most teams either have Xerneas or a way of dealing with him
@@bojance1978 yup, it was just called splash in gen 1 because it only belonged to magikarp which is also a reason why splash is a normal-type move and not a water-type move
Kinesis wasn't that bad in the first games because Flash used to be even *worse* with only *70%* accuracy. It was also a good move to spam during the fight with legendaries with high Special stats. Normally you'd want your glass cannon hitting hard, but against something like Mewtwo which could just use recover, spamming kinesis was a great way to keep the rest of your team safer from its psychic attacks while you hurl various Ppokeballs at it.
I didn't know that Dark Void got nerfed to 50 accuracy, it used to be like 80 iirc. When you mentioned Conversion I was wondering about it because I remember a defensive Starmie set that changed types. Then you mentioned Reflect Type and everything made sense, lol.
Power Herb Geomancy Xerneas is extremely powerful in competitive. Like It's a top threat right behind mega groudon in gen 6 and it still remains an incredibly powerful set in USM sitting in A+ tier.
Sketch isnt that good You have to hope that the opponent uses a good move, smeargle has to survive that move and then keep that move forever. You probably wont even get STAB
@@blacephalussy bro, wobbufet is a very good competetive pokemon but it is very gimmicky. Ditto is useless on his own, being good only because of tranform. And you are saying that smeargle relying on sketch is bad?
18:35 I was confused when you said to just use Flash instead of Kinesis, because it won't miss and I thought to myself. The reason Flash was utterly useless was because it missed a lot. I looked it up and I was right. 70% accuracy, but only up until gen 4 where they made Flash have 100% accuracy. Flash was worse than Kinesis from gen I to gen III.
I think that electrify would work amazingly on heliolisk if it was part ground type, I mean it can have sand veil and is found in desert-like area's so I don't see any reason why it sould be normal type.
Topsy Turvy is super underrated imo. I use it every time I see an Eevee on someone’s team because 9 times out of 10, they’re gonna use Evoboost + Baton Pass
It is underrated but malamar always runs superpower to get stat boosts. Why sacrifice a move slot to lower stats when you already can OHKO the foe with your stat boosts?
@@NazimUddin-we5tv Malamar usually uses Contrary to abuse moves like close combat to gain buffs, you wouldn't really want to use topsy-turvy to reverse your own buffs.
I really like this list a ton. Lots of Gen 5 and Gen 6 love here as well. I will say that from a competitive standpoint, Xerneas' Geomancy is often paired with a Power Herb, which typically makes the move overpowered. Likewise though, I've seen a good bit of Oblivion Wing from Yveltal around the same rate as Geomancy, so best case scenario, they're both really powerful moves. I really wish that Heatmor was a stronger (or at least faster Pokemon) so that Fire Lash could become useful. But yeah, great video!
“Easily anticipated in competitive” Allow me to introduce you to all of gen 6 and 7 vgc/ubers where this thing dominated, especially in doubles with follow me and in both with red herb
Don't take his opinion very seriously it's obvious that he's not even considering the competitive side of things. I'd be fine with that of it weren't for the clickbait title, instead of best it should have been favorite. Haven't finished watching yet and I know sketch, thousand arrows, dark void, geomancy, and specteral thief isn't even on the list despite half these pokemon only being much more viable because of the signature move with marshadow being the only real exception(notice how after dark void nerf Darkrai immediately stopped being a theat in ubers)
@@petelee2477 dark void got nerfed hard in gen 7. 50% accuracy. Geomancy. Power herb helps, but: Taunt, encore, spectral theif. Spectral thief should've been on there, I agree. Thousand arrows was on there, don't jump the gun.
Also, something to add on .__. Electrify is extremely situational, as you just said. Could work with Volt absorb. Or lightning rod. That'd make it better as well.
@@titanium4082 Taunt isn't a counter to geomancy because Xerneas can simply switch out, keeping power herb intact to use at a later point. Encore doesn't work unless used by pokemon with prankster, most of which are terrible in competitive (the best being Whimsicott). Spectral thief is another signature move, but a max speed Marshadow can't outspeed a +2 Xerneas and gets OHKO'd by moonblast. Realistically, the only true counter to geomancy Xerneas is a phasing move like roar or whirlwind, which started to be used by Groudon and Lugia respectively only after Xerneas was introduced. So geomancy was so powerful that it changed the best set on two pokemon, literally shifting the meta. And even if you counted all of that, a signature move that has only four theoretical counters, one of which is exclusive to one pokemon, sounds pretty overpowered to me.
Just arguing for Cubone's sake here (though I personally agree) that perhaps he's going based off the fact that Spectral Thief is just a somewhat above average move until the target raises their own stats. Since I'm unfamiliar with the newer games, does it also steal negative stats? Granted, even if it does, you wouldn't want to use it in that situation, but...
thechannel 152 Spectral thief only gets stat boosts. It will leave certain stat boosts alone if the user already has fully boosted that certain stat, though.
What is not cool about Heatmor? He looks much better than the boring dragon known as Charizard. Anteaters should be more popular, they are far more special, unique and cooler than Lions and other overused animals.
