Chris Broussard & Rob Parker - Is LeBron Much Closer to GOAT Status Than He's Given Credit For?
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- Опубліковано 9 лис 2024
- THE ODD COUPLE - Chris Broussard & Rob Parker debate with their producer Rob G about appreciating what LeBron James has accomplished up to this point and wonder if LeBron James is much closer to G.O.A.T. status that he's given credit for.
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after the clippers lost, rob and chris have fallen off ... hard
Lol man then they never really addressed how wrong they were smh especially Rob
@@demarcobryant3074 Rob won't go onto Undisputed because he knows Shannon is going to roast him for his wrong pick of the Clippers and his hit take that Lebron went to LA to do movies not win titles
@@stinger5127 rob is a punk, every since that he never showed up to any media outlet.
@@demarcobryant3074 Chris admitted he was wrong on a couple shows
@@Amir.Hendrix he playing it off very well
Its amazing MJ has not played in the NBA in almost 20 years and yet he is still talked about constantly and is still relevant just goes to show how good he was.
@Dats a paddlin if we’re going by stats he is. But I still feel I’d pick KD as my all time Small Forward.
Typical old men can’t except something could be better now than in there time, because they were young at the time and living amongst the hype this generation will do the same with lebron when they get older
If you ask rob Parker’s father who was the best player he would probably say wilt chamberlain 🤔
@@blisstits playmaking and defense are two stars Lebron beats KD by a wide margin
@@mrmiguel_00 For sure, but I think in my all time list I would rather have someone who arguably is the greatest scorer of all time in terms of skill. When it comes down to it when your on a team with greats Kevin Durant will be the difference maker.
Damn how many different ways are y'all going to ask this question?
until they brainwash the public into goin with their narrative!! 💯💯
Forever...its exhausting
@@playthatagainbruh394 sure tf is
It won't unless Lebron and his "friendly media" stop crying and begging for more respect meaning he should be considered the goat
Till Lebrun fans admit MJ is better
Lol everytime Rob Parker has to talk about LeBron the man squirms. This one hurts him you feel his pain 😫😫
lebron NOT even a Top #10 All Time player. Deal with it! Nowadays there's NO defense, No physicality and players that just stand around like the WNBA and shoot. 🤣🤣🤣 PATHETIC AZZ era. It's so weak, soft and devoid of physicality that Unathletic White Euros have come in and Dominated. Facts!
Rob: "It's not about numbers" Rob: "Mj has 6 bron only has 4". Yeah right
6 out of 13 beats 4 out of 19.
lebron NOT even a Top #10 All Time player. Deal with it! Nowadays there's NO defense, No physicality and players that just stand around like the WNBA and shoot. 🤣🤣🤣 PATHETIC AZZ era. It's so weak, soft and devoid of physicality that Unathletic White Euros have come in and Dominated. Facts! Top #5 Nba players of All Time in order... #1 JORDAN, #2 Kareem, #3 Wilt, #4 Bird, #5 Kobe. FACTS OVER FEELINGS!
He’s talking about stats genius, championships hold more weight than stats. It’s complete career resume, oh and MJ has more MVPs, FMVPs, scoring titles, DPOY on top of 6-0 in championships with no game 7’s and two 3peats.
We gonna take about this now everyday for the next 10 years?
Yes...you had an option not to click.
yes...
They troll Lebron fans
@@MichaelJordan-vk4vt by then Lebron James jr will be in the league
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Robs takes on LEBRON = Isaiah Thomas takes on Jordan. Take it with the grain of the salt spewing from Rob.
Foh isiah Thomas makes way more valid points and is a nba HOF player. Rob is just pure delusional hater. Lebron is the goat! Y’all gonna learn the hard way with the hate
Thomas actually beat jordan
I never thought I'd see the day but Rob is a bigger hater than Skip when it comes to Bron. It's truly sad, I've never heard him say anything positive about him! He says him winning does nothing but when he wrongly booked Kawhi to be the first to win the title with three different teams he threw a party but now that he was dead wrong and Bron is the first to do it he gives no credit at all!
I still think Skip is more cruel and unfair in his assessment of Lebron
@@Fade223M I would agree with you if I never heard him say at least one positive thing about him. He consistently calls him "the best passer in the game" or "he's the best driver of the basketball In the history in the game" but with Rob it's always negative or discredit for anything he does
@@KIONBROWNyeah but it’s easy for him to concede that.
