Super Mario Universe Timeline - Chapter 1

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  • Опубліковано 14 лис 2024

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  • @LeafRazorStorm
    @LeafRazorStorm 28 днів тому +3

    I can't believe it. Mario's age was supposedly one of Nintendo's biggest secrets, and it was nailed down so swiftly by two pieces of E. Gadd lore alone.

    • @prizm9515
      @prizm9515  26 днів тому

      Haha, yes. While I hate to disagree with the literal grandfather of video games I don't think Mario is forever 25.

  • @lancethornton
    @lancethornton 2 місяці тому +11

    You've got to be the only person who has ever put math behind some of these games. Sometimes it seems like everything has already been done before, but you just proved that wrong. Good job!

    • @prizm9515
      @prizm9515  2 місяці тому +4

      Haha, thanks. I would much rather make original content than spam pointless uploads for views.

  • @torri776
    @torri776 2 місяці тому +6

    The Mario Universe is the gift that keeps on giving, with how many spinoffs stem from this wondrous franchise and how they fit into the timeline. Rare's additions, along with Wario are especially cool in that regard.

  • @wonderland9601
    @wonderland9601 7 днів тому +1

    Nice video to listen while playing pizza tower

  • @CommanderButter
    @CommanderButter Місяць тому +2

    I'm binge watching this series while cleaning my room at 3am, needed something to keep me awake. Overall, 10/10 job! Love these videos!

    • @prizm9515
      @prizm9515  Місяць тому

      @@CommanderButter Thank you! That means a lot. I'm glad it didn't just put you to sleep instead. Haha

  • @TheCow-j1l
    @TheCow-j1l 2 місяці тому +3

    this is insane, i love it

    • @prizm9515
      @prizm9515  2 місяці тому +2

      Thank you for appreciating my insanity. :)

  • @treymon3135
    @treymon3135 Місяць тому +2

    I have no idea where this is going to go, but I'm incredibly excited.

    • @prizm9515
      @prizm9515  Місяць тому +1

      I'm glad my videos are exciting for you!

  • @chipklip2
    @chipklip2 2 місяці тому +2

    This is such a weird concept but I actually love it. Mario seems like the last series to have a "timeline" of any sort. Yeah some of the games have stories (Like different games being plays or broadcasts) but there's just so much stuff that this timeline is gonna be monstrous.

    • @prizm9515
      @prizm9515  2 місяці тому +2

      Yes, it's been a fun puzzle to solve. I originally planned it to just be one video, but then I thought people weren't going to want to listen to me talk for five hours straight lol

    • @chipklip2
      @chipklip2 2 місяці тому

      @@prizm9515 I'm just waiting for the Mario Basketball stuff. Shouldn't be too far from modern day though I guess

    • @prizm9515
      @prizm9515  2 місяці тому +3

      @@chipklip2 NBA Street V3 and Mario Hoops 3-on-3 will be covered in Chapter 7, and Mario Sports Mix will be covered in Chapter 8. So your eyeballs will have to wait to bask in the glory of Mario basketball.

  • @enigami3561
    @enigami3561 Місяць тому +1

    this is such a good video! learned about Mario universe history/lore and actual world history lol

    • @prizm9515
      @prizm9515  Місяць тому

      Thank you! Be warned however, The Mario's Time Machine games are infamous for having misinformation. The Mario Wiki has an article dedicated to all of it's historically inaccurate information. So in universe all of the information is accurate but it's definitely not a one for one for real-world history.

  • @aMkinfinity
    @aMkinfinity Місяць тому +1

    Is the paper mario universe included? Or is there an issue with it because technically Mario and Paper Mario are separate characters as demonstrated in M&L Paper Jam?
    I keep thinking about all the events of the Ancients and Pixls in Super Paper Mario that state they’ve been waiting for the hero for ~1500 years. Awesome video!

    • @prizm9515
      @prizm9515  Місяць тому

      Thank you! Yes all of the Paper Mario games take place in a parallel universe as established in Mario and Luigi Paper Jam. I decided to cover the entire Paper Parallel Universe in chapter 9 after talking about Mario and Luigi Paper Jam purely due to its relevance. I also cover the pixel uprising, Blumier's backstory, the four heros sealing away the Shadow Queen and more.

  • @axelderb
    @axelderb 2 місяці тому +1

    Nice, I've been looking for videos like these to be made. Great job!

    • @prizm9515
      @prizm9515  2 місяці тому +2

      It brings me a lot of joy to know that I've made something special that makes other people happy. Thank you.