Heatmor is actually kinda cool-looking. I think that what holds it back is that its stats are an absolute trashfire. It has two moderately high attack stats (only one of which you'll usually need) and awful everything else. If it dropped one of its attack stats and instead invested these stats into speed, or defense, or anything, it might have been a decent mon, as it stands it has nothing to back its *only sort of decent* attacks
No way! I hate the rumor mill that's constantly going. I don't even want to hear anything until it comes in an official trailer from the company, I don't want it spoiled...
"Geomancy is too slow" Power Herb: Exists Power Herb: Is incredibly easy to acquire in Xerneas' game Power Herb: Makes Geomancy take one turn ... VGC Players: Xerneas OP.
I would like to address something. This guy is obviously not a competitive player. But that's okay. The Pokémon community thrives on the diversity of its fanbase.This guy is speaking from the standpoint of a casual player. Stop hating on him. Look, I don't agree with his placement of geomancy either. But I get how a noncompetitive player would place it there
Thousand Arrows should also be on Decidueye’s moveset... Also, Bonemerang should hit Flying and Levitate as well... That said, TA should not get any further distribution than that...
Apparently all of the Kalos starter's "signature" moves were given out to others afterwards. I wonder if the same will happen with the ones from Alola...?
You could actually change your move order in battle by pressing select in the fight screen in the older games. Doesn't really make Conversion that much better, but it at least used to have more usage. You might be able to do it in the summary screen during battle in the newer games but I never thought to try.
I don't mean to nitpick here but your remark about signature moves doesn't hold water when you showed Bonemerang before hand and Cubone family and Lucario get the move.
That's actually Bone RUSH. Bonemerang and Bone Club are still signature moves for the line all the way back since Gen 1. And Gen 7 introduced the new move Shadow Bone as well for the Alolan variant. Believe me, I know my Cubone facts. ;)
“Oblivion Wing is the sole flying type move that’s able to restore HP”
Roost: *Sadness noise*
sole DAMAGING flying type move that's able to restore HP
He doesn’t say that, he only says it’s the sole flying type move that can restore HP
Maybe he did, or maybe he just forgot about Roost. Either way it doesn’t mean I can’t joke about it
Blaze Either wat he say A SOLE flying type move so...
@@gyro3454 I know it's been 2 weeks but silence
“Fiery Lash is the signature move of Heatmor.”
Gen 8: ‘Here you go, Salazzle!’
And Centiskorch...
Isnt it amazing how given time information can become inaccurate?
Blast Burn dominatrix lizard
Not only Salazzle, but also Centiskorch
Because his explanation of signature move is nonsense, lockstin explained it way better.
Judgement should be on this list
It’s 100 base power, 100 accuracy, 10PP. It’s type changes on its user (Arceus). Meaning it gets a stab boost so x1.5 boost so 150 damage, AND that the plate arceus is holding adds an extra x1.2 boost to all moves of the same type, making judgement a 180 base power move with 100 accuracy and 10PP, not to mention arceus has really good stats
Bruh vullaby can learn judgement which makes it not a signature move anymore
@@KipaYumiya I have checked every source and no it can't
@@cactbro oh right, i mixed up judgment with punishment, my bad
@@KipaYumiya lol f
Yeah but it takes up an item slot as you have to equip a plate whereas you could use an actuall usefull item
EC: 'Geomancy is bad because you have to wait a turn before it's useful'
Also EC: 'Flame lash is almost game breaking cause after you use it multiple times it starts to be useful!!'
Technically if it wasn’t tied to Heatmor and got properly spread it’d be the inverse of Power-Up Punch.
Power-Up Punch is still one of MegaK’s best moves (until SWSH that is when megas get the mass extinction treatment) and overall is a solid stall/wall break “set up while dealing damage and keeping momentum” move.
Flame Lash realistically would be a much more intimidating switch deterrent and would be viable against phase teams where P-UP would falter.
Geomancy is good… but phasing will ruin it and waste an item slot in the process and that’s one of the biggest downfalls I see Xerneas usually facing.
@@gameinsane4718 power up punch and fire lash have very different effects though, lowering your target's defense is generally worse than boosting your own attack, esp for sweepers which are generally the types that actually go through with boosting moves. Lowering defense only works on the one target Pokemon until it faints or swaps out, boosting Atk can allow you to run through more than one Pokemon while continuing to boost. Also Geomancy boosts a ton of stats on a Pokemon that already has fantastic base stats, while heatmor is pretty lacking
See the difference, in my eyes, is that with geomancy your spending 2 turns doing no damage to boost your stats, where with Flame lash you still hitting base 80 stab the first time and only getting stronger with each hit.
I think they are both good but I understand why he sees geomancy as bad.
