Chris Broussard & Rob Parker - If Lakers Defeat Miami Heat, Does LeBron Ascend to GOAT Status?
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- Опубліковано 19 вер 2024
- THE ODD COUPLE - Chris Broussard & Rob Parker discuss LeBron James' legacy as he makes his return to the NBA Finals against the Miami Heat. How does the discussion change with LeBron, win, or lose?
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Rob Bayless Parker 😂. Skip is so proud of you.
😹 spot on
Rob is hurting sooo bad through this playoffs. He getting his asterisk speech ready. The only way he can pivot out this pain
I can’t decide which is worse
The Heat Game 1 performance or the presidential debate last night
😂😂😂
HEAT!
The heat managed to squeak by with this L 😂
Hahaha
Lol, I have to go with the debate
Jerry West, 1-8 Finals record: "ehhhh"
LeBron James, 3-6 Finals record: "We HAVE to dissect every aspect of every second of every game of those series"
🤔🤔
I'm a lebron fan but no one is saying jerry west is the goat.
@@guccigang9881 he IS the logo though. And wasn't nary an uproar about it either, ever. And rightfully so, Jerry West was THAT DUDE.
Now, imagine them trying to make LeBron the NBA logo
24 hour sports media didn't really blossom till the last 15 years; decades after West had retired. No one brings up West in the GOAT conversation because frankly the majority of people who even watched him play are too old or have passed on.
@@guccigang9881 Jerry West was considered "Mr. CLUTCH" for his nickname but kids always say 1-8.
LeBron turned Goat after that 3 1 series idgad about a suspended draymond green
There is only a GOAT of a generation, each one cannot be compared to each other. Every era has it's own unique traits and should be judged according to the era and circumstances.
true, since they played in a different environment and rules. not to mention the players they played against
Facts
i disagree bc if you know basketball you know how each great from each era how their skills would transfer over and to look at the competition they had is unfair as well bc it’s not their fault god blessed them with unique physical attributes
Jay Hobbs lol that is the opposite of what i said, im saying any great from any era you can understand how great they could be any era bc if you can comprehend basketball at the level then you would know for example if you took wilt chamberlain from the early 50s and put him in today’s game he would be almost like giannis or even bill russell as well bc they were freak athletes at their size & during their time they were the best athletes plus the evolution of today’s game would give them more freedom and another example is if you took lebron and put him the 80s he would dominate like no other bc that level of athleticism was never seen before back then and being physical wouldn’t help it would actually show teams can’t defend him
Jay Hobbs you can’t prove or quantify someone’s psychology bc you don’t know them so what you are using is an unknown variable im only looking at what the player does on the basketball court and if you can’t understand that then that’s a personal problem you gotta figure that out
You can tell rob is one of those guys that sits down when he pees
Lebron/Jordan must equal automatic good ratings. It has to
Yea. The Herd said the ratings spike up when lebron is mentioned.
Kevin Love SUCKED in every finals series against the warriors. Yeah he’s an all-star but not in those series
lebron makes everyone better tho
scoop245 thank u sir! Thank u sir!!
scoop245 yeah imagine how much worse love would’ve been without LeBron in those series
@@tonylatrell4406 imagine how Love used to get 30 and 30 in a game smh. Please stop please smh.
Jovan Boykin ok bt why is it that when teammates come to lebron they usually take such a dip in stats
Lebron is an amazing player and deserves all the accolades he gets. But there is nothing that Lebron can do to surpass MJ, in my opinion. But that doesn’t mean he isn’t great. LBJ is on my MT Rushmore already in my personal top 5 of all time
Level of greatness is defined by level of risk. 4 rings, 3 franchises, BOTH conferences. Whose ever lead 3 different teams to accomplish that? Whose ever even dared? Yes. This solidifies him as the GOAT.
no it dont bruh he went from team to team to try to stack the deck no props for that he failed too many times.
Bronsexuals are amazing! They're claiming going 4-6 is better than 6-0??? This is the easiest title run ever. He should be embarrassed!!!
Slow mo. 6-0 is a TEAM AWARD!! No one is saying Bron has EVER been on the greatest NBA team....ever!!! The question is who's the greatest player.....obviously it's King James.
Is it? Greatness is defined by level of risk. This is why some Boxers move up and out of their weight class and fight bigger guys. The bigger the risk/challenge, the greater the achievement. So which is greater, staying with the same conference, the same team and with whom many regard as the 2nd best player of his time OR leaving a championship team that you just won a ring with, going to a much lower performing team AND THEN WINNING A RING WITH THAT TEAM, and then leaving that championship team and going to a lower performing team who hadn’t seen the playoffs in 10 years and then be in your way to winning a ring with THAT team. You see, under these circumstances 4>6. It’s all about the level of risk. The greater the risk the greater the accomplishment.
