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Fun fact: the actress who played Ellie’s mom is the voice actress for Ellie in the game, and James (David’s closest follower, who went with David hunting) is the voice actor of Joel in the game 😁😁🧡🧡🧡. Love your content, keep doing what you’re doing 🧡🧡🧡.
the giraffe is indeed real. hes one of the resident giraffes at the calgary zoo where the scene was filmed. they made a special blue screen sound stage at the zoo so the actors could actually feed him and then the effects were added after to make it look like a city.
27:36 this is quite possibly one of my favorite lines of the whole series. Joel’s “It’s okay- I believe him” & then k*lling him…. I absolutely love savage, no stopping, Joel. Dude did all this with a still healing stab wound. Don’t. Mess. With a father’s love. Period.
I played the game as a 17 year old boy when I was in high school and fell in love. I’ve been a life long fan. This was a moment I dearly hoped they put in the show once I found out one was being mad. It shows just how savage and brutal he really is. Probably one of my fav lines as well!
YESSS!! exactly!! every time i rewatch game playthroughs too this scene is so fuckin epic. my personal favorite in the game is when he stabs the guy's knee and hits his chin up and goes "focus, right here. right here." gets me EVERY TIME. the sheer power of joel is so epic
Watch the game ending. They got it beat by beat. That “okay” at the end was what everyone was hoping they’d get right. It was so good. Bella Ramsey got it down.
James in Episode 8 is the voice actor of Joel in the game Ellie’s mom in the flashback of Episode 9 is the voice actor for Ellie in the game. Awesome cameos ❤
An add on to this, Marlene, in the show, is the woman who voiced Marlene in the game, she got to reprise her own role. Also Kathleens main henchman guy is the voice actor for Tommy in the game
The actress who played Ellie's mom also did the motion capture for Ellie. There's clip from it in the recent documentary. Don't watch unless you've played part 2.
@@JRush374 I understand what your saying but the women that played Ellies mum in the show IS Ellie from the games. Not just the motion capture. She uses Ellies voice from the game in the show. Troy who plays Joel in the game, just uses his normal voice not his joel voice
Remember when Joel answered Ellie about why they couldn’t make a fire from E4, he said people and they’ll have way more in mind than robbing them? Enter David. I also love how Ellie not only gets to save Joel but she saves herself too. Lastly Joel feels he keeps failing throughout the series, but in the finale he thrives in the hospital. He isn’t slow, hard of hearing, or hesitant/no panic attacks. He could not afford to fail “her”. I’m so glad they adapted this show and working in Season 2 now
Ellie and Reilly were bitten by a Stalker. There are four (possibly five?) stages of infected. First stage are called Runners (these are the newly infected, running around, biting people) Second stage are called Stalkers. They show the first signs of cordycepts beginning to show thru the skin and head. These people have been infected for a few weeks to a few years. Third stage are Clickers, with the mushroom heads. Fourth stage are Bloaters (Big Boi from KC) Is there a fifth, or alternate stage? TBD
@@Raccocooney If you didn't catch what was meant by @frankiefadda let me be clear... You should delete the last term or the whole comment since it's a spoiler.
I didn't play the game but I figured the final stage was when the cordyceps exploded out of the host, like that guy Joel and Tess saw in the basement in episode 1
Joel is not a good guy and I love that. This was conveyed well both in the game and the show. Making him a morally grey character, who protects his people in the most savage ways, was an interesting path for the character and honestly I wouldn't want it any other way. A very complex character and one of my favourites.
Same. I enjoyed Joel as a character and the rules by which the show and game setup. The consequences for actions that came later was understandable, also. It's those that fell in love with the character's selfish, murderous actions earlier on, I never understood. Accepting Joel and his ways is accepting that other's can mete out the same retribution in return.
@@jynxceI get it, but they tried REALLY hard to make me like the character that killed him, and then they forced me to play as her, and beat Ellie up using the antagonist that killed the most beloved character???? And then in the end, Ellie doesn't complete her revenge, making the whole journey pointless, including the murdering of a pregnant lady, meanwhile the antagonist manages to escape... None of the characters in the whole sequel were enjoyable, except maybe Ellie's girlfriend and ofc, Joel, Tommy and Ellie herself, I couldn't enjoy the second game at all tbh.
@@taylormoreira1266 It was not pointless. By the end Ellie has forgiven Joel and the conflict at the end of Part 1 is resolved. Ellie was a broken mess throughout Part 2, but at the end she finally manages to move on. Revenge would not have made this any easier for her just like revenge didn't help Abby move on.
The genius of the writing is that even though he does horrible things, for the most part the audience will side with him because you completely understand his motivation
In the game, Ellie and Riley were attacked by a horde of infected, where here they're only attacked by one. I prefer just one because it shows just how dangerous a single Infected can be.
i wouldn't say "horde". I'd say pack. There couldn't have been more than 10. We only ever see and experience ONE horde (in tlou2), two at most (end of seattle day 1) maybe.
ellie's mom in the show is the mocap and voice actor for ellie in the games! marliene's actor is the same one for the games, james (david's "sidekick") is the mocap/voice actor for joel in the games, and kathleen's sidekick (the one who got his head ripped off by the bloater) is tommy's actor in the games!
The cast and crew are working on season two set to premiere next year. Once they’re done filming, Pedro Pascal is also gonna work on the MCU’s version of Fantastic Four. He’s gonna portray the team’s leader Reed Richards better known as Mister Fantastic.
As many already mentioned, Ashley Johnson (Ellie's mom), voiced Ellie in the game. But also, Troy Baker (James, "maybe that's god's will") voiced Joel in the game. Jeffrey Pierce (Perry, Kathleen's second in command) voiced Tommy. Merle Dandridge (Marlene) voiced Marlene. And finally, one of the reasons why this was adapted so well, Niel Druckmann (creative director for TLoU game) was brought on as a creative director for the show. He helped capture what made the game so special, and every change he made was to improve the story.
The character James was played Troy Baker who was the actor for Joel in the video game where as Ashley Johnson who played as Ellie's mom was the actor for Ellie in the game and Yes that Giraffe was a real one.
i’ve watched the show a few times now and it just clicked to me when he says “we’ll bury the dad later”, he means they’re just gonna eat him (even tho i already knew they were cannibals idk why that specific person dying didn’t click to me)😭 every other time i watched i thought the same question of “wtf do u mean? isn’t he gonna decompose” and this time when the question passed in my head i immediately wait “OH- wait…right…” 😂
As others have mentioned Ellies mom was Ellie in the games. Absolutely loved the thought of the original Ellie giving birth to TV Ellie. Had to chuckle a little too at the comment of them being related in real life... as TV Ellie is British (and Lady Mormont from GoT)... just reinforces the great casting and acting by Bella Ramsey.
Tommy's wife - "Be careful who you put your faith in. The only people who can betray us, are the ones we trust." The foreshadowing is wild. I believe Ellie thinks something is up, but Joel hasn't lied to her yet about things, so him saying, "I swear" .. She takes it at face value.
