The Finest Pixels for CS:GO - Antialiasing
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- Опубліковано 5 чер 2024
- MSAA, FXAA... what does it all mean? What's the difference?
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Which should you use? And despite us all hating FXAA, perhaps using both at the same time has its benefits...
0:00 - CS:GO's default settings
0:47 - Introduction to aliasing
2:07 - MSAA
3:44 - FXAA
5:26 - WHY NOT BOTH
6:39 - Benchmarks
7:30 - Other stuff if you're interested
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This man has just explained the different anti-aliasing types better than most tech channels
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Linus Tech Tips calls this bullshit
*These are pixels, and I must blur them*
Lol
And adds chicken
Fuck pixels, chickens are better
Why both? Wait... I must have watched too much japanese porn.
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2:45 "And 8x chooses..... 9"
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i giggle so hard on that lol
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You watched the same video? What a coincidence. Thanks for repeating exactly what he said. So funny.
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Loving that background noise. Really adds to the left side of the screen's goofiness.
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To be honest, I thought that that was a bed creaking at first. And wondered what in the name of family friendly content was happening in your room when you were recording this.
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4:00 ahh this part actually has me laughing pretty good
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Mojo's World and adds chiken was the part that got me
These are pixels. And I must blur them
Any idea what that sound was and where I can get it?
@@Adventurer32 I believe it's philip's own music
No long boring intro and no meaningless outro, just straight to the point!
That's (one of the reasons) why we love your videos man!
Magnus Andersen Sadly, most channels fail at this simple task.
Fun fact, there's a shader parameter that enables MSAA for transparent textures, but CSGO doesn't use it on any materials
*4:08* This is Philip and I must watch him
and does THIS
**likes**
Well I'm glad I finally know the difference between them, I had fxaa only on. I'm sure it's the only reason I'm shit at csgo 😒
I think the reason you are bad is that you use Fov_csgo_debug 175
Yo more vids plz
Karl Zobok umm what is that ?
@@VicBayolo Field of view probably
Vic A. Bayolo try it and find out. xD and don’t forget to enable cheats before!
0:43
*Vsauce music starts playing*
4:28 *Operation Arrowhead flashbacks intensify*
Looks like Arma : Armed Assault to me
Every one liked this comment doesn't know shit about OFP or Arma cold war crisis and Armed assault !
That's Arma Armed Assault
Reminds me of Operation Arrowhead too, because that's the one I played the most. Don't know why people are acting superior because they know other games exist. Great, good for you, you're a "real" fan.
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*when you notice that the "fence" at **1:10** is your PC's current state*
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Valve should hire you. Give you an official Valve channel, where you just go through video games on steam and discuss settings, cool technologies, interesting lore and more. I dont even play CS or currently any valve game and im subscribed because of the quality content and your good hosting skills.
On today's episode of: My Computer is Better Than Yours
:( lowest setting 45 fps
@@emila8072 same bro
@@emila8072 you play on a potato?
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@@megadolon7000 yes.
I3 processor 2 cores multi threading no gpu only igpu and 4 gigs of ram.
I really hope you read this, the UA-cam algorithm has only just made this video appear for me in my recommendations and this topic is entirely in my domain. I'm a graphics engine programmer and anti-aliasing is a speciality of mine.
There's loads of things for me to say about your video, please do read.
MSAA works 'essentially' the way you described, but it's actually a bit backwards. The sample-points of MSAA are tied to multiple "buffers" - these are pretty much multiple copies of the image and the depth buffer. So 2x MSAA will have two copies of the image buffer and depth buffer, 4x would have four, etc. The GPU will shade the pixel's colour ONCE and then for each sample point that the triangle hits the corresponding buffer will have that shade result written to. Same deal with depth. At the end of everything being rendered the MSAA buffers are blended together to create the anti-aliased final image.
This results in MSAA having increased geometry resolution at the same cost as native resolution's shading rate. 4x MSAA at 1080p will consume the same GPU memory as 4k, shade the pixels as if they were 1080p, but treat the geometry as if it is 4k. This is why you see more detail with higher MSAA, there's more MSAA buffers for geometry to write to - it is effectively 4k down sample for geometry.
MSAA doesn't work on surface of the geometry (there is a big 'HOWEVER' coming up) so the textures in the middle receive no anti-aliasing with MSAA - the hope is that their filtering will take care of this; which is what the bilinear/trilinear/anisotropy is there to take care of - it precalculates what the anti-aliased texture should look like and selects those for sampling (and blends them about in the case of trilinear and anisotropic). The reason anisotropic looks better is because the texture mips are precalculated for filtering in the X and Y axis individually, not just in the XY together, the number of anisotropic multipliers is the number of samples used for blending the filtered result. The idea of texture filtering is "the more wrong (aliased) samples we choose the closer we'll get to a desired (non-aliased) result".
