At least a good shell... Wiccan was born from within him. Maybe Lilia knew he was Wiccan and had to protect him from Agatha. And do we think Eddie is actually Teddy aka Hulking? 😮
Also seeing episode 1 from Billy’s perspective from outside of Wanda’s curse on Agatha had me rolling 😂 The scream I scrumpt when Ralph showed up as the Westview resident
This might be my favorite episode of Marvel tv period. Billy is my all time favorite character and this episode dropped on my birthday yesterday. It's fate lol.
Not Lilia being 19% responsible for Wanda’s crash out in multiverse of madness Could you imagine how different it would’ve been if the sigil wasn’t in place and Wanda found Billy 😭
I wonder if it wasn't something else controlling her, like Mephisto and not necessarily her visions. If Wanda found Billy, she could probably make him a body of his own and would be focused on finding Tommy instead going on a rampage across the multiverse and snatching that little girl by her scalp.
This episode is the best yet. One thing I noticed but didn’t figure out right away was that when Billy’s boyfriend texted him, he told Billy “you’re my 🖤”. Lilia was the one that put the sigil on Billy to protect him, so when she gave him that wood piece with the sigil, even she didn’t remember who Billy was like immediately… fast forward three years when Billy and Agatha are piecing together their coven, Lilia put a 🖤 as the last name on the list. Billy is 🖤 not Rio, and therefore a true part of this coven. Side note: I really hope Lilia and Jen aren’t dead and will arise from the mud like Agatha did. I’ve had my eye on Lilia this whole time - I thought just because her prophecies were important, but she was the one to protect Billy until he came into his own and could protect himself. Edit: thinking about it more: Rio is part of this coven - she’s the green witch. She’s just not 🖤, Billy is. Lilia wasn’t able to say or write Billy’s name because of the sigil she placed on him.
Like Dr. Strange, he broke the rules. He's fully occupying a dead body, except Dr. Strange was dream walking. I'm assuming that's a piece of why Rio is around.
dont feel bad luv, this episode had my mouth wide open the whole time too. i think the sigil blocked him from their memories, even Billy when it comes to Lillia and Alice.... basically any witch he met prior would not remember him
I think even without the sigil, it's been 3 years, she's bad lucked her way through a series of jobs. She probably wouldn't have remembered him under normal circumstances.
Agatha traumatized Peter so bad he's covered in evil warding symbols from any culture he could find. I think his weird little dance was also part of that. The other witches are probably alive, Agatha wants to get to the end asap she probably thinks that having Billy think he's killed could work to her advantage. She can use his guilt, but also make him do morally questionable things since he believes that he crossed that limit.
When they had Agatha in the surviellance picture with Dolly Parton and they said she was Jolene, they way I hit pause, and just cackled for an hour 🤣🤣🤣🤣
1) So, Rio was not the black heart on Lilia's list; looks like it was Billy, because he is a witch. 2) Poke the bear scene: It 💯 looks like Joe Locke is breaking character. lol Kathryn is hilarious. 3) The actors playing Billy Kaplan's parents are accomplished actors, so I'm thinking they are already signed on for "Young Avengers". 4) I hope Billy finds Wanda at the end of the road after learning that she is the key to finding Tommy.
@@vinsanity40k I also see it as Billy laughing. The internet and Peter described her as the most evil thing that ever was and he shows up to see her behaving like a clown.
When I saw she had that water hose nozzle, actin like that was her weapon as a detective I got a good laugh. Ooh Billy cracked me up making fun of her too!
We'll definitely see more of Lilia and Jen; there's footage of them in trailers we haven't seen yet, like the trial where Lilia is dressed as Glinda and Agatha is the Wicked Witch of the West, or when Jen pulls herself out of the ground. I think they just haven't been pulled out of the mud yet.