I think that line is the biggest underappreciated theme of the show. Marlene did the wrong thing because she didn't trust Ellie enough to let her make the decision for herself. But it's not a betrayal of trust because she and Ellie don't have that kind of relationship. (Probably a betrayal of Ellie's mom's trust, though.) But Joel DOES betray Ellie's trust, because he does know that Ellie would make that decision, and he doesn't want her to be able to make it. So he lies to her about what happened and what her options are, even when she makes extremely clear how important it is to her. He lies with perfect sincerity right to her face. And even though I think Ellie doesn't truly believe him, she has to make herself accept that answer because she's a child and she loves him and she NEEDS to believe it. All the arguments about "is Joel justified" or "would the cure work" don't change the fact that the show has been setting up the fact that Joel was ALWAYS going to make these decisions, because he can't lose another daughter, but that by doing so he violates the trust Ellie has placed in him. That's what the show and the game END on. That long shot of Ellie looking uncertain and finally just saying "...okay." It ends on the fact that Joel lies to her.
They did a poll for how people felt about what Joel did in the end Near 50/50 split for people who thought it was right/wrong. But it was 100% for parents, and as one myself I can say that once you know that kind of love, you would burn down the entire world to keep your child safe.
What he did was absolutely wrong. At the same time, I know I'd make the exact same decision if it were me. That's really the genius of the writing: when you understand the weight and consequences of what he's doing, but you understand him. The real tragedy is how there had to be a choice to begin with.
@@UltraSuperDuperFreak Who would it cured exacly now ? Cannibals ? Raiders ? Slavers ? There is no point in cure, the whole planets is DONE humanity cannot be saved like hey lets get everybody together and civilize again.
Thank God I lived long enough to see one of my favorite video games be adapted into something that was not just good but spectacular. Took long enough..
I loved everything about the hospital massacre montage. I loved the editing, with the inserts of the bullet casings, and Joel's shoes. I loved that the sound is muffled, and we mainly just hear this music. And everytime the sound of the violence breaks through (like that one guy's scream when Joel stabs him), it is effective. It is from Joel's perspective. He's almost disassociated cuz he is of a one-track mind. Nothing matters to him, these people don't matter to him. Only Ellie and her life matters to him. Everyone else is just an obstacle, folks who are in his path. He has no emotions or rage or anything against these people. It's not personal. They are simply in his way. Also glad that they didn't have him kill the nurses. He killed everyone who was a threat or in his way. The nurses were neither. Plus, the game REQUIRES the player to kill the surgeon and the nurses are optional.
@@erinhaury5773 ehhh no. The hospital sequence in the game has intense, sort of droning, abstract percussive music which was in line with the rest of the combat music in the game. The final leg of the hospital sequence has no combat and you just run with Ellie in your arms. THAT bit has violin, orchestral music. And a different take on that is what is played throughout this scene here.
So many people saying they should have given Ellie the choice, but when the faith of humanity is in the hands of a teenager in a world where kill or be killed is real, I don't think you should leave it up to the kid. You do what you have to do at that point.
Im Team Joel all way here, but in this isolated example (disregard the DLC in the game and hidden files, etc), one 14-year old is not ANY cost. A deep cost indeed given the value of human life and asking a former father, now restored, to allow his daughter to save a deeply flawed humanity, but it isnt any cost. And it’s a moral argument timeless to this day depending on the vein of morality (utilitarian, value-based, etc)
Joel is ultimate bad ass. Exactly Marlene shoulda asked ellie and Joel. Maybe Ellie coulda convinced Joel to let it happen but maybe she wouldn’t have wanted to die also.
No one asked Ellie about her consent because they could only accept one answer: Marlene would only accept dying for the cure and Joel would only accept saving her. Both did not want to risk the other answer and thus made the decision for Ellie.
As the 1 hope of saving humanity, there is no way that Marlene would risk getting a "no" from Ellie. Having Marlene ask Ellie would have been completely unbelievable.
Bodily autonomy! The key word is bodily autonomy! If they had asked Ellie for her permission and told her the truth, it would have been a different story. Marlene did the wrong thing for the right reason (to save humanity), and Joel did the right thing by saving her from having her bodily autonomy violated, but did it for selfish reasons. He simply couldn't lose another daughter. I don't think she was fooled for a minute by Joel's lie. She simply said "O.K" at the end as a way of saying "o k, i know you're lying, but we'll go on from here anyway." She's not stupid. She was giving him one more chance to come clean with her before their relationship is ruined by dishonesty.
Ellie is - after the encounter and assault in E08 - a traumatized minor with depression and PTSD. She would sacrifice herself for all the wrong reasons, basically committing suicide. She is not capable (legally nor factually) of making such a decision.
@@jolanas.5426 she is the only one who can make the decision. This is not our world. This is a post apocalyptic world. What's "legal" doesn't factor into it. Every one has been traumatized. Who else should make the decision, Joel? He's a severely traumatized person with his own reasons to be biased in making the decision. Although Ellie is young, and in this world would be a minor and incapable of making the decision, she is living in a different world. She has had to grow up quickly in many ways. There is no one else in the world who could make the decision. The decision is hers.
@@jolanas.5426 she is the only person who could make the decision. This is not our world. This is an apocalyptic world. What's "legal" doesn't factor into it. Every one has been traumatized. Who should make the decision, Joel? He's a very traumatized person with his own reasons to be biased. There is no one in this world who could or should make the decision regarding Ellie's bodily autonomy other than Ellie herself.
@@cullenarthur8879 So you'll let a traumatized minor commit suicide, great. You would make a great parent. Ellie should not have been asked to make that decision at all. Not until she's reasonably well, mentally able to decide and all the consequences are explained to her, with the chances of success and qualifications of those operating on her. So she can give fully informed consent while having mental capacity to do so or to back out of it. Anything else is bad and immoral, apocalypse or not. So I'm not mad at Joel (who had his own, different reasons for his actions) for stopping the Fireflies. Marlene and co. didn't give Ellie such information and I'm pretty sure they would operate on Ellie and kill her even against her will.
Ashley Johnson (Ellie's mom) played Ellie in the hame, Troy Baker (James) pkayed Joel in the game, Kathleen's henchman played Tommy in the game. Such amazing cameos
One of the nurses in the operating room is Laura Bailey who plays a certain character in the second game that you wont forget about in upcoming second and third season of the show.
Episode 7 is the DLC version of the game, it told the story between when Ellie and Rilly were in the mall and got bite but also telling the side story of how she tried to find supplies for Joel in an abandoned mall as well. 🔥🔥
Should mention that Ellie was not told about the surgery at all, and they just started prepping her as far as I'm aware. So going off of the argument that its Ellie's choice; which it is, Joel is 100000% in the right. Granted Ellie would have agreed to go along with the surgery, but they never asked her. So by not doing so, and resisting Joel's attempt to stop the surgery and dying, therefore not actually allowing her to give her opinion even after waking up, that's entirely on them. BONUS Also: There are audio files you can find in the game that imply that they've attempted this on others before and it did not work. BONUS BONUS Also: The surgeon who was going to perform the surgery was ENTIRELY unqualified to do so. The guy had a bachelors in biology. Thats all.
He didn't ask her either. That's why he lies about what happened. If he was 100000% right, he wouldn't have lied. But you're trying to derail the trolley in the trolley problem: that's not the point. The point is that Ellie's sacrifice would have saved the world, but she would have had to die. Ask anyone in that world if it was a worthy sacrifice and they'd likely have said it was, except for Joel. Love isn't logical. He chose his selfish need to save his new daughter over saving mankind or giving her a choice. And we all would have done the same as him.
Love the semantics of asking for permission when the survival of humanity is in question. The reason for ep 2 was to setup a similar scenario where decisions need to be made at the expense of humankind's survival. The doctor was willing to sacrifice herself, family, and surrounding city to protect humankind from this. Maybe they should have sent out a mass email poll to get everyone's consensus. Funny how when it's our favorite selfish, homicidal protagonist, it's okay to forget about sacrificing the few for the good of the many. Also, we never got to see Marlene and her people's journey across the country and the trials & tribulations of father's and mothers that made their own personal sacrifices for the good of humanity. Anyone accepting Joel's decision should not have any reservations about the consequences that decisions have in the future.