Jay Hobbs I never changed anything. Jay, sit back and enjoy the ride. You will likely never see anything like this again.
Who was MJ guarding in those finals and in his era? those non athletic seasonal basketball players they weren’t nowhere near as skilled as today’s players. He was just beyond his time with very few people in the league that could match his athleticism and will to win. That was his era just like Wilt had his era and Magic had his
Do you guys litteraly sit around coming up with ways to downplay Lebron's career?
Mike Geyen Do you FAN BOYZ/BRONSEXUALS sit around coming up with ways to go down on LeCon?? Rhetorical.
it's a goat debate genius
Its more like they sit around coming up with ways to boost him as the goat
It's more impressive to stick with one team through the ups and downs and win 6 than it is to win finals mvp with 3 different teams
Yes if you playing with a bad organization like the Cavs
@@dparks2856 chicago wasnt good organization before MJ and it isnt good after him gone too.
Agreed, this 3 team narrative. You all act like he carried trash teams.
Team 1- Dwade & C Bosh
Team 2- Kyrie & K Love
Team 3- AD (Best Big in the Game)
Come on guys think of what he did last year with the LAL and not even making the playoffs without another superstar or 2.
No it's not
@@Jags2Riches they was trash
Why does this media need to keep praising lebron, the biggest quitter and ring chasing mercenary, who needs to keep quitting and hopping from one team to another to keep crying and begging so many franchise star players in their prime and proven veterans to team up to try to chase an easy ring rather than trying to compete against the best? Did we forget the essence of sport is competition, not quitting and crying?
That is why Barkley calls lebron out as the least competitive star player we have ever witnessed.
The worst of all, Lebron still keep losing every year despite of all these quitting, hopping, crying and begging. Keep in mind that lebron should have been 1-8 without the two bailout by Ray Allen in 2013 and adam silver in 2016. The only possible legit championship was against young and inexperienced okc in 2012 short season.
@Monster2424 Miguel hurt? Nah, the reality and truth is more painful for lebron and his delusional fanbase.
And He beat Golden State
Finally someone tells the truth
Chris stop lying........ Kyire and Love were injured on that finals
Just as Steph and Andre were hurt while Bogut was injured when Lebron won
@@willliam1420 fair enough
@@willliam1420 at least Steph and Iggy played
@@caracasaltavista Not fair. Klove amd Kyrie were suppose to be the no 2 n 3 (using the money to procure KLove could have deepened their bench) Iggy was a bench player while Bogut was a role player. Moot point anyway......
He may not be the GOAT but you have to admit... he's something like one.
I definitely agree. I'm not a Lebron fan but if he wins he'll be in my top five of all time. I'm a Lakers fan and watching him closely these past two years has changed my opinion about him.
Kobe,mj>>>>lebron. Lebron played in a weaker conference with a stacked team. Had to go to game 7 against a rookie jason tatum, paul george who was still young and did not have super team. Only 6x all nba defense, kobe is 12 and jordan is 9. He flopped to get steph out the game, His teammates called him out for stat padding and got outplayed by a bench player in the finals. At this point steph>>lebron. Steph build a culture and won lebron team hopped.
@@saadk8905 Well it seems like you didn't even read what i said and no lebron james is no where near top 5. LEBRON trash talked and got outplayed by a bench player, that alone kicks him out of top 5.
@@saadk8905 don't bother arguing with this guy, he's either a troll or suffers from brain damage
@@adrianpheiffer9960 exactly...this dude is a troll...no need to worry yourself...
Are you guys purposely not mentioning Kobe who went to 3 straight and won back to back championships with Pau as his number 2?🤔 We all know what he did with Shaq but you guys act like that was the end of his reign🤷♀️ no my friend that was only the beginning put respect on the MAMBAS name countem up suckas y'all talking about a 4th 🏆🏆🏆🏆🏆 💯💯💯💯
Put some respect on Paus name, you say that as if Kobe made it in spite of Pau, pau arguably was finals mvp for his defence on Garnett
do uk how good pau was damn man
@@bennmiller6197 Listen, Pau redeemed himself that Series, but he was NOT the MVP that series. Go back an watch the entire series.
The worst game Kobe had that series was in game 7 and he still scored 10 in the fourth, grabbed 15 rebounds, and played great defense.
Pau definitely deserves his credit, but he was like the 4th or 5th best player at his position.
The 2008-2010 Lakers are so underrated man. The fact that Kobe took that team to three consecutive finals is so overlooked.
This is not a knock to Pay Gasol or anything because I was happy as hell he landed him. I was following Pau since the Hawks stupid ass decided to trade him. He was the perfect fