There’s something deeply funny to me about Jonathan liking the Dell so much, that he bestowed it the great honour of replacing their logo with Apple’s. I also never appreciated just how boring the vast majority of monitor designs are today until I saw the old Apple ones shown in this video. Top stuff!
Dell monitors have always been favourites for us Mac people who either don't have the budget for or need something a little different to what Apple offered. Pretty much everything else Dell makes is ass, but they've always made solid monitors.
@@danclark9987 what's wrong with their laptops? And which lineup? Their cheap ones or their expensive good ones? Their xps lineup is amazing. Best feeling keyboard in any laptop. Also just runs beautifully with a great screen.
Honestly, I was expecting a Dell. Not that one though. I’ve been thinking super hard about the Dell UltraSharp U2720Q. It’s got 95% DCI-P3, HDR400, 4K, is height & orientation adjustable and outputs 90W of power with more ports than the one you showed. It’s currently listed for $539 on the Dell website. It’s pretty obvious that Dell is really trying to grab Mac folks with that screen.
Was also expecgint a Dell, I have a P3421W ultrawide, similar design to every other Dell display, and it's just sleek and unassuming when on a desk. Absolutely wasn't expecting the Razer one, though, that thing is an eyesore that belongs on a teenager's gaming desk, not anything remotely design focused or professional. Really goes to show how subjective this is.
Well if that's what Dell was trying to do then it worked because that's the one I ended up getting. I've been using it since about January and it's quite nice.
@@Joel11111 how is the brightness? That’s the only thing that’s really worried me. I have the model before this connected to my iMac Pro at work. I love it, but it’s not the brightest thing.
@@lougan At least for me personally, I don't have an issue with the brightness. In fact I have it turned down to around 40% or so to keep it easy on my eyes. I guess how much the brightness matters depends on what you use it for. I use it a lot for school, which means a lot of reading black and white text, which for me can result in a lot of eye strain and headaches if the screen is too bright. If Apple made aesthetically pleasing (So not you, ugly LG ultra fine 5K monitors), affordable monitors I would 100% switch to that for the True Tone, but Dell is a good second place. One caveat with this monitor that I should mention though is about a month and a half ago the monitor randomly bugged out and started flickering a lot. Dell customer support was nice and sent me a refurbished replacement since it was covered under their warranty. The problem seemed to go away on its own while the replacement was in shipment, so I ended up not needing the replacement and I sent it back. I still have no idea what happened or why it went away on its own, but at least I know that it's not too difficult to get a replacement from Dell if something goes wrong.
I feel like you completely skipped over the LG 27UP850-W... I have two and they're fantastic. 27" 4K IPS Panel with 96w USB-C, and I use one of the USB-A ports for Ethernet - The design and adjustable stand would meet your needs too.
@@TheEvilCommenter Totally agree. My background is 30 years in print, imaging and photography so I’ve had to work with all kinds of display from basic ones that should have been in the skip to a top-end Eizo that I had in my last business and I honestly regretted getting rid of. This also means I know how to pick a good display and calibrate it so when it came time last year to pick a new display to go with the M1 Mini that I bought for testing I did a hard look at many and considered everything including price, performance, features etc. After a lot of hard research and testing monitors from £200 to £1200, I settled for the LG 27UP850-W too and even sat alongside my 27” 5k Retina iMac it still holds its own and I couldn’t have been happier with it. An absolute gem of a display in its clas and for the price I don’t think it can be beaten.
Seriously, thanks for taking this approach to monitors. Most of the coverage is purely gaming focused, so it’s nice to see some other options that focus on other creature comforts besides frame rate
His choice is an "S" series Dell? - video really lacks substance. - its like he didn't even check what the different Dell ranges are. - I guess Apple just makes yuppie toys these. days, not workstations for creatives.
Absolutely! The convenience was fantastic as it was literally like an iMac without the Mac. A great speaker system, nice USB hub, and decent camera / mic setup.
I’m very late to say this but if you ever do another one of these I think the top priority is 220 ppi (or 110 in some cases) so you don’t have mismatched UI sizes and don’t have to rely on fuzzy scaling. Apple has kept to the same ppi ratios for nearly a decade now. If you want to pick a real apple monitor substitute (to go with an iMac or laptop at least) you have to match the resolution.
It's funny how he didn't focus on PPI. The whole reason you say you want a monitor for "Mac" is because you're looking to get a 1:1 scaling factor found with 220 PPI and 110 PPI.
BTW Hardware Unboxed recently did a scathing review of the Razer Raptor 27, calling it “overpriced trash”. That said, I agree that most monitors really do look pretty damned ugly and I would love it if Apple re-entered the consumer/prosumer space here with something both really attractive and of high quality.
I don't know many mac users who will bother to remove the stand and mount the monitor. There may be a few such users but the mac life is all about "it just works". When it doesn't "just work", mac users just learn to live with it.
You just know the Razer monitor will break down the moment its two year warranty is up. No idea how that company stays in business or even manages to keep customers.
@@davidfrederiksen3185 Do they? My limited experience with their products hasn't been great so far. My most recent victim being my Razer headset. The left speaker is now noticeably quieter than the right. Also the ear cups started falling apart after just 6 months of use
@@TheCompyshop Razer headset user here, my left speaker becomes quieter if I rotate it to max, if I go back a few mm they sound equal. Still kinda annoying that they started doing that after a few days and quite annoying having to remind myself to take extra adjustment steps, but I least these ones didn't break like my old Kraken. I went Razer again only because they had the best reviews in that price range but having got items that break twice in a row (even if not completely this time around) I doubt I'll ever be able to trust their build quality or their QC again. They can luck out a nice product, it's just the chance of getting a good one vs a bad one seems to be inversed with them. They do deserve their reputation. Plus I know this wasn't a gaming review but everyone here should check Tim's review (Hardware Unboxed) on it. Bottom line it underperforms like an old monitor of half the price (because its panel is), its only redeeming quality is the looks, and yet not worth the pricing.
I want Apple to produce another monitor so much! What gets me is how wobbly so many monitors are. I use a sit / stand desk, which moves a fair amount at standing height, and a steady monitor really helps.
Don't forget most monitors have a Vesa Mount. You could buy a nice quality monitorarm for it, which looks nicer and cleaner imo as well. It gives you more space on your desk as well. Just make sure you buy a good quality one, by watching reviews, if you care about wobbliness. Also, take the adjustable maximum height in consideration
I’m disappointed that you didn’t talk about the image quality aspect (a more in-depth color coverage that closest to MacBook’s) of the external monitors. One of the biggest feature of MacBook for me is the beautiful screen and it is very hard to replicate when using an external monitor. Hope you can talk about it in the future!
Yes, especially considering text rendering. I was so surprized to see lower resolution monitor recommendations when Big Sur has now removed subpixel antialiasing for fonts.
All LG has to do is stop using that strange crescent/C-stand which is very unwieldy on a desk. Their Ultrafine monitors that they co-developed with Apple have the perfect stand: a solid metal, low-profile rounded rectangle. The Ergo stand on some models is pretty nice too and has good integrated cable management. But yeah, this video was really not actually looking out for a Mac user’s real interests, more likely pushing this sponsored junk through referral links.
@@s.i.m.c.a ?? I watched it that’s why I give that comment. Do you realize the title contain “BEST” word? And talking about the best without considering color on monitor (especially to pair with MacBook) feels kinda off. I won’t comment like that if the tittle is “The Most Apple-esque Monitor on Budget”. Don’t get me wrong, I love this channel and that’s exactly why I give constructive critic 😉
I don't understand how you can recommend these low res monitors to go with a MacBook. Less than 4k is extremely jarring next to a "retina" density display. Macos looks terrible at 1080p
The idea was to find a monitor that works well with the Mac without shelling out an arm/leg. He took into consideration your concerns also. Until Apple makes a consumer monitor that is not horribly overpriced/expensive/taking out a second mortgage on, these four will do fine.