There are *not* any audio files in the game that imply they tried with other immune and did not work That is a myth from dunderhead non-science players who misinterpret the Surgeon's Recorder's _As we've seen in all past cases,_ as immune people when the fact is it is talking about tests on *infected* people
loved watching both your reactions to this series. you can tell it was very genuine and heartwarming..thank you both for sharing your experiences and thoughts in regards to the series
Troy Baker (The guy who plays Joel in the games), had a great anecdote about the Giraffe scene. He was talking to a guy who had just played through that scene in the game He said that the very first thing most kids should remember is going to the zoo, and seeing animals Ellie didn't have that. So for this to happen after the episode with David Her and Joel enjoying that moment of awe, like father and daughter Everyone needs a Giraffe moment with their parent, and this was hers.
The music has a tragic undertone during his spree in the hospital almost as if we aren’t meant to be pumped during this action scene… it really highlights the horror Joel is committing taking down the entire hospital and the worlds hope for a cure. He knows she wants this, but his “love” for her prevents him from truly honoring her the way a loved one actually would. He lies so he can keep her to himself, the world be damned.
im doing the same thing joel did. im sorry, but You did not make me travel the whole country nearly dying like 4 times just to kick me out and sacrifice someone I now see as a daughter. Its the fireflies fault the way they handled the situation was terrible. They could of just been honest and asked if elle was willing to do it and she probably would of said yes.
He wouldnt have accepted it regardless. Marlene cornered him and gave him the opportunity to talk or find a path forward. If it really came down to Ellie nearly getting a choice, Joel could have put that option on the table. But he didnt, and thats why I love him more. Nothing matters as much as his daughter, and even if she said yes to the surgery, a strong part of me feels he wouldnt take that decision; he’d kill everyone while she got prepped again and then peddle the story about the raiders attacking the hospital
As a parent of 2 boys, there’s LITERALLY nothing I wouldn’t do for my boys, and I would wanna be 1000% sure there wasn’t a safer option for retrieving the cordyceps from her brain/body BEFORE I ALLOWED SOMEONE TO KILL MY CHILD for a theory that may or may not work. There’s been no time AT ALL to research Ellie and her immunity. Yep, I’m w Joel all the way. As parents, sometimes we have to do what we know is best for our kid, including not telling them the entire truth.
Here's a fun thought experiment: imagine you're not Joel but just you. You live in that world with your 2 boys, and you hear about this girl that is immune. If they sacrifice her to create a vaccine, your children will be safe from infection for the rest of their life. What do you choose then? If you would do anything to protect your children, would you let Ellie die? If yes, Joel's actions are suddenly counter to your own. If no, then you wouldn't do everything to protect your children.
They left Joel no choice. He couldn’t tell them to wake her up and let her choose because at that point they would have been prepared to kill him if she said no. All they had to do was give her a choice, but they crossed that line and the only thing Joel could do was cross another line to retrieve her. Problem is Ellie might not have understood any of that.
@@Olochgu Exactly. It's as if some are just trying to justify their own blood lust for what Joel did. He killed Marlene at the end because he knew exactly what Ellie's decision would be even though she wasn't a threat (outside of possibly informing Ellie of her option). Ellie even foresaw that when she stated that she wanted to see this journey out to its end no matter what. Ep 2's doctor willing to sacrifice herself, family and surrounding city was shown to contrast someone willing to make the ultimate sacrifice for the good of humanity like Ellie to someone like Joel who was only focused on himself. Funny considering Joel was a soldier understanding the good of the many outweigh those of the few.
@@uhwaykin It is indicated in the story, both in the show and in the game. They never directly say it, but it is very clear in the subtext. Especially in the giraffe scene. Ellie needs her immunity to mean something, and if it took her life too, then so be it. I also don't think it would be morally right to ask Ellie to make this sacrifice. She is a 14-year-old girl suffering from severe PTSD and survivors guilt, and the idea of dying to save the world has that teenaged romanticism to it. She is definitely not in the right mental state to properly make such a decision. I like playing devil's advocate on this topic because I don't believe there is a right answer here. I can see and understand both the pov of the fireflies and of Joel. And I can see that both parties fundamentally violated Ellie's right to choose.
@@jynxce It's actually really funny that you say that, because your entire comment is a justification of Marlene's ends-justify-the-means moral calculus. I'm not trying to justify Joel's actions, I'm trying to acknowledge the tragedy of what happened as a result of Marlene's denial of Ellie's fundamental humanity ironically being answered by Joel's deeply flawed, profoundly violent, and unreasoning but ultimately human response.
I still Can't believe Troy Baker was in the episode when Ellie was captured by David and his posse. I was literally blown away by his appearance in this episode!
Joel killed everyone except the nurses. Fun fact, in the game you can kill the nurses but don't need to to finish the level. It was sort of a weird natural Rorschach test in the game. When I first played I killed them because I figured that's what Joel would do. I only later found out that you didn't have to kill them.
Ok to be fair burying people in the winter is very hard. Many many years ago people would wait until spring to bury their loved ones because the ground would be frozen and it’d be hard to dig. So when I first heard the priest say that they had to wait I was like “oh that makes sense” Then I found out they were cannibals and I was like oooo they ate him nevermind
The reason the actress who plays Ellie's mom looks so much like Ellie is because she is Ellie. She's the actress who did the voice for Ellie in the original video game. So the current Ellie character was modeled after her.
Ellies mom is the voice actor of ellie in the game and the one ellie killed in the last episode play joel voice actor in the for the game. And Ellie is immune because she didn't cut the cord before she got bit
Not only is the woman who played Ellie’s mom the real Ellie from the game BUT the dude Ellie kills with the cleaver when she mentions being infected is the Joel Voice from the game as well.
You guys should check out Peaky Blinders! I just started watching it and am almost finished season 1. Only 6 episodes per season so its very fast paced. Cobra Kai is a favorite of mine, but im an 80's kid and LOVED The Karate Kid movies, which the nostalgia pulls hard on, just like Stranger Things and its 80's nostalgia. Would LOVE to see you guys play the game via livestream! Also hopefully you'll release Gen V and The Boys to YT. I know they're tough to edit I LOVE that show. Reacher is another good one in the crime action genre you could get through quickly.
What I appreciate about the show's version of the winter section is getting the see all the physicality. In the game, outside of a VERY brief section where Joel wakes up and walks for a bit, we don't really experience the effects of him slowly healing. He immdiately gets into a gunfight and starts moving like he normally does. In a cutscene, he will show some effects of still recovering, but that's it cuz in gameplay he is perfectly okay. Getting to see him properly struggle at all points in this episode of the show was pretty cool.
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Great reaction you 2. You know what is funny considering that the Cordyceps fungus caused this worldwide devastation, penicillin was invented from a green mold......one caused the apocalypse the other heals infections..........gotta love those molds and fungus haha 😂. Looking forward to the next reaction......I would love to see some vintage monster movie reactions....OR, I bet you would love the classic silent short movies from the great Buster Keaton. 😊
the guy with the white beard who got his head ripped off two episodes ago is believe was the guy who voiced tommy in the game, the guy who sniped the horse ellie was on is Joel’s voice actor(in game) and ellie’s mom is ellie in game
LOOOOOVE watching people experience this for the first time. If I could only go back. No spoilers, but if you guys thought THIS was crazy, Part 2 is going to absolutely BLOW YOUR MIND. If you haven't already done so, please play the games before season 2 comes. You guys are great! got yourselves a new subscriber!
