Top 6 Best and Worst Former Signature Moves in Pokémon
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- Опубліковано 1 лип 2024
- Pokémon signature moves are often some of the most interesting in the game, whether for good or for bad, so when these moves stop being signature by being shared amongst others it's a double edged sword, so let's see which of these moves that used to be signature are great, and which ones aren't...
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Teeter dance isn’t the best thing out there but I find your justification for it silly. No one would use it in a double battle unless the other one on your team was immune/had protection to being confused. It’s like saying Earthquake is a bad move because it can hit your second Pokémon
Yes I second this! A couple of seasons ago I ran a Tsereena and Celesteela in ranked doubles with a wide guard + teeter dance combo as the wide guard protects steela from confusion. While I had fun running this set, I feel like it's more of a gimmick tbh
Sure, but unless you're actually going to use a lousy Spinda, you never want to confuse your own Pokémon in Single Battles, either.
@@Compucles this is about the moves not really the Pokémon as much
Yeah ha ha... Who would use teeter dance in doubles! *Nervous sweating*
Yeah tbh teeter dance is just a better confuse ray if you know what your doing.
Fun fact for the season: the move Grass Whistle is the reason why I use Roserade to represent the 11 Pipers Piping on my "12 Days of Christmas" teams on Showdown.
Oh, that's a fun idea! What are the other ones?
@@emperorcubone Pear Tree = Sceptile
2 Turtle Doves = Unfezant
3 French Hens = Blaziken
4 Colly Birds = Corviknight
5 Golden Rings = Umbreon
6 Geese-a-Laying = Sirfetch'd
7 Swans-a-Swimming = Swanna
8 Maids-a-Milking = Miltank
9 Ladies Dancing = Gardevoir
10 Lords-a-Leaping = Hitmonlee
12 Drummers Drumming = Rillaboom
@@LeahLovesNature wouldn't there be more fitting pokemon for 9 ladies dancing?
@@darktemplar446 It’s up to preference, really
@@darktemplar446 Not at all. Gardevoir is based on a principal dancer/ballerina, and many consider it to be a feminine Pokemon, so it's the perfect choice for 9 Ladies Dancing.
One of the really cool things with Z Moves is that they made Splash useful. Z-Splash was a physical Tail Glow.
Wow really? That is busted
@@dabmonstr7403 not really. It uses up your one Z move and not many Pokémon have access to it.
i thought it boosted all stats by one like ancient power?
@@lottegoldberry that's z-celebrate
@@lorekeeper685 and z-hold hands
Extreme Speed isn't just faster. It also has double the attack power of all the other priority attacks (aside from Sucker Punch, which has a significant weakness in exchange)! Even when the others get super effective hits (which ES sadly can't get), they still only have the same base attack power.
Kind of strange that a electric type Pokémon doesn’t have a electric type physical move that goes priority first
And High Horsepower is not a fast attack either
I only just found out about the double priority of extreme speed. It was always a go to for me for that sweet 80 power quick attack status.
It was +1 priority when it was created, that changed later
Another thing with Clamp is that, in Gen 1, it was a Water-Type version of Wrap, and in Gen 1 it prevented the opposing Pokemon from doing anything as long as you landed the move.
Clamp was ridiculous in Gen 1
Grass Whistle should definitely be 80% accurate. It's nice it goes through Substitute, but that's not worth being so much less accurate.
An ability that made sound moves always hit would be really cool. Plus it would make soundproof better
@@henrydawson8096 Why? The only sound type move that doesn't have 100% accuracy already is Grass Whistle. Evasion is banned and nobody is going to use accuracy lowering moves/abilities that often so such an ability would be useless in competitive Pokemon.
Should have 100% accuracy in grassy terrain.
@@2oorsymcbuster833 Not everyone battles just by competitive Pokémon rules.
I'll give you that the proposed Ability would still be quite weak without other less accurate sound moves, though.
@@pieoverlord That's a bloody brilliant idea!
In Gen 2 you can easily obtain a Dratini with Extreme Speed in Crystal after defeating Claire. You just need to answer correctly to the questions of the old dragon master.
I visually like Vespiquen's signature moves. Attack Order, Heal Order and Defend Order
I still don't understand why sword/sheild removed heal order. 🤔
@@darktemplar446 I think the reasoning behind it was because Vespiquen could learn Roost as well
I know that Splash is supposed to do nothing but I seriously wish it did just one point of damage
I think it would be a hilarious move for that tiny tap of damage, especially to knock out a Focus Sash or Sturdy pokemon
Actually, Splash temporarily became useful in Gen 7! If you use it with Normalium Z, Z-Splash raises your physical attack by 3 stages, a physical Tail Glow, which is really good on the likes of Gyarados, Azumarill, Lopunny, and Tsareena.
One of it's best users was actually Mimikyu. Granted, Mimikyu became the worst OU Pokemon of the generation and this wasn't considered it's best set by the end of the generation, but there was a time in early SM where this was a legitimate threat of a set
And if your Solgaleo evolved from Cosmog it has access to this massive stat buff too 😳
@@Goldy12378 Basically Geomancy on steroids.
gyarados has dd, azumarill has bd, lopunny's mega using work up(idk if she has bulk up) is better and tsareena is bad
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I'm pretty sure a lot of people already pointed this mistake out but
It's a psychic type special move
I'm definitely glad Samurott got Sacred Sword, but darkest lariat getting spread out feels weird to me
Not only that but Aura Sphere, Razor Shell and leaf blade being spread out also feels weird
I'm a bit sad that Razor Shell, Dewott and Samurott's Signature moves got moved to Golisopod.
Fun fact:
Splash can not be used while gravity is on effect
Makes sense because its hop or smth in japanese isnt it?
@@iimuffinsaur that's right, in Japanese, Splash literally translates to Hop.
I disagree with you about teeter dance. Protect completely fixes that and it's a really popular move in doubles. Plus its great to status both pokemon
Protect isn't even the only option. There's Own Tempo & abilities like that
When was it popular in doubles
@@wahguy6293 It was a highly used combo when it first came out even if it was experimental
@@vaporterrawhere can I find this info on because I can only find stuff on singles about how bad it was for spinda
@@wahguy6293 Not saying it was a top tier tournament strategy but it’s something that NPCs and players alike at least notice the potential for
I know everyone makes mistakes but, psystrike being a fairy type and a status effect move. I love your channel man and this makes me love it even more
So you're saying those things, aren't true...?
@@emperorcubone no the mistakes are there but it’s funny that they are there in the first place
@@emperorcubone also, Sacred Fire is a physical move (both Entei and Ho-Oh are physical attackers but then again Sacred Fire was Special like all fire type moves when it came out)
Also, Extreme Speed was not +2 priority until gen 5. Before that, it was +1 priority, just a stronger Quick Attack. And Tail Glow was only +2 Special Attack until gen 5 as well. It lost it's signature status before even becoming the iconic +3 boost.
@@ultlifeform additionally Extreme Speed could be found on one other line on gen 2, but not by level up.
The gift dratini from Clair's grandfather would know it.
Tail glow stings to me because Illumise is the special attacker of the pair and does not get it, even via breeding.. like if their stats were swapped it would be less bad tbh
Or just give Illumise a Physical equivalent I guess...
@@emperorcubone Two wrongs don't make a right.
Gotta love how being in Outer Space can make you a Dragon type, but in Ultra Space it makes you a Psychic type.
7:35 This has been my interpretation as well. Entei learns Ho Oh's signature Sacred Fire from its survival of the Burned Tower fire.
Fun fact: Breloom can’t learn spore by level up, you need to have shroomish get to level 40 for spore and then evolve it to breloom
You can actually just move re-learn it for a heart scale (or for free if you’ve move relearned enough) lol
@@isandrooo You couldn't until Gen 8.
@@robertlupa8273 true but this comment was 11 days ago, and doesn’t mention anything about pre-gen 8 lol
Psywave is actually an OK move now since it's 100% accurate. Not much worse than Seismic toss or Night Shade since on average, it'll have around the same amount of power. I think its a shame it was removed in SwSh.
3 things:
Sacred Fire is Physical
Psystrike obviously not Fairy Type
You cant get STAB with Psywave
I think Torterra might be the perfect candidate for Spiky Shield. It is a Grass type with a shell covered in moss after all. This is a great video, Emperor Cubone! Sorry for missing it a few weeks ago. I had a family occasion to attend!