I'm surprised we didn't see any of Asus's Pro Art monitors? I've got two Thunderbolt Displays daisy changed with a TB 3 to TB 2 adapter. So while I'm happy with them, I have noticed that my MacBook Pro does have a slightly better/more vibrant display, and I've had my first one of these for about ten years now. (Second one was bought used from someone on Kijiji for 600 CND which was a great price but I kinda realized I didn't really need the second one.) I suspect I'll give these to a family member should Apple ever come out with a semi-reasonably priced prosumer-focused monitor again. For now though they're great. When I'm at work I can connect them to my work computer with one cable, then connect them to my MacBook with the same cable. My only qualm is I wish I could charge my Mac with that one cable instead of having to have a separate charging cable. I've thought of getting a TB3 dock from Cal Digital or something but that seems excessive for just moving from one cable to two. I wish Apple had just allowed the Tb3 adapter to carry a charge from a connected cable.
I was about to suggest this too. I can imagine that the PA329CV is a little too bulky and plastic for the aesthetic he's discussing, but the color calibration out of the box is a strong choice for designers on a budget.
@@theangryintern You're probably thinking of the PA27UCX-K or PA32UCX-PK, which are the the mini-LED displays. The model number I posted is a 32" 4k UHD model at 799 US. That said, I also goofed: that model isn't out quite yet; I should have posted the PA279CV, which is a 27" 4k model that can be found for under $500 US.
My 24" Apple Cinema Display I used as a second monitor recently died. I just bought the ProArt PA248QV to replace it (due to space restrictions, it fits perfectly and has the same aspect ratio and resolution). The color accuracy is amazing and now makes my much more expensive 27" 1440p monitor next to it look a little washed out by comparison. I'm very happy with it. My only complaint is the external aesthetics are a little cheesy with the included ruler on the bottom bezel (Chin).
I was surprised the pro art PA32UC had a “pro” moniker and was said to be good for colour grading. Perhaps it is, but I found the artefacts from the backlight zoning way too distracting and sent it back. Had it tested first to make sure it wasn’t a hardware or software issue, not it was working as intended. It made the joker movie into a mess of backlit squares for highlights. For a $2k monitor in 2020 I felt a bit let down. My dell 27 ultrasharps with premiere colour have been solid performers will have to wait a bit longer to be replaced.
>industrial design >cable management >USB-C literally the 3 least important things, in the name of vanity. just focus on a good panel, and then you can get a higher-end, purpose-built USB hub to handle the other functionality.
@@Psyopcyclops Considering people say macs are used by media creators, (photo, video, music, etc.), something with concessions to that. A high resolution (aka: not 1080 and 1440p), pre-calibrated color-accurate, huge display. Remember, this is LTT, they should have something better than "it looks pretty".
@@Hittsy This is why a lot of Mac users end up with UltraSharps. They come with good connectivity, they're (mostly) solid, good accurate panels, wide array of resolution and size options etc. They also don't look horrible. They're their professional line of displays so they don't try to do too much with the aesthetics and understand you're focusing on the content and not the box it's housed in.
I bought a lower end LG 4k Display based on a recomendation from my local apple store (UHD 27UL850 ). It has 2 USB A ports so I can add any device I want, and is a perfect companion for my Macbook Air M1.
Honestly, I have one of those myself and I'd be hesitant to recommend it. The 4K panel is nice, and in SDR mode it looks pretty good, and I like that it has a height adjust stand and hardware calibration support, but I've found that the black levels on it are atrocious - not just in comparison to like an OLED or a high end LCD, but even when compared to my old cheap business grade Dell screen. The HDR honestly feels like a borderline scam based on how bad it looks, and there's a lot of small creature comfort type things that it falls down in - it won't auto switch inputs between displayport and USB-C (admittedly a problem only for folks with multiple computers), the cables all jut out straight out of the back (I'll concede that's probably better for a VESA mount though), the stand is pretty wobbly, it picks up a lot of glare and reflections for a matte display. If you have one and you like it then honestly all power to you, but as I said I'd be hesitant to recommend it.
i have the razer one for my docking station- it's significantly cheaper when it's on sale (i got it for only like $400). if you can find it at that price point, i think it's definitely worth it.
1080p is enormous at 24 inches. It's okay on it's own, but at ~90 dpi next to a 230 DPI MBP? I did that for 2 years with a 13" 2017 MBP at work (I didn't pick the monitor) and absolutely hated it.
Why didn't you mention the beautiful 'industrial' looking HP Z monitors!? I've got the 4K 10-bit 27" HP Z monitor for 650 Euros :) It's regularly in sale and also has enough features, it stands besides my 2019 16" MacBook pro.
I have 2 HP Z monitors at work that have DisplayPort over USB-C. I’m very pleased with them. They have power delivery over USB-C as well as onboard USB Type A and USB-C ports, as well as an audio out jack.
I've got a Z32. Honestly, not a lot of people know about them and they might not be available in all markets. I mean, there's still not a single review of the Z32 out there, and it's a 2018 model. That being said, it has a sturdier build compared to similar LG and Benq offerings (4k 32" USB-C). It's still plastic, don't get me wrong, but it's way more refined and tasteful. Similar LG monitors (think 32UD99, 32UL950, etc.) have had massive panel defects and Benq models (like the PD3220U) were incredibly hard to find in my experience.
Late but: I put 2 27“ Dell 4ks on a dual Stand and have the Belkin TB3 Dock to host everything on my desk, the MacBook Pro (now waiting for my M1 Max 64GB to finally arrive…) vertically closed in „clamshell“ With macOS‘ great scaling I run them „like“ two 6ks at looks like 3008x1692👌 But as my desk is facing the wall I dont care much about the back of monitors… But heck, I‘d jump at a set of 5k or 6k Apple TB Displays for ~1000-1500€ with ports, charging, speakers, cam… the works
They need not fight ‘form follows function’ was the bauhaus way. To me I think it means that there can be a sleek design that aids in use. Before Johnny Ives left there seemed to be too much effort trying to chase a pure geometric aesthetic that detracted from usability. I’m glad that appears to have ended.
3:04 I’m sorry what? Why on earth did this embarrassment of a product make the video. For anyone who wants context, go watch Hardware Unboxed’s review of the raptor 27 and just see how horrible the monitor is.
You’re frustrated Apple left this market, I’m frustrated about it, too. Today I had to set up a new router which Apple also left. It was a pain it the neck. I eventually settled on an ASUS ZenWiFi XT8 which has many of the same features including time machine support and an iPhone App to set it up via Bluetooth. So that’s pretty neat but it also comes with pages of bloatware and AI schemes end BullGuard and F-Secure. It also refuses to operate with the 10.0 range, and instead insists on 192.168.50.x, so I have to redo all my setups to change their IP’s. Why did Apple exit the router market, and what would you do now? Come on, your channel’s name is literally MAC address :p
Wow. This had to be the most appearance focused, pretentious mac video yet. Glossing over any feature or functionality and focusing on pure aesthetics.
@@shlurpydurp1804 I'm not sure how this applies to my statement honestly. A monitor isn't something that really works differently, and its really on Apple to set up the drivers in a reasonable way to make it easy. But this video had nothing to do with ease of use, it was purely a pretentious view on monitor aesthetics in a way that doesn't even matter. It wasn't a overview on screen quality, colour reproduction, resolution, refresh rate, anything that actually matters when it comes to a monitors function. It was does simply this look Apple.