The issue with MSAA not applying to textures hits textures with alpha transparency. Alpha of a texture has nothing to do with the geometry of a triangle, so it has no effect at all on the MSAA sample point selection and as a result carries on believing all samples are covered (so the alpha value will blend with all MSAA buffers, even our human belief is that an alpha cut-out should be an "edge"). There is a hack to improve this called "alpha-to-coverage" which pretty much every modern game uses by default, however I don't think CS:GO does for some reason (need to double check this). Alpha-to-coverage hijack the MSAA buffers to blend 2^N levels of transparency when those buffers are blended together at the MSAA resolve step (end of frame, when your "average colour" is sorted out). If something is 50% transparent, then it will render to 1/2 of the MSAA buffers, so when blended 50% transparency is produced. There is a heck of a lot of GPU crap going on such as stippling/dithering to try and fake more levels of transparency, but it generally works quite nicely (even if no MSAA is available). GTA V is a good example of alpha-to-coverage being used.
FXAA does not take depth into account, would be cool if it did, but it doesn't. Just a minor thing to pick up on. This is a performance thing, it's faster to sample just the colour buffer a few times then to sample both depth and colour a few times for each pixel. FXAA uses luminosity of a pixel, so it relies on the fact that human eyes are more sensitive to changes in light than colour to try and smooth out (and blur up) pixels that have sudden change in luminosity.
The gold-standard of AA is super-sampling, but the reason that isn't used is because of the very high shading rate of a 4k image compared to a 1080p image (as an example). Super-sampling retains as much of the original aliased data as possible until the very end when it is resolved to the smaller native resolution output, MSAA effectively does that but only for geometry, the shading rate is at output resolution - so less GPU shader work happening per pixel but same memory consumption.
Super sampling + MSAA will get you the most accurate image possible: at 4k super sampling with 4x MSAA you will get geometry information of an 8k(!!!) image shaded at a 4k rate then down sampled to 1080p. That's a LOT of data that's being aliased into a single pixel (4x shading rate, 16x geometry coverage). DSR is super-sampling but with clever metrics involved to attempt an even better image (likely pixel coverage like MSAA to bias the more important pixels, but without the shading rate benefits).
So why did 2x MSAA increase your frame-rate? My guess is that you have a GPU that uses tiled rendering (very likely these days). A tiled GPU will load up a chunk of the memory and operate on that before writing the result. If no MSAA does not fill up that chunk of memory, then the tiled renderer is not saturated with stuff to do. It probably completes its work load then waits for everything to wind down before the next work load. 2x MSAA probably saturates the tiled renderer, that's my >>guess
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Dude writes an essay for kliksphilips and i can't write 2 lines for my teacher
@Kent Chong Super Sampling as high as you can set it and MSAA as high as you can set it (up to your performance tolerance).
FXAA is only there to make the image shimmer less. With Super Sampling FXAA is tolerable, without Super Sampling it's going to blur a lot at native resolution and you might notice it.
Ultimately go with what you think is best.
@@Xilefian Thank you for the more detailed info pal :D
@@Xilefian thanks mate!
its like watching a story unfold i watched your videos back in the day and its nice to see you wondering ab future and then me knowing what has already happened
I find videos like these so cool, I always think about the clever techniques and strategies for artificially improving the resolution. Do more like these Phil!
You should do a “trust factor vs prime matchmaking” video. You might’ve made one already that I haven’t seen but just in case I left a comment.
I just remember going into csgo for the first time and threw my headphones off from the sound
I fucking loved it.
Philip! I just noticed that Google search picked up your timestamps in the description, when I was looking for "csgo fxaa" your video appeared and I could just directly to the FXAA section because you put them in the description. That's awesome!
This video is amazing. I had no idea what the settings do and didn’t want to read all the informations with no examples. Thank you for the video
3:39 "Depending On What I've Had To Eat That Morning"
"Hm i see you increased the resolution by a factor of 2... Here are 6% more FPS because that makes sense." ~the GPU
MSAA doesn't do that. it just detect polygon edges (hence it doesn't fix texturemaps with alpha, like fences and foliage) and does two samples per pixel only on those edges. increasing the resolution by a factor of two would be using 2x SSAA, which basically renders the whole scene at a higher resolution then scales it down. It's the most accurate method but has the highest performance penalty.