I'm glad they finally paid off all those "accident near Westview" headlines they've been teasing and that it actually was about Billy like we thought. Also now I'm curious if Billy actually was the black heart on the coven list. Lillia wouldn't have actually been able to remember his name and he was referred to with a black heart in the convo with his boyfriend
Could Agatha be a red herring on her own show? Hear me out. I believe that this is all about Billy's journey, and everyone else is the sub plot B. 1. In ep.6 we find things from Billy's room is on the road. Watch New Rockstars ep. 6 Breakdown and easter eggs to see what exactly those items are. 2. He's listening to the Road song while researching for his spirit guide, Agatha..like a summoning. 3. He told Agatha that he was going to finish the road as if he knew that 100%. 4. He had the sigil piece w/him and knew what it was the whole time, but never mentioned it when Jen and Lilia spoke about it. 5. In ep.1 as an amateur, he somehow managed to get past all 7 of the ancient and powerful Salem 7 witches, and only ran downstairs after the door was opened, going straight down first to have the others follow... as if he were Dorothy down the yellow brick road. Agatha kept calling him her pet or Toto, which irked him. Maybe because he believes himself to be Dorothy and Agatha HIS Toto. 6. He finds the clues in the trials first, and before Sharon died she'd "accidentally" find the whereabouts of the next trial and answer to the clue. Yet he's the one that found her dead and no one noticed it before that. Was she maybe a witch after all, and was a sacrifice for the road? 7. In trial one the panoramic view of the room didn't show any wine bottles on the nearby table, until the clue was read and the wine appeared directly behind the heavy wine drinker, Sharon. 8. With the exception of Agatha's trial, he has added his blood to the other ones. Blood ritual maybe or bread crumbs for the Salem 7 to follow? 9. During the green witch summoning spell it was HIS witch book used to conjure one. Lilia was the witch that added the obsidian to the spell. Yet for a skilled pro, why would she forget to retrieve it to close the portal? Yet in the 2nd trial there was a patch on Billy's pants which had a black obsidian drawing on it. The Salem 7 find them immediately after they get back to the road, from that trial. 10. During Jen's trial he disappears from our eye view right before the hallucinations manifested. He has his mother's powers and that was her first go to on victims. He was extra curious what Agatha saw, when everyone else was concerned about getting the ingredients put in before the time ran out. The kitchen tool that his "dad" loves is in that kitchen too. 11. The very fear the witches dredded manifested after he found out what they were. Maybe Agatha figured him out by the tell tale sign of how he tried to play on her biggest regret, the way his mom would. I think maybe it didn't happen the way Jen told him. Maybe Agatha's son died and that's why she went to the road, and not because she wanted to trade him for the darkhold. 13. He claimed his parents were 100% asleep. If he wasn't being vague (about Wanda and Vision), but literal about the Kaplans...he may have worked a deep sleep spell on them so they wouldn't worry about his whereabouts while he plotted to set the journey to the road that evening. 14. Maybe he sent Agatha in that one mud pit separate so he could have that confrontation alone, and threw the other 2 in the other mud pit to send them ahead, and off the road from the Salem 7, so they'll be safe from them until he can get back to them after his conversation with Agatha. 15. He said out loud, but only to himself, that he wasn't that nice.
respectfully, we do know why Agatha's mom wanted to kill her. fear. that cowardly old witch probably divined bits and pieces of Agatha's future while she was pregnant with her. she likely learned Agatha was going to be born with immense power and her weak mind took that info to the darkest possible place, ironically and tragically creating the version of her potential daughter that she feared the most. "face your fears." if you let your fears run your sh*t on the witches' road, you die. Agatha's original coven failed to do this because they had a terrible high priestess. all but one, allegedly! 🤭
Well clearly Agatha didn’t cast the sigil. It was Lilia and she handed it to Rio at the Barmitzvah. Rio owns Tommy and this shit gonna get complicated. Rio is the death witch of the rivers and is collecting the bodies…and was romantically involved with Agatha and, that painting. Look it up. There’s a story there. Welcome to Young Avengers.
RIP William Kaplan... he did seem like a good egg.
At least a good shell...
Wiccan was born from within him.
Maybe Lilia knew he was Wiccan and had to protect him from Agatha.
And do we think Eddie is actually Teddy aka Hulking? 😮
Also seeing episode 1 from Billy’s perspective from outside of Wanda’s curse on Agatha had me rolling 😂 The scream I scrumpt when Ralph showed up as the Westview resident
no because Wanda had Agatha fcked up😭
@@annbeths “Detective” Agatha had a garden hose sprayer as a gun!!! 💀
This might be my favorite episode of Marvel tv period. Billy is my all time favorite character and this episode dropped on my birthday yesterday. It's fate lol.
