8k 3D Printers are Irrelevant
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- Опубліковано 26 січ 2023
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When you hear "8k Printer", that doesn't actually mean all that much
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Instructions unclear, bought a 3d printer for $8k
Nope, you hit the nail on the head
😂 10/10
Came looking for this 😂
I can't believe 8,000 printers suddenly became irrelevant after this video ✊️😔 are there any even left?? He doesn't realize how powerful his words are.
@@D-Res HIGHLY inappropriate
I want a 20" 16k for big build space with the same precision. 😆
I want that too!
Wouldn't you need 32k for the same precision?
@@84Eraurslsyou would need 30K$ to get it
@@84Eraurslsyeah it's a square law
@@84Eraurslsyeah
That why DPI is more useful than resolution
exactly. help me tell more people!
Which should actually be PPI, pixels per inch, because it’s an array of pixels, whereas DPI, dots per inch, is referring to regular printing, where the ink is applied as dots. 🤓
@@core36 ok, fair enough. but it;s the same number
@@FauxHammer But 8k on a 10" inch screen is better than 4k on a 10" inch screen hence why they advertise it
@@CallMeRabbitzUSVI I know that, but so many people don’t
I mean, 8K is good either way! On a smaller screen you get more resolution, on a bigger screen you get the resolution of a small 4K display (guessing), but with a large build plate! :)
Pretty much,
However, if you go up to something like the mega 8k from phrozen, this is worse in resolution detail than the mini 4k
@@FauxHammer the mini 4K sucks. Mine can’t even keep the z axis from moving.
@@jvogler_art4708 which isn’t related to resolution, hope you’ll get some decent prints anyway. I don’t think I need more quality on my 4K printer tbh. Especially since I’m painting all the prints, at least that’s what I tell myself 😅 having a bigger plate would be nice though.
Still kinda unecesary either 4k, 8k
Im printing with a small cheap lcd printer and it can get great resolution because its part of the resing process. Printing with layer heights of 0.05 you can hardly miss anything at all. Theres also a thing called " design for 3d printing" which are basically guidelines for any 3dp tech eithe fdm, resin, sls, dmls etc. On top of that most people will simply paint them, all the micro detaills will be "erased" and become just a texture.
I need to print that Opie bust
SidNaique
I was scrolling down the comments looking for someone to mention Opie. What a great show that was.
@@Watchout5035. Currently rewatching it.
8K means nothing..
proceeds to show the highest quality print known to man.
What's your point?
Did you not listen to the rest of the video?
For reference, a human hair has a diameter of round about 60 micron
Woah
About 40 microns to be exact
@@Declopse15-60 microns depending on the hair, the hair on your forhead is much thiner then on your head
I didn't know Nick Mullen had a miniature.
Who
@@FauxHammer The thumbnail looks like comedian Nick Mullen circa a few years ago.
@@grindcoreninja6527 ohhh. No it’s Ryan Hurst
I would say that anything unrelated to elephants is irrelephant...
But, i'm with you on this one, DPI, or more correctly PPI is the correct measurement to look for.
Did you just print Opie from Sons Of Anarchy?...🤯
Looks like Will Pattison to me
That’s definitely Opie from SOA😂
Definitely opie only reason I clicked lmaooo
@@oscarmike3572 same
me too I was like who tf is printing SOA characters LMAO@@oscarmike3572
Having a micron pixel ratio would be a much more cohesive way to advertise these accurately
A bit clickbaity and yet absolutely true and a needed info to pass around for beginners looking to delve into 3D printing. Well done, Ross, that's the perfect subject for that format :)
man really printed Nick Mullen
nah its ma man Opie
rip mulldog
Nah man that’s Ryan Hurst
Instructions unclear I’m watching movies on my 3d printer
The bigger screen helps to fit more stuff on the bed while you print though. There are lots of figures and statues that require a larger screen.
true, but that's got nothing to do with it being 8k..
The other major consideration is light bleed. Even if you made a 20k screen at a small size, it still wouldn't be able to actually resolve that resolution.