Torterra Spiky Shield actually sounds pretty scary!
Muddy water is one of the best former signature moves for doubles
Surf was nerfed to hit friends in gen 4
Which made muddy water the second best water type move for double battles just behind water spout
Idk surf with a mon that has water absorb for health along with being able to deal damage. You can also throw leafovers and a healing move and you are hard to take down
@@liquidsleepgames3661 it's more of gimmick than strategy Tbh
What if Ur water absorb Mon dies?
What if you need a Mon weak to water on the field and a water move at the same time?
And many other things that make using surf in doubles unreliable
@@swampy725 sure but its still funny to use.
Mystical fire being given to other Pokémon in gen 8 was a blessing to them
Pokémon like Lati@s and many fairy types needed fire type corvage and had to use HP fire
But now that hidden power is gone, an like many other Pokémon, they got a better version of what they were using, a move with 15 move base power points and 100% chance to lower an opponent's offencive stat!
That would be like giving a better icy wind to every electric type
Why did you spell it like? Lati@s? Not judging but still confused?
@@jerryakatony5724 I’m guessing it’s to not have to say Latias and Latios? The @ kinda looks like an a and an o
@@jimmyoutlaw9384 oh. That actually makes sense
Psywave was changed so it does 0.75 - 1.5x the user's level in hp. It also can't get STAB, and had it's accuracy increased to 100. But cool
It ignores type match-ups aside from Dark's immunity, as well.
Extreme Speed as also given to a special dratini on Pokémon Crystal.
Fun fact: Extreme Speed wasn't always a higher priority than other priority moves. It wasn't until Gen V that it got +2 priority. In gens 2-4, it was only +1 which is the same as quick attack
Grasswhistle actually has one serious bonus aside from not being a powder move (and thus can hit grass types). You called it a downside. It is sound based. There are 7 fully evolved Pokemon with Soundproof. Almost none are used.
But sound based attacks bypass Substitute, thus Grasswhistle can cause sleep to a grass-type Pokemon hiding behind a Sub...55% of the time.
Niche case? Sure. But many moves are. Would I ever take it over Sleep Powder? Not in any competitive format I have played in.
Fun fact:
Tail glow was basically gen 3 nasty plot
(It boosted SpAtk by +2 rather than +3)
+2 = +2
@@shotguntornado I meant +3
Wait… has Tail Glow not been given to Ampheros??? The pokemon who’s while thing was using its glowing tail as a lighthouse beacon??? Why???
It has not, and I would say that's because it would make Ampharos too good, but then they gave it to legendary Pokemon so I don't know what's going on...
Maybe make a video about mon which should have a certain move which they can't get
@@emperorcubone Well, Manaphy isn't allowed in standard play, anyway.
Meanwhile, I'm still waiting for Pinsir to get Megahorn...
Heres a video idea, if it can be made. 6 best and worst shell pokemon. Examples would be like, kabutops, cloyster, barbaricle, omastar... can make the criteria for what you choose, whatever you want, but like, pokemon that have shells or live in shells. A top 6 best and worst of that would be cool. Love your vid as always.
Best formerly signature moves: razor shell- oshawott line, leaf blade- treeco line, fire punch, ice punch and thunder punch- hitmonchan
These are all indeed 10/10 moves!
The elemental punches were never signature moves. Back in Gen 1, they were also learned by Magmar, Jynx, and Electabuzz respectively.
I think a nice way to redeem Grass Whistle would be to make it 100% accurate in Grassy Terrain.
Teeter Dance is really useful imo, great vid btw!
I would love to Ampharos get Tail glow and Ninjask getting to use Extreme Speed, it would fit a lot
Great video!
I really hope in the next gen kabutops gets stone axe from kleavor. I feel like it's going to be kleavors signature move, but just the name alone fits kabutops
I mean, Kleavor is from the far past so it could be related to Kabutops in some way...
@@emperorcubone legends arceus isnt _that_ far in the past...
@@emperorcubone Klevor is a Scyther evolution, so this seems unlikely. We still don't have confirmation of any link between Miltank and Tauros either, other than them appearing in horde battles together. Stone axe could happen for Kabutops. They already put high horsepower on a crab, which makes less sense.