  • @speedboom9392
    @speedboom9392 7 днів тому

    Ya know, I never actually saw Rosalina as someone from old history. I thought Galaxy’s ending where she talks about cycles was implying that she was simply from a different cycle of the universe and she goes home every hundred years to see how the planet changes due to that cycle. That’s what I thought Galaxy’s ending was. The cycle resetting prematurely due to Bowser’s accidental black hole and the Luma’s big bang. And also why it showed so many of the characters you met across the different planets now on the same planet. Because that’s where they were now in the new cycle. But honestly your interpretation is probably closer to what they had in mind while writing. Kinda ruins my headcanon about Rosalina though. (I’m sure you know the one)😂

  • @gamerswhogame
    @gamerswhogame 2 місяці тому +1

    I need an HD remake of this

    • @prizm9515
      @prizm9515  2 місяці тому +2

      Well, most of my video was 1080p or less, so I'm not sure it would make a difference, but thank you. :)

  • @mariobroultimate1808
    @mariobroultimate1808 Місяць тому

    Just because a game came out in a specific year doesn't mean it actually takes place in that year.

    • @prizm9515
      @prizm9515  Місяць тому

      True but I felt it was reasonable to assume for several of the games. It also helped me to place a game in the timeline relative to everything else if the only information given about its placement in the timeline is that it took X amount of time before or after another game. For example Donkey Kong 64 takes place a few years after Donkey Kong Country 2 as stated in the instruction manual. Without the assumption that most games take place on their release date, it would be difficult to determine what exactly takes place between the two games outside of the Donkey Kong series. That was my experience at least when trying to put this all together.

  • @firecreeper928
    @firecreeper928 2 місяці тому +3

    Cool youtuber

  • @thatregiskid
    @thatregiskid 2 місяці тому +1

    in what way is banjo part of the mario canon

    • @prizm9515
      @prizm9515  2 місяці тому +1

      I touched on it a little bit in chapter 0, but essentially it's due to his appearance in Diddy Kong Racing (N64).

  • @mariobroultimate1808
    @mariobroultimate1808 Місяць тому

    It feels weird to see the Rabbids involved in this. Isn't Mario + Rabbids its own universe?

    • @prizm9515
      @prizm9515  Місяць тому

      I believe there is supplemental canon that states that it takes place in its own continuity, but I chose not to include any supplemental canon because it became too contradictory to include. I felt that I had to make very subjective decisions as to what was canon and what was non canon. For that reason I decided to exclude all of it. But that's my take on things.

  • @targettoad691
    @targettoad691 Місяць тому

    How is Mario born in the 40s? I thought he would have been born in the 60s since he was said to be 25 years old in Super Mario Brothers, which takes place in 1985. That would mean that Mario, Peach, & Bowser are in their 40s in the original game. Also, Mario being born in the 60s would line up better with him "retiring" from plumbing in Mario Odyssey at the age of 57 as opposed to the age of 77.

    • @prizm9515
      @prizm9515  Місяць тому

      @@targettoad691 The idea that Mario is 25 years old comes from what I would consider supplemental canon. For the purpose of this timeline I only used information found in the games and their instruction manuals. It became too subjective when trying to decide whether or not something should be considered canon. The beginning of chapter 2 explains why the Yoshi games take place in the early 40s, when is when Mario and Luigi were born.