This is where people need to understand that the printers us mere mortals buy are not SLA, they're MSLA. Masked Stereo Lithography. True SLA printers, the ones for industry use that cost many thousands, use lasers instead of a screen. The laser can actually get the light right onto the desired spot with little to know bleed, so they can resolve really high resolutions.
DLP printers are the middle ground here. They use a projector and mirror matrix to focus light allowing for pinpoint accuracy. The main issue holding them back is that Texas Instruments is essentially the sole manufacturer of mirror matrices. This means low production volume and high cost. The most common use of DLP setups right now is actually in movie projects, and this is where all of the higher resolution ones are being sent. This means that the only two enthusiast grade DLP printers are using 2k DLP mirror units. Hopefully we'll get a 4k or 8k unit in the future, as it is just a flat out superior technology to LCD, other than cost wise.
DLP and SLA also tend to be compatible with a wider array of materials than MSLA as they don't need to combat light bleed. Not having to worry about bleed means they can more fully cure any individual pixel, where cranking up the exposure time or intensity on an MSLA printer will increase bleed and result in a blurry image.
Found your list for best 👌 3d printers. Its very helpful.
Thanks, glad it helped. I try to keep it updated and based on the practical.
Nice job👍I know how much work and effort has been put into this. Good job!🥰👌
Thanks, umm. Not much. I supported it and clicked print
Ah yes now i can play Minecraft on 8k 3D printer
I tried to explain this to someone on Facebook, but it totally went over their head lol .
I'm gonna be doing a dedicated video on this topic soon. I have a 4k printer, 35 micron that is capable of the same detail as a printer with 28.5 Mirons.... and I can prove it!
Explain to gamers lol
Misleading title. You also immediately contradict this title seconds later by clarifying it.
What? On UA-cam?!? We should tell someone!
An 8k Printer will have more details than a same size one that's only 4k or 6k. 8k just means pixels relative to not just screen size but area also. Also 8k printers can print bigger prints with either same details or better than a smaller version of the same printer.
exactly, but people don't understand this generally and will compare a mini 8k to a mega 8k by phrozen and wonder why details aren't as sharp
so what one has more details? the mini 8k?
@@FauxHammer
It was suggested to use the voxel size in microns. It conforms to the printer settings that you use, and can be better used to gauge print resolution on any machine.
Yep, this video is very old now
Opie lookin slick on that print
Thanks
Better than a 10” screen with a 4k display
Yes. But so many people don’t realise that screen size even matters
We have a term for this. DPI.
Also, I'd imagine layer step would be very important as well.
Well technically it’s PPI not DPI, but nobody uses this, they refer to a printers pixel size. Because it’s more relative to layer height and gives you a similar comparison metric
It's actually really cool clean prints
Very informative. Thank you
Glad it was helpful!
Sounds pretty relevant to me. I want better quality and resolution.
It’s just to inform people that 8k is not a direct measure of quality. You need to know the screen size too. So you should compare pixel size as a better metric.
Thank you for adressing this, I'm so fed up they doesn't give us the resolution per cm or inch for the ones who used wrong measurement.
That's totally marketing communication, that nearly tells you shit about the capacity
I;m about to address this in a dedicated video
@@FauxHammer That's a wonderfull thing I'll follow you !
Marketing go brrrr
Where's that 1080p printer and the 720p, is 144p just a gluegun?
That's the reason why I got the Saturn 2 8k. I want a big build plate that can still get good quality.
How do you even print with goo? I only understand filament.
😢 Ol' Ope.
From Moses to Moses none arose like Moses
man ive been trying to find something to print like small so ima try resin printers
8k printer means "large format printer with the DPI you've come to expect from common SLA printers"
Hmm, how wrong is this. let me break it down, and I'm doing this to help.
8k printer does not mean that at all.
8k printer only means the resolution is "7680 × 4320" or there abouts.
And are you suggesting that 8k means MSLA printers are on par with SLA printers? becasue they really aren't even close. Hardly anyone in the consumer space has ever even seen an SLA printer in the flesh, never mind use one.
SLA are printers using UV lasers, M-LSA is an LCD printer, like these 8k ones.