@@turtersvongenbu Horsepower is a unit of force, thats all. The description is also just trampling the foe, it's actually insanely generic
@@exc.sanguinewes4805 The animation has a horseshoe print. They could have gone with a more generic hit effect, but they opted not to. The move name alone is perfectly fine.
Teeter dance is good, works with protect like earthquake, which is the most common move in doubles.
Extreme speed wasn’t higher priority until gen 5, it was just a better quick attack, that’s why they didn’t give it to a fast Pokémon (who wouldn’t need it btw because they’ll just out-speed everything in their priority bracket)
Wouldnt consider psywave or sacred sword signature moves personally, otherwise great list, knew right away spiky shield & e-speed would be on here for best
I also always forget tail glow started with volbeat, not manaphy.
I did a bug-only gen 3 run (not nuzlocke) and found out afterwards that Tail Glow was essentially Nasty Plot in Gen 3, so when I thought I was +6 I was actually just +4.
If every other move on this list could be considered signature then what makes psywave or sacred sword any different?
@@rakka64 the others were introduced with only one pokemon being able to learn it, which is what i would consider a signature. Sacred sword is learned by all the swords of justice and psywave was learned by 21 lines in gen 1 so i wouldnt call it a misdreavus signature since those 21 lines could learn it before misdreavus was introduced as a pokemon
@@melindamuller4466 yeah i had no clue tail glow wasn’t always +3 until now either 😂
@@dddoftttontheyt7770 I can see what you're saying about sacred sword but since the swords of justice are a group I feel like it gets a pass. It's not a unique move but it's still a signature of the swords of justice ya know?
But psywave you're totally wrong. Sure a bunch of pokemon could learn it gen 1 but in gen 2 the devs clearly intended for only misdreavus to learn it. Its dumb I don't get why they did that but it is what it is so now psywave is technically a former signature move
Fire starters are generous, they share their good signature move.
Don’t be selfish like the water and grass starters
True; Blaze Kick and Darkest Lariat were pretty good!
7:02 I believe Sacred Fire is a physical move, although I guess it was special when introduced before the physical/special split
This is correct. Was gonna comment the same thing.
I love your content! Not that this is a bad thing, but the sound and way you narrated this video kinda reminded me of how jwhicz (or whatever that guy's name is) talked in his videos. Just a thought. ❤
Splash actually won a tournament. In sword and shield, there was a Magikarp Cup where all teams needed a Magikarp. Splash was the only status move that Karp got so it was the only move that turned into Max Guard when dynamaxed. Wolfey has a video on this
Sacred Fire is AMAZING in Mystery Dungeon. Great room clearing Move and is so helpful in Monster Houses.
bone rush is my favourite no longer signature move becasue cubone :)
and i think shadow bone or bonemerang should be used by someone else, i love cubone and i want to it have special something, but alolan marowak have 3 signature moves
Bone rush is definitely great! And the other three signature moves from the Cubone too!
@@emperorcubone Well, by the same token that Sacred Fire is no longer a signature move due to Entei, Bone Rush isn't a signature move since it is also given to Lucario.
@@ZealOnWheels704 If I am not mistaken, Mandibuzz and Vullaby can learn Bone Rush as well
@@TheBestEver1998 correct
Sacred fire is physical now my boy, doesn't make sense but it helps Entei out more now
Clamp being a physical version of whirlpool wouldn’t be a factor until gen 4 🤷🏿♀️
Hidden Power. I miss it so.
Hopefully we can get a great-unmigration in gen 9.😏
Unown deserves better...
In BDSP Hidden Power is actually back, but only Unown can learn it
Teeter Dance can be blocked on your partner's end in Double or Triple Battles if the Pokemon on your team have the Own Tempo Ability.
As for Spiky Shield. I don't remember it hurting my opponents when I used it, but I do remember it lowering Attack Stat if the enemy used a Physical move.
XtremeSpeed was a signature move for arcanine for Silver/Gold only (well, gold if you had silver and no friends), because in crystal you had the xtreme speed dragonite... i still remember smashing friends with my curse/rest/xtremespeed/earthquake dragonite
I admit that even though Splash is useless, it does give us good funni Magikarp Memes
One of my least favorite former signature moves is muddy water. It's not a weak move by any regards, but it's really annoying to me since it's just surf but with lower accuracy and it lowers your opponent's accuracy. Outside of double battles specifically surf is just better except whenever you opponent uses it and they just drop your accuracy every time and make everything they have annoying to play against. Even in double battles where it has the non-rng upside of not hitting your teammate, its really more of a necessary evil than solid option especially since surf can open up fun combos and ways to play around the downside(water absorb, or using pokemon who resist surf as partners so they can eat it up while you drown everything else without having to worry about rng).