This video is just going to add fuel to the fire that Apple fanboys just care about how things look. I get that when all things are equal, go with the better-looking option, even if it cost more. But things like resolution and color accuracy didn't even play into your decision. This was just a "what monitor makes my desk look pretty?" video.
The Razer monitor isn't even a good monitor for it's price range lmao. You can get around a lot of these ugly stands by getting a nice vesa arm and a thin bezel display
EXCUSE ME? Did anybody look at the Samsung M7? It's 32 inch, 4k, USB C supports 65W of charging, smart tv features, sells for 299 CAD at best buy. Excuse me? The M7 blew every single monitor, especially the Dell, out the fucking water. Did Linus not tell you about the monitor? It was featured on LTT before.
I think there are quite a few monitors that are missing on this list. For ecample the Huawei MateView 28 inch 4K monitor could be great, or on the high end the LG 38WN95C-W.
I'm really surprized you'd recommend 1080p and 1440p monitors for MacBooks... Since Big Sur removed subpixel antialiasing for fonts macOS renders text horribly blurry on lower density displays. And I don't mean compared to how text looks on retina displays. Big Sur does comparatively worse with text on a low density monitor than a Windows laptop on the same display.
I'm still using my Thunderbolt display, there just isn't a monitor that has this kind of build quality and integration with macs for 1000$, they're all ugly, made out of plastic, don't have auto brightness or an integrated webcam. Until Apple or someone else makes a decent successor to the thunderbolt display I'm not upgrading
Samsung CJ791 is the one, with ultrawide, almost 4K, 100hz, single cable thunderbolt with (85w?) power, two USB-A ports, and extra thunderbolt 15W port, cable mgmt, vesa support, and built in speakers.
As someone who works on a computer shop, this video is awesome since now I know what to recommend to Mac users who want an external monitor that "fits" their macbooks. But in my opinion, you fail to address which monitor is better related to their color accuracy to an actual Macbook or iMac screen, which is what most people tend to ask me.
I am a Mac user looking for a very good display for my (on-order) new MacBook pro. I am not very happy that you highlighted INDUSTRIAL DESIGN as your leading criteria for selecting a display. No, I will not be spending $7000 on an Apple Pro XDR display...But the purpose of a display IS TO SEE YOUR IMAGES! THAT should ALWAYS be the number one consideration for a monitor. You recommended a 1080p display....Realy? This video just played to the stereotype that Mac uses care more about how the hardware LOOKS than how it performs. PLEASE make another version of this video in the vein of "Not willing to spend $7000 on an apple display? Here are the best Mac-friendly alternatives."
The M1 iMac is not much more expensive, has a far superior display and is a computer itself. All your work is synchronized via iCloud between all Apple devices anyway. So, there is no reason to use a MacBook with a external display at all.
This video accurately, effectively and openly caters to all of the worst aspects of Apple fans. I am genuinely unsure whether to dislike what it's doing, or like how well it's doing it.
Omg , this video is so perfect . Addresses the exact problem I have point to point. I thought as if this was going to be like finding a needle in a haystack . But lo and behold . Thank you so much brother !
I think this is the best monitor for Cheap: Xiaomi Mi Curved 34" Freesync Gaming Monitor 144Hz WQHD Ultrawide!!! ITS ONLY $413 USD! I bought it and it's amazing it curved and great cable management!
I really loved the Thunderbolt Display. I want a new (affordable) generation. Currently I’m using a 49“ ultrawide Phillips 499P9H that offers a full usb-c docking station with 100W charging and even Ethernet. You could get one for 600€ right now and I can highly recommend if you want/need that screen real estate
Dell literally makes a 27" 4K USB-C monitor with 65W power delivery (S2722QC for $470) or 90W power delivery (U2720Q for $540). Not sure why you would pick a 1440p panel with external power supply and crap USB power delivery when Dell offers better.
I have the Samsung 34" ultrawide here and it's an awesome display. When this is hooked up, my MacBook Pro's display becomes the secondary display (as in, the one I use the least). Also great for media consumption - the 21:9 ratio is fantastic for movies.
Really surprised you would recommend so many 1440p and 1080p monitors. Doesn’t that produce blurry text? This is a widely documented problem. The only monitors Apple sells are 4K @ 24” and 5K @ 27” and 6K @ 32”.
Isn't the Razer display really bad? Hardware Canucks and HUB both have reviews that demolish the monitor as something that's not worth buying at all, even at half the asking price. I guess I can understand the logic of the criteria used? But they all seem... Antithetical to what you should be looking for in a monitor. You'd want a color-accurate panel that performs reasonably well for when you want to do photo or video work, and it mskes itself a nice touch when entertaining yourself with Netflix and the like. But the criteria mentioned just seem to be focused on aesthetics and convenience, not a good overall user experience and product quality. Good industrial design, I'd like to think that most of the time, I'll be staring at the display, not the bezels and stand surrounding it. Good cable management? This seems so arbitrary. It's a nice add-on feature in a monitor, I suppose, but definitely not what should be taken as a major factor when choosing an external display to work on. USB - C may be the most logical of the three criteria, considering Apple's current port decisions, but even then, I'd say DP is the major thing to consider. But yeah, letting this one go. I'm unable to understand the ultimate point of this video. Apple doesn't make affordable, industrial design displays, so let's get the one that aesthetically resembles their offerings without any of the picture quality that would be needed? I guess that would work if all you're doing is writing on a browser, browsing social media, etc. But once you go into professional work, literally all of the monitors shortlisted here would fall apart terribly, making them an even worse comparison to current Apple displays. Additionally, I don't see the reason to dissuade a 27" 1440p display option. The pixel density a 1440p display has, plus the graphical horsepower needed to run a 1440p display make it one of the most compelling choices to buy as a PC monitor. 4k really only starts making logical sense if a) you're doing a lot of editing and color work where pixel accuracy is required (where all of these monitors fall apart again, anyway) b) if the display is larger 32" or larger (which none of these displays are anyway) What's the point of a good-looking monitor if it doesn't perform well?
No… no, no, no, I don’t dislike that dell display, but LG makes similar, if not better, things for cheaper. LG displays seem to just work great, I don’t have any newer one with thunderbolt, but I do have a 5 year old ultra wide display that was, for the time, far cheaper and just overall way better than the competition. This might be complete nonsense to some, but LG has won me over, I also have an LG t.v. and honestly I just trust them better than other brands, especially since they make most of the displays (except for the Samsung made ones)
I recently got a Samsung M70A monitor, and that works fantastically with my Mac. Connection over USB-C with 60 watt power delivery, 2 HDMI ports, 4K resolution with a 32” panel, and support for AirPlay if you want to use it with your Mac wirelessly (although it’s not a great experience) or send content from your phone, and a few USB-A ports on the back (although they’re a little hit and miss if you plug in a hard drive). The only potential downside for some is that it’s a “smart” monitor, so you can also use it to watch Netflix or UA-cam, use Dex if you’ve got a Samsung phone, or use it as a remote desktop thin client (which I haven’t used but is a pretty cool idea). If you just want it as a monitor though, it’s still excellent just as a screen and the price is fantastic, and the smart features are pretty snappy so it’d also make a good screen for a student dorm room.
It DEFINITELY is not the Razer monitor. It’s CRAP. Edit: OH GOD… I didn’t think you’d even consider it… the only thing it’s good at is at looking “good”.