Absolutely best video explaining the different settings for layman's usage in CSGO settings!
I still come back to this video every once in a while, absolutely hilarious explanations.
Me: *awkwardly laughs in 800x600 everything on low settings resolution*
Try 640x480
Try 380 × 380
try 320x200
Love your content, i would've loved to meet you at the next tournament!
Glad to see your still doing the CS:GO videos :)
I will try the setting you suggested. I always wondered about that, but no longer! Thanks for the explanation.
Love you 3Kiliks
How is this guy not working for Valve already?
Because no1 works at Valve. Literally. Check out former dota's 2 developer confession on reddit where he says that updating the game is actually discouraged.
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Cineva in comentarii ok now that’s epic
Cineva in comentarii loool this is nuts
Because Valve do not hire talented developers
Really good video Philip, this is my favourite kind of videos. On top of that, I also love AA and game setting comparisons. 10/10
This is the first video about comparing different types of anti-aliasing that I actually understood. Thank you for making this :)
The approach you describe is basically what SMAA 4x and TXAA 4x does already, with added temporal reprojection, giving 2 samples from 2 frames for 4 samples and then does the morphological reconstruction over that. It's a shame that Nvidia had to lock down TXAA because it is still the best option of antialiasing bar none, but only a few games support it.
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Never knew what those options were for. Glad I found this vid. Thanx mate 👏🏼💪🏼
Literally just started having fps problems with the update and I saw this video and I messed with my settings and they feel really smooth now. Thank you for making this video it was very useful!
Better than linustechtips, great video!
I just finished the video bye
Vasxus thanks for info
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Vasxus I just finished my wife off, hi :3
Luna Tulpa, thx for the info m8. :D
See you around. MM?
I just wanted to say, this is my personal FAVORITE video. It's super insightful and I learned a lot. Before this video I would just go into settings and set everything to medium or low and turn off stuff that "seems" demanding. Now I have decent understanding of what I'm doing when playing around in settings. I would love more content like this. I'm playing dirt rally 2.0 right now, and I was hoping you mentioned other settings like EQAA. I'm going to doing some googling now to find the answer, but I think it's a good topic for future videos. Other videos on the topic of pixels and graphic tend to assume I know enough to understand wtf they're talking about.
Lmao how do you have a favorite youtube video😂.
You my friend can explain topics like no other. well done mate
You will probably never read this but...
Hey Philip, what about NVIDIA MFAA? You can enable it in NVIDIA Control Panel and it will overwrite MSAA whenever MSAA is used, apparently its supposed to have a similar AA effect to MSAA but with a lot lower performance hit.
Could you perhaps test this as well?
And btw, thanks for this very nice and informative video! :)
MFAA is MSAA, but with alternating positions for where the MSAA samples are. The end result is always a combination of the current frame and the previous in some clever way to avoid ghosting. There should be no downside to using it unless you see visible ghosting / motion blur, and the end result should be double the MSAA quality for free.
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lol, I'm guessing you haven't talked to many Americans about stuff like this
The 2003 Iraq war
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He clearly never watched a single avengers movie.
Nagazaki, Syria, Vietnam...
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Im so glad after a marathon of (2)(3)kliksphilip, it ended with a new from you!!
Nearly 720k wow keep up the amazing work !!
Your tearing me appart FXAA
One problem with FXAA is that it makes enemies blurry at long distances.
I have 3k hours in csgo, global elite, and i always complain because i have hard times at long range because i can't clearly ennemies... I feel retarded now
I have 3k hours too,but the thing about FXAA its I knew about that for 6 months,lol.
Martin Janás life is hard x)
Martin Janás Here's how to solve it:
Turn it off.
I know :D
man thanks i knew what anti aliacing was but never knew how it works u gained a sub
Most wholesome channel that I know of that remains binge-able and funny
And what is best video settings for better graphic and better fps too?
hey philip please make a video about the difference between high dpi + low ingame sense and low dpi + high ingame sense. high dpi and low sens should feel smoother because less pixels will be skipped that way but most pros use very low dpis like 400/800.
Low DPI and high sense can cause your crosshair to skip pixels. I tried to play fortnite on a PS4 with my mouse and I had to turn the in-game sense up because my mouse appearantly uses low DPI on the PS4. It felt horrible and it confirms what you're saying. You can try it yourself, it's bad.
I had high dpi very low sens (like 2500 x 0,25) before, then switched to low dpi normal sens (700 x 1) and I like it alot more. Also there are games where you cant change the mouse sens below 1.