I’ve been saying this for the longest bro, rob is by far bron biggest hater. I’ve seen skip give Lebron props , rob never. At this point it gotta be personal cuz this makes no sense
Rob has Lebron #2 all time. That's hardly hate.
Lebron and Kobe
Played a combined 37 Seasons in the league, with a combined 16 Hall of Fame teammates, to combine for
6 Finals MVPs
5 Regular Season MVPs
3 Scoring titles
0 DPOY
Jordan
Played just 13 seasons with the Bulls, with a total of 2 Hall of Fame teammates, and won
6 Finals MVPs
5 MVPs
10 scoring titles
1 DPOY
You forgot about his HOF coach
@@michaelatkins3384 Lebron and Kobe both played for HOF coaches too.
@@michaelparker6240 Lebron and Kobe both played with top all time defenders too. Did you not see the part with 16 HOF players combined? And Lebron and Kobe both had HOF coaches too.
@@michaelparker6240 Are you 12? Spo was the video guy who “got his job to coach. Lebron”? Spo coached 2 seasons before Lebron got there. Fun fact. Phil Jackson had never been a head coach in the league and took over a Bulls team that was in the ECF. So had zero success before coaching Jordan. Spolstra coaches 2 seasons and made it to the playoffs. Phil Jackson also never made it past the 2nd Rd without an MVP winner on his team and another all NBA player as his 2nd best player. Spolstra took a 5 seed, who’s best player was maybe top 15 in the league to the finals. And got to 6 games without his leading scorer and his 2nd best player missing most of the series against 2 Top 5 players. Spolstra is widely considered one of the 3 best coaches in the NBA if not the best coach in the NBA after these playoffs.
@@michaelparker6240 As for all time defenders.
Dwayne Wade, Ben Wallace, Anthony Davis, Dwight Howard, Rajon Rondo, Shane Battier, and multiple others who were great defenders like Larry Hughes, Anderson Varejão, and Shumpert.
Jordan has accomplished more in less years than Lebron
Let's be honest bro! The Lebron GOAT campaign mainly relies on 2 arguments, Longevity and Stats. Lebron has played his last 10 yrs in the softest, weakest NBA era ever, where point guards are grabbing 10 rebs/game and getting triple doubles, this is the biggest stat padding era ever. Lebron also benefits from modern medicine on top of this soft era, which the older generations never had... they used to take commercial flights for Christ sake! I will give him many props on the fact that he takes care of his body better than any player before him. With that being said, the GOAT argument for Lebron is a joke.
@@HZB_33 well then bill Russel is the goat if i consider your argument
@@theofeel2054 I just love those who always bring this statement, maybe they should realize that there were only 8 teams when Russell played in the nba ...
@@HZB_33 Absolutely and I will add that teams now score between 20-30 more than in the 90's so individual stats are also inflated. And the offense is so prevalent in today's era that they shoot more free throw. Jordan would probably spend half his points in the free throw line.
@@Blackenedification lol of course you will put MJ era to be the best... because it suits you. that why your argument about era is stupid. I can make the argument that we have more tallended players than during 90s. Wer score more because we shoot better and more 3s... Mj played during 3s but didn't perform at it, Reggy miller did.
So if you gonna say the past era is better then Bill Russel is the goat. If stats don't count then MJ is not the goat
13 seasons as a bull, (11 full seasons) MJ averaged 31.5 points on 50.5% shooting. Winning 10 scoring titles with 9x 1st defensive team selections including a defensive player of the year. The best two-way player of all-time hands down.
Even if you took his defense out he's still the Best offensive player of All time.
When the money is on the line, you have to go with Jordan. That definitely counts for something and is a characteristic of a goat.
Its something but not everything. Id give the ball to Jimmy butler to take the last shot over Shaq. That doesn't mean shaq isn't the better player
@@seanflaherty1225 If Shaq gets in his spot in the post, I'd take him over Jimmy.
@@Renegade8652 What if he got fouled and didn't score though? Don't tell me you trust Shaq shooting freethrows with the game on the line. 😂
@@Renegade8652 shaq used to get benched at times in the clutch because teams would foul him and he couldn't make free throws
Why
LeBron will have to deal with the fact that most people don't like him.
they hate the great ones.
They hate becomes LeBron now is the real 🐐. KingGOAT
@@gavinwilliams6048 They hate Tom Brady too but the difference is Tom Brady does not care. LeBron's desire to be loved unconditionally may stem from his father not being there for him.