@@andrewcullen2527 Andrew Cullen I understand your thinking, but while flame lash has 80 bp it's still coming off a Pokemon with under 100 base attack and other stats that are far worse. Even ignoring that and assuming xerneas and heatmor had the same base stats, moonblast, which is the most common move after Geomancy boost, has a bp of 95 and with Geomancy your special is doubled as well, so after just two attacks you're massively out damaging the heatmor who is only slowly increasing the base 80 flame lash. Fairy type is also far more effective of an attacking and defending type than fire. The aforementioned also ignores the fact many players run power herb which allows Geomancy to charge in just one turn, making it clearly more effective. The only possible situation in which flame lash would be better is if you could one shot the xerneas while it's using Geomancy which takes a lot more effort than stopping a heatmor.
Geomancy Xern has been tested and successful in VGC and Smogon Ubers formats, especially next to Primal Grouson for VGC. Flame lash is never used. There is no comparison
Emperor Cubone: "Geomancy is easily anticipated in competitive play."
Xerneas: *Is still a top tier threat in the Ubers tier and VGC strictly because of that move.*
he has never heard of power herb i suppose
@@abhishekverma8303 Some sets even run Fairium Z for the omniboost that comes with it, but most sets just stick with Power Herb.
Like, yes, it's predictable, but that doesn't mean there's much you can do to stop it unless you're specifically prepared to. It's like Spore on Smeargle; You know it most likely has it, but good luck halting the inevitable.
@@mettatonex7221 yup you will see it coming but you can not stop it because a good xern user would have already chipped or even KO'd them so called countersp
@@abhishekverma8303 Exactly. Good players don't send out their best first. They analyze the opponent's team to realize what poses trouble for their designated sweeper and have their support mons clear the way for a late game sweep.
"Uh-oh, there's a Dusk Mane on the other team. Good thing I came prepared with Primal Groudon or Yveltal. I'll send out one of them first." Within each tier, you will never find a Pokemon that can do the job on it's own. If there is, that's when it gets banned. The best teams are the ones that are designed to cover each other's weaknesses.
But just haze
Actually, the best signature move is “throw pokeball” exclusive to trainers
Unfortunately that move got distributed to Oranguru in gen 7
*angry lipsmack*
Scooter Mcpeanuts shall I get the salt? I’m gonna get it anyway 🧂🧂🧂🧂🧂🧂🧂🧂
What about the bag
Ooooh yes that too
Alolan Marowak should be able to learn Fiery Dance. That litterally would make all the sense.
But it's a physical attacker, the move would be useless on it.....
@@ExcalibeonSwordofEeveelutions Even more reason to give it to him. It makes sense and it doesn't actually effect balancing at all.
Well if crygonoal can learn attract doesnt matter
no, because volcarona is my faouvirte pokemon, and please dont take away its signature move. that would suck. for example: yeah, it totally makes sense for entei to learn sacred fire, but its also ho-ohs signature move, so its kinda lame, why couldnt you give entei just its own signature move?
@@Paulito-ym4qc letting other pokemon have your signature move won't affect anything, except your pride I'm guessing.
I still remember when Leafblade was a signature move, fun times
What gen and what pokemon?
Gen 5 starter, though I wanna get into older games.
Lord Titanium gen 3 Grovile and Septile, gen 4 onwards a lot more Pokemon got acccess to it
Thanks for the info guys.
Didn't know that it used to be an exclusive move to grovyie and sceptile.
Leaf blade was never a signature move mainly to promote that gen anime it was similar to blaze kick and sky uppercut for the torchic line.
@@titanium4082 signature move of Grovyle and Sceptile in Gen 3
Back in Gen 1, Waterfall was Seaking’s signature move...
wut.
@@ytk2508 Yes,yes it is
@@ytk2508 it was also the only Pokémon for a few generations that can learn a hm through lv up
@@KageNoTenshi Waterfall wasn't an hm move until gen 3, though. edit: gen 2*
@@ZKichiro no gen 2
Everyone in the comments: Geomancy is such a powerful move, so much better than Oblivion wing.
Me, a Pokémon casual who teaches his Pokémon all damaging moves and no status changing moves: 👀
I used to do that
Me who doesn't go competitive and just likes to get as much coverage as possible on a single pokemon:
Geomancy is better (arguably only because it can be fudged with held Items), but don't sleep on a Flying-type Giga Drain, Oblivion Wing deserves mad respect.
@@autobotstarscream765 yes oblivion wing is insane but the thing is geomancy is even more insane
why
GameFreak: gives Regigigas a signature ability that halves Speed.
also GameFreak: gives Regigigas a signature move that requires Speed.
JoaoG R This statement is incorrect
Also gamefreak: makes Galarian weezing
I have to agree with Renael Steele here. I was going to point out that you probably were referring to how the move loses its usefulness if you can't hit first, but then after thinking about it I see that probably you should have made a note of the Attack being halved and not the Speed. Because even if you're slower than your opponent, they can and probably do have full health by the time you attack them, so that isn't very relevant.
@@reddragonair3147 don't forget Slow Start also decreases the attack stat
@@purpenigma have u got something against galar Weezing?
Porygons conversion attack has gone through many conversions over the years.
I see what you did there...
I have a porygon Z with conversion to change it to psychic type cause oh, you know, IT'S ONLY WEAKNESS IS FIGHTING. Not so useless now, huh?
