A Mindbending Survival Game From the Team Behind This War of Mine - The Alters
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- Опубліковано 17 чер 2024
- The Alters gameplay with splattercat! Let's Play The Alters and check out a game where you'll get marooned on a death world, and have to clone your way out of it.
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8:11 That's the scary part: there's no sensation of radiation, only the consequences
When you start coughing blood you know it's too late ;D
Well, you can have acute radiation burns which actually feels like burning, and you can feel 'heat' or 'tingling' coming off of radiation sources. Generally though, the danger is hard to evaluate as sustained exposure causes the most problems for lower dose sources (you'll slowly get sick without an obvious source), whereas a sufficiently high immediate dose can immediately cause a highly unpleasant sensation that results in sickness but then a slight recovery before it goes downhill.
*ionizing radiation
You can feel other wavelengths of EM radiation just fine by going outside on a sunny day.
You can feel it, but if you do, you already took lethal levels of rads
@@LuisEdGm Ye, if i recall correctly an interview with one of the lads who was in chernobyl with a shovel just after the accident. He was picking up pieces of irradiated ceramic from the reactor and tossing it back into the hole. Apparently he could feel the radiation in the bones of his hand when he held the pieces through the lead lined gloves he'd been given.
I'm calling it now the person on the other end of the emergency line is actually an alter that had no choice but to strand himself on the planet so that he could fulfill the loop that brings about his own creation.
Definitely. Ouroboros trope.
I was thinking that, maybe in the end, the MC will return to Earth... just to wake up by another version of himself still stranded on the planet who saw that he scaped.
He could be the original. Just because the MC woke up near the crashed escape pod doesn't mean he's the original Jan. Perhaps the original Jan realized that he would need a lot of alters to work the crash site, and that it would be dangerous if he does it himself. So he created one alter, a leader Jan, placed him by the crash site so he would think he was the original Jan, and then hid away and pretended to be on comms so he could guide the mission from a safe place.
$10 says it's also going to specifically have to do with saving the universe... but yeah, I think you nailed it!
@@alexblake5369Whoaaa, that's a good theory
I just started watching but I would like to add... they made Frostpunk too. Not just This War Of Mine. I watch these guys like a hawk. One of the best game makers.
Got their whole collection awhile back. South of the Circle is also a fantastic game. If you enjoy story-driven games with not much gameplay, it's an auto-recommend.
@@dudebromanguy I will check it out. Thanks
Well, frost punk was shit, this one seems to be another annoying uninspired story game. This war of mine was unique, the rest of their story "games" are lame.
@@SoulWhiteoh stuff it, go back to your corner...child
@@SoulWhite Frostpunk shit? Elaborate.
Death coming in 8 days. Splat: "8-5 seems like a good work day." Ah, unionized hours even in the face of imminent death.
well, they don't wanna work you to death
Well, it's an enforced 8-5 since the radiation wave always comes around toward nighttime. Plus, you have to factor in basic survival maintenance like cooking food, cleaning, and operating the base.
after reading the post about radiation, I read "Union-ized" as "Un-ionized"
Definitely has Hazard Pay, too....
@@williamlove6876 That's rad.
New splattercat lore: he has geology powers but is weak to wooden weapons
Reminds me of that joke about how one would kill a geologist. Hypothetically of course
Man has original Green Lantern weakness.
He can only perceive rocks and minerals.
In order to kill a geologist, you have to use an obsidian knife. When they see It, they will instinctively be drawn towards the material and start explaining it's lore
Now, the geologist is paying too much attention to the obsidian knife to be killed with it, so you'll just do it with a wooden stake instead
@@kylemackinnon5696 with an obsidian knife, of course.
When Neil Armstrong was on the moon he said when he closed his eyes he could see streaking and blinking lights. They were solar and galactic particles firing his eye nerves as they ripped through his body. Fun to think about.
Astronouts in the ISS also get this.
It's not technically (mostly) the particles themselves hitting the nerves. While some cosmic rays might directly excite the nerves, the nerves themselves are small, with too little cross-section to have a large effect. Direct excitation of the retina cells by cosmic rays would also probably do damage.
What's mostly happening is that the vitreous humor (the goo that fills most of your eyeball) is acting like a cloud chamber, and those cosmic rays are colliding with the liquid inside the eye (mostly harmlessly) and emitting photons your retina can pick up.
also if its bad enough you can taste pennies
@@korunick nice
Sounds hot
I see Splattercat decided to build his womb high up on his base. I guess he likes to have a womb with a view!