@@FauxHammer Don't be pedantic. I was using SLA colloquially, referring to MSLA. I am only talking about consumer/prosumer printers. I just meant that a larger resolution allows the printer to have a larger build volume at the same DPI, and therefore print quality. Whereas a 4K printer with a large build volume will suffer in print quality.
@@electriccomics but a larger format 8k screen will also suffer like that Jupiter, the Max and the Mega 8k
All are large 8k printers, but quality wise they are about as good as small 2k printers
So it’s not only not irrelevant, it’s inherently important to print quality, just needs an additional parameter (screen size) to know what you’re getting.
Obviously it would be better if they would advertise the pixel density/ppi but it seems like quite the absurd stretch to say that the resolution is irrelevant.
I've been screaming this for so long... But people are stoopid
It’s a hard concept to get across
Hoky shit incredible detail
not too bad eh.
Yes! The XY quality of resin prints are already phenomenal and barely needs improving anyway, if anything we want better resolution on the Z axis to reduce the layer lines, can't say I've ever felt that the XY accuracy of my prints needed improving.
So technically if your want large prints you definitely want a large screen with 12k+.
Ideally but the difference is minimal.
It’s more that if you have a large 8k printer. It’s not as detailed as a small 8k printer
When you just NEED to complain about something
I hope one day wee will gather square platform for print, more size of print even if that mine less resolution bcs the sli is already fucking good
Honestly, anything under 50 microns on xy is gonna be noticeable only for the sharpest of eyes. But even 12k printers are so cheap nowadays (Saturn 3 for 265 eur for example) that it doesnt really matter. And 12k for 10 inch screen is pretty great anyway.
Same goes for choosing a tv. It’s about pixel density, not screen size. We chose a 4K 48” because the pixel density is better than the 55” at 4K. Smaller pixels means a sharper image. My brother has a 65” 4K tv and it looks like trash, you can see all the pixels from a few feet away.
24k would be nice to have tho. Less sanding
ur medical bill also become 8k
Discovered America, did you?
Lol
Ngl I thought this was gonna be “8K doesn’t mean anything because there are $500 printers at 14k now”
lol, this video has gone through so many different types of assumtion ion the lasyt year
I've said the same, they just need to put PPI
I love my halot mage
It's great to discover that pixel density also matters when it comes to 3D printers. I'm accustomed to hearing about it in relation to tablets, phones, and monitors.
This man is pedantically fighting for his life in the comments
This man, also knowing when he feeds trolls it breeds further engagement and therefore views and therefore money.
The insulting (and mostly incorrect) (comments make me cry all the way to the bank.
@@FauxHammer So butthut
Thanks for help brother
Happy to help
Instructions unclear, smaller LCD installed
Cpt. Obvious here to save the day again 👍
This makes a buttload of sense, thank you
happy to help.
@FauxHammer I just bought a 4k, do you think there's a noticeable difference between 4k and 8k printers?
@@lintxlicker depends on the screen size...
I mean, it does still matter, simply because obviously a 10 inch screen that is 8k will ha e more pixels than a 10 inch 4k screen.
It only really means that you have to also consider the dimensions of the screen along side the resolution, which you should do anyway.
Like if you want to print mini figures, that are only about 1 inch in diameter, you probably want a smaller screen if you are after high resolution, but if you instead aren't as concerned about resolution, and need high production volume, then you probably actually want a larger screen with a higher resolution to match closer to the lower resolution on the smaller screen with the ability to print more figures at once.
Like, sure, you can print a pretty nice figure on a 4k screen that is 5 inches wide, but you can really only print what, like maybe 10 figures in a single run on that? Alternatively, get a 10 inch screen at 8k, govomg you the same pixels per inch, and print considerably more per run.
I was showing a print off to a mechanical engineer at work and when he found out the print resolution was 50 microns, his eyes about popped out of his head.
Next week I should mention there are 20 micron printers available.
haha, well, you won't see much of a difference below 35
You say this, but half the customer feedback on the original Saturn 2 highlighted a need for an 8K screen and so elegoo added it per customer feedback.