I'm pretty sure that Neil Druckman (the creator of the games and one of the people on the show) said that the vaccine wouldn't have worked. So I think Marlene was right in at least trying, but Joel wasn't going to sacrifice Ellie on a possibility. Also how do you distribute a vaccine like that in an apocalyptic world where most people dont trust fedra OR the fireflies? So many questions 😭
Part 2 is gonna go crazy, it’s *FAR* more ambitious a narrative than the tropey “road-trip to the cure” of Part 1, but the performances and script are still just as strong.
The guy who got hacked with that knife in the neck voiced Joel in the game and then the women who plays ellies mom played ellie in the game! ❤ so cool they added them into the show!
The craziest thing about this show/game is the way they show that humans are the monsters. They have a world overrun by zombies and make you think they’re going to be the worst things possible… then you get the QZ in Kansas City, David, the Fireflies and their agenda… even Joel.
I’m so excited to see how they portray the 2nd game in season 2 because so many things happen and it’s way longer. I wonder if they’ll split the game up into 2 seasons. Also I love how you are so convinced Tommy and Maria’s town have some kind of dark secret lol, the trust issues are real
murderers, rapists and cannibals are an obligatory part of post-apocalyptic universes, but combining them into one is rare. very interesting character... and watching him die was even more interesting! 😊
I genuinely think the game is the better version of the story but the show is good and im excited to see season 2. Watching suggestion, Ashley Johnson (Ellies mom) has made an adult animated show on Amazon with 7 of her friends. Its animated by the same people who did Legend of Korra and the character designer who did Young Justice. Its called "Legend of Vox Machina" and its so well done
I love how the ending bookends the beginning where his daughter is killed. Someone in power is going to someone he loves because they think it will save "mankind", only this time he was able to do something to stop it. He already lost one daughter to the "greater good" he's not loosing another.
I thought the think with Joel is that he spent a lot of time closed of and hurting because of Sarah... And while with Ellie, he basicly became her father. And that is enough to make his resolve as it is... He will protect her at any cost...
Part 1 is an innocent baby compared to the monster of a story that is part 2. I just hope they won't simply forget about the zombies like they did after episode 5...
joel said you keep going for family, ellie is family now so all bets are off, ep 3 "we are protectors and god help anyone who gets in our way", ellie promised after the surgery she would roll with joel, but there is no after the surgery so joel made an executive decision.
Although ellie is mature for her age she still only 14. She definitely shouldn't have been the one to make that decision. Joel being a good father made the right choice for ellie and saved her life. Marleen taking ellies choice away also was taking her life away. Ellie was not in a good mental state of mind to make a life and death decision like that. She's also dealing with survivor guilt and that adds another layer to her mental state
But Joel didn't make the choice for Ellie. Joel's choice was 100% selfish and for him because he couldn't lose another daughter. It's why he lies to her, because he knows it was his own selfish choice.
Both the Fireflies and Joel took Ellie's choice away. The Fireflies were afraid of Ellie's answer. While Joel knew what Ellie's answer would be he took it away because he knew Ellie would choose to sacrifice herself for the cure that is the resolve she had in the end.
I think the creators said season two will take place between the first and second game which if it’s true is will be a largely new experience for both show watchers and game players
I love that they she said that she looks and sounds like Ellie. A lot of people were upset by the casting of Bella Ramsey as Ellie because she doesn’t look like her/sound like her. Not only does she sound like the original Ellie, but she looks like Ashley Johnson (Video game Ellie’s Voice actor). I feel like she was perfect for the role, despite not being exactly like the one in the game.
I agree with what Joel did 100%. She is a CHILD, and a traumatized child at that. HE is her father, HE is making this decision because he cannot survive losing her, and he doesn't believe she should die for a CHANCE at a cure. He's being selfish, yes, but HE is her father now, he had to do it.
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@theperfectmixx if you thought this was hard to watch, try playing the game of this show and try not to cry in the saddest levels
You guys also need to watch ghostbusters
Fun fact: the actress who played Ellie’s mom is the voice actress for Ellie in the game, and James (David’s closest follower, who went with David hunting) is the voice actor of Joel in the game 😁😁🧡🧡🧡.
Love your content, keep doing what you’re doing 🧡🧡🧡.
I warmly recommend playing the game in your spare time.🧡🧡🧡
@@silviamihailescu6367 correct, plus we got to see when Ellie was born
"She sounds exactly like ellie" that's because she is lol! The actress who played ellies mom in the show voices ellie in the game 😂😂
i think she was talking about the similarities between Ashley Johnson and Bella Ramsey
lmao they havnt played the game my dude. they was saying omg she looks like older bella ramsey.
Lol for real that being said great casting as Ashley Johnson and Bella Ramsey do look and sound similar
Buddie boy is the actor who plays Joel’s voice in the games.
It's not just voice guys, they're full performance actors with motion capture.
Ashley Johnson man, Ellie’s Mom, is actually the real voice of Ellie from the games, THE 🐐
Not just voice. Full actress, with performance capture.
ashley is ellie crazy how alike bella and ashley look haha could be her real mom haha
the giraffe is indeed real. hes one of the resident giraffes at the calgary zoo where the scene was filmed. they made a special blue screen sound stage at the zoo so the actors could actually feed him and then the effects were added after to make it look like a city.
I always think it's funny when people ask if the Giraffe is CGI because it was literally the only thing not CGI in that scene.
I always thought the giraffe was CGI due to the background. It makes it look a bit off 😭
27:36 this is quite possibly one of my favorite lines of the whole series. Joel’s “It’s okay- I believe him” & then k*lling him…. I absolutely love savage, no stopping, Joel. Dude did all this with a still healing stab wound. Don’t. Mess. With a father’s love. Period.
That was the most badass scene from the most badass man in the entire show. Loved Pedro Pascal as Joel in this series. 10/10
I played the game as a 17 year old boy when I was in high school and fell in love. I’ve been a life long fan. This was a moment I dearly hoped they put in the show once I found out one was being mad. It shows just how savage and brutal he really is. Probably one of my fav lines as well!
YESSS!! exactly!! every time i rewatch game playthroughs too this scene is so fuckin epic. my personal favorite in the game is when he stabs the guy's knee and hits his chin up and goes "focus, right here. right here." gets me EVERY TIME. the sheer power of joel is so epic
WHAT TOWN! Gets me everytime.
@@Lost_Northerner I forgot it was in the show and when i was watching this I burst into laughter!! Great delivery!!!
Remember what Henry said to Joel in episode 5, “I am the bad guy because I did a bad guy thing” big foreshadowing for Joel’s decision in episode 9
Watch the game ending. They got it beat by beat. That “okay” at the end was what everyone was hoping they’d get right. It was so good. Bella Ramsey got it down.
Presenting "okay" as a masterpiece 😂 commom my guy no one was watching and thinking : i truly hope they get that last okay right 😂
@NeBojSeJaSam13 some people were..apparently 79 people.
James in Episode 8 is the voice actor of Joel in the game
Ellie’s mom in the flashback of Episode 9 is the voice actor for Ellie in the game.
Awesome cameos ❤
An add on to this, Marlene, in the show, is the woman who voiced Marlene in the game, she got to reprise her own role.