They should just release the imac without the guts. Then you can have dual screen imac experience too with a perfectly matching monitor. It's crazy they canned selling displays completely in 2016 even if it's never going to reach the popularity of the iPhone. They still make the home pod ffs
A really good option that's lately come on the market, in my opinion, is the Huawei Mateview. It looks a lot like an iMac, is about £600, supports HDR and has a 3:2 3840x2560 resolution - basically 4k but with extra height. In general though, the monitor market has been really frustrating for long time Apple users. Until the Dell 32" 8k monitor came out (which doesn't even work on macs), there was no monitor on the market that beat the old 30" Apple Cinema Display in all specifications. You could get higher DPI and resolution but at a smaller physical size. You could get larger monitors but without an improvement in DPI. There's finally been some nice improvement in what's available in the 32" 4k market but nothing that has it nailed yet.
The problem with 1440p and Macs is that you can only get (HiDPI) mode at 720p. It is pretty sweet that variable refresh rate works so if you have a monitor and Mac that supports it you can get some pretty nice Freesync. Myself I purchased a ViewSonic OMNI XG2705-2K 27. While it doesn't have a USB-C input, it cost me less than $300 and also works in landscape or portrait.
Ever watch a video and realize it’s the video you’ve been looking for but didn’t know it? I’ve been looking for a monitor that fits the Mac look for ages
Too bad you didn'taddress the issues with font rendering that plague non retina displays since they nuked sub-pixel aliasing. this makes all of them 'suck' compared to the LG 5k or iMac 5k screens.
Razer monitor is pleagued with issues and its quite embarrassing that it’s recommended from a channel in the linues tech family to be honest. Will have to downvote this vid and i recommend others as well. They should not recommend defective and sub par products
Anyone who watches Hardware Unboxed is cringing at this video. Poor job on this one dude. The Razer is not “kinda expensive” , it’s a completely a total waste of money.
Love this channel! It's laid back and well presented, obviously for Apple users but not fanboyish or afraid to give constructive criticism. Hope it grows!
I went on this exact thought process to buy my new monitor and ended up choosing the Huawei Mateview. Surprised not to see it in your panel (pun intended) :)
I faced this problem when I picked up the M1 mini… LG panels were either unavailable or priced above the computer value itself … ended up with slightly used Dell P2415Q… 4K@60@24” is closer to Retina than alternatives and cost me shy of 200$… happy so far, but I would consider an Apple alternative ;)
@@PanoWorks It isn't that Apple don't let you, it's that the tech isn't capable of it. It came out before 5K was a thing over a single cable so they made their own timing controller so it would work. It isn't jut 2 streams combined into one like other 5K displays did, it's a single, contiguous image. The bandwidth just didn't exist in any existing standards at the time for it to work so they did their own. Kind of how Lightning predates USB-C for reversible connectors. No standard existed, so they did their own.
Maybe the Eve Spectrum 4K one, if it ever hits store shelves to buy easier. It has like all the features and a quite understated (though plastic) design.
@@EraYaN No it shouldn’t be fine lol. I don’t support companies with a history of scamming customers, censoring opinions, and lying to consumers. You want to get on your knees for a monitor? Go ahead.
tbh I don't have a mac, just bored so I decided to watch this, but if I did have a mac and needed an external monitor, I know I'd probably just get a cheap £10 4:3 monitor and adapter off ebay because that's what I did with my windows desktop
I finally get DBrand's name...
…help me out here
@@MaxCoplan Debrand. Cause the glorified electric tape they sell covers logos and shit.
And the logo….. I saw it, now I can’t unsee it
Came here to say this. I never got it before now and honestly I don’t know what to feel…
I had the same epiphany, it was like years of ads made sense now.
Hah, oh god. Nobody show Jonathan the "cable management" behind my monitor.
#Kabelsalat
There’s something deeply funny to me about Jonathan liking the Dell so much, that he bestowed it the great honour of replacing their logo with Apple’s.
I also never appreciated just how boring the vast majority of monitor designs are today until I saw the old Apple ones shown in this video. Top stuff!
Dell monitors have always been favourites for us Mac people who either don't have the budget for or need something a little different to what Apple offered. Pretty much everything else Dell makes is ass, but they've always made solid monitors.
I laughed so hard at that part.
@@TalesOfWar Agreed on the “ass” part. Like their monitors. Strongly dislike their other products. Hate their laptops.
@@TalesOfWar pretty much everything else? Not really, dell makes excellent servers and network equipment
@@danclark9987 what's wrong with their laptops? And which lineup? Their cheap ones or their expensive good ones? Their xps lineup is amazing. Best feeling keyboard in any laptop. Also just runs beautifully with a great screen.
Honestly, I was expecting a Dell. Not that one though. I’ve been thinking super hard about the Dell UltraSharp U2720Q. It’s got 95% DCI-P3, HDR400, 4K, is height & orientation adjustable and outputs 90W of power with more ports than the one you showed. It’s currently listed for $539 on the Dell website.
It’s pretty obvious that Dell is really trying to grab Mac folks with that screen.
Was also expecgint a Dell, I have a P3421W ultrawide, similar design to every other Dell display, and it's just sleek and unassuming when on a desk.
Absolutely wasn't expecting the Razer one, though, that thing is an eyesore that belongs on a teenager's gaming desk, not anything remotely design focused or professional. Really goes to show how subjective this is.
Well if that's what Dell was trying to do then it worked because that's the one I ended up getting. I've been using it since about January and it's quite nice.
@@Joel11111 how is the brightness? That’s the only thing that’s really worried me. I have the model before this connected to my iMac Pro at work. I love it, but it’s not the brightest thing.
@@lougan At least for me personally, I don't have an issue with the brightness. In fact I have it turned down to around 40% or so to keep it easy on my eyes. I guess how much the brightness matters depends on what you use it for. I use it a lot for school, which means a lot of reading black and white text, which for me can result in a lot of eye strain and headaches if the screen is too bright. If Apple made aesthetically pleasing (So not you, ugly LG ultra fine 5K monitors), affordable monitors I would 100% switch to that for the True Tone, but Dell is a good second place.
One caveat with this monitor that I should mention though is about a month and a half ago the monitor randomly bugged out and started flickering a lot. Dell customer support was nice and sent me a refurbished replacement since it was covered under their warranty. The problem seemed to go away on its own while the replacement was in shipment, so I ended up not needing the replacement and I sent it back. I still have no idea what happened or why it went away on its own, but at least I know that it's not too difficult to get a replacement from Dell if something goes wrong.
Dell and LG both make better displays.
I feel like you completely skipped over the LG 27UP850-W... I have two and they're fantastic. 27" 4K IPS Panel with 96w USB-C, and I use one of the USB-A ports for Ethernet - The design and adjustable stand would meet your needs too.
exactly the monitor i went for - it's ace (save the 60hz refresh rate)
Yeah was surprised about that too. Have it as well and can confirm that these are amazing.
I second this. They're really great for photo-editing, and I don't really play a lot of fast-paced esports games so 60 fps is fine for me.
@@TheEvilCommenter Totally agree. My background is 30 years in print, imaging and photography so I’ve had to work with all kinds of display from basic ones that should have been in the skip to a top-end Eizo that I had in my last business and I honestly regretted getting rid of. This also means I know how to pick a good display and calibrate it so when it came time last year to pick a new display to go with the M1 Mini that I bought for testing I did a hard look at many and considered everything including price, performance, features etc. After a lot of hard research and testing monitors from £200 to £1200, I settled for the LG 27UP850-W too and even sat alongside my 27” 5k Retina iMac it still holds its own and I couldn’t have been happier with it. An absolute gem of a display in its clas and for the price I don’t think it can be beaten.
I like the 4K LG one with the ergo stand better also usb c
Seriously, thanks for taking this approach to monitors. Most of the coverage is purely gaming focused, so it’s nice to see some other options that focus on other creature comforts besides frame rate
HP Z27 is quite nice.