.... I'll see myself out.... ;)
That's not a clone, that's the you that never was, created here out of necessity. Neither of you is any less real than the other. Wow, great concept.
I think it parallels the semantics of reality and true artificial general intelligences. Assuming that such an entity is a fully realized being with free will, what actually defines their existence as artificial? Is the intentional creation of another entity through science actually distinct from organic reproduction according to science? I think the intent is to highlight that the Darwinistic evolutionary method of human learning from birth to adulthood, or "natural method" of development into intelligence, is the default. All others from sci-fi quantum computer-infused, rapidium-accelerated, artificially incubated humans, to dataset-trained digital beings, are "unnatural" and therefore artificial as in "not real". This is no no way a new concept, of course, and philosophers since Descarte, if not before, provide the necessary arguments to assert that one mind has no capacity to affirm or deny the existence of another similarly thinking mind. So many terms, reality, artifical, clone, intelligence, and so on, really only have definitions as shortcuts for everyday discussion, I think, rather than real meaning in any concrete way. It's such a wild topic, I hope the game continues with good exploration of consciousness.
Clone: "What is my purpose?"
Splat: "You fix the lever."
Splat (later): "I need you to fix comms"
Clone: "no. you make me to fix lever, I fix lever. You made me for one job, I did my job. now go away"
The first ever cloned sheep was named Dolly! Naming this one Molly is definitely a reference.
Also, if you sense radiation it has already killed you. Most of the victims of Chernobyl did not know they had received lethal doses of radiation till a week afterward when their insides turned to goop.
Haha you beat me to the comment, I started typing it out but I was like I know there has to be some other nerd in here that already mentioned Dolly.
Wait... So there's no crackling noise in your ear? No flickering or noisy vision? No spontaneous suffocation? ... ;) Metro and S.T.A.L.K.E.R. lied to us. Who would've thought!
@@Nitidus The noise happens to cameras, not our eyes
48:39 It says Project Dolly on the back of his shirt.
The "Project Dolly" jacket on the cloned tech also suggests that they had that sheep in mind.
Lol, "19 year old me was a terrible person..." Right there with you.
WOW - that timeline thing is REALLY well done! Like WTF seriously this is better than 9/10 AAA titles! Insane!
OMG you had me rolling once the Highlander clone paranoia kicked in, “There can be only one” 😂😂😂
"Oh nonononono don't you go all fuzzy on me" as the video also starts artifacting because of the static
My dude, I have seen all I need from the name and thumbnail......
Yes, I will buy this game, please take my money!
Oh by the way Splatt, if you see tadpoles in your vision or white streaks like in the game, then you're in trouble.
That's literally the radiation particles hitting your optical cones within the eye.
ok, give me your money. i will leave you w enough to buy the game.
“Let’s break one off in the quantum computer” I laughed way too much at that 😂
There is no direct sensation to being irradiated, no. However many people(not all) report a metallic taste when in an irradiated environment. you cna see this hinted at in the chernobyl miniseries where both the control room operators, and the firefighters talk about a metallic taste.
There is one other tell. White spots. As the particles hit your eyes, they are processed as dots of pure light. Not helpful if you get blasted all at once, and if you see enough spots to notice instantly, you're probably already too far gone.
Edit: yeah, there's a vignette of the phenomenon when the player character is irradiated, and Abiotic Factor does the same thing.
Lots of radioactive sources feel like they emit heat like from a fire, but those are often acutely radioactive. Lower dose sources of radiation are practically imperceptible, and specifically breathing in or carrying radioactive particulates does the most damage from sustained exposure (if you scrub off said particles you will avoid that danger however)
Game is gorgeous, and from the bit of dialogue, it looks like it's set in the Gliese system, which is a Red Dwarf Star, Gliese 12b is an earthlike exoplanet (which I am presuming was/is the aim of the mission). Pretty nifty take on the sci-fi survival genre.
Dude this is what death stranding wish it could be, def on my wishlist now.
I made the Kojima connection as well. It seems a lot like if Kojima wrote "The Martian". Perhaps a bit of "Interstellar" influence, as well.