Also Kathleens main henchman guy is the voice actor for Tommy in the game
The actress who played Ellie's mom also did the motion capture for Ellie. There's clip from it in the recent documentary. Don't watch unless you've played part 2.
@@JRush374 I understand what your saying but the women that played Ellies mum in the show IS Ellie from the games. Not just the motion capture. She uses Ellies voice from the game in the show. Troy who plays Joel in the game, just uses his normal voice not his joel voice
@@DeskIsUndead I know
@@DeskIsUndeadhe said that
Remember when Joel answered Ellie about why they couldn’t make a fire from E4, he said people and they’ll have way more in mind than robbing them? Enter David. I also love how Ellie not only gets to save Joel but she saves herself too. Lastly Joel feels he keeps failing throughout the series, but in the finale he thrives in the hospital. He isn’t slow, hard of hearing, or hesitant/no panic attacks. He could not afford to fail “her”. I’m so glad they adapted this show and working in Season 2 now
Ellies mom was in the first avengers movie.
Everyone hitting you with the same fun fact so ill pull one out from left field
yesss! lose my mind every time i see her on screen it's so cool
Yup. And she also plays a side character in "The Help" as well!
Ellie and Reilly were bitten by a Stalker.
There are four (possibly five?) stages of infected.
First stage are called Runners (these are the newly infected, running around, biting people)
Second stage are called Stalkers. They show the first signs of cordycepts beginning to show thru the skin and head. These people have been infected for a few weeks to a few years.
Third stage are Clickers, with the mushroom heads.
Fourth stage are Bloaters (Big Boi from KC)
Is there a fifth, or alternate stage? TBD
Runners > stalkers > clickers > shamblers > bloaters > rat king (depends on circumstances to create one)
@@Raccocooneythe reason they didn’t say the 6th one is because it’s a spoiler🤦🏻♂️
@@Raccocooney If you didn't catch what was meant by @frankiefadda let me be clear... You should delete the last term or the whole comment since it's a spoiler.
I didn't play the game but I figured the final stage was when the cordyceps exploded out of the host, like that guy Joel and Tess saw in the basement in episode 1
@janahall7295 Bloater (Big Boy from ep.5) is the final form
I don’t compare this show to anything but the game. I loved both, different in many ways but still great.
I can’t wait for season 2 to come out
Joel is not a good guy and I love that. This was conveyed well both in the game and the show. Making him a morally grey character, who protects his people in the most savage ways, was an interesting path for the character and honestly I wouldn't want it any other way. A very complex character and one of my favourites.
Same. I enjoyed Joel as a character and the rules by which the show and game setup. The consequences for actions that came later was understandable, also. It's those that fell in love with the character's selfish, murderous actions earlier on, I never understood. Accepting Joel and his ways is accepting that other's can mete out the same retribution in return.
@@jynxceI get it, but they tried REALLY hard to make me like the character that killed him, and then they forced me to play as her, and beat Ellie up using the antagonist that killed the most beloved character???? And then in the end, Ellie doesn't complete her revenge, making the whole journey pointless, including the murdering of a pregnant lady, meanwhile the antagonist manages to escape... None of the characters in the whole sequel were enjoyable, except maybe Ellie's girlfriend and ofc, Joel, Tommy and Ellie herself, I couldn't enjoy the second game at all tbh.
@@taylormoreira1266
It was not pointless. By the end Ellie has forgiven Joel and the conflict at the end of Part 1 is resolved. Ellie was a broken mess throughout Part 2, but at the end she finally manages to move on. Revenge would not have made this any easier for her just like revenge didn't help Abby move on.
The genius of the writing is that even though he does horrible things, for the most part the audience will side with him because you completely understand his motivation
In the game, Ellie and Riley were attacked by a horde of infected, where here they're only attacked by one. I prefer just one because it shows just how dangerous a single Infected can be.
i wouldn't say "horde". I'd say pack. There couldn't have been more than 10. We only ever see and experience ONE horde (in tlou2), two at most (end of seattle day 1) maybe.
@SidPhoenix2211 That's true, pack would definitely be a better word for it. It was more than one nonetheless.
ellie's mom in the show is the mocap and voice actor for ellie in the games! marliene's actor is the same one for the games, james (david's "sidekick") is the mocap/voice actor for joel in the games, and kathleen's sidekick (the one who got his head ripped off by the bloater) is tommy's actor in the games!
I will never stop thinking about how the hospital they used in the show is in my hometown.
The cast and crew are working on season two set to premiere next year. Once they’re done filming, Pedro Pascal is also gonna work on the MCU’s version of Fantastic Four. He’s gonna portray the team’s leader Reed Richards better known as Mister Fantastic.
As many already mentioned, Ashley Johnson (Ellie's mom), voiced Ellie in the game.
But also, Troy Baker (James, "maybe that's god's will") voiced Joel in the game.
Jeffrey Pierce (Perry, Kathleen's second in command) voiced Tommy.
Merle Dandridge (Marlene) voiced Marlene.
And finally, one of the reasons why this was adapted so well, Niel Druckmann (creative director for TLoU game) was brought on as a creative director for the show. He helped capture what made the game so special, and every change he made was to improve the story.
They were not only the voices, but also the motion capture actors for the games.
The story with Ellie and Riley actually took place during a DLC.
The character James was played Troy Baker who was the actor for Joel in the video game where as Ashley Johnson who played as Ellie's mom was the actor for Ellie in the game and Yes that Giraffe was a real one.
i’ve watched the show a few times now and it just clicked to me when he says “we’ll bury the dad later”, he means they’re just gonna eat him (even tho i already knew they were cannibals idk why that specific person dying didn’t click to me)😭 every other time i watched i thought the same question of “wtf do u mean? isn’t he gonna decompose” and this time when the question passed in my head i immediately wait “OH- wait…right…” 😂
They were already eating him. The girl ate her own dad.
As others have mentioned Ellies mom was Ellie in the games. Absolutely loved the thought of the original Ellie giving birth to TV Ellie. Had to chuckle a little too at the comment of them being related in real life... as TV Ellie is British (and Lady Mormont from GoT)... just reinforces the great casting and acting by Bella Ramsey.
Tommy's wife - "Be careful who you put your faith in. The only people who can betray us, are the ones we trust." The foreshadowing is wild. I believe Ellie thinks something is up, but Joel hasn't lied to her yet about things, so him saying, "I swear" .. She takes it at face value.
I think that line is the biggest underappreciated theme of the show. Marlene did the wrong thing because she didn't trust Ellie enough to let her make the decision for herself. But it's not a betrayal of trust because she and Ellie don't have that kind of relationship. (Probably a betrayal of Ellie's mom's trust, though.)
But Joel DOES betray Ellie's trust, because he does know that Ellie would make that decision, and he doesn't want her to be able to make it. So he lies to her about what happened and what her options are, even when she makes extremely clear how important it is to her. He lies with perfect sincerity right to her face. And even though I think Ellie doesn't truly believe him, she has to make herself accept that answer because she's a child and she loves him and she NEEDS to believe it.
All the arguments about "is Joel justified" or "would the cure work" don't change the fact that the show has been setting up the fact that Joel was ALWAYS going to make these decisions, because he can't lose another daughter, but that by doing so he violates the trust Ellie has placed in him. That's what the show and the game END on. That long shot of Ellie looking uncertain and finally just saying "...okay." It ends on the fact that Joel lies to her.
The story is about perspetives and choices, which is brought into sharp focus in the second game.