Ironically razer gets trashed for gaming
His choice is an "S" series Dell? - video really lacks substance. - its like he didn't even check what the different Dell ranges are. - I guess Apple just makes yuppie toys these. days, not workstations for creatives.
It's funny how this guy thinks Apple is good quality and the not hot garbage that it is
@@StayPuft787 I watched Hardware Unboxed video on that display. They didn't pull any punches lol
Really wish apple did an updated thunderbolt display, I really loved it.
Totally agree with you. A m1 mac mini + new thunderbolt display would be awesome low budget but good performance mac.
Absolutely! The convenience was fantastic as it was literally like an iMac without the Mac. A great speaker system, nice USB hub, and decent camera / mic setup.
This aged well...
Studio display?
Well, now you don't have to wish ;)
I’m very late to say this but if you ever do another one of these I think the top priority is 220 ppi (or 110 in some cases) so you don’t have mismatched UI sizes and don’t have to rely on fuzzy scaling. Apple has kept to the same ppi ratios for nearly a decade now. If you want to pick a real apple monitor substitute (to go with an iMac or laptop at least) you have to match the resolution.
Well, the top pick is perfectly fine in that regards.
It's funny how he didn't focus on PPI. The whole reason you say you want a monitor for "Mac" is because you're looking to get a 1:1 scaling factor found with 220 PPI and 110 PPI.
@@erikcortes5015 But the monitor he did end up recommending, the Dell, is 109PPI. As (approximately) are all QHD 27" monitors.
How about the 3:2 Huawei 28,2" MateView 28
Probably one of the cleanest looking monitors there is
Yeah that one is underrated
Not available in North America
@@xWoodenLeafx Too bad Huawei is banned in the USA, they make cool stuff
All Chinese products are full of bullshit.
@@atisbasak lol everything is made in china dude, even apple products. Read the small text.
BTW Hardware Unboxed recently did a scathing review of the Razer Raptor 27, calling it “overpriced trash”. That said, I agree that most monitors really do look pretty damned ugly and I would love it if Apple re-entered the consumer/prosumer space here with something both really attractive and of high quality.
Razer is the black Apple in terms of design (appearance), just not up to the Apple quality, not even close.
The monitor itself is good, it’s just so so overpriced. You could get a 4K 144Hz for the same price. That being said I like the look
@@Dubitz Yeah. My comment aged… interestingly.
@@asdf51501 yep. New apple monitor ended up being like razers: overpriced and dumb.
The reason he Hardware Unboxed call it trash is because the panel is far too slow for 144/165hz compliance.
At 60hz it's fine.
None of these damn monitors appear to have VESA mounting holes which really grinds my gears.
The msi have vesa mount under that circular thing behind. And Razer sells a Vesa adapter for $100.
I don't know many mac users who will bother to remove the stand and mount the monitor. There may be a few such users but the mac life is all about "it just works". When it doesn't "just work", mac users just learn to live with it.
dell U27.. have vesa mount
Who's here after the Studio Display dropped?
For the last 10 years Dell has been hitting hard on the lcd market and has quite a few impressive monitors out there with decent prices to boot.
Even better, Dell uses a lot of older LG panels. It's a decent way to pick up an LG display, cheaper (especially with tools like Honey).
NICE! Any time you will go on WAN Show? I really enjoyed your take on the event.
Mac boy ain't getting that typa clout yet
@@lemonbeast7526 key word is yet!
@@lemonbeast7526 Anthony is the best
You just know the Razer monitor will break down the moment its two year warranty is up. No idea how that company stays in business or even manages to keep customers.
They make a lot of great products
@@davidfrederiksen3185 Do they? My limited experience with their products hasn't been great so far. My most recent victim being my Razer headset. The left speaker is now noticeably quieter than the right. Also the ear cups started falling apart after just 6 months of use
@@Sceusell Well, either my skull is acidic or they changed materials in 4 years lol
@@davidfrederiksen3185 they can make good products, but the monitor is definitely not one of them.
@@TheCompyshop Razer headset user here, my left speaker becomes quieter if I rotate it to max, if I go back a few mm they sound equal. Still kinda annoying that they started doing that after a few days and quite annoying having to remind myself to take extra adjustment steps, but I least these ones didn't break like my old Kraken. I went Razer again only because they had the best reviews in that price range but having got items that break twice in a row (even if not completely this time around) I doubt I'll ever be able to trust their build quality or their QC again.
They can luck out a nice product, it's just the chance of getting a good one vs a bad one seems to be inversed with them. They do deserve their reputation.
Plus I know this wasn't a gaming review but everyone here should check Tim's review (Hardware Unboxed) on it. Bottom line it underperforms like an old monitor of half the price (because its panel is), its only redeeming quality is the looks, and yet not worth the pricing.
I want Apple to produce another monitor so much! What gets me is how wobbly so many monitors are. I use a sit / stand desk, which moves a fair amount at standing height, and a steady monitor really helps.
The dells are super stable. Some of the best bases I’ve ever used.
@@Tango_Lima_ Good to know, thanks.
Don't forget to add a couple 1000 bucks for a monitor stand
Don't forget most monitors have a Vesa Mount. You could buy a nice quality monitorarm for it, which looks nicer and cleaner imo as well. It gives you more space on your desk as well.
Just make sure you buy a good quality one, by watching reviews, if you care about wobbliness. Also, take the adjustable maximum height in consideration
Guess what, they did! The Apple Studio Display, from 1600 USD!
I’m disappointed that you didn’t talk about the image quality aspect (a more in-depth color coverage that closest to MacBook’s) of the external monitors. One of the biggest feature of MacBook for me is the beautiful screen and it is very hard to replicate when using an external monitor. Hope you can talk about it in the future!
Seriously, this video makes no sense. What the fuck
Yes, especially considering text rendering. I was so surprized to see lower resolution monitor recommendations when Big Sur has now removed subpixel antialiasing for fonts.
All LG has to do is stop using that strange crescent/C-stand which is very unwieldy on a desk. Their Ultrafine monitors that they co-developed with Apple have the perfect stand: a solid metal, low-profile rounded rectangle. The Ergo stand on some models is pretty nice too and has good integrated cable management. But yeah, this video was really not actually looking out for a Mac user’s real interests, more likely pushing this sponsored junk through referral links.
ugh....so you don't even tried to watch the video. We are not talking here about $2k+ garbage with cool colors here
@@s.i.m.c.a ?? I watched it that’s why I give that comment. Do you realize the title contain “BEST” word? And talking about the best without considering color on monitor (especially to pair with MacBook) feels kinda off. I won’t comment like that if the tittle is “The Most Apple-esque Monitor on Budget”.
Don’t get me wrong, I love this channel and that’s exactly why I give constructive critic 😉
I don't understand how you can recommend these low res monitors to go with a MacBook. Less than 4k is extremely jarring next to a "retina" density display. Macos looks terrible at 1080p
True
The idea was to find a monitor that works well with the Mac without shelling out an arm/leg. He took into consideration your concerns also. Until Apple makes a consumer monitor that is not horribly overpriced/expensive/taking out a second mortgage on, these four will do fine.
Razer Monitor lmao!
I recommend you to watch Hardware Unboxed video about Razer Raptor :)
I'm surprised we didn't see any of Asus's Pro Art monitors? I've got two Thunderbolt Displays daisy changed with a TB 3 to TB 2 adapter. So while I'm happy with them, I have noticed that my MacBook Pro does have a slightly better/more vibrant display, and I've had my first one of these for about ten years now. (Second one was bought used from someone on Kijiji for 600 CND which was a great price but I kinda realized I didn't really need the second one.)