Felt same
A very cool idea, although I would certainly end up murdering my clones at some point. One of me is enough to deal with.
for sure dude, you are annoying AF
This deserves a full walkthrough series!!
I've been playin the demo for this, and honestly my only real gripe is that you can't walk/jump over small rocks/debris forcing you to walk all the way around sometimes; otherwise it's pretty solid
It looks very nice. But basic things like this absolutely kill my immersion. This should really not be a thing anymore in the finished version.
11 bit studios always makes fun and interesting games, and this one definitely looks the part too
Agreed. Quite possibly my favorite studio of the last ten years.
A geologist? Splat, my large igneous province’s ignimbrites are thoroughly rustled
The Jan we start as definitely isn't even the original! What a story :)
23:14 "A sheep! I'm not alone anymore! I'm gonna name her.. Eve."
Scotland NO!
wauw they put in a real life easter egg in the game. the sheep called Molly is the first ever cloned animal and it was a sheep.
thought it was Dolly, not Molly, so i checked:
On February 14, 2003, Dolly was euthanized by veterinarians after being found to suffer from progressive lung disease. Her body was preserved and displayed at the National Museum of Scotland in Edinburgh
i guess molly would be dolly's quantum alter.
@@vforwombat9915 sorry, you are correct. I did it from memory.
The alternate quantum timeline sound correct.
@23:37 Good name, Dolly was the first cloned mammal
This is a fascinating take on these survival games in a sci-fi setting. The idea that computers advance so far that we are able to not just simulate entire alternative paths in life, but reliably create a body for you flash-imprint that simulation into a viable living body. What a trip! It really asks questions about identity, how personalities form, etc. Then we get to see these "mind records" interact with one another? That is so freaking cool! Definitely going onto my wishlist. This plot would make an excellent film or novel.
of course there is a risk that your alter will be vastly more cool that you. Smoke me a kipper, I'll be back for breakfast
It's a bit different, but you might enjoy "Moon" with Sam Rockwell.
"...I'm a force of entropy that somehow accidentally stumbled his way into a "stable" life..." I feel ya bro...
This is kinda amazing cause you would get the idea that you should know how each of the different Jans would react based off of your main Jan character... except they probably all lived drastically different lives so they would react completely differently from how you may think they would react.
My friend lived in Poland when Chernobyl blew up, and he says (despite what the army taught us) that he could taste it in the air.
Thank you for adding "columnar jointing" to my lexicon.
I heard this from a guy who worked at Chernobyl
"Uranium radiation tastes like metal. Plutonium is sweet"
man, this is nearly an hour. I know the algorithms bone you unless you cater to them so this is a treat :D
I do miss the longer running content and the lets plays from the good old days :)
Game looks dope too. I kinda get Death Strandring vibes from the art work in a way, like the suits on the wall inside the base. Very nicely done and looks pretty intriguing. Looking forward to see what happens with this one.
Thanks for doing what you do Splatty.
This was possibly the most impressive demo I have ever tried. Definitely buying the game. Flintlock: The Siege of Dawn and Enotria: The Last Song were pretty good too. And Goblin Cleanup was a sort of cute DnD themed Viscera Cleanup Detail.
For me, every demo I tried from my wishlisted games in the Next Fest sucked ass except for The Alters, 1 day buy for sure.
For those who don't know, you can have acute radiation burns which during exposure actually feels like burning, and you can generally feel 'heat' or 'tingling' coming off of radiation sources of all wavelengths. Generally though, the danger is hard to evaluate as sustained exposure from most sources, particularly gamma radiation causes the most problems being far less overt (you'll slowly get sick without an obvious indicator), whereas a sufficiently high immediate dose can immediately cause a highly unpleasant sensation that results in sickness but then a slight recovery before it goes downhill... much like the Demon Core experiment where all involved were hit with a massive burst of radiation which they could physically feel and see, but belied the inevitable danger and suffering they'd experience later on.
Generally speaking you can sustain many hours of lower doses of radiation and even become sick from it, but have a full recovery given proper medical care and removal of the radiation source.
8:12 The sensation and giveaway of being in a highly radiated area is puking your guts out and coughing blood ☢🤢🤮🩸
I was hooked ever since that first, cryptic trailer with 'Black and White' blasting. Gameplay is not exactly what I expected, but if there's actual management and stuff, then it's a welcome surprise, because I thought it would be a fancy walking simulator. Definitely jumping on that one when it releases.