Troy Baker is a God in video games. Joel, the Joker, the list goes on. He is incredible
They did a poll for how people felt about what Joel did in the end
Near 50/50 split for people who thought it was right/wrong.
But it was 100% for parents, and as one myself I can say that once you know that kind of love, you would burn down the entire world to keep your child safe.
its ONE life for a CURE to rest of of ENTIRE HUMANITY .. Zero logic over it !
Plus that parent "crap" doesn no fit, Ellie aint hes kid ! :P
@@UltraSuperDuperFreakspell correct first and fuck humanity look what they turned too 🤣🤣
@UltraSuperDuperFreak spoken like someone who's never had a child lol
What he did was absolutely wrong. At the same time, I know I'd make the exact same decision if it were me. That's really the genius of the writing: when you understand the weight and consequences of what he's doing, but you understand him. The real tragedy is how there had to be a choice to begin with.
@@UltraSuperDuperFreak Who would it cured exacly now ? Cannibals ? Raiders ? Slavers ? There is no point in cure, the whole planets is DONE humanity cannot be saved like hey lets get everybody together and civilize again.
Thank God I lived long enough to see one of my favorite video games be adapted into something that was not just good but spectacular. Took long enough..
I loved everything about the hospital massacre montage. I loved the editing, with the inserts of the bullet casings, and Joel's shoes. I loved that the sound is muffled, and we mainly just hear this music. And everytime the sound of the violence breaks through (like that one guy's scream when Joel stabs him), it is effective.
It is from Joel's perspective. He's almost disassociated cuz he is of a one-track mind. Nothing matters to him, these people don't matter to him. Only Ellie and her life matters to him. Everyone else is just an obstacle, folks who are in his path. He has no emotions or rage or anything against these people. It's not personal.
They are simply in his way.
Also glad that they didn't have him kill the nurses. He killed everyone who was a threat or in his way. The nurses were neither. Plus, the game REQUIRES the player to kill the surgeon and the nurses are optional.
Also love that the music is a slowed down version of the main theme!
@@heknowswherefranceis4838 Yeah, it's the same music from the Firefly Massacre in the game. ❤
@@erinhaury5773 ehhh no. The hospital sequence in the game has intense, sort of droning, abstract percussive music which was in line with the rest of the combat music in the game.
The final leg of the hospital sequence has no combat and you just run with Ellie in your arms. THAT bit has violin, orchestral music. And a different take on that is what is played throughout this scene here.
So many people saying they should have given Ellie the choice, but when the faith of humanity is in the hands of a teenager in a world where kill or be killed is real, I don't think you should leave it up to the kid. You do what you have to do at that point.
why? humanity is worth saving at ANY cost?
Im Team Joel all way here, but in this isolated example (disregard the DLC in the game and hidden files, etc), one 14-year old is not ANY cost.
A deep cost indeed given the value of human life and asking a former father, now restored, to allow his daughter to save a deeply flawed humanity, but it isnt any cost.
And it’s a moral argument timeless to this day depending on the vein of morality (utilitarian, value-based, etc)
Joel is ultimate bad ass. Exactly Marlene shoulda asked ellie and Joel. Maybe Ellie coulda convinced Joel to let it happen but maybe she wouldn’t have wanted to die also.
No one asked Ellie about her consent because they could only accept one answer: Marlene would only accept dying for the cure and Joel would only accept saving her. Both did not want to risk the other answer and thus made the decision for Ellie.
As the 1 hope of saving humanity, there is no way that Marlene would risk getting a "no" from Ellie. Having Marlene ask Ellie would have been completely unbelievable.
Bodily autonomy! The key word is bodily autonomy! If they had asked Ellie for her permission and told her the truth, it would have been a different story. Marlene did the wrong thing for the right reason (to save humanity), and Joel did the right thing by saving her from having her bodily autonomy violated, but did it for selfish reasons. He simply couldn't lose another daughter.
I don't think she was fooled for a minute by Joel's lie. She simply said "O.K" at the end as a way of saying "o k, i know you're lying, but we'll go on from here anyway." She's not stupid. She was giving him one more chance to come clean with her before their relationship is ruined by dishonesty.
Ellie is - after the encounter and assault in E08 - a traumatized minor with depression and PTSD. She would sacrifice herself for all the wrong reasons, basically committing suicide. She is not capable (legally nor factually) of making such a decision.
Joel would have still done what he did even if Ellie consented.
@@jolanas.5426 she is the only one who can make the decision. This is not our world. This is a post apocalyptic world. What's "legal" doesn't factor into it. Every one has been traumatized. Who else should make the decision, Joel? He's a severely traumatized person with his own reasons to be biased in making the decision. Although Ellie is young, and in this world would be a minor and incapable of making the decision, she is living in a different world. She has had to grow up quickly in many ways. There is no one else in the world who could make the decision. The decision is hers.
@@jolanas.5426 she is the only person who could make the decision. This is not our world. This is an apocalyptic world. What's "legal" doesn't factor into it. Every one has been traumatized. Who should make the decision, Joel? He's a very traumatized person with his own reasons to be biased. There is no one in this world who could or should make the decision regarding Ellie's bodily autonomy other than Ellie herself.
@@cullenarthur8879 So you'll let a traumatized minor commit suicide, great. You would make a great parent.
Ellie should not have been asked to make that decision at all. Not until she's reasonably well, mentally able to decide and all the consequences are explained to her, with the chances of success and qualifications of those operating on her. So she can give fully informed consent while having mental capacity to do so or to back out of it. Anything else is bad and immoral, apocalypse or not. So I'm not mad at Joel (who had his own, different reasons for his actions) for stopping the Fireflies. Marlene and co. didn't give Ellie such information and I'm pretty sure they would operate on Ellie and kill her even against her will.
Ashley Johnson (Ellie's mom) played Ellie in the hame, Troy Baker (James) pkayed Joel in the game, Kathleen's henchman played Tommy in the game.
Such amazing cameos
Also, isn't Marlene actually Marlene? I believe I heard that as well.
@@johnthiele984yes
One of the nurses in the operating room is Laura Bailey who plays a certain character in the second game that you wont forget about in upcoming second and third season of the show.
I love Ashley Johnson and Laura Bailey... Also Bella Ramsey and Pedro Pascal all great in every they're in it seems
Giraffe was definitely real guys
Episode 7 is the DLC version of the game, it told the story between when Ellie and Rilly were in the mall and got bite but also telling the side story of how she tried to find supplies for Joel in an abandoned mall as well. 🔥🔥
Should mention that Ellie was not told about the surgery at all, and they just started prepping her as far as I'm aware. So going off of the argument that its Ellie's choice; which it is, Joel is 100000% in the right. Granted Ellie would have agreed to go along with the surgery, but they never asked her. So by not doing so, and resisting Joel's attempt to stop the surgery and dying, therefore not actually allowing her to give her opinion even after waking up, that's entirely on them.
BONUS Also: There are audio files you can find in the game that imply that they've attempted this on others before and it did not work. BONUS BONUS Also: The surgeon who was going to perform the surgery was ENTIRELY unqualified to do so. The guy had a bachelors in biology. Thats all.
He didn't ask her either. That's why he lies about what happened. If he was 100000% right, he wouldn't have lied.
But you're trying to derail the trolley in the trolley problem: that's not the point. The point is that Ellie's sacrifice would have saved the world, but she would have had to die. Ask anyone in that world if it was a worthy sacrifice and they'd likely have said it was, except for Joel. Love isn't logical. He chose his selfish need to save his new daughter over saving mankind or giving her a choice. And we all would have done the same as him.