Not Lilia being 19% responsible for Wanda’s crash out in multiverse of madness
Could you imagine how different it would’ve been if the sigil wasn’t in place and Wanda found Billy 😭
She woulda swooped up her kids and gone to the mountains.
I wonder if it wasn't something else controlling her, like Mephisto and not necessarily her visions. If Wanda found Billy, she could probably make him a body of his own and would be focused on finding Tommy instead going on a rampage across the multiverse and snatching that little girl by her scalp.
"you must be Bohnerific69"
"Wait Mr. Bohnerific". That got me 😂
The comedic chemistry between Kathryn Hahn and Joe Locke in this episode was amazing.
This episode is the best yet. One thing I noticed but didn’t figure out right away was that when Billy’s boyfriend texted him, he told Billy “you’re my 🖤”. Lilia was the one that put the sigil on Billy to protect him, so when she gave him that wood piece with the sigil, even she didn’t remember who Billy was like immediately… fast forward three years when Billy and Agatha are piecing together their coven, Lilia put a 🖤 as the last name on the list. Billy is 🖤 not Rio, and therefore a true part of this coven.
Side note: I really hope Lilia and Jen aren’t dead and will arise from the mud like Agatha did. I’ve had my eye on Lilia this whole time - I thought just because her prophecies were important, but she was the one to protect Billy until he came into his own and could protect himself.
Edit: thinking about it more: Rio is part of this coven - she’s the green witch. She’s just not 🖤, Billy is. Lilia wasn’t able to say or write Billy’s name because of the sigil she placed on him.
Oh good point about her not being able to write his name. Interesting thoughts!
Like Dr. Strange, he broke the rules. He's fully occupying a dead body, except Dr. Strange was dream walking. I'm assuming that's a piece of why Rio is around.
dont feel bad luv, this episode had my mouth wide open the whole time too. i think the sigil blocked him from their memories, even Billy when it comes to Lillia and Alice.... basically any witch he met prior would not remember him
The sigil protects his identity from all witches. Alice would not have remembered.
Alice wouldn't remember.... The sigil blocked him from other witches.
I think even without the sigil, it's been 3 years, she's bad lucked her way through a series of jobs. She probably wouldn't have remembered him under normal circumstances.
it's a rated E for everywitch kind of sigil 😄
Agatha traumatized Peter so bad he's covered in evil warding symbols from any culture he could find. I think his weird little dance was also part of that. The other witches are probably alive, Agatha wants to get to the end asap she probably thinks that having Billy think he's killed could work to her advantage. She can use his guilt, but also make him do morally questionable things since he believes that he crossed that limit.
When they had Agatha in the surviellance picture with Dolly Parton and they said she was Jolene, they way I hit pause, and just cackled for an hour 🤣🤣🤣🤣
1) So, Rio was not the black heart on Lilia's list; looks like it was Billy, because he is a witch.
2) Poke the bear scene: It 💯 looks like Joe Locke is breaking character. lol Kathryn is hilarious.
3) The actors playing Billy Kaplan's parents are accomplished actors, so I'm thinking they are already signed on for "Young Avengers".
4) I hope Billy finds Wanda at the end of the road after learning that she is the key to finding Tommy.
yeah, couldn't help but catch that joe was trying not to laugh 😄
@@vinsanity40k I also see it as Billy laughing. The internet and Peter described her as the most evil thing that ever was and he shows up to see her behaving like a clown.
When I saw she had that water hose nozzle, actin like that was her weapon as a detective I got a good laugh. Ooh Billy cracked me up making fun of her too!
Is he on the crack ?! I can't stop laughing on this comment 😆😆😆
We'll definitely see more of Lilia and Jen; there's footage of them in trailers we haven't seen yet, like the trial where Lilia is dressed as Glinda and Agatha is the Wicked Witch of the West, or when Jen pulls herself out of the ground. I think they just haven't been pulled out of the mud yet.
I don't think Alice remembers because she technically didn't "see" him
I'm glad they finally paid off all those "accident near Westview" headlines they've been teasing and that it actually was about Billy like we thought. Also now I'm curious if Billy actually was the black heart on the coven list. Lillia wouldn't have actually been able to remember his name and he was referred to with a black heart in the convo with his boyfriend
Could Agatha be a red herring on her own show? Hear me out.