I suspect I'll give these to a family member should Apple ever come out with a semi-reasonably priced prosumer-focused monitor again. For now though they're great. When I'm at work I can connect them to my work computer with one cable, then connect them to my MacBook with the same cable. My only qualm is I wish I could charge my Mac with that one cable instead of having to have a separate charging cable. I've thought of getting a TB3 dock from Cal Digital or something but that seems excessive for just moving from one cable to two. I wish Apple had just allowed the Tb3 adapter to carry a charge from a connected cable.
I was about to suggest this too. I can imagine that the PA329CV is a little too bulky and plastic for the aesthetic he's discussing, but the color calibration out of the box is a strong choice for designers on a budget.
He wanted a monitor that was less than $800. That Asus is $4500 and honestly if you are spending that much you might as well get the Apple one.
@@theangryintern You're probably thinking of the PA27UCX-K or PA32UCX-PK, which are the the mini-LED displays.
The model number I posted is a 32" 4k UHD model at 799 US.
That said, I also goofed: that model isn't out quite yet; I should have posted the PA279CV, which is a 27" 4k model that can be found for under $500 US.
My 24" Apple Cinema Display I used as a second monitor recently died. I just bought the ProArt PA248QV to replace it (due to space restrictions, it fits perfectly and has the same aspect ratio and resolution). The color accuracy is amazing and now makes my much more expensive 27" 1440p monitor next to it look a little washed out by comparison. I'm very happy with it. My only complaint is the external aesthetics are a little cheesy with the included ruler on the bottom bezel (Chin).
I was surprised the pro art PA32UC had a “pro” moniker and was said to be good for colour grading. Perhaps it is, but I found the artefacts from the backlight zoning way too distracting and sent it back. Had it tested first to make sure it wasn’t a hardware or software issue, not it was working as intended. It made the joker movie into a mess of backlit squares for highlights.
For a $2k monitor in 2020 I felt a bit let down. My dell 27 ultrasharps with premiere colour have been solid performers will have to wait a bit longer to be replaced.
>industrial design
>cable management
>USB-C
literally the 3 least important things, in the name of vanity. just focus on a good panel, and then you can get a higher-end, purpose-built USB hub to handle the other functionality.
What do you expect from a self confessed Mac Fanboy?
@@Psyopcyclops Considering people say macs are used by media creators, (photo, video, music, etc.), something with concessions to that. A high resolution (aka: not 1080 and 1440p), pre-calibrated color-accurate, huge display.
Remember, this is LTT, they should have something better than "it looks pretty".
@@Hittsy This is why a lot of Mac users end up with UltraSharps. They come with good connectivity, they're (mostly) solid, good accurate panels, wide array of resolution and size options etc. They also don't look horrible. They're their professional line of displays so they don't try to do too much with the aesthetics and understand you're focusing on the content and not the box it's housed in.
I’m still rocking the 27inch Cinema Display with my M1 Mac mini
Same. Still going strong after 10 years
@@marccastles are you using it with a M1 Mac
@@RavageEject84 nah. I still have an Intel MacBook Pro
I bought a lower end LG 4k Display based on a recomendation from my local apple store (UHD 27UL850 ). It has 2 USB A ports so I can add any device I want, and is a perfect companion for my Macbook Air M1.
THIS! Absolutely this!
Honestly, I have one of those myself and I'd be hesitant to recommend it. The 4K panel is nice, and in SDR mode it looks pretty good, and I like that it has a height adjust stand and hardware calibration support, but I've found that the black levels on it are atrocious - not just in comparison to like an OLED or a high end LCD, but even when compared to my old cheap business grade Dell screen. The HDR honestly feels like a borderline scam based on how bad it looks, and there's a lot of small creature comfort type things that it falls down in - it won't auto switch inputs between displayport and USB-C (admittedly a problem only for folks with multiple computers), the cables all jut out straight out of the back (I'll concede that's probably better for a VESA mount though), the stand is pretty wobbly, it picks up a lot of glare and reflections for a matte display. If you have one and you like it then honestly all power to you, but as I said I'd be hesitant to recommend it.
It also has the best monitor stand imo
@@elecxonica so do you have a better option?
Looks like they watched this video
I would love an updated version of this for 2023/2024, especially after Apple removed sub pixel anti-aliasing on MacOS.
i have the razer one for my docking station- it's significantly cheaper when it's on sale (i got it for only like $400). if you can find it at that price point, i think it's definitely worth it.
I'm considering an Ultrawide because annoyingly the new M1 MacBooks don't support two external displays.
Get the ultra wide. It sucked for PC gaming but for what you’re using it for itlll be dope
1080p is enormous at 24 inches. It's okay on it's own, but at ~90 dpi next to a 230 DPI MBP? I did that for 2 years with a 13" 2017 MBP at work (I didn't pick the monitor) and absolutely hated it.
Agreed rather brutal when you get used to quality high PPI screens, other screens look like washed out flyscreens by comparison
Why didn't you mention the beautiful 'industrial' looking HP Z monitors!? I've got the 4K 10-bit 27" HP Z monitor for 650 Euros :) It's regularly in sale and also has enough features, it stands besides my 2019 16" MacBook pro.
I have 2 HP Z monitors at work that have DisplayPort over USB-C. I’m very pleased with them. They have power delivery over USB-C as well as onboard USB Type A and USB-C ports, as well as an audio out jack.
I've got a Z32. Honestly, not a lot of people know about them and they might not be available in all markets. I mean, there's still not a single review of the Z32 out there, and it's a 2018 model.
That being said, it has a sturdier build compared to similar LG and Benq offerings (4k 32" USB-C). It's still plastic, don't get me wrong, but it's way more refined and tasteful. Similar LG monitors (think 32UD99, 32UL950, etc.) have had massive panel defects and Benq models (like the PD3220U) were incredibly hard to find in my experience.
You were close with the dell. The actual one you should get is the Dell U2722DE. It's just so much better.
Late but:
I put 2 27“ Dell 4ks on a dual Stand and have the Belkin TB3 Dock to host everything on my desk, the MacBook Pro (now waiting for my M1 Max 64GB to finally arrive…) vertically closed in „clamshell“
With macOS‘ great scaling I run them „like“ two 6ks at looks like 3008x1692👌
But as my desk is facing the wall I dont care much about the back of monitors…
But heck, I‘d jump at a set of 5k or 6k Apple TB Displays for ~1000-1500€ with ports, charging, speakers, cam… the works
I’m so glad I’m a Mac user who isn’t design obsessed. Function over form every time!
They need not fight ‘form follows function’ was the bauhaus way. To me I think it means that there can be a sleek design that aids in use.
Before Johnny Ives left there seemed to be too much effort trying to chase a pure geometric aesthetic that detracted from usability. I’m glad that appears to have ended.
The 5K UltraFine is the only one that actually has a good resolution tbh.
Well isn't this silly now?
Five months later and apple releases exactally what we wanted.
Aaaaaaand its 1600$ and uses the same panel of a 2015 iMac with a slightly better backlight.
3:04 I’m sorry what? Why on earth did this embarrassment of a product make the video. For anyone who wants context, go watch Hardware Unboxed’s review of the raptor 27 and just see how horrible the monitor is.
You’re frustrated Apple left this market, I’m frustrated about it, too. Today I had to set up a new router which Apple also left. It was a pain it the neck. I eventually settled on an ASUS ZenWiFi XT8 which has many of the same features including time machine support and an iPhone App to set it up via Bluetooth. So that’s pretty neat but it also comes with pages of bloatware and AI schemes end BullGuard and F-Secure. It also refuses to operate with the 10.0 range, and instead insists on 192.168.50.x, so I have to redo all my setups to change their IP’s.