@@qqqcalls I'm a LeBron fan I love LeBron
@@dudelittle147 OK, thanks for sharing.
By far the worst take of Chris Broussards career is that Dwight Howard is not a Hall of Famer.He is a first Ballot Hall of Famer for a long time now
Some wrong wit him Dwight is hall of fame
Howard HOF resume is complete with the ring
Lebron hurt Rob so bad. Rob will never forgive him for his success
Most playoff game winners: Lebron.
Best shooting percentage in late game situations: Lebron.
Lebron has more game winners than Mj and Kobe COMBINED.
I think everyone forgetting what rob said begging of the season and playoffs...that bron father times, came to do only movies in LA, and no way lakers getting out of West...
NFL:JOE MONTANA THE GOAT 4:0
NBA:MJ THE GOAT 6-0
Jordan is still the GOAT to me, again I said to me as I can't speak fir everyone else, BUT Lebron has a strong case. If you say he's the GOAT I won't push back. Same with Kareem.
Just stop. After disappearing against Dallas and getting crushed by San Antonio in the finals, all while being on a manufactured Super Team, you cannot be considered the greatest ever.
Lebron averaged 31.5ppg when there was nothing but defensive teams like pacers, Detroit,San Antonio etc.
He was actually scoring more when the league was all about defense.
I remember in the early 2000’s scores like 85-80 were the norm.
Lebron has lost in the finals to 2 dynasty teams in the spurs and warriors and a disrespectfully under rated dallas mavericks that beat kobes lakers and the spurs
Yea but LeBron’s Super Team was favored against the Mavs
@@ralphwilliams5723 and look what happened they were better than everyone thought
Yeap he has also lost to Dallas a team he should of beaten , lost to an old spurs team with a rookie in Kawhi. Has gotten swept in the finals. Thats the issue with his fans you guys are not objective. LeBron is one of the best players ever top 3 all time but he ain’t MJ. If you use common sense you would know that he has lost to many times when he should have one , its ok to give him credit for the things he has accomplish but we can’t forget all the times he has lost in the finals.
@@juliopoueriet2031 i guess you didnt read my first comment that old spurs team made up of 3 hall of famers and a future hall of famer in kawhi with one of the greatest coaches of all time and the warriors with kd is arguably one of the best teams ever assembled and he played the warriors the first time without kyrie and k love. Dallas is disrespectully underrated by casual fans.
Stop making excuses. Before LeBron people never made excuses for greats. Not Wilt, Jerry West, Magic, Kobe, Larry etc you LeBron stans are embarrassing. Just take the L and move on
Actually..
The advance stats across the board
Favors, MJ🤷🏾♂️
Finals record is the silliest made up stat of all time. Punishing greatness for playing in the last game of the year is ridiculous.
Thanks finally someone 🙌 talking real stuff
And punishing someone who’s won all of there is silly also
@@williebender1895 rings isn't just it...that makes him the goat its the 10 finals appearances to 6 its 8 straight to taking a break cuz the media and the grind of going to finals year after year is not for everyone...it's being fhe best teamate ever and making every one around u better getting people like iman shumpert to the finals 4 straight years jordan had three hall of famers including the best coach aside pop or red for me at least.....STOP...JORDAN IS A BETTER SCORE WITH A PRETTY GAME BEAUTIFUL GAME ONE OF THE GREATEST...BUT LEBRON DOES EVERYTHING ELSE BETTER EVERYHTIN.....NUMBERS DONT LIE...
Oh really so why is the 90s Buffalo Bills not considered an all time great team despite making it to FOUR superbowls in a row????? Oh because they LOST ALL FOUR of them if you good enough to make it then be good enough to win ain't no second place rewards out here.... Do we rewards the 2nd place guy in the MVP races? ONLY the winner gets the reward
Just getting to the finals is goat now?
Bron must've denied Rob an interview back in the day and the way Chris is starting to act Bron must've told him to SMD and MJs scoring should be better he's a damn shooting guard.
Rob said he have not talked to lebron on person since his rookie year Steven a Smith said the same thing...LeBron made alot of people upset when they could not get info on where he was going in 2010 ....people are still mad they don't got access to him and they want it ...infact no black media person male wise dont have access to him and it burns them
THANK YOU ROB G. YOU A REAL ONE.
The man gets criticized for passing out of a triple team. That says it all..