Funnily enough leaf blade, another former signature move from a hoenn starter, is one of my favorite former signatures since it's a really strong physical grass move that provides excellent stab power and coverage
I like how you always swap the order of "best" and "worst" representatives on the thumbnail. In this case: Aegislash (Sacred Sword, a.k.a. the 2nd place best) on the "worst" side. I just find it funny.
Keeps people on their toes!
9:40 Tail glow in Gen 3 was +2 so it was basically nasty plot before that was a thing. Gen 4 and onwards is +3
At least in the Mystery Dungeon games splash actually does something and makes the user hop to another tile potentially dealing damage to an opponent or relocating the user a few tiles away from an enemy
could u not get dratini with extreamspeed in gen 2 from the dragon den behind claires gym or am i misremembering?
You get the Dratini after the quiz
Splash, Celebrate, and Hold Hands do have stat buffs from using them as Z-Moves, and they can be used in Contests too
Right, but Z-Moves aren't really around anymore...
@@emperorcubone yeah, true...
Maybe make a video about mon which should have a certain move which they can't get
I think mystical fire deserves a mention. Giving it to mons like mismagius and fairy types makes so much sense thematically and gave them much-needed fire type coverage to counter steel types.
15:43
Pay say is still a signature move
To this day no other Pokémon can learn it by lvl up
The fact it is a TM/TR doesn't make it non signature
I’m pretty sure Purrloin can get it through breeding if that counts
@@CaptainObliviousV It could back in Gens 5-7, anyway.
Meanwhile, the Alolan and Galarian Meowth families can also learn it by level up.
@@CaptainObliviousV
That's only in gen 5
so does jumpluff in gen 2
It has to be by lvl up for it not to be a signature move anymore
Misdreavus' former signature move Psychic type reminded me: regarding current signature moves, why is Snap Trap a grass type move??
Have you considered a video about signature moves that don't match their user's type?
That is a great point about Snap Trap; it doesn't match ANY type Stunfisk has ever had...
I think its because it's supposed to be a bear trap, which are used in the woods?
@@thediabolicalraisin8953 still doesn't explain why it's Grass Type
Snap Trap became a Grass Type prolly cuz' of the user's "colour" 💚
On the other hand, why is Crabhammer (a former signature move itself) a Water type move (instead of Normal) just because it's tailor made for creatures that are naturally chosen to be Water types?
I love how the automatic chapter about Clamp is called "CHOMP".
I’d say Secret sword is better than sacred sword, at least in competitive. The swords of justice rarely even use sacred sword because close combat is so much stronger. Plus keldeo being a special attacker that can destroy one of the strongest special walls in blissey/chansey is part of what made him broken for 2 generations.
Splash should be buffed to have 80 PP cause funi
I'll always have a soft spot for Leaf Blade since I tore through emerald with sceptile as my fisrt mainline pokemon experience
Leaf Blade is my favorite since it used to be the signature of mu favorite starter Sceptile
Same, it's a great move!
@@emperorcubone Just not as great on Sceptile since it became a physical move in Gen 4.
Z-Splash was actually really scary. It boosted your attack by 3 stages
Did something happen with the chapters on this video? Some moves listed there aren't discussed.
Yeah, I've never done chapters on my own so these are all auto-generated. They're usually wrong...
"Clamp" is actually a pun. Shelder is a clam as in the first four letters of "CLAMp" now you'll never unsee it.
Hyper and Super Fang are still two of my favorite former signature moves.
I swear Sunflora originally had it too (unless it was given to it in gen four), which is kinda sad because a lot of people never used Sunflora anyway (rip I love it). I will say that spore is amazing. I have it on parasect, and combined with base 80 leech life it is amazing.
Merry Christmas
Am I remembering wrong but didn’t you get a dratini in crystal with extremespeed? So gen 2?
I loved how every time you used Sacred Fire, you'd get the ashes that completely heal your pokémon. I feel like that's what made it even more special.