Love the semantics of asking for permission when the survival of humanity is in question. The reason for ep 2 was to setup a similar scenario where decisions need to be made at the expense of humankind's survival. The doctor was willing to sacrifice herself, family, and surrounding city to protect humankind from this. Maybe they should have sent out a mass email poll to get everyone's consensus. Funny how when it's our favorite selfish, homicidal protagonist, it's okay to forget about sacrificing the few for the good of the many. Also, we never got to see Marlene and her people's journey across the country and the trials & tribulations of father's and mothers that made their own personal sacrifices for the good of humanity. Anyone accepting Joel's decision should not have any reservations about the consequences that decisions have in the future.
There are *not* any audio files in the game that imply they tried with other immune and did not work
That is a myth from dunderhead non-science players who misinterpret the Surgeon's Recorder's
_As we've seen in all past cases,_ as immune people when the fact is it is talking about tests on *infected* people
15:43-The man on the left is the voice of Joel in the game!
still gets me when ashley comes on screen
loved watching both your reactions to this series. you can tell it was very genuine and heartwarming..thank you both for sharing your experiences and thoughts in regards to the series
Troy Baker (The guy who plays Joel in the games), had a great anecdote about the Giraffe scene.
He was talking to a guy who had just played through that scene in the game
He said that the very first thing most kids should remember is going to the zoo, and seeing animals
Ellie didn't have that. So for this to happen after the episode with David
Her and Joel enjoying that moment of awe, like father and daughter
Everyone needs a Giraffe moment with their parent, and this was hers.
Joel is the limitless devotion that we all hope to have in our corner in our darkest hour.
14:30 this man looks like someone just k*lled his dog 😭 I was bawling my eyes out at that scene too
The music has a tragic undertone during his spree in the hospital almost as if we aren’t meant to be pumped during this action scene… it really highlights the horror Joel is committing taking down the entire hospital and the worlds hope for a cure. He knows she wants this, but his “love” for her prevents him from truly honoring her the way a loved one actually would. He lies so he can keep her to himself, the world be damned.
One of the nurses was the voice for one of the characters in The Last of Us Part 2 game. Her name is Laura Bailey.
im doing the same thing joel did. im sorry, but You did not make me travel the whole country nearly dying like 4 times just to kick me out and sacrifice someone I now see as a daughter. Its the fireflies fault the way they handled the situation was terrible. They could of just been honest and asked if elle was willing to do it and she probably would of said yes.
He wouldnt have accepted it regardless. Marlene cornered him and gave him the opportunity to talk or find a path forward.
If it really came down to Ellie nearly getting a choice, Joel could have put that option on the table.
But he didnt, and thats why I love him more. Nothing matters as much as his daughter, and even if she said yes to the surgery, a strong part of me feels he wouldnt take that decision; he’d kill everyone while she got prepped again and then peddle the story about the raiders attacking the hospital
Ellie's mom is Ellie in the videogame. The same actress gave birth the same character twice 🥹🥹
As a parent of 2 boys, there’s LITERALLY nothing I wouldn’t do for my boys, and I would wanna be 1000% sure there wasn’t a safer option for retrieving the cordyceps from her brain/body BEFORE I ALLOWED SOMEONE TO KILL MY CHILD for a theory that may or may not work. There’s been no time AT ALL to research Ellie and her immunity. Yep, I’m w Joel all the way. As parents, sometimes we have to do what we know is best for our kid, including not telling them the entire truth.
Here's a fun thought experiment: imagine you're not Joel but just you. You live in that world with your 2 boys, and you hear about this girl that is immune. If they sacrifice her to create a vaccine, your children will be safe from infection for the rest of their life.
What do you choose then? If you would do anything to protect your children, would you let Ellie die? If yes, Joel's actions are suddenly counter to your own. If no, then you wouldn't do everything to protect your children.
Play the games before season 2 comes out! Finish part 2 before watching the show. The experience will be much better.
Season 2 is about too..Yaa. It will make u feel some type a way. I’m glad you guys enjoyed the first season.
They left Joel no choice. He couldn’t tell them to wake her up and let her choose because at that point they would have been prepared to kill him if she said no. All they had to do was give her a choice, but they crossed that line and the only thing Joel could do was cross another line to retrieve her.
Problem is Ellie might not have understood any of that.
on the other hand, Joel knows exactly what Ellie would have said if she had been asked. That's why he's lying to her in the end. :)
@@Olochgu Exactly. It's as if some are just trying to justify their own blood lust for what Joel did. He killed Marlene at the end because he knew exactly what Ellie's decision would be even though she wasn't a threat (outside of possibly informing Ellie of her option). Ellie even foresaw that when she stated that she wanted to see this journey out to its end no matter what. Ep 2's doctor willing to sacrifice herself, family and surrounding city was shown to contrast someone willing to make the ultimate sacrifice for the good of humanity like Ellie to someone like Joel who was only focused on himself. Funny considering Joel was a soldier understanding the good of the many outweigh those of the few.
@@uhwaykin It is indicated in the story, both in the show and in the game. They never directly say it, but it is very clear in the subtext. Especially in the giraffe scene. Ellie needs her immunity to mean something, and if it took her life too, then so be it.
I also don't think it would be morally right to ask Ellie to make this sacrifice. She is a 14-year-old girl suffering from severe PTSD and survivors guilt, and the idea of dying to save the world has that teenaged romanticism to it. She is definitely not in the right mental state to properly make such a decision.
I like playing devil's advocate on this topic because I don't believe there is a right answer here. I can see and understand both the pov of the fireflies and of Joel. And I can see that both parties fundamentally violated Ellie's right to choose.
@@jynxce It's actually really funny that you say that, because your entire comment is a justification of Marlene's ends-justify-the-means moral calculus. I'm not trying to justify Joel's actions, I'm trying to acknowledge the tragedy of what happened as a result of Marlene's denial of Ellie's fundamental humanity ironically being answered by Joel's deeply flawed, profoundly violent, and unreasoning but ultimately human response.
Joel had a JOB and Ellie was "cargo". His part ended when they arrived.
Davids friend James is played by the same dude who voiced Joel in the games. Troy Baker is his name. Hes an absolute legend
I still Can't believe Troy Baker was in the episode when Ellie was captured by David and his posse. I was literally blown away by his appearance in this episode!
Joel killed everyone except the nurses. Fun fact, in the game you can kill the nurses but don't need to to finish the level. It was sort of a weird natural Rorschach test in the game. When I first played I killed them because I figured that's what Joel would do. I only later found out that you didn't have to kill them.
Ok to be fair burying people in the winter is very hard. Many many years ago people would wait until spring to bury their loved ones because the ground would be frozen and it’d be hard to dig. So when I first heard the priest say that they had to wait I was like “oh that makes sense”
Then I found out they were cannibals and I was like oooo they ate him nevermind
The reason the actress who plays Ellie's mom looks so much like Ellie is because she is Ellie. She's the actress who did the voice for Ellie in the original video game. So the current Ellie character was modeled after her.
Ellies mom is the voice actor of ellie in the game and the one ellie killed in the last episode play joel voice actor in the for the game. And Ellie is immune because she didn't cut the cord before she got bit
Ellie’s mom in the show was the same person who played Ellie in the game so it’s literally old Ellie giving birth to new Ellie
Troy baker is the actor who plays James, the same actor who voices Joel in the game 🙂
Season 2 got a teaser recently, and as someone who has played the game it's based on, you will absolutely not predict it.