Alexander Martens yeah but then it gains weakness to bug, dark and ghost
@@peterboris3765 lol
Alexander Martens normal is a better type for walling since only one weakness and it has an immunity
Emperor Cubone: Geomancy could be better.
Power Herb join the chat.
Lmao was also wondering about that. Geomancy is amazing, just look at its prevalence in VGC
Dankey Kang yeah, geomancy is way better than oblivion wing. like yveltals dont even use this move in competitive battles lmao
@@matri_youtube6683 what kinda competitive battles are you playing tf
People playing doubles in pokemon tournament with an Xerneas with a Power Herb and a linoone with simple beam : that’s true.
Not only VGC. I mean Xern in singles is either specs/scarf or bulky resttalk (veery rare case). Most sets are Powerherb Geomancy. You only need one free turn for a potential moonblast sweep (don't forget the fairy aura making +2 stab from a great sptack reaaally strong). And the is plenty of setup fodder in ubers. Scarf Yveltal (especially locked in dark pulse), lugia (without whirlwind, burned physical attackers (Ekiller), a lot of arceus forms... especially defensive willow defog recover judgment ones and plenty more. A team without multiple Xerneas checks is bad. Groudon can be worn down, sash marshadow can lose it's sash, magerna can be worn down. The best check to xerneas is probably duskmane. But even that has to be careful and can't just switch in and take 2 big hits.
“That’s why this move is at the top of the list”
Spectral Thief: Am I a joke to you?
Spectral thief is with no doubt the best signature move. It's ridiculous how strong it is
Well I think we found the replacement for Fire Lash.
Yeah I thought spectral thief would be on the list
Geomancy:
Heatmor: 'Aha! Finally I have a fantastic signature move!'
Sword and Shield: *laughs in Centiskorch*
Well Sigintaure moves get changed even after 1 gen for example the hoean starters got thier signitaure moves thought with other Pokémon
And salazzle
I pretend that Gen 8 didn’t happen
What about spectral their? 90 bp physical 100 accuracy and steals the target’s stat bonuses. Exclusive to marshadow
I honestly have to agree
Also ignores substitute
Something is telling me that the reason spectral theif isn't here is emperor cubone has never used marshadow
Boston Rush ikr super op and I use it all of the time
@@Ryno12345able Considering MandJTV didn't even know the move existed until some time ago I think it might be the case
"But, Smeargle can learn all move, so no moves are signature''
@Renael Steele He can have it, but can't use it
@Renael Steele It can't learn struggle too, but it's because Chatter was a.... ''too special'' move
Morphéwo I don’t think that counts, smeargle is just ‘Special’.
@@animatronicyeet1519 No, he's fabulous
Then technically sketch is the best signature move.
"Oblivion wing is the sole flying type move that can restore health"
Roost: "Am I a joke to you?"
I think he meant moves that drain health from your opponent
@@DracoX-hz3tu Doesnt really matter what he meant. Its what he said and it's a joke, so who cares.
@@aaronyayger wise words
"Oblivion wing is better than Geomancy"
Power Herb: "Am I a joke to you?"
Even without power Herb, you can use Geomancy, it's not like you're going to die with two hits without doing the right set ups.
You know that you could use the power herb on oblivion wing
@@godwinmbata5117 And would do nothing because Power Herb skips charge up turns.
Emperor Cubone doesn't really play competitive, so oblivion wing might seem better.
Without power herb: am I a joke to you?
9:52 HOLD IT RIGHT THERE.
Geomancy + power herb *DOMINATE* competitive.
Naahhhh, a Marshadow using Spectral Thief can just whip all those stats away
@@vinchisamadesu But not everyone uses marshadow/psych-up etc - and they all dont have priority, so xerneas outspeeds if the opp doesnt have marshadow out, and why would you geomancy into a marshadow when you know its out?
What im saying is, not everyone uses it, and you can play around it pretty easily
@@EinManU yeah, good point
psych up lugia counters xerneas pretty well
@@EinManU yea, but Marshadow is super popular, and you may be crazy not to run max speed, max att on it, so spectral thief yeets that buff away
Oh come on guys we all know that the best signature move is flash
I know what you're thinking about
What about splash?
Yall are forgetting about growl
@@cdb2157 what about celebration
I think it's Cut, Kartana's signature move.
Oh wait, Farfetch'd can learn it in Let's GO. It's not a signature move then. :(
Fun Fact: In Gen 6, Klefki actually used Fairy Lock as an extremely niche and technical option. If you used Fairy Lock before fainting (especially considering Prankster) you could effectively give yourself a free turn to set up on whatever was left in. A common partner was Gyarados whose Intimidate allowed it to set up on Zard X pretty easily. It required proper MUs and right timing but hey at least it had some competitive value, especially in counter queue MUs in tournaments or drafts.
Talking about Exeggcute was just Emperor Cubone's excuse to make as many egg puns as possible, it really scrambled my brain
I'd say those jokes were Exeggcuted well
eggxplain how.
solukisina Meyer eggxactly
Do you think he was close to cracking
How much you want to bet he cracked under the pressure
"If your signature move is only good when paired when someone else..."