Why did Apple exit the router market, and what would you do now? Come on, your channel’s name is literally MAC address :p
The Dell S2719DC isn't available anywhere anymore. Does anyone have thoughts on an alternative that is available?
You can’t really suggest a 1440p monitor as a good alternative to the 5k LG…
I think the focus was more on design in this video.
Wow. This had to be the most appearance focused, pretentious mac video yet. Glossing over any feature or functionality and focusing on pure aesthetics.
@@shlurpydurp1804 I'm not sure how this applies to my statement honestly. A monitor isn't something that really works differently, and its really on Apple to set up the drivers in a reasonable way to make it easy. But this video had nothing to do with ease of use, it was purely a pretentious view on monitor aesthetics in a way that doesn't even matter. It wasn't a overview on screen quality, colour reproduction, resolution, refresh rate, anything that actually matters when it comes to a monitors function. It was does simply this look Apple.
This video is just going to add fuel to the fire that Apple fanboys just care about how things look. I get that when all things are equal, go with the better-looking option, even if it cost more. But things like resolution and color accuracy didn't even play into your decision. This was just a "what monitor makes my desk look pretty?" video.
You could see Jonathan slowly dying inside while doing the DBrand ad read in front of an iMac that had been completely un-Apple-ified
The Razer monitor isn't even a good monitor for it's price range lmao. You can get around a lot of these ugly stands by getting a nice vesa arm and a thin bezel display
Literally facts. I'm surprised they had it here.
Thank you, also surprised to see it in the video…
EXCUSE ME? Did anybody look at the Samsung M7? It's 32 inch, 4k, USB C supports 65W of charging, smart tv features, sells for 299 CAD at best buy. Excuse me? The M7 blew every single monitor, especially the Dell, out the fucking water. Did Linus not tell you about the monitor? It was featured on LTT before.
Well, it only goes to 200 nits? But I agree. It also has 3 USB A and a USB C and a remote control. It's good. I use for mac mini
I think there are quite a few monitors that are missing on this list. For ecample the Huawei MateView 28 inch 4K monitor could be great, or on the high end the LG 38WN95C-W.
Did anyone yet mention the Huawei Mateview? Seems to be the obvious choice
I'm really surprized you'd recommend 1080p and 1440p monitors for MacBooks... Since Big Sur removed subpixel antialiasing for fonts macOS renders text horribly blurry on lower density displays. And I don't mean compared to how text looks on retina displays. Big Sur does comparatively worse with text on a low density monitor than a Windows laptop on the same display.
I'm still using my Thunderbolt display, there just isn't a monitor that has this kind of build quality and integration with macs for 1000$, they're all ugly, made out of plastic, don't have auto brightness or an integrated webcam. Until Apple or someone else makes a decent successor to the thunderbolt display I'm not upgrading
I personally care more about resolution and color accuracy, for the work i do
Samsung CJ791 is the one, with ultrawide, almost 4K, 100hz, single cable thunderbolt with (85w?) power, two USB-A ports, and extra thunderbolt 15W port, cable mgmt, vesa support, and built in speakers.
You're the one LTT host who doesn't obsess over "gaming" - thanks for making videos that the rest of us can relate to!
today you proved that apple is just too much hyped period
As someone who works on a computer shop, this video is awesome since now I know what to recommend to Mac users who want an external monitor that "fits" their macbooks.
But in my opinion, you fail to address which monitor is better related to their color accuracy to an actual Macbook or iMac screen, which is what most people tend to ask me.
Then you should absolutely ignore the Razer. There are better monitors out there for such a steep price
I am a Mac user looking for a very good display for my (on-order) new MacBook pro. I am not very happy that you highlighted INDUSTRIAL DESIGN as your leading criteria for selecting a display. No, I will not be spending $7000 on an Apple Pro XDR display...But the purpose of a display IS TO SEE YOUR IMAGES! THAT should ALWAYS be the number one consideration for a monitor. You recommended a 1080p display....Realy? This video just played to the stereotype that Mac uses care more about how the hardware LOOKS than how it performs. PLEASE make another version of this video in the vein of "Not willing to spend $7000 on an apple display? Here are the best Mac-friendly alternatives."
Love the fresh style you give this show
The M1 iMac is not much more expensive, has a far superior display and is a computer itself. All your work is synchronized via iCloud between all Apple devices anyway. So, there is no reason to use a MacBook with a external display at all.
I need two monitors
@@xWoodenLeafx No one needs two monitors. You just haven't discovered multiple desktops (spaces) yet.
This video accurately, effectively and openly caters to all of the worst aspects of Apple fans. I am genuinely unsure whether to dislike what it's doing, or like how well it's doing it.
What?
Omg , this video is so perfect . Addresses the exact problem I have point to point. I thought as if this was going to be like finding a needle in a haystack . But lo and behold . Thank you so much brother !
I don't own a single mac product but I still watched the whole video. You have a magnetic personality keep up the good work
I think this is the best monitor for Cheap: Xiaomi Mi Curved 34" Freesync Gaming Monitor 144Hz WQHD Ultrawide!!! ITS ONLY $413 USD! I bought it and it's amazing it curved and great cable management!
I really loved the Thunderbolt Display. I want a new (affordable) generation.
Currently I’m using a 49“ ultrawide Phillips 499P9H that offers a full usb-c docking station with 100W charging and even Ethernet. You could get one for 600€ right now and I can highly recommend if you want/need that screen real estate
?? its currently 1,6k?
Dell literally makes a 27" 4K USB-C monitor with 65W power delivery (S2722QC for $470) or 90W power delivery (U2720Q for $540). Not sure why you would pick a 1440p panel with external power supply and crap USB power delivery when Dell offers better.
I have the Samsung 34" ultrawide here and it's an awesome display. When this is hooked up, my MacBook Pro's display becomes the secondary display (as in, the one I use the least). Also great for media consumption - the 21:9 ratio is fantastic for movies.
I just bought one off Amazon for $399….. great to hear it works!
Really surprised you would recommend so many 1440p and 1080p monitors. Doesn’t that produce blurry text? This is a widely documented problem. The only monitors Apple sells are 4K @ 24” and 5K @ 27” and 6K @ 32”.
Isn't the Razer display really bad? Hardware Canucks and HUB both have reviews that demolish the monitor as something that's not worth buying at all, even at half the asking price.
I guess I can understand the logic of the criteria used? But they all seem... Antithetical to what you should be looking for in a monitor. You'd want a color-accurate panel that performs reasonably well for when you want to do photo or video work, and it mskes itself a nice touch when entertaining yourself with Netflix and the like. But the criteria mentioned just seem to be focused on aesthetics and convenience, not a good overall user experience and product quality.
Good industrial design, I'd like to think that most of the time, I'll be staring at the display, not the bezels and stand surrounding it.
Good cable management? This seems so arbitrary. It's a nice add-on feature in a monitor, I suppose, but definitely not what should be taken as a major factor when choosing an external display to work on.
USB - C may be the most logical of the three criteria, considering Apple's current port decisions, but even then, I'd say DP is the major thing to consider. But yeah, letting this one go.
I'm unable to understand the ultimate point of this video. Apple doesn't make affordable, industrial design displays, so let's get the one that aesthetically resembles their offerings without any of the picture quality that would be needed? I guess that would work if all you're doing is writing on a browser, browsing social media, etc. But once you go into professional work, literally all of the monitors shortlisted here would fall apart terribly, making them an even worse comparison to current Apple displays.
Additionally, I don't see the reason to dissuade a 27" 1440p display option. The pixel density a 1440p display has, plus the graphical horsepower needed to run a 1440p display make it one of the most compelling choices to buy as a PC monitor. 4k really only starts making logical sense if
a) you're doing a lot of editing and color work where pixel accuracy is required (where all of these monitors fall apart again, anyway)
b) if the display is larger 32" or larger (which none of these displays are anyway)
What's the point of a good-looking monitor if it doesn't perform well?