  • @Eris1987
    @Eris1987 2 місяці тому +1

    Not sure but I think one of my comments is held for review on this video, if not let me know blep.
    Edit, NVM it appears to have simply not gone through...
    So Imma add it here.
    Another pretty good video though there are several mistakes I would like to address and comments I have about it.
    Doubtful if Mario's Time Machine should be canon, if I am correct Nintendo while they licensed it had little of their own working on it or overseeing it. Especially since Mario states he's from Brookyln and while the Canon of Mario Tales has him from Big City/New Donk City.
    Especially since E. Gadd's Time Machine seems to be a major breakthrough in the game it shows up in, while Bowser having one would undermine that.
    Bowser and Mario probably didn't use a time machine but rather tech made by E. Gadd, magic developed from the Cobalt Star, or the time portals.
    E. Gadd doesn't use his time machine but rather the tech he made his original Time Machine with as we see he doesn't use it in Luigi's Mansion, and we know it was sent back in time with a past Toadsworth.
    For Rabbids see my comment on your chapter 0 video for why it shouldn't be considered canon.
    You forgot Dr. Crygor accidentally discovering time travel.
    Yes, in Partner's in Time it is shown E. Gadd's memories are altered due to the past being changed and a separate timeline isn't created.
    Also, in M&LPIT Kamek only remembers kidnapping the Baby Bros. once while we know he's done it a few more than that. Yoshi's Island DS also only recalls the events of the first game.
    So more than likely due to time travel shenanigans in Yoshi's New Island the Timeline was changed.
    Note, I think the Mushroom World might be a distant future version of Earth itself.
    Rosalina is a Princess as evident by her crown she wears in the storybook, as a Baby, and the Star Magic she wields.
    She could be a princess from any of the royal families throughout the world though it's suggested she's from the grasslands.
    Due to her being related to Peach was scrapped in development, she is probably a descendant of the Grasslands King under Peach's rule.
    Note, the Mushroom World is at times used as interchangeable with Mushroom Kingdom like in PM64.
    See my remark about Punch Out on your Chapter 0 video for the Punch Out timeline.
    Wouldn't that make Mario like around 40 years old when he's supposed to be around 24 years?
    Wario isn't stated to have been in Yoshi's Island DS, but rather he was taken from his home like all the other babies were.
    Bowser's name is Bowser/Koopa while in Japan it's just Kuppa, which is separate from the name of the Koopas aka the NokoNokos.
    The Koopalings like Morton Koopa are no Bowser's kids. But I'll explain why here.
    In a Gameinfomer titled Mario's Creators Answer Burning Questions About The Series interview when asked _"In Super Mario Bros. 3, the Koopalings were supposed to be Bowser's children. But there's also Bowser Jr. Are they all his kids, and are they all from different mothers? Is Bowser Jr. a Koopaling?"_
    Miyamoto responded with the following _"Our current story is that the seven Koopalings are not Bowser's children. Bowser's only child is Bowser Jr., and we do not know who the mother is."_
    While many people have come to the conclusion that they are still his kids and they are just adopted, this isn't accurate. First off the intent is that they aren't his kids anymore, and you are still someone's kid if you are adopted.
    The next part is the simple fact that they are never called his kids in any newer media. On the official website for NSMBD they are only referred to as _"leaders of Bowser's Troops."_
    The NSMBW website says _"The dastardly Koopalings and Bowser Jr. are doing Bowser's dirty work."_
    MKT Image of a newspaper calls them friends.
    Not a single source post Bowser Jr.'s introduction calls them siblings of Bowser Junior.
    The Encyclopedia outside of lifted text from old manuals which the Encyclopedia even notes, the Koopalings are never called his kids.
    You also have how they refer to Junior and Bowser.
    BJJ Roy: _"That punk will eventually be our boss!"_
    BJJ Ludwig _"All right, Lord Junior... We'll be facing off against Shy Guys in this next battle."_
    BJJ Wendy _"Well, he is Bowser's kid. There were bound to be some speed bumps."_
    BJJ Wendy _"They say that heliocopter parenting doesn't work anyway. Just let 'em run wild!"_
    PMCS Ludwig _"I guess I'll just have to hope Lord Bowser Can defeat you.."_
    Bowser even beats up Iggy for making fun of his son.
    The Website, Minion Quest, and Bowser Junior's Journey all say Bowser Jr. is Bowser's only son.
    Also, due to a line from Roy the Koopalings are probably all adults.
    We might see a portrait of Bowser's Father in a game.
    You could have done a compilation of things with no exact placement but we know happened in the past. Like the creation of the SMO paintings which the brochure talks about. Alongside the whole implied Hammer Bros. and Koopa Civilization, the stuff going on with the Kingdom of Bask, and the extinction of Yoshis in the Grasslands, Dry Dry Desert, and Isle Delfino.

    • @rollingpearl7331
      @rollingpearl7331 2 місяці тому

      mucho texto

    • @prizm9515
      @prizm9515  2 місяці тому +1

      Q: Doubtful if Mario's Time Machine should be canon, if I am correct Nintendo while they licensed it had little of their own working on it or overseeing it. Especially since Mario states he's from Brookyln and while the Canon of Mario Tales has him from Big City/New Donk City.
      A: My goal with this timeline was to include every game that was released on Nintendo consoles, or that was produced by Nintendo. I felt that that was the best way to be consistent. If we are considering games non-cannon if they were not produced by Nintendo than that means that games such as donkey kong country (made by rare) and super mario rpg (made by square) shouldn’t be considered cannon. If I wanted to be consistent and also include those games than I felt that I should also include the mario’s time machine and mario is missing. For more information on Mario being from Brooklyn, please refer to chapter 2. I’m not sure what canon of mario tales is, but I don’t believe any of the games state that he grew up in new donk city.
      Q: Especially since E. Gadd's Time Machine seems to be a major breakthrough in the game it shows up in, while Bowser having one would undermine that.
      A: Bowser travels back in time on three different instances (excluding the accidental time travel in mario and luigi partners in time). Mario’s Time Machine, Yoshi’s Island DS, and Yoshi’s New Island. In my opinion, Bowser having a time machine in mario’s time machine is not reason to consider it non-canon.
      Q: Bowser and Mario probably didn't use a time machine but rather tech made by E. Gadd, magic developed from the Cobalt Star, or the time portals.
      A: Not sure what you mean by “tech”. There’s no way to know for certain how they traveled back in time. Either way Bowser does have access to Time travel at various points in the timeline.