Alcreamie: "So, let me show you how it's done."
someone specific
Actually Farfetch’d gets first impression too. It’s something a lot of people forget about.
This came out before it got it in gen 8
@@Aridion993 no it got it in gen 7
Farfetch'd got First Impression as an egg move in USUM. A few other Pokemon, including Falinks and Trapinch, got the move in SwSh.
RIP Zangoose, they took your signature move and then gave you a signature ability that's half as good as guts
Wake up. See a emperor cubone video only a few seconds later.
*happiness noises*
You just woke up? It's 5 pm for me XD.
@@banhammer9991 in england it 13:17
It’s 7 for me
7 am
You guys are waking up early?
seed flare on the Shaymin line (Shaymin Sky Forme in specific) is also extremely powerful 120 base power attack, having an up to 80% chance lowering special defense by 2 stages each time it hits. Maybe not number 1 because of the 85% accuracy but definitely worth a spot in my opinion.
Yeah, I basically just disqualified anything that wasn't 100% accurate. That may not be totally fair, but at the same time, the "best" move shouldn't miss in a pinch and lose you the battle...
here wasn't V-Create why that's so Ohhhh
@@destroysword0567 V-Create is also not signature because both Victini and Rayquaza can learn it.
@@matchanavi Rayquaza can't learn it, V create ray is an event mon
@@msrodrigues2000 v-create is an event move, period. by your logic, victini doesn't learn it either.
I would like to take a moment to recognize the sheer quantity of egg puns in the Barrage segment. A "grade-A" choice? It probably won't go "over-easy"? Barrage doesn't "crack" the top? It leaves you to "scramble" for anything better? A "hard-boiled" attempt to cause damage? Dragon Hammer was "poached" by Tropius? The only unique feature left in their "basket"? Come on, man, this wasn't even a two minute segment!
You forgot "rotten," and "raw."
I do understand why Precipice Blades for Groudon isn't on here, but I feel like mentioning it.
I prefer Earthquake. 100% accurate moves are so valuable
@@infinitethunder6184 everyone just bows to da power
Precipice Blades is a little underwhelming given its accuracy, that it’s not considered essential in either major formats of competitive, and that Thousand Arrows, another physical ground move, is one of the best attacking moves in the game.
It’s definitely a great move but not the very top.
It sucks that you have to run Hone Claws if you want to have a good accuracy and you can hold wide lens or zoom lens but you can’t use Primal Groudon, so just get one from a generation with Groudon and the TM for Hone Claws
@@koitern8785 Especially when that's literally what Stone Edge is.
In my opinion geomancy is better than oblivion wing, which is a good move, but using power herb to power up all of your stats by two stages in one turn is extremely powerful, and as you said it can be expected in competitive, but most of the you can't really do anything about it because of how powerful it is, otherwise xerneas wouldn't have influenced the meta the way it did
taunt
@@Causticc good point, but I really think items should be taken into consideration
@@Scourge728 Do you play Taunt on every Pokémon and everyone of them is faster than Xerneas? - No? I guessed so, and if you taunt it once, it will just be retrieved and has a chance the next time it enters the battlefield.
Caustic even so it’s still a great move and definitely the best stat upgrade move
You can encore xerneas into geomancy
What about Dragon Ascent?
1) 120 power
2) 100% accuracy
2) Allows Mega Rayquaza to Mega Evolve WITHOUT a Mega Stone
3) Allows Mega Rayquaza to hold an item, like Choice Band or Choice Scarf
Plus it looks SO amazing!
Lowers your defenses though, it's basically a flying type close combat
“What about ditto he can learn anything after transform”
thatd not a ditto knowing the move
Ditto is not the only one that can use transform via level up
@@tiagocardosom yup. Ditto gets its at level 1, mew gets it at level 80 in Gen8
The Gen8 update should just be "Why Fishious Rend is overpowered"
Purple-Smart Heart sadly not exclusive as both Dracovish and Arctovish learns it. But in ancient times, whatever the original ‘vish Pokémon would’ve had it as an exclusive
that not signature
Fishious rend is really good
But not a signature move
(Dracovish, Arctovish)
@@lovelyluna773 with max geyser makes rain and choice band..
@@lovelyluna773 *Trick room
First Impression surprisingly isn’t exclusive to Golisopod anymore, Farfetch’d got it
Haxorus can learn it too
Farfetch’d gets that as an egg move but in Gen 8, Farfetch’d got a Galarian form that can evolve.
now durant can too!
Falinks can learn it + the trapinch evolution line + hanxorus and its line.
to everyone still replying this comment was made before Sword and Shield i know there are new First Impression users I don't need to know who
“Fire lash is a fantastic move that’s stuck on Heatmor”
Sword and Shield: allow us to introduce ourselves.
We have Electrify as well not being signature anymore
Um, hello? Where's Spectral Thief? Signature move of Marshadow? 100 damage and 100 accuracy? You steal the target's stat boosts, and THEN attack? IN THE SAME TURN?! How could that not be on the list?