Its placebo. There is diffrence, but its so small that when playing on normal fov you cant tell that somethings wrong (maybe can feel it on very small sens but idk)
Jamnik, you can feel it and it's awful
Ps4 cant use the mouse properly for some reason. I played without converter (fortnite,FF14) and couple of games like CoD and Rb6 with cheap converter(Hama Speedshot) and my friends got one of the most expensive (xim4) but it doesnt come close to pc feeling in my opinion.
3kliks, remember the "adaptive MSAA" from old AMD Catalyst drivers? Thats what saved my eyes back in 1.6. It was MSAA that also smoothed sprites, so you could see better through vents, or the blinds on window inferno.
It was basically looking like SSAA, but with almost the same performance impact as MSAA.
But somehow, it doesnt work anymore nowadays. I really dont understand why.
Hey man, thanks a bunch for this. For me personally I just got a new SSD and reinstall everything, I was wondering which setting I should have on and this helped me out.
God I love these videos
I have a potato. My mxaa is off.
The Immortal Pwnage msaa or fxaa?
no such thing as mxaa
All of my settings are off and lowest 640x480 but still 15 fps
Xahse move up to 800 X whatever.
Usually our cards can't go down lower now. Source; just trust me.
I tried. Im having 30fps at 720p settings, and 1280x600 just reaches 35fps.
Don’t know if you knew this but you can use low video settings to see through walls/doors in csgo through tiny pixels. It’s not often you find these little pixel spots but if you get the right angle it’s possible.
Nice explanations!
I liked how you showed the downsides of the antialiasing settings as well as showing how they work.
One thing though: I'm not a sadist. I just want as many pixels per second on my 4k screen as my crappy r9 270x can possibly calculate. Eventually you get used to all those rough edges.
On a side note: I've seen some weird behaviour on the doors and windows in Dishonored 2. Almost as though they were rendered at 240p and then blurred like crazy...
"The sadists among you may prefer the raw, pixelated style of no AA at all. Weirdos."
*laughs in 2nd gen core i5 iGPU*
laughs in intel uhd 630 integrated graphics gpu
*FXAA is good and adds chiken*
4:28 *glances at SovietWomble*
TAA is my personal favorite. Very fast and looks acceptable.
This is by far the best video you've ever made. Cheers mate
How do you make your videos so interesting
Mr Duck They are normal videos.
That's what should be standard but for some reason about 99% of all UA-cam channels fail at it.
Uhh I also have 8x CSAA, 16x CSAA, 16Q CSAA. Are they worth using?
I know this is an old comment, but I'm pretty sure those are all newer slightly better versions of msaa. So if you want msaa thats a bit better with a bit more performance cost, use them.
I think you might find this interesting. I play on an old CRT monitor and when I play at higer resolutions (2048x1536 and higher) the pixels actually overlap slightly, this makes jagged edges softer. It's pretty cool to see.
ayy new video finally. havent seen u uploading for years now
o hes been uploading every week....
All my life I thought FXAA was supposed to stand for "Effects Anti Aliasing", meaning that it literally slaps on some blurry instagram filter onto the image.
In the FPS/Quality video you've uploaded a few years ago, you've came to a conclussion that FXAA dips your fps by like 10%, and recommended turning it off. Now you recommend turning it on, whyyyyyy
kyube "few years ago"
I hope you realise how many updates CSGO has had since then that have affected performance for the better
when i read this post i could hear m0e screaming "whyyyyy"
Thank you for taking your time to reply on this one, cheers!
First a few years ago. Second he has got gtx 1080 and ryzen 1800x ?!?!?
That FXAA and MSAA comparision reminds me a lot of how some open world games tends to render objects at certain distances.
This video helped me more than i thought it would! thanks man, awesome.
i always feel like the game gets blurry af when i turn aa on.
Boris the Blade in my it's start looking great
Well you’re clearly using FXAA.... but anything other than that shouldn’t be causing any troubles.
i totally agree with you mate. i prefer seeing what is in front of me as it is and not having anything try to make it look nicer since it only blurs it
Suck a Bean - Y’all got issues lol
Suck a Bean I love not using AA. I feel as if you see whats on your screen more clearly, more crisply.
800x600 no AA here :)
PEKSYK raiz!
Przystojny Autysta lmao how?
what a MADLAD
Przystojny Autysta are you really that fucking stupid
you my friend are the best when it comes to kind of stuff ,it's interesting to learn about some things, I just imagine you spent allot of time searching exploring and the last video editting.. keep doing this I like when you say .valve please fix .I hoped you make another video about valve and haven in general .peace
Thanks for the great video, it helped tons with my performance issues. Subbed for more great content of course.