He's scared of the moment
@@MichaelP-ke1tm it was a triple team idiot
I like that MJ don't say nothing just let everyone run there mouth. He doesn't have too everybody does it for him GOAT
Trust me when le Bron is retired you will get the press debating if the next great player is better than Jordan!...Let that sink in
Advanced stats favor Jordan not LeBron!!
Chris: Give me a weakness in MJ's game
Rob G: He had none
Chris: Give me Lebron's weaknesses
Rob: There are a few
Rob: LJ is still the GOAT tho!!!!!!
Me: WTF are you smoking Rob?
LeBron is close to Jordan. That's it, he's close. Not equal or better. He'll only be better with seven, which he can still get.
7 is a reach
I doubt he can get to 7...if he gets one more, I’ll be pleasantly surprised. Nonetheless, I agree that he’s close.
If he gets 6 he is better. He will beat him in almost every stat and tied him in rings.
# of rings =/= goat. This isn't boxing. It's a team game. No single player can win on their own.
@Josh Meza he would be higher in playoff stats and regular season stats.
Chris is the only guy in the media that actually that uses some decent facts to prove MJ is the GOAT. The rest of them Skip, Rob and the rest of the analyst clowns actually make Lebron look like the GOAT with their tired weak ass 6-0 and who would you want taking the last shot statements. I wish I was in the media, there's so many arguments to MJ being the Goat over Lebron it's endless. It's soo obvious the NBA is at it's worst for ratings since Mike, and now Lebron can only get a portion of the viewership, that's why the media is working hard on this GOAT narrative with Lebron, when he retires they'll find some other player to say he's the GOAT.
Major Facts bro.
The Ratings argument isn't fair for all bunch of factors( internet,pandemic, presidential election, civil unrest, etc) can't put that on Lebron solely or even mostly. MJ is the goat in my eyes. But this too is a weak argument.
@@MartyMcFly__25 I agree with you on the ratings isn't solely on him, I should of elaborated on it. I was simply saying that ratings have not been the same and have been on a steady decline since MJ left. The NBA has continuously changed over the years that we really need to give respect to all era's and their specific goats. Rules, style of play, modern medicine... freaking shoes make a difference.. Kareem was playing in chuck tailors man!! rolling their ankles lol. Lebron needs to stop pushing the propaganda and just be happy being mentioned alongside MJ, Kareem, Magic and etc.. there's nothing wrong wt that and it's an honor.
I'm with Stephen A. There is nothing LeBron can do to pass Jordan! NOTHING!!!
Last 5 min of a close game who do you want controlling the offense. MJ or LBJ. I'll take Lebron
Isn't it harder to beat any team now a days because of 3 point shots?
🐐 Jordan was 6-0 in the Finals
LeBron loss not 1, not 2, not 3, not 4, not 5... but 6x 😆
😂😂😂😂
People are more impressed with winning at one team instead of going to multiple teams. If Lebron won 4 in one place, it would have meant more. If he would have won just 2 at Cleveland, it would have meant way more than winning 4 at three different places.
Yeah winning it all with one franchise is a lot more impressive than jumping teams with other superstars. I'm all for player empowerment, but the truth at the end of the day still is it is more impressive to win 1 or multiple for one franchise.
Maybe that would have happened if the Cavs could properly build a team around him. But they kinda suck so bad at that, he had to do it himself ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
No, bc then he would have to rely completely on the team's ability to acquire good talent. He tried that in Clev the first time and it didn't work.
Before Lebron the Heat went 5 years without a finals appearance , the Cavs never made the finals and the Lakers went an entire decade without a finals appearance and other than D-wade and Rondo no one else had really won anything before they got to Lebron... Him going to those teams were the best thing that happened to those teams in a long time... Not the other way around ...
His presence alone w high IQ of knowing which players are needed to win a championship pushed the HEAT, Cavs, and Lakers from either 1st round exits, and non playoff teams to Championship contenders. That to me is beyond impressive.