Its easy to see coming I guess...
@@infinitethunder6184 so? what you gonna do switch out the pokemon you probably spent turns setting up?
@@abhishekverma8303 it's that or give the boosts to marshadow
@@infinitethunder6184 I mean considering the whole point of the move is to get rid of the stat changes, switching out is just doing It a favor and taking a free hit
Abhishek Verma if it means stopping my opponent from pulling an uno reverse card on me, HECC YES.
"Geomancy is easily anticipated in competitive"
IM SORRY WHAT??? GEOMANCY IS ONE OF THE MOST BUSTED MOVES IN UBERS?????
tbf he's right about it being easily anticipated, but like, it's easily anticipated because it's so busted.. 99% of xerneas you see run power herb geo lol -- as opposed to oblivion wing, which many yveltal don't even use :X though if he included hackmons: yeah oblivion wing triage m rayquaza is dumb
@@konchu5221 ....i have never seen a yveltal NOT run oblivion wing. But even if that was true, there really isnt much counterplay to geomancy unless you have some really hard checks, most of which are bad in Xern's tier with the exception of Lugia which rarely runs whirlwind (And gets 2 shot anyways assuming your switching in.). That alone makes it better than oblivion wing which is also ridiculous to counterplay, but that's another story.
One word. Haze.
@@chriscasas5009 you still have to not die to use haze
Geomancy is such a good move that it's one of the reasons Xerneas was the best Pokemon in Ubers for all of gen 6 and he was still at the top in gen 7
"Geomancy is easily dealt with in competitive"
Dude, Xerneas defines the meta in both Singles (smogon ubers) AND VGC doubles.
Geomancy with Xern stats is ridiculous, specially when it's paired with Power Herb.
Most teams either have Xerneas or a way of dealing with him
We live in the world, where "Splash" not even signature move of Magikarp
Azurill has it, right?
And Hoppip. And Spoink... And Buneary...
And Bounsweet... And Cosmog...
There's actually a lot...
@@emperorcubone never really knew about most of those, thanks for the info
that's because splash is called "hop" in japan...
@@bojance1978 yup, it was just called splash in gen 1 because it only belonged to magikarp which is also a reason why splash is a normal-type move and not a water-type move
Dude. Crush Grip is basically Wring Out but renamed.
Wring Out is also a special move.
At least with wring out, the damage loss makes sense.
@@HeelDashing not really since the more healthy you are the more you can fight back
@@kratosorokai1546 the more damage you take, the more desperate you are to fight back
@@infinitethunder6184 yeah i can see that
People who have watched Weedle Twineedle knowing about fairy locked like: Well actually
Kinesis wasn't that bad in the first games because Flash used to be even *worse* with only *70%* accuracy. It was also a good move to spam during the fight with legendaries with high Special stats. Normally you'd want your glass cannon hitting hard, but against something like Mewtwo which could just use recover, spamming kinesis was a great way to keep the rest of your team safer from its psychic attacks while you hurl various Ppokeballs at it.
I didn't know that Dark Void got nerfed to 50 accuracy, it used to be like 80 iirc.
When you mentioned Conversion I was wondering about it because I remember a defensive Starmie set that changed types. Then you mentioned Reflect Type and everything made sense, lol.
Apparently, because of Smeargle they have to make it fail on every other Pokémon besides Darkrai. But for some reason, they had to lower the accuracy.
Power Herb Geomancy Xerneas is extremely powerful in competitive. Like It's a top threat right behind mega groudon in gen 6 and it still remains an incredibly powerful set in USM sitting in A+ tier.
What about sketch? It lets smeargle get almost any other move, including those on this list. If any other Pokemon had sketch, it'd be OP
Sketch isnt that good
You have to hope that the opponent uses a good move, smeargle has to survive that move and then keep that move forever. You probably wont even get STAB
Infinite Thunder do you even have to survive it? Just switch in after they use it and bam! You got barrage on it forever
@@infinitethunder6184 yes but sketch is the only thing that keeps smeargle from being absolutely useless
@@blacephalussy bro, wobbufet is a very good competetive pokemon but it is very gimmicky. Ditto is useless on his own, being good only because of tranform. And you are saying that smeargle relying on sketch is bad?
18:35 I was confused when you said to just use Flash instead of Kinesis, because it won't miss and I thought to myself. The reason Flash was utterly useless was because it missed a lot. I looked it up and I was right. 70% accuracy, but only up until gen 4 where they made Flash have 100% accuracy. Flash was worse than Kinesis from gen I to gen III.
I think that electrify would work amazingly on heliolisk if it was part ground type, I mean it can have sand veil and is found in desert-like area's so I don't see any reason why it sould be normal type.
Honestly they should've been Ground over Normal anyway; they're found in the desert...
Yeah but it would have to have a cooldown of like 1 wave or it could be a great stall in competitive battles if u get toxic on em
Ground or maybe Dragon.
These are soooo entertaining, I’m not even bothered by how long ur vids are, they’re super detailed and creative
Topsy Turvy is super underrated imo. I use it every time I see an Eevee on someone’s team because 9 times out of 10, they’re gonna use Evoboost + Baton Pass
It is underrated but malamar always runs superpower to get stat boosts. Why sacrifice a move slot to lower stats when you already can OHKO the foe with your stat boosts?
@@NazimUddin-we5tv That's kinda counterintuitive though...
@@NazimUddin-we5tv Malamar usually uses Contrary to abuse moves like close combat to gain buffs, you wouldn't really want to use topsy-turvy to reverse your own buffs.
@@NazimUddin-we5tv Yeah but it takes up a move slot that you would use for coverage, topsy turvy isn't usually very useful if you are using contrary.
My man
I really like this list a ton. Lots of Gen 5 and Gen 6 love here as well. I will say that from a competitive standpoint, Xerneas' Geomancy is often paired with a Power Herb, which typically makes the move overpowered.
Likewise though, I've seen a good bit of Oblivion Wing from Yveltal around the same rate as Geomancy, so best case scenario, they're both really powerful moves.
I really wish that Heatmor was a stronger (or at least faster Pokemon) so that Fire Lash could become useful. But yeah, great video!
Who needs Barrage when you have a Skill Link Cinccino with Rock Blast while holding a King’s Rock?
“Easily anticipated in competitive”
Allow me to introduce you to all of gen 6 and 7 vgc/ubers where this thing dominated, especially in doubles with follow me and in both with red herb
Fire Lash is not signature to Heatmor anymore. It can also be learned by Salazzle and the Centiskorch line.
We know
Jeez this was a year ago
@@noobmaster-yx7de Yeah, time passes the second you stop looking
My lord, Emperor Cubone, may you rule forever with an iron fist
Too many egg puns :D
Never.
Eggcellent
They didn't crack me up
Shut up or I’m gonna crack you all
Paul Barnes they weren’t too good but OMLETTE funnier with my egg puns.
My main reason for clicking on the vid is the fact it is 22:22 minutes long lol
As soon as I saw Spirit Shackle mentioned I was hoping for an Arrow reference.
Good job, you have not failed this city
Slow Start: **exists**
Neutralizing Gas: **I'm about to end this man's whole career**
lol
Not gonna lie gardevoir used trace on my regigigas i died
Electrify is meant for doubles to protect a ground type. It takes set up and doesn't work often but its a pretty neat strategy if you can pull it off.
Don't take his opinion very seriously it's obvious that he's not even considering the competitive side of things.
I'd be fine with that of it weren't for the clickbait title, instead of best it should have been favorite. Haven't finished watching yet and I know sketch, thousand arrows, dark void, geomancy, and specteral thief isn't even on the list despite half these pokemon only being much more viable because of the signature move with marshadow being the only real exception(notice how after dark void nerf Darkrai immediately stopped being a theat in ubers)
@@petelee2477 dark void got nerfed hard in gen 7.
50% accuracy.
Geomancy. Power herb helps, but:
Taunt, encore, spectral theif.
Spectral thief should've been on there, I agree.
Thousand arrows was on there, don't jump the gun.
Also, something to add on .__.
Electrify is extremely situational, as you just said. Could work with Volt absorb.
Or lightning rod. That'd make it better as well.
@@titanium4082 Taunt isn't a counter to geomancy because Xerneas can simply switch out, keeping power herb intact to use at a later point. Encore doesn't work unless used by pokemon with prankster, most of which are terrible in competitive (the best being Whimsicott). Spectral thief is another signature move, but a max speed Marshadow can't outspeed a +2 Xerneas and gets OHKO'd by moonblast. Realistically, the only true counter to geomancy Xerneas is a phasing move like roar or whirlwind, which started to be used by Groudon and Lugia respectively only after Xerneas was introduced. So geomancy was so powerful that it changed the best set on two pokemon, literally shifting the meta.
And even if you counted all of that, a signature move that has only four theoretical counters, one of which is exclusive to one pokemon, sounds pretty overpowered to me.
Diamond storm is one of the best signature moves it has 100 power 95 accuracy and a good chance to raise defense
Nah
Wait...isnt that a move for renamon in digimon?
Did you seriously not put spectral thief at number one?im hopping that's a mistake bro
What if you wanted to belly drum but god said
S P E C T R A L T H I E F
These poketubers never bother to play showdown...
Just arguing for Cubone's sake here (though I personally agree) that perhaps he's going based off the fact that Spectral Thief is just a somewhat above average move until the target raises their own stats. Since I'm unfamiliar with the newer games, does it also steal negative stats? Granted, even if it does, you wouldn't want to use it in that situation, but...
thechannel 152 Spectral thief only gets stat boosts. It will leave certain stat boosts alone if the user already has fully boosted that certain stat, though.
@@Pigninjius thanks for the help!
Your writing and overall presentation has come a long way, great stuff
You have no idea how good geomancy is in a double battle when you can hit that xerneus with simple beam
GOOD LORD, THAT'S TERRIFYING
100 BP sig moves normally have a drawback... Fusion Bolt/Flare: Hold my beer.
What about Spectral Thief, exclusive to Marshadow?
What is not cool about Heatmor? He looks much better than the boring dragon known as Charizard. Anteaters should be more popular, they are far more special, unique and cooler than Lions and other overused animals.
Heatmor is actually kinda cool-looking. I think that what holds it back is that its stats are an absolute trashfire. It has two moderately high attack stats (only one of which you'll usually need) and awful everything else.
If it dropped one of its attack stats and instead invested these stats into speed, or defense, or anything, it might have been a decent mon, as it stands it has nothing to back its *only sort of decent* attacks
"and there really is no escaping from it"
Me, an intellectual: DiG
Geomancy is very arguably better than Oblivion wing. Only reason for Oblivion wing is the edge lord factor.
Would you like to make a video 'Top 10 Pokémon that I want to see get a regional evolution'?
Also you are awesome continue the exelent work
I mean, it'd clearly be a "Top 6," but it would be interesting!
@@emperorcubone
very much.
You're my favourite poketuber, because you don't do things like POKEMON SWSH RUMOURS or something like other poketubers do.
No way! I hate the rumor mill that's constantly going. I don't even want to hear anything until it comes in an official trailer from the company, I don't want it spoiled...
@@emperorcubone that's my man!
Pokemon Swish... lol
The amount of egg puns during the exeggcute section 😂
"Geomancy is too slow"
Power Herb: Exists
Power Herb: Is incredibly easy to acquire in Xerneas' game
Power Herb: Makes Geomancy take one turn
...
VGC Players: Xerneas OP.
You're a scrub if you think Oblivian Wing is better than Geomancy.
In causal play it kinda is
My baby boi Decidueye is on the list, thank you so much Empoleon Orphon
2:45 it’s ya boi whipping up that crafty shield you know me
Decidueye should get Thousand Arrows, because he actually uses arrows.
@O Lobinho Encapuzado Thousand Arrows is a ground move... And lets be honest... Pokemon makes no sence
Let's talk about how Darkrai's signature move got nerfed because of SMEARGLE
=best signature moves list=
Smeargle : *Sketch that down!*
I just love your meme clips with both Marvel and StarGate, keep them coming
New conversion is also better for showdown battles tho, because you can choose the move and type
I would like to address something. This guy is obviously not a competitive player. But that's okay. The Pokémon community thrives on the diversity of its fanbase.This guy is speaking from the standpoint of a casual player. Stop hating on him. Look, I don't agree with his placement of geomancy either. But I get how a noncompetitive player would place it there
Thank you
“Let’s hope this move can give some attention to Heatmor.”
*given to salazzle*
Really?
Dont forget centiskorch who makes even better use of it
Heatmor: heatmor
Centiscorch: the cooler heatmor
Obstruct, which is the signiture move of Obstagoon. It protects then lowers defence by 2 stages
This is such a creative concept
(3:17 this just gave me flashbacks to the hau disrespect)
Might as well put Anchor Shot with Spirit Shackle.
If there were ever two things that go together better than peanut butter and jelly, it's Pokemon and puns.
Nah, honestly I'm getting *electatired* of pokemon puns
@@atuaangie5160 But they're so lofunny!
Great video from start to finish!
I really love Heatmor, I was so happy when it got a signature move. It's my favourite non legendary/mythical pokemon from gen 5.
In my opinion, some of the best signature moves that didn't made the list are:
Spectral thief (by far the best)
King's shield
Accelerock
Mat Block isnt a signature move cause in gen 7 Throh is able to learn it so mat block isnt greninja's signature move anymore
King's shield is ridiculous yeah
Oblivion Wing in Super Mystery Dungeon will give you PTSD.
OH GOD NO I DON'T WANT TO REMEMBER
Surround Wand is an absolute blessing in that fight.
Hey i love watching your videos you just got a subscriber
Smeargle: I’m about to sketch this man’s whole list.
Thousand Arrows should also be on Decidueye’s moveset...
Also, Bonemerang should hit Flying and Levitate as well...
That said, TA should not get any further distribution than that...
I hadn't realized Mismagius also had mystical fire like Delphox
Apparently all of the Kalos starter's "signature" moves were given out to others afterwards. I wonder if the same will happen with the ones from Alola...?
@@emperorcubone it happened.
You could actually change your move order in battle by pressing select in the fight screen in the older games. Doesn't really make Conversion that much better, but it at least used to have more usage. You might be able to do it in the summary screen during battle in the newer games but I never thought to try.
Smeargle can learn every single move so are there really signature moves
This is a joke
Up to Gen 2 or so, moves were rearrangable mid-battle, but only mid-battle.
In that case, Conversion would have been effective.
I don't mean to nitpick here but your remark about signature moves doesn't hold water when you showed Bonemerang before hand and Cubone family and Lucario get the move.
That's actually Bone RUSH. Bonemerang and Bone Club are still signature moves for the line all the way back since Gen 1. And Gen 7 introduced the new move Shadow Bone as well for the Alolan variant.
Believe me, I know my Cubone facts. ;)