    • @prizm9515
      @prizm9515  2 місяці тому +1

      Q: E. Gadd doesn't use his time machine but rather the tech he made his original Time Machine with as we see he doesn't use it in Luigi's Mansion, and we know it was sent back in time with a past Toadsworth.
      A: Yes, we don’t see the same time traveling device in Luigi’s Mansion 3DS as we do in Partners in time so he probably didn’t use the same one.
      Q: You forgot Dr. Crygor accidentally discovering time travel.
      A: Yes, Wario Ware Move it came out after I finished writing this script. I chose not to include it because it doesn’t state exactly when they traveled back in time to. So I woulndt have known where to put it.
      Q: Yes, in Partner's in Time it is shown E. Gadd's memories are altered due to the past being changed and a separate timeline isn't created.
      A: Yeah, as I said time travel is a fictional concept so some works of fiction like to state that the past can be altered but that doesn’t make sense to me personally. I think JK Rowling had time travel right, but that’s just my opinion.

    • @prizm9515
      @prizm9515  2 місяці тому +1

      Q: Also, in M&LPIT Kamek only remembers kidnapping the Baby Bros. once while we know he's done it a few more than that. Yoshi's Island DS also only recalls the events of the first game.
      A: I’m not sure if he specified that was only once and not just at least once.
      Q: So more than likely due to time travel shenanigans in Yoshi's New Island the Timeline was changed.
      A: Not sure if I personally like the idea of altering the past. I think the timeline makes sense if it’s considered that it was never changed due to time travel, but that’s more of a personal preference to how I think time travel should work. And my personal preference isn’t law.
      Q: Note, I think the Mushroom World might be a distant future version of Earth itself.
      A: Another important assumption about the structure of this timeline is that each universe only contains a singular version of earth. If that were not the case then the Kirby series could also take place in the distant future (due to the mario cameo in Kirby superstar) which I don’t think it does. So I disagree on that point but only for a personal ideology of what the structure of most universes look like which is silly considering the potential infinite number of universes.
      Q: Rosalina is a Princess as evident by her crown she wears in the storybook, as a Baby, and the Star Magic she wields.
      She could be a princess from any of the royal families throughout the world though it's suggested she's from the grasslands.
      A: That is a possibility yes.

    • @prizm9515
      @prizm9515  2 місяці тому +1

      Due to her being related to Peach was scrapped in development, she is probably a descendant of the Grasslands King under Peach's rule.
      A: Rosalina is much older than Peach. Peach is born shortly before Yoshi’s Island DS which I calculated to take place in early 1941 (refer to chapter 2). Rosalina is hundred of years older than Peach due to her visiting the mushroom world every 100 years. I calculated her to be born around 1698.
      Q: Note, the Mushroom World is at times used as interchangeable with Mushroom Kingdom like in PM64.
      A: I’m not sure what you are referring to. Sorry.
      Q: See my remark about Punch Out on your Chapter 0 video for the Punch Out timeline.
      A: Yes, I don’t know where the idea of two continuities comes from, but I think the series makes complete sense as one continuity.

  • @rollingpearl7331
    @rollingpearl7331 2 місяці тому +1

    Why are you counting the rabbids... Didn't they go into like a mario poster or something. Mario is probably fictional to the rabbids and the world in the crossover was created by the fusing machine

    • @prizm9515
      @prizm9515  2 місяці тому +3

      My interpretation of the first cut scene of Mario plus Rabbids Kingdom Battle is that the time washing machine sent the rabbids to the Mushroom Kingdom. Since the game takes place in the Mushroom Kingdom, I believe it to be more reasonable to assume that it sent them there, than it is to assume it has the power to create an entire new universe. It's never stated anywhere in the game that the timewashing machine sent them to a different universe. But that's just my interpretation of things.

    • @Eris1987
      @Eris1987 2 місяці тому +1

      I have an answer to it's canonicity.
      In the GamesHub interview titled How Mario + Rabbids: Sparks of Hope forges its own destiny, it is established that Mario + Rabbids is a separate canon.
      _"While the game is also inspired by elements of Super Mario Galaxy, Soliani made clear that Sparks of Hope is all about exploring the unique Mario + Rabbids universe in depth - a realm filled with colour, beauty, and intrigue, but one that is separate from the main ‘canon’ of Mario tales."_
      Also, side note they continuities wouldn't merge because if I am correct all the Lumas are now hybrids in the Rabbidsverse and there is a lack of well Rabbids in all the other games.
      Btw prizm is choosing not to include things like dev interviews.