LeBron is by far the best....at making super teams
😂😂😂😂
Yeah 6 finals losses, very super
Give my man Rob G a sports Emmy! He had the two old guys on their toes this segment
Rob G is severely uneducated. Jordan beats lebron in almost every single advanced stat in the regular season AND playoffs. How is he going to blatantly lie like that
He’s a fanboy so facts are irrelevant
everybody always asks "if you can choose one player to shoot the last shot who are you choosing?" as a way to back MJ as the GOAT (and to be fair i would choose him also) but if i could choose one player to have on my team for the entire game to win a game 7 i'm going with LBJ
Well duh. Jordan never needed a game 7.
i think the scoring title comparisons is wack. Jordan got to focus on just scoring while Lebron always had to lead in pts rebounds and assists just to have a chance. If someone else could facilitate while he just focused on scoring im sure he’d have a few more scoring titles
the time miami lost to the spurs in the finals was not on lebron. look up the stats, he averaged 28 on 57% shooting while Wade averaged 15 and Bosh 14. and his starting PG Chalmers averaged 4 pts. cmon lets get real. its lazy analysis to blame it all on bron when the two co stars really weren’t balling like that. that year was when Wade began to be washed, hence lebron leaving
Stop talk about LeBeon and Jordan..."
So damn tired.....
I agree 🤣
Longevity is a crime
So context is just valid when benefit Lebron's case. For me the biggest things in Jordan's favor are: winning record in finals (I'm sorry but the GOAT can't have a losing record in the biggest stage no matter what "context" you put him on); hardware and league leading numbers by season; excelence on both sides of the court ( I'm not saying that Lebron's a bad defender but Michael was better ); and finally, for me, MJ was a better leader. All being said, if someone want to say Lebron is the Goat, I'm totally fine with it, and will never try to convince them otherwise, and that's the respect that Lebron deserves.
You give the ball to MJ make the last shot, but you give the ball to LB to make the last play. But the stats back up that LB turned out to be a better clutch player. I believe I would prefer to have Jerry West take the last shot. The Miami lost to San Antonio was due more to the coach not knowing how to coach Wade and James at the same time. In the first year of Wade and James together they tended to alternatively having the ball. A more experienced coach would have made adjustments so that they played in a more unified fashion. Also, Miami did not have a big three; more like a 2.5 because Bosh was not a great playing and did not have good shot selection. He shot too far from the basket and that hurt his rebounding effectiveness. James never had an outstanding coach until he played for the Laker; while MJ had arguably one of the two best coaches ever. There is not a GOAT but there are many GOATS in the NBA: Chamberlain, Jabbar, West, Baylor, Robertson, Jordan, James, Russell, Pettit, Bryant, Johnson, O’Neal.
Last time I checked, you play the game to win. If you want to be great, you to win championships. Also, there are other greats that you can compare LeBron to(Kareem, Kobe, Magic). But G.O.A.T talk, Jordan name is always in the discussion. That right there is my answer on who is the G.O.A.T. I like LeBron, but when this convo emerges, Jordan on top. Pump ya brakes.
You know he serious when “You darn skippy” gets dropped lol
I watched NBA games during the 90's and it wasn't that hard as they said. Jordan still got his free throw more than the other players. Bulls team were also good just like Warriors with Durant and very few teams can play head to head. Jordan still the Goat but the Gap between the other players like Magic, Kareem, Lebron, Bird, Wilt, Oscar, were not supposed to be that far specially when he can't even pass Boston and Pistons during the 80's.
Imagine if Lebron was faithful, never gave up and worked hard for 9 years to finally win a Championship for the Cavs then won a 3 peat. Mom gets murdered, goes to an entirely different SPORT, comes back and wins ANOTHER 3 peat. All 6 Finals MVP. One team, one jersey. Never allowed a game 7. No losses. Never froze. 10 scoring titles. 9 time defensives. Hit the highest peak in the history of the game. Vast majority of the world acknowledges him as the GOAT. Then a new kid comes along, loses 6 finals. Hops around team to team to barely win 4. Has played longer than the other guy so he stacks stats, but since he's relevant now, people mention him in the GOAT conversation. Yea... exactly. MJ is GOAT.
He dropped 63 on Boston and took a L?