Yes but now there is a 10" 12k elegoo
Which means higher ppi
Paid 3k for the 8k to print the 40ks 😔
Really wish they'd just lead with PPI instead of resolution in the first place.
omg they literally just used a lower resolution photo of the same print to advertise the 8k printer
Beautiful prints. If only resin wasn't such a mess to work with i would totally get one. Till i build a 3d printer area in the garage or heated shed i won't be getting one. Don't want to mess up my carpet or have resin around the children.
Yeah fair reasons. I’m glad I have a separate room for all this
I Never thought about that :O
Thanks, it's why I made this video
@fauxhammer - it's really simple... if there are two screens - one 4k and one 8k and they are both the same physical size, then the 4k screen will yield 2x blockier prints at the same size as the 8k screen will.
You are missing the whole point.
No… that is exactly the point I’m explaining…
What printer did you use to print that dude with the beard?? Thats the kind of level of 3d printing I need!
Saturn 2
I don't get why resin printer screen resolution is measured in pixel count rather than pixel density/dpi...
IS THAT OPIE FROM SONS OF ANARCHY
We already have a unit for communicating pixel size and is the pixel density, I don't agree that is in flicking inches, but ppp is way better than counting microns
ok, carry on doing that if you like, while the whole resin printer industry uses Pixel Size.
Theu should show it in ppi (or ppm for things of this scale)
But why did u print Will Ferrell tho? 😂
So a better metric would be ppi (pixels per inch) or something like that.
the exatly same thing on PC monitors or TV
Outdated arguments with the 12K eleven printer
They should really advertise these by their pixel density not resolution
Finally someone who understands
Useful info, but doesn't mean 8K printers are "irrelevant"
That Oppie bust is great. Where from?
I just bought a Saturn 3 ,, a buddy was trying to convice me to save money and go for the Saturn 2 because "8K is still sharp" .. yeah if my Mars had 8K sure ,,, but on a 10'' screen I wanted a 12k so it would atleast be the same as my Mars 3
Makes sense
Big screen with OLED
"It doesn't mean anything, it only means you get more detail for a given screen area", or does it mean everything?
Model by Side Naique
Yep
What's the current sweet spot for price Vs quality. The Saturn 2?
Yeah I always thought 2.7k and 4k and now 8k should have followed a per inch measurement
hallelujah!
idk Im still jazzed with my 3k Halot one pro.
Literally just explaining PPI but for 3d printing.
You have no idea how many people confuse Resolution with PPI and DPI though
Rock and stone!
Eh
Back in the 80’s I upgraded my commodore64 with 8K of ram and it was awesome - so this 8K 3d printer must be great 🤪🤷♂️👍
Better be careful... They're not gonna like you explaining marketing tactics 😂
They’re gonna crucify me for tomorrows video then
feel like they should advertise Pixels per inch/cm rather then just general terms
is that Opie from SOA
Hi, quick question
-What 3D printer do you prefere the most?
It's not a quick answer, i have to many to review to "enjoy" them, saying that... I do like the 10" 28.5 micron printers because of the quality and build plate balance.
I have a comparison vid coming out in 2 weeks
Any 3D RESIN printer should give you highly detailed, ultra smooth prints. Unless you prefer a rougher looking product then get yourself a FILAMENT printer. Your finished pieces are guaranteed to look like splintered, rough cut lumber milled with a dull chainsaw then fermented in an elephant's a**hole, everytime!
They should actually specify the DPI not the resolution
I've been saying this for a couple years. Phrozen has a resin called 8k and one called 4k. Use the 8k resin on their mega 8k printer and the 4k on their mini 4k printer, guess what, the smaller printer gives finer detail. It's a total nonsense.
its more dense you mean
I have been sculpting and painting figures for the past 2 years which has caused a lot of floaters in my eye ...do you also get floaters doing detailed work?..what kind of environment should I have to do these kind of detailed sculptures?
Are you in a well ventilated area when working with paints and 3d resin?
@miguellopez3392 In the room in which I work has two doors kept open ...thus only natural ventilation takes place...should I have exotic fan?
@artguru1709 if you experience headaches and can smell it in other rooms, maybe you should, I do.
@miguellopez3392 no it doesn't happen to me..I think it is due to working in dim light
@@artguru1709 that is also a likely cause, i use warm lights and use a lot of backlighting to prevent eye strain.