I believe that this is all about Billy's journey, and everyone else is the sub plot B.
1. In ep.6 we find things from Billy's room is on the road. Watch New Rockstars ep. 6 Breakdown and easter eggs to see what exactly those items are.
2. He's listening to the Road song while researching for his spirit guide, Agatha..like a summoning.
3. He told Agatha that he was going to finish the road as if he knew that 100%.
4. He had the sigil piece w/him and knew what it was the whole time, but never mentioned it when Jen and Lilia spoke about it.
5. In ep.1 as an amateur, he somehow managed to get past all 7 of the ancient and powerful Salem 7 witches, and only ran downstairs after the door was opened, going straight down first to have the others follow...
as if he were Dorothy down the yellow brick road. Agatha kept calling him her pet or Toto, which irked him. Maybe because he believes himself to be Dorothy and Agatha HIS Toto.
6. He finds the clues in the trials first, and before Sharon died she'd "accidentally" find the whereabouts of the next trial and answer to the clue.
Yet he's the one that found her dead and no one noticed it before that. Was she maybe a witch after all, and was a sacrifice for the road?
7. In trial one the panoramic view of the room didn't show any wine bottles on the nearby table, until the clue was read and the wine appeared directly behind the heavy wine drinker, Sharon.
8. With the exception of Agatha's trial, he has added his blood to the other ones. Blood ritual maybe or bread crumbs for the Salem 7 to follow?
9. During the green witch summoning spell it was HIS witch book used to conjure one. Lilia was the witch that added the obsidian to the spell. Yet for a skilled pro, why would she forget to retrieve it to close the portal?
Yet in the 2nd trial there was a patch on Billy's pants which had a black obsidian drawing on it. The Salem 7 find them immediately after they get back to the road, from that trial.
10. During Jen's trial he disappears from our eye view right before the hallucinations manifested. He has his mother's powers and that was her first go to on victims. He was extra curious what Agatha saw, when everyone else was concerned about getting the ingredients put in before the time ran out. The kitchen tool that his "dad" loves is in that kitchen too.
11. The very fear the witches dredded manifested after he found out what they were.
Maybe Agatha figured him out by the tell tale sign of how he tried to play on her biggest regret, the way his mom would. I think maybe it didn't happen the way Jen told him. Maybe Agatha's son died and that's why she went to the road, and not because she wanted to trade him for the darkhold.
13. He claimed his parents were 100% asleep. If he wasn't being vague (about Wanda and Vision), but literal about the Kaplans...he may have worked a deep sleep spell on them so they wouldn't worry about his whereabouts while he plotted to set the journey to the road that evening.
14. Maybe he sent Agatha in that one mud pit separate so he could have that confrontation alone, and threw the other 2 in the other mud pit to send them ahead, and off the road from the Salem 7, so they'll be safe from them until he can get back to them after his conversation with Agatha.
15. He said out loud, but only to himself, that he wasn't that nice.
This backstory was everything…. I wonder where Tommy ended up and sad reality is We only have 3 ep left 😩
GIRL FLIPPPPPP IIIIITTTTTTTTTT
respectfully, we do know why Agatha's mom wanted to kill her. fear. that cowardly old witch probably divined bits and pieces of Agatha's future while she was pregnant with her. she likely learned Agatha was going to be born with immense power and her weak mind took that info to the darkest possible place, ironically and tragically creating the version of her potential daughter that she feared the most.
"face your fears."
if you let your fears run your sh*t on the witches' road, you die.
Agatha's original coven failed to do this because they had a terrible high priestess.
all but one, allegedly! 🤭
Hey Mami Meeks!!! Had to hear your banter....😍
This show is just so damn good. I don't think I even said much!
@@ManicMeeks same they put us through so much trauma…..
chicken bones.... protection spell (on his hat)
Well clearly Agatha didn’t cast the sigil. It was Lilia and she handed it to Rio at the Barmitzvah. Rio owns Tommy and this shit gonna get complicated. Rio is the death witch of the rivers and is collecting the bodies…and was romantically involved with Agatha and, that painting. Look it up. There’s a story there. Welcome to Young Avengers.
Alright let's go I've given up on this show, per my preference. But I'm here for your reaction update 😂😂