This
Agreed
No… no, no, no, I don’t dislike that dell display, but LG makes similar, if not better, things for cheaper. LG displays seem to just work great, I don’t have any newer one with thunderbolt, but I do have a 5 year old ultra wide display that was, for the time, far cheaper and just overall way better than the competition. This might be complete nonsense to some, but LG has won me over, I also have an LG t.v. and honestly I just trust them better than other brands, especially since they make most of the displays (except for the Samsung made ones)
I recently got a Samsung M70A monitor, and that works fantastically with my Mac. Connection over USB-C with 60 watt power delivery, 2 HDMI ports, 4K resolution with a 32” panel, and support for AirPlay if you want to use it with your Mac wirelessly (although it’s not a great experience) or send content from your phone, and a few USB-A ports on the back (although they’re a little hit and miss if you plug in a hard drive). The only potential downside for some is that it’s a “smart” monitor, so you can also use it to watch Netflix or UA-cam, use Dex if you’ve got a Samsung phone, or use it as a remote desktop thin client (which I haven’t used but is a pretty cool idea). If you just want it as a monitor though, it’s still excellent just as a screen and the price is fantastic, and the smart features are pretty snappy so it’d also make a good screen for a student dorm room.
Razer Raptor And HUAWEI MateView 28, are your best friends.. Or and 27 inch imac over thunderbolt ..
It DEFINITELY is not the Razer monitor. It’s CRAP.
Edit: OH GOD… I didn’t think you’d even consider it… the only thing it’s good at is at looking “good”.
They should just release the imac without the guts. Then you can have dual screen imac experience too with a perfectly matching monitor. It's crazy they canned selling displays completely in 2016 even if it's never going to reach the popularity of the iPhone. They still make the home pod ffs
A really good option that's lately come on the market, in my opinion, is the Huawei Mateview. It looks a lot like an iMac, is about £600, supports HDR and has a 3:2 3840x2560 resolution - basically 4k but with extra height.
In general though, the monitor market has been really frustrating for long time Apple users. Until the Dell 32" 8k monitor came out (which doesn't even work on macs), there was no monitor on the market that beat the old 30" Apple Cinema Display in all specifications. You could get higher DPI and resolution but at a smaller physical size. You could get larger monitors but without an improvement in DPI. There's finally been some nice improvement in what's available in the 32" 4k market but nothing that has it nailed yet.
The problem with 1440p and Macs is that you can only get (HiDPI) mode at 720p. It is pretty sweet that variable refresh rate works so if you have a monitor and Mac that supports it you can get some pretty nice Freesync. Myself I purchased a ViewSonic OMNI XG2705-2K 27. While it doesn't have a USB-C input, it cost me less than $300 and also works in landscape or portrait.
Ever watch a video and realize it’s the video you’ve been looking for but didn’t know it? I’ve been looking for a monitor that fits the Mac look for ages
Same.
Too bad you didn'taddress the issues with font rendering that plague non retina displays since they nuked sub-pixel aliasing. this makes all of them 'suck' compared to the LG 5k or iMac 5k screens.
This is the best channel LMG produces... Finally Linus made one channel that worth a damn.
Razer monitor is pleagued with issues and its quite embarrassing that it’s recommended from a channel in the linues tech family to be honest. Will have to downvote this vid and i recommend others as well. They should not recommend defective and sub par products
None in 4k ugh so USELESS
34wk95u-w from LG is 5k2k ultrawide. you could also go for a dell ultrasharp or LG ultrafine, those are at least 4k but not ultrawide.
Anyone who watches Hardware Unboxed is cringing at this video. Poor job on this one dude. The Razer is not “kinda expensive” , it’s a completely a total waste of money.
Love this channel! It's laid back and well presented, obviously for Apple users but not fanboyish or afraid to give constructive criticism. Hope it grows!
I went on this exact thought process to buy my new monitor and ended up choosing the Huawei Mateview. Surprised not to see it in your panel (pun intended) :)
Nice looking. Not available in US
I faced this problem when I picked up the M1 mini… LG panels were either unavailable or priced above the computer value itself … ended up with slightly used Dell P2415Q… 4K@60@24” is closer to Retina than alternatives and cost me shy of 200$… happy so far, but I would consider an Apple alternative ;)
HUAWEI MateView 4K Ultra HD 28.2" IPS LCD Monitor Silver - this should have been included
Its perfect for a mac setup, it fits in well
I want a display that matches the resolution of my 5K iMac and none of these monitors are it.
Good thing Apple lets you use the iMac as a display, right? .. They DO let you use it as just a display, right?
LG ultrafine 5K.., still the best option and same panel as the imac ☝️
@@PanoWorks It isn't that Apple don't let you, it's that the tech isn't capable of it. It came out before 5K was a thing over a single cable so they made their own timing controller so it would work. It isn't jut 2 streams combined into one like other 5K displays did, it's a single, contiguous image. The bandwidth just didn't exist in any existing standards at the time for it to work so they did their own. Kind of how Lightning predates USB-C for reversible connectors. No standard existed, so they did their own.
What ist about the Huawei MateView Monitor. Definitly looks more Apple than the monitors showed in the video. It has a decend 4K IPS panel as well.
"The other monitors on the market are ugly"
Proceeds to place a cheese grater on desk
Watching this now in 2022 7:22 was legit spot on
Maybe the Eve Spectrum 4K one, if it ever hits store shelves to buy easier. It has like all the features and a quite understated (though plastic) design.
It basically the same as that LG 4k 120hz monitor with USB C added to it, which makes it perfect for Macs.
I wouldn’t trust that company with 5c of my money.
@@Psyopcyclops hence why “in store” if you can call Best Buy for the replacement it should be fine.
@@EraYaN No it shouldn’t be fine lol. I don’t support companies with a history of scamming customers, censoring opinions, and lying to consumers. You want to get on your knees for a monitor? Go ahead.
@@Psyopcyclops hardware is hardware dude, especially in countries where the store handles the warranty… might as well
I would throw the Huawei Mateview 4K UHD in the ring for 600€. 3840*2560 at a 3 : 2 ratio and integrated mic and speakers
"There are a load of other monitors out there, but they're all ugly"
And the cheese grater is pretty?
tbh I don't have a mac, just bored so I decided to watch this, but if I did have a mac and needed an external monitor, I know I'd probably just get a cheap £10 4:3 monitor and adapter off ebay because that's what I did with my windows desktop
This is the one where his real personality comes out. In a good way or bad way? That's up to you.
Huawei MateView 28” 4K 2:3 works flawlessly with my M1 MacBook Air via usb c. I love it, and it has an aluminum finish
Shitbait video title. Since when did “best” mean objectively mediocre? Show me the legit OLED mastering monitors. Downvoted.
Until Apple release something (likely) better.... I guess HUAWEI MateView is not a bad choice...
Samsung s24r350 is really good. I got one at $145 and it has 1920x1080p and 75hz. (24inch)
Why is BenQ always ignored? PD2700U and SW271 (professional version) are great monitors!
HAhah the only video where they dont say how stupidly overpriced is the Razor monitor 🤣🤣 only for Apple fanbooiisss
Apparently they didn't watch the Hardware Unboxed video analyzing the Razer display.
I have an Asus 4k proart, and while not exactly industrial design, it is amazing
LG 27UK850-W 27 is also a solid option. I freaking love it
What about the Huawei Mateview? This is probably the best looking monitor I've ever seen
Best monitor is huawei mate view apple just kid infront of huawei's technology