I hate the fact that someone can be penalized for making finals. Basically saying lbj should of got eliminated in the 1st few rounds.lmao its like mj strategically lost in the playoffs. Because the only time a lost actually counts against you in a legacy convo, is a lost in the finals. So if you dare to be great dont make it to the finals because it doesnt count unless you win.. lets just scrape the playoffs. Lmao 10 finals in 17 yrs is nuts
Hes not penalized for making finals. Hes penalized for having a super team and losing the finals
So if Lebron made the finals 14 times and never won 1 championship he shouldn’t be penalized? All it makes you is the biggest loser to lose in the finals
You see what LeBron fans does? First they talk about cumulative numbers. Then when that is refuted then they say stuffs like PER is not a good measure, etc blah blah
I’m taking the guy that will have 40 points, 12 rebounds, and 10 assists over the guy that has 55 points, 3 assists, and 3 rebounds. The former is contributing to the game in a much more impactful way that is conducive to winning; UNLESS your team is really inefficient and unable to score. LeBron just does more and has a higher level of versatility. One player can set you up for success to close a series and seal the game when necessary, the other can just seal the game in terms of scoring. There’s so many other factors to this debate, but LeBron has checked off just about every box when it comes to the criteria (though, people keep moving the goalpost about what that criteria is), and then some. Four championships, #1 All-Time Scorer (Playoffs & Regular Season), the most playoff-wins in NBA History, the most playoff-points in NBA History, 17 All-NBA selections, 18 All-Star selections, the first player to have 37,000+ points + 10,000+ rebounds, 10,000+ assists, etcetera. I mean, come on. He has done the unthinkable, and these are things that guys who played just as long as him did not accomplish. That closes the case for me.
How to lower your GOAT standards -
- Have SIX Finals losses and be sub-500 in it
- Have more HoF teammates than rings won
- Have the most lucky breaks ever
- Have the longest time to get to 4 rings
If you did not watch MJ and LBJ both in real time, I can see how you would think LBJ could be compared to MJ, but if you did see both in real time, this shouldn't even be a discussion. Nobody dominated a sport on and off the court, field, track or ring like MJ.
I want to see Rob and Nick Wright go at it
Jordan gets worked forever then goes 6-0 with the greatest coach and bench and #2 and #3 of all time but LBJ going 9 times in a row and 10 total [4-6] and he isnt better? yall buggin. If anyone went to 15 finals in a row and won only 2, theyd still be better than Jordan. LBJ Blows mj off the map.
So I guess the Buffalo Bills are better than the Patriots bcuz they went to four straight Super Bowls and lost!! Man stop it!
EVERY ring moves him CLOSER from a LOGICAL perspective
Not when you account for context. It actually puts him further away... Logically.
@@Goldenboy48 NO context will logically and correctly explain that winning moves your legacy BACKWARDS
Why don't u check 2 pointers efficiency and the amount of those MJ took? Suddenly we forgot MJ was injured most part of his second season? Then two years off and then 3 years off???? In fewer seasons he got more than LJ. And scoring titles? And defensive player of the year? And dinasty? And slam dunk champ? You don't want to compare none to the G.O.A.T.
I used to be a bronsexual and make all these arguments about how LeBron's stats put him past Jordan in GOAT talks or best player talks. But I've changed my opinions with new information (seeing more of LeBron's career, the Last Dance doc, etc.) And what I say now is that LeBron is for sure a top 2-5 player of all time, and people can debate where he sits there. But never have we seen the combination of work ethic, intensity, killer instinct, stats, complete individual and team dominance, clutch gene, accolades, and competitiveness like we've seen in Jordan. Every other all-time great doesn't have the entire combination, only pieces of it.
Labum can't shoot has no go to move. I would never want him taking a game winning shot
59% shooting this finals lol stop lying boy
Yes you wouldn't because you are not a coach. And you also don't play basketball. You only watch😂
LeBron has more clutch shots than kobe and MJ combined you virgin smh
uh oh we gotta transbronsexual, you hate bron but you cant get his name out your mouth
@@DARKTALENT13 buzzer beaters not clutch shots. How many times did Jordan hit the game winner with time left on the clock.
2 titles away. That's how "close" he is. Good luck bron.
Facts
trippin bro. lebron is the goat
Russell Westbrook wasn't shooting 3's for his pts tho🙄🙄 most of his pts come off of driving
Westbrook should not be in this conversation he isn’t winning.
@@wildreams They brought up Westbrook because of the stats. They are saying if it's about stats...wouldn't that have made Westbrook the best player in the league the 3 straight years when he averaged a triple double? What about when Harden/Luka put up better stats than Bron? Bron fans will say no and to forget the stats because it's about winning. Bring up Jordan being 6-0 and then they bring up stats and averaging more rebounds and assists. Which a Point Forward should do anyway when compared to a SG 🤷🏽♂️
Points are higher today so players are more skilled in this era but they was more physically in Jordan era!! 🤷🏾♂️ what era is harder to play in?
I think the 90s and early 00s were the harderder eras
Rob G is rational. 1 lost should not disqualify him. But how he defined his career since then should matter more for LeBron.
Lebron can't win a ring without another top 10 player on his team lol.