I've never really liked when they give signature moves to other Pokemon honestly. It feels unfair to the few who still have them (like Ho-Oh vs Lugia).
Also, can we take a minute to talk about freaking Accelerock? They keep it from the one Lycanroc form that wants it most for literally no reason.
Accelerock is great! It's a shame the midnight pup was too bad to get it...
@@emperorcubone i don't get it why midnight didn't get too or at least a move similar to it
Saying that mystical fire is worse than silt shield is kind of dumb lol
Mystical fire being added to tons of pokemon is super super important
Also wheres darkest lariat?
darkest lariat, the animation is hilarious enough to be worth it by itself *watches snorlax spin like a top*
True, that is a good one!
The only thing I would say in favor of your number one pick is that it's Z-move does boost your attack 3 stages...if you want to waste your Z-move.
Raising your attack but 2.5x is not a waste
I wouldn't call that a waste
Pretty sure stab doesn't affect psywave in the first place as it is a fixed damage move (after rolling the number) which isn't affected by anything except immunities really
There's no such thing as a signature move with my man smeargle in existence
They say imitation is the moat simcere form of lattery.
Smeralge believe that using imitation to pummel oponent is
I really liked leaf blades on sceptile that I'm kinda sad that it isn't as useful for them any more because of the physical/special split that I always wished sceptile would get a rework in the move pool it has or at least gets a different hidden ability like tough claws because unburden felt almost unnecessary to me. Like its a good ability, but you wouldn't use it for sceptile because most times people just use leaf storm, dragon pulse and that was it. When all his physical have much move diversity.
Signature moves are pretty cool
Night daze used to be exclusive to the zorua line until gen 7
Splash actually raised the probability of finding milotics pre-evolution (can't remember the name) or rather raised the number of tiles the Pokemon could be encountered at.
It wasn't useless, just painful to use in a meaningful way
From where did you know this?
Where did you learn this?
Actually psywave minimum power is 50%+1hp, not only 1hp. So at level 100, it does between 51 and 150 damage to the target. And it isn't that terrible, it is used on bronzong in gen 7, so it has at least some uses.
Yawn is a fully accurate but takes another turn to take effect
Don't forget about the extreme speed Dratini in gen 2 at dragons den
Yes Psystrike, the famous fairy type move !
Fun fact a dratini you get in gen 2 in crystal has extreme speed as well
Misdreavous wouldnt have gotten stab from psywave anyway, its a "typeless" move despite being listed as psychic type, like seismic toss not being able to be super effective. Found this out the hard way during my most recent playthrough of yellow
Hilariously, Cosmog can also learn splash (in gen 7 at least, idk about later gens)
Leaf blade is also pretty awesome
For some Godforsaken reason I always have grass whistle hit but sleep powder miss
In Gen 2 Arcanine wasn't the only one with Extremespeed. Don't forget you can get a Dratini with Extremespeed after defeating the 8th gym.
Yes, but that was only in Crystal years later, and since that was the lowest selling mainline Pokemon game ever I think it's safe to assume most people didn't experience that.
7:02
Sacret fire is actually a physical move 😅
I mean, there are a lot of things wrong with this list. As nice as Sacred Fire is, it doesn't even come close to comparing to V-Create. I mean, that's a 270 base power move when Victini is using it. If they ever gave it to one of the stronger attacking fire type users, instead of one with just a 100 base attack, it would be insane.
Just saying: Psywave in Gen 1 did ruin fights over link cable, because the damage was coded so it could be different at both sides.
I was kind of hoping for bonemerang. But all of these are better. The ability to break a sub was very useful to me back when I played.
But, Bonemerang is still signature...
@@emperorcubone Doesn't Lucario use it? Or am I thinking of something else...
@@Blade-hf9po Mandibuzz and Lucario for some reason (I know it's a dog but there are other dog Pokémon, why can't they learn it) can learn Bone Rush. Bonemerang and Bone Club are still signature
splash should involve weight or size... a big pokemon would do a big splash and cause big damage !
I mean you could have a Dragonite with Extreme Speed in Gen 2.
You get a gift Dratini from the Dragon's Den in Crystal. So it technically wasn't an exclusive move as soon as Crystal came out.
4:54 Breloom!