Lmao Vince his reaction once Marlene got shot had me lmao
This is the comment in was looking for 👀
lol same, she SO had it coming
LOL SAME
Not only is the woman who played Ellie’s mom the real Ellie from the game BUT the dude Ellie kills with the cleaver when she mentions being infected is the Joel
Voice from the game as well.
Binged the two previous videos on TLOU yesterday, the timing of this video comes in clutch!
So happy 2 see you made it to the end of this Season 1 Journey. Hope you enjoyed the ride. Wonderful reactions 👍
You guys should check out Peaky Blinders! I just started watching it and am almost finished season 1. Only 6 episodes per season so its very fast paced. Cobra Kai is a favorite of mine, but im an 80's kid and LOVED The Karate Kid movies, which the nostalgia pulls hard on, just like Stranger Things and its 80's nostalgia. Would LOVE to see you guys play the game via livestream! Also hopefully you'll release Gen V and The Boys to YT. I know they're tough to edit I LOVE that show. Reacher is another good one in the crime action genre you could get through quickly.
It doesn't matter if Ellie would give her life for it or not, the point is she wasn't given the choice!!
What I appreciate about the show's version of the winter section is getting the see all the physicality. In the game, outside of a VERY brief section where Joel wakes up and walks for a bit, we don't really experience the effects of him slowly healing. He immdiately gets into a gunfight and starts moving like he normally does. In a cutscene, he will show some effects of still recovering, but that's it cuz in gameplay he is perfectly okay. Getting to see him properly struggle at all points in this episode of the show was pretty cool.
43:25 Ohh boy !
its amazing. they have confirmed there are 3 seasons planned at this stage.
I neeeed yall to watch young royals!! it is such an incredible and well made show. season 3 very recently came out, and since then it instantly became one of my most favorite shows. btw i love your videos, you guys are so fun to watch
Many antibiotics can be injected into the injury. A lot of times its even given topically to fight infection.
Great reaction you 2. You know what is funny considering that the Cordyceps fungus caused this worldwide devastation, penicillin was invented from a green mold......one caused the apocalypse the other heals infections..........gotta love those molds and fungus haha 😂.
Looking forward to the next reaction......I would love to see some vintage monster movie reactions....OR, I bet you would love the classic silent short movies from the great Buster Keaton. 😊
That's Ashley Johnson, she's OG Eliie from the games, voice, motion capture, and image.
the guy with the white beard who got his head ripped off two episodes ago is believe was the guy who voiced tommy in the game, the guy who sniped the horse ellie was on is Joel’s voice actor(in game) and ellie’s mom is ellie in game
So the guy that played James is Troy Baker the voice of Joel in the game. Ellie’s mom in episode 9 is Ashley Jonson the voice of Ellie in the game.
33:14 fun fact she was doing motion capture and voice of Ellie while making tlou and tlou II games
20:00 Fun Fact: James is the one who voiced Joel in the game! :)
LOOOOOVE watching people experience this for the first time. If I could only go back. No spoilers, but if you guys thought THIS was crazy, Part 2 is going to absolutely BLOW YOUR MIND. If you haven't already done so, please play the games before season 2 comes. You guys are great! got yourselves a new subscriber!
I'm pretty sure that Neil Druckman (the creator of the games and one of the people on the show) said that the vaccine wouldn't have worked. So I think Marlene was right in at least trying, but Joel wasn't going to sacrifice Ellie on a possibility. Also how do you distribute a vaccine like that in an apocalyptic world where most people dont trust fedra OR the fireflies? So many questions 😭
Part 2 is gonna go crazy, it’s *FAR* more ambitious a narrative than the tropey “road-trip to the cure” of Part 1, but the performances and script are still just as strong.
24:30 The man that snipes the horse is joels game VA
The guy who got hacked with that knife in the neck voiced Joel in the game and then the women who plays ellies mom played ellie in the game! ❤ so cool they added them into the show!
The craziest thing about this show/game is the way they show that humans are the monsters. They have a world overrun by zombies and make you think they’re going to be the worst things possible… then you get the QZ in Kansas City, David, the Fireflies and their agenda… even Joel.
i'm sure i didn't say how much i love you both. thank you!
I’m so excited to see how they portray the 2nd game in season 2 because so many things happen and it’s way longer. I wonder if they’ll split the game up into 2 seasons. Also I love how you are so convinced Tommy and Maria’s town have some kind of dark secret lol, the trust issues are real
murderers, rapists and cannibals are an obligatory part of post-apocalyptic universes, but combining them into one is rare. very interesting character... and watching him die was even more interesting! 😊
I’m so sorry I missed this😭😭😭I was at grandparents house!! I think 7, 8, 9, were so crazy
Joel saves Ellie for himself, he didn't save Ellie for Ellie.
I genuinely think the game is the better version of the story but the show is good and im excited to see season 2.
Watching suggestion, Ashley Johnson (Ellies mom) has made an adult animated show on Amazon with 7 of her friends. Its animated by the same people who did Legend of Korra and the character designer who did Young Justice. Its called "Legend of Vox Machina" and its so well done
I love how the ending bookends the beginning where his daughter is killed. Someone in power is going to someone he loves because they think it will save "mankind", only this time he was able to do something to stop it. He already lost one daughter to the "greater good" he's not loosing another.
I deeply appreciate you bringing this up; I forgot that parallel 💜
I thought the think with Joel is that he spent a lot of time closed of and hurting because of Sarah...
And while with Ellie, he basicly became her father. And that is enough to make his resolve as it is...
He will protect her at any cost...
Part 1 is an innocent baby compared to the monster of a story that is part 2. I just hope they won't simply forget about the zombies like they did after episode 5...
joel said you keep going for family, ellie is family now so all bets are off, ep 3 "we are protectors and god help anyone who gets in our way", ellie promised after the surgery she would roll with joel, but there is no after the surgery so joel made an executive decision.
Although ellie is mature for her age she still only 14. She definitely shouldn't have been the one to make that decision. Joel being a good father made the right choice for ellie and saved her life. Marleen taking ellies choice away also was taking her life away. Ellie was not in a good mental state of mind to make a life and death decision like that. She's also dealing with survivor guilt and that adds another layer to her mental state
But Joel didn't make the choice for Ellie. Joel's choice was 100% selfish and for him because he couldn't lose another daughter. It's why he lies to her, because he knows it was his own selfish choice.
Both the Fireflies and Joel took Ellie's choice away.
The Fireflies were afraid of Ellie's answer. While Joel knew what Ellie's answer would be he took it away because he knew Ellie would choose to sacrifice herself for the cure that is the resolve she had in the end.
ah ive enjoyed watching you guys watch this without knowledge of the game!! ur commentry funn!!
A lot of this was filmed in and around Lethbridge, AB, where I am from :)
I think the creators said season two will take place between the first and second game which if it’s true is will be a largely new experience for both show watchers and game players
I love that they she said that she looks and sounds like Ellie. A lot of people were upset by the casting of Bella Ramsey as Ellie because she doesn’t look like her/sound like her. Not only does she sound like the original Ellie, but she looks like Ashley Johnson (Video game Ellie’s Voice actor). I feel like she was perfect for the role, despite not being exactly like the one in the game.
I agree with what Joel did 100%. She is a CHILD, and a traumatized child at that. HE is her father, HE is making this decision because he cannot survive losing her, and he doesn't believe she should die for a CHANCE at a cure. He's being selfish, yes, but HE is her father now, he had to do it.
I believe they had both the voice actor for Joel and Ellie in the last two episodes