Should have named it "This Mind of Mine"
38:10 That was excruciatingly funny, now my entire body hurts from laughing
4:45 they aren’t actually painted, if you look closely, they’re just rock of a different color.
I live near the Columbia plateau, lots of basalt flows. So there are spots where you get plenty of columnar jointing. Cool stuff.
I would take DNA samples of the dead crewmates and bring them back.
8:30 from my understanding theres no sensation until the radiation sickness sets in and by then its far too late. Though UV radiation will give you a bad sunburn (arc flash from a welder)
Basically unusual bleeding from mucus membranes, and diarrhea. Nonetheless once these symptoms are present, you have already been irradiated.
Ionisation from rads should be detectable by taste. It's been witnessed as a metallic taste.
My first experience with learning how to weld, my fucking boss didn't warn me and I had a really pale complexion. I went a good couple hours at it and ended up with blisters on my arms. All in all they weren't bad bosses, but that was a real "man, fuck you" moment.
@@Sam_Graves ouch i feel for ya man thats some nasty radiation burns, definatly want to be fully shielded when welding
Bruh this is like a quantum version of death stranding, and I'm totally here for it
Almost an Hour Long Splatt-Video :O This is amazing, the game is amazing! Thank you so much!
Played the demo. Instantly became one of my favorite gaming experiences this year. It looks, plays and sound amazing and the creativity is crazy.
Yay! Glad you're reviewing this. I have been looking forward to this game for a year.
Filing this under "good studios have bad days, too"
Tried the demo, and while it's not really up my alley, I've got nothing but admiration for the devs and their willingness to try some off the wall stuff.
This game demo blew my mind. I'm not very sure about the survival part, even though survival is my most favorite genre, but the story plot of this game is amazing. I wouldn't be surprised, if this also comes out as a TV series, in which each episode introduces a new Alter, and end up having tons of clones at the end for an ultimate plot twist. Glad this will come out on Xbox Game pass, but otherwise it would have been an instant buy for me.
This was probably my favorite game from the nextfest demo
Felt immersive from the start surprisingly well for me, wow! Looks amazing!!
I absolutely love the innovation in this - totally immersive sci fi survival. Excellent! Thanks for introducing it to us with your signature lol comments Splattercat!
Huge kudos to 11bit for doing a bang-up job of a serious sci-fi story INSIDE an already cool-looking survival.
@42:00 good thing they had already anticipated your overwhelming desire to kill your clone. 😆
I've bought so many games and wish-listed so many more based on the excellent coverage you provide; you really do a fantastic job. Let's face it; Indie's where it's at for ideas, creativity and value - this one looks really promising: a big step up from TWoM in fidelity terms.
This game is really mind blowing. The inter personal reactions are going to be insane.
You know it's good if Splatty has nearly an hour of it 😁
That mechanic of the station zooming in and out is freaking crazy cool.
At least with this scenario, you have a bit of an advantage over your clone in 2 ways:
1) You're the one who gets a sneak peak at the other guy's life before waking them up, so you know a little more about them than they know about you.
2) They're pretty sedated (and possibly helpless?) when they first wake up.
this concept is insane .... much to keep in mind and many ways for story to go...
This is a cool concept. And looks really impressive so far.
8:13 The scariest part about radiation is that there is no sensation telling you that it's there. Even extremely high amounts. You don't know until you start to fall apart.
That static at 9:40 absolutely decimated the bitrate and video quality haha
New words of the day “columnar joining”.
I appreciate how you noticed the geology, I saw it and immeditely thought "Lazy game designers" Cliche "cool rock formation"
I keep seeing Pedro Pascal every time this guy takes his helmet off :)
This is such an amazing concept for a game
i am pretty sure that by the time you feel the sensations that mean you've been hanging out in too much ionizing radiation, you have been ionized too much and are soon to be very ill, if not dead (especially if hanging out near things like the Elephant's Foot). this is why Geiger developed his Counter.
Having done some pretty extensive NBC (nuclear, biological, chemical) training in the military there's no physical or tactile signs of radiation, just the beeping of the geiger counter.
How could you have missed this one, its Demo is indeed phenomenal. Can't wait.
holy shit. what a great idea to mix with base/colony building. I'll need to wishlist this game.