Edit: For the people saying Jordan couldn’t either, I can name 10 players better than Pippen in the 90s: Jordan, Olajuwon, David Robinson, Karl Malone, John Stockton, Shaq, Ewing, Barkley, Drexler, Reggie Miller
Facts
Neither could Jordan lol
@@joewilliams2101 Debatable. Jordan, Olajuwon, David Robinson, Karl Malone, John Stockton, Barkley, Drexler, Shaq, Ewing, Reggie Miller all better than Pippen in the 90s
@@TeamCoCo99 not at all. There's more to being great than scoring. Pippen could score, pass, rebound, and most importantly, is arguably a top 10 defender EVER.
@@23jakesmith23 Who are you taking out in the 10 players I listed?
MJ gave up 2-1 ECF lead in 89 vs pistons losing 3 in a row shooting 8 shots one game and outplayed by Isiah. They would of been favored in Finals
i like how if MJ would have carried some crappy teams to the finals in his early years and lose it would be a negative instead of getting swept out in the first round every year. Apparently
At 1:26 everybody keeps saying lebron numbers will eclipse Jordan’s ( except) for rings. Duh??? He didn’t go to college . He had a head start. He played longer . That’s not the only criteria we are going by in the goat conversation
We need Rob G more on the show, he is the only one that is objective towards these two geezers when it comes to Jordan
Brady is considered the goat because of the come from behind victories in the biggest game in all of sports. MJ is considered the goat because of his ability and his unrivaled will to win and his lack of fear to take the last shot. LeBron will never be the goat because of the Dallas series when he basically quit on his team. MJ would never do that.
Lebron is number two and that is ok nothing wrong with that.
When someone says MJ is a "better player" but LeBron is the goat!? LOL! 😂 GTFOH!
No. Move on.
Getting swept in the first round= loosing
And they make it look like loosing on other rounds y better than loosing in the finals. Winning a Silver medal in the Olympics y worst than not winning a medal. Funny because they always get super emotional when talking about this subject, which they say is supposed to arguments without emotions.
EXACTLY
Brons faulted for losing in the finals but it's ok Jordan lost many times way sooner
It's dumb logic
@@terryceremony the logic is Joradn won more in less seasons..6/15 while Lebron is 4/17 it is the Lebron side is saying his silver medals tally up to make for his deficit..this argument help get stronger if Lebron wins 6 but if not I cannot see people valuing his l losses equal to Jordan's wins..
Tell Rob G that the consensus will never be Lebron over Jordan...ever!
MJ fans will never mention that the damn 3 point line existed AND was brought in the only years he shot an absurd percentage ... MJ could have shot those shots like nobody was stopping him why didnt he transcend the game in that way ... steph curry didnt ask for permission
The 3 point line is a nitpick, because LeBron can be criticized on the free throw line for being a below average finisher.
A lot of MJ fans aren’t even MJ fans. We’re just fans of the game and acknowledge facts that MJ is the goat. My “goat” is Kobe but unlike delusional LeBron fans I don’t retroactively go back and make excuses for Kobe. Y’all LeBron stans are strange
The players now are way more athletic and skilled. The game of basketball has evolved and is way more competitive. The players of the past didn’t even left weights or train year round. Defense wasn’t played better back in the 70’s 80’s and 90’s players just were allowed to knock players out of the air. Why isn’t the criteria that you have to at least get to the finals 9 times? Since a bunch of players have done that. And I know a weakness in Jordan’s game the 3 point shot and Jordan would quit on his teams because he retired twice once in the his teams prime. Lebron would never.
Lebron quit on his team literally during the overtime break in a finals game.
@@kander03 lmao did he walk off the court and didn’t play OT? No, he played and they loss. Jordan LITERALLY quit on the bulls TWICE. Every team Lebron went to went to the finals immediately after he got there and they weren’t even competitive before he got there or after he left. These are facts.
Why does the 3pt shots matters when they compare points per game but ironically the fact that the game was played shooting only 2 pointers allowed the players to have better defensive stats doesn’t matter at all to them?! They aren’t objective at all
Anyone who says LeBron is the GOAT wasn't around to watch when MJ played. Its that simple.
I was and bron is better
@@tahajjudvance3411 Hello Isaiah Thomas. LoL!
Why isn't Bill Russell your goat Chris? Because of context! It was a smaller league and he played against white skinny guys.
MJ never played against the Warriors or Spurs.