I use 1440p and I find FXAA and MSAA unnecessary in CSGO, the higher your resolution becomes the less important antialiasing becomes, and the more taxing it becomes on your GPU. Although 2x MSAA doesn't decrease my FPS too significantly, I can still feel the difference in input latency compared to having it off
What exactly did u feel it did to ur latency and when?
of course you want antialiasing enabled, who in the world wants to hear ali-a sing?
kinda happy to see the classic arma being used for a bit.
The moment you said "but the moment we switch to low resolution", UA-cam turned my video quality down to 240p.
It's alive.
4xMSAA
SEE IT IN 720p for see better The video details!
that was a brilliant job making your own map to showcase anti-aliasing. well done
good video! i did not know how antialiasing worked
Lets just all agree graphics dont really matter
420 subs with no videos challenge Depends.
If you got a 144 Hertz monitor you need 144 frames otherwise everything feels slow and clumpy.
Compared to other games, there really isn't much of a difference between lowest and highest settings in CSGO
Cuzeg Spiked Yea, like in Battlefield 1 High and Ultra look very similar, while Ultra runs quite a bit worse.
yeah graphics dont matter i get tons of headshots playing on a resoultuion of 1x1 a pixel can show more detail then a bunch
420 subs with no videos challenge they matter to a point imo
4x msaa is best atm . fxaa should never exist , if i want fxaa i can take my glasses off and get free super fxaa :D
This is a nice video. I would like to see more of these :)
My benchmarks about 4~ months back also found the anomaly with 2xMSAA, however, I believe it related to a longer frame buffer as (anecdotally) I found more noticeable input lag with MSAA enabled.
>disables fxaa
>saves settings
>waits 30 seconds
>*WINDOW MODE ENGAGED*
>argggghhhh
>changes to fullscreen
>waits...
>changes to fullscreen window
*every time*
Alt+enter is your friend!
you should do more stuff on rainbow six siege i love that game!
you explained this so much better than others
i tested some stuff with shader detail and effect detail and if you set them both to high you can see way better through mollys
These damn pixels with their problems. 😧😡
Aironas Koliasnikovas
Why you have me as profile pic?
In my case csgo performes kind of weird: most of the time i m in the max fps cap (250 - 300). But then on some maps in some places it drops to something around 140 which feels really bad. I m at 1440p with i7 and gtx 1070 @ 2ghz. I think it shouldnt drop like that? Someone got n idea? Thx for the help! :)
Ah sorry, playing on highest settings (besides effects on low) with 2x msaa
HaasTheFirst What i7 do you have?
Blank Blank 4790k, but on 4.6 ghz, 920 cinebench score.
maybe try cl_forcepreload 1 if you havent already
Anti aliasing (especially driver AA) behaves really weirdly for me too on an nvidia card in csgo. My old hd 7750 didn't have any of these issues, oddly. Current card is a 750.
Yes Philip, I too am obsessed with anti-aliasing.
thank you for this video. after the panorama ui update for the mac version i've been terrible frame rate on dust 2 and assault in certain places ( like around 12 fps at t spawn) but it was only in online matches. my ping was fine and i turned down my shaders but it was not helping, until i saw this. i turn 4x and FXAA on and i got my framerate back! now i can suck less in dust 2 again lol.
But what if you play on a Macbook Air? You have you use no antialiasing to survive
Buy windows?
Why did you buy a Macbook??? That thing is a trashcan for 2k€
Solution: get a PC
Macs aren't for gaming.
RainBowFlash a copy of windows wont upgrade his hardware.
No AA = best AA
holy banana's after all these years i finally learned what MSAA and FXAA do! thanks 3klicksphilip!
More 3kliks soundtrack please! I come for the CSGO and stay for the tunes. For the uninitiated the tracks are on Soundcloud.
Plz do a update on the hit boxes there still terrible. Also random fps drops with amd hardware
the hitboxes are fine and the game runs fine on my fx 8350
alex alcala ortiz - Same. Alongside my RX480
the new AMD drivers have a fault in it that causes the game to stutter a bit, quick fix is just to downgrade to the previous version
just dont use shitty win 10 and ure fine my friend
pilot554 - Nothing is wrong with Win10. It’s literally a direct upgrade to Win7. Just admit you don’t like change.
I will never do anything with this information but I still love watching these videos
The operation flashpoint music got me nostalgic again
0:55 "jaggy yagi antenna" - I see what you did there ;-)