Nope, there is no sensation of being irradiated just like there is no sensation of inhaling carbon monoxide.
Correct, being on an airplane in the sky doses with radiation. Unfortunately once you do feel something it's too late. You are being turned into a chicken nugget from the inside.
Depends on the dose, higher doses of radiation you can feel (being close to a source feeling kind of like the heat off a fire) and "see" as the radiation can activate your cone/rod cells through your body.
Yeah I get radiated on a monthly basis and u defo know after 24 h but b4 that u just peachy
This looks super cool! Definitely one I’ll be interested in checking out when it releases.
c'mon we need to know that we shouldn't bring up the fact, that he never washes his shins, till after he turns 30... Just in case we end up travelling back in time to 90s California.
You sold me with the Mushmeal jingle dude
I see this becoming a "We are Bob" situation sooner or later
Instant wishlist.
What I learned from this video: Splat is a stocking enjoyer!
Looks interesting, definitely feeling the XCOM enemy unknown vibes with side view on base
It's funny how people are all like, "I'm killing my clones"
Me and my clones will be like, "okay, are we... gonna try it or what? We might all die soon anyway."
50:59 No, you live in a series of interconnected lunches boxes in a wheel.
The game looks fascinating, the only thing that bothered me was how & when they introduced the sleeping mechanic. If someone had just told me, "You're in immense danger and if you don't complete these tasks in 8 days, you will die", I sure as hell wouldn't be wasting time sleeping. It would be more believable if Jan stayed awake for 3 days, working nonstop, and then crashed and at that point the game told you "you need to sleep each day to maintain health and efficiency".
This one looks super interesting. Appearance is good, movement good, level of mystery super high, which is good. Have to keep an eye out in the future.
Promising af and really entertaining. Cheers!
This is like Moon. The movie with Sam Rockwell. Good flick.
Dead Space remake was amazing I loved my time with that game.
"There's got to be some kind of sensation that lets you know you're in an irradiated area right?" Nope. That's the problem with radiation by the time you experience physical symptoms most likely it's too late.
Don't worry about having enough Rage to be the IT guy. The Rage builds as part of working with Carbon, day in, day out... for 30 years :P
You ask about being able to tell if you're being irradiated while the game is showing you what you would experience.
All those little dashes of white light that were cluttering the screen? That's the Cherenkov radiation that happens inside your eyes if you're exposed to ionizing radiation.
So the game was being pretty realistic while you're wondering if you could smell it instead.
Note that not all forms of harmful radiation are actually going to produce the Little white flashes in your vision.
Love how splat plays a game for once with gorgeous graphics and doesn’t make a comment on it, if it was 8 bit ugly graphics we’d have to hear about 1/3rd of the video about how great the pixelart is.
Thanks for showcasing. ^^
Already watched a video about this game, but I guess I'll watch some more since it's splattercat.
Wow, I was not aware 11 Bit is making another game apart from upcoming Frostpunk2. Huge thanks to you Splat for keeping the lights on.
Dude, this looks good. I might actually pick this one up for myself.👍
All the voices in my head are enough for me i dont need more clones i would just chill with molly the sheep and fry from radiation
Molly is a ref to the first sheep (Dolly) that was successfully cloned :)
Wee easter egg hahah
this is an instant wishlist.
Damn this game has so much potential.
If they lean a little on rpg elements in a way with the whole stranded/alternate realities, which seems they are going to. Also dealing with the Alters personalities, they could raise/lower the difficulty of pacifying/recruiting them depending on how much you know about them or how much they differ from you. So, say to need a captain or scientist version, but this is the complete opposite from the original you, you'd need to improve respective stat prior to branching or study the alternate life, which could add other dialog/action options.
If they tap into personal improvement with the MC experimenting with all the other alternative lifes he could've had, or just outright learn from them it would also be awesome. That or they revolt and kill the MC, which is probably what is going to revolt around to.
Btw, the quantum computer seems to also have life info on the rest of the crew, MC could probably fetch DNA from the escape pods. Why not branch/revive them? I know this is more work with voice actors and models, but it makes sense MC would eventually resort to help from the crew, instead of just himself. Unless they mention the radiation has cracked the crew DNA enought that it is useless, although the corporation could easily have this on the computer, like, much easier than to store lifetimes of memories.
Mash the mush meal. On theme. Love you Splatt.