He also had more competition getting to the Finals. When Garnett & Ray Allen went to Boston, that was the start of "Super" teams. So it helped & hurt Lebron.
The Utah Jazz, Sonics and Lakers were better teams than the Spurs. The Warriors without KD are good but not all-time great.
It's on King James that he was so good at 20 or 22 and this Good at 35
Rob G last comment was the best argument I’ve heard. Jordan is the best ever, Lebron is the goat.
Brady=Lebron
Montana=Jordan
That's crazy you say that because I heard him say that and thought that was a stupid analogy.
by Rob G's logic, Lebron Cavs beating GSW is like saying James Buster Douglas is better than Mike Tyson, because Douglas beat Tyson as an overwhelming underdog.
Same can be said about Bill Russell it's not just the rings.
It’s a 3 pt shooting league nowadays. Of course the numbers are going to be higher. Compared to 2 Pts in the Jordan era.
MICHAEL JORDAN ONLY PLAYED 6 SEASONS!!! HE WAS UNDEFEATED DURING THOSE 6 SEASONS! HE NEVER FAILED!!! NEVER LOST!!!
They called fouls every time anyone touched MJ so he got FTs when he got "hammered" in the paint.
U foul anyone that way now you'd be kicked out the game, that's the difference.
They were flagrant fouls called as common fouls. Today’s game the threshold for fouls is way lower like if you graze a shooters pinky it’s a foul
I'm 100% certain that all lebron fans are delusional. This dude just admitted that Jordan was the better player but then said that doesn't mean he's the goat 🤦🏾♂️ then said he would take Jordan in a last shot scenario. By his admittance Jordan is the better player overall and he's more clutch but bron can still be the goat at the end of his career Smh how!? make it make sense
Bro, just from the eye test you can see LeBron is a better all around player. Just watch them. And I can't stand LeBron. Maybe he isn't the "greatest" but he is definitely the best all around baller that has been in the league. This really shouldn't be debatable at this point.
Teams are actually scoring less in the new era😂 that stat Chris brought up is irresponsibility false.
@Malik Gordon Those are like 1970s ABA scores or early- and mid-1980s NBA scores. But they're not.
Teams are averaging 112.4 points, up from 105.8 through the same number of games in 2017-18 and up from 106.3 for all last season. If teams maintain that pace, it will be the highest scoring per game average in nearly five decades. Teams averaged 112.4 points in 1970-71.
The QUEEN thinks he just deserves it prove it instead of whining about it all over the damn place. Even AD couldn't he was better then MJ
How can i join the call?
Jordan is the Goat 🐐!! But It’s a lot closer now than it was before. If we just break their games down , it’s a lot of things Lebron does average in his game but his physical talents makes up for it. Not a consistent jump shooter from midrange, doesn’t have a go to move, never been a dominant post scorer and struggled in the post until recently, below average free throw shooter. Not until maybe last year was the first time ppl want to count his Wizards years. Yet he was the best player on the team and if not for injury leads wizards to playoffs. When your in the top 5, we have to judge you on the Prime of your career. Jordan was a more dominant player in his prime than Lebron. Let’s just say for James 2009-16 and Jordan 91-98. And ppl try to discredit Kobe for winning early in his career, like he worked to be that great. Blame Bron for not getting to the finals in 09 because it would’ve truly ended the Kobe debate. I know Kobe hated the fact him and Magic got more rings than Lebron but the media elevated him to Jordan status. And Kareem should laugh at all of them .
I agree with just about every thing you said, but with Lebron just now having another championship and finals mvp, don’t you think that extends the true length of his prime? Sure he’s not the same player as 2013 Lebron physically, but you can tell he’s stronger mentally, and still above average dominant physically even at his current age. Just like if Jordan was winning out on those wizard teams, don’t you think we extend his prime in that case too? I say this because that’s the only way I see the Lebron goat debate winning out, playing at a level of sustained greatness over the course of 20 with let’s say 6/12 in the finals instead of the 9 really good seasons (6/6 finals) MJ gave us
How can you hold it against lebron that he played for longer? Isn't that the crux of the argument itself? The fact that lebron could do the things he does for as long as he has, should be a proponent of the argument.
Get em Rob G!
Jordan started winning and didnt stop... WITH THE GREATEST TEAM OF ALL TIME!! He had the best coach of all time, best defender of all time and in second 3-peat he had the best rebound of alltime... stop compare players without putting on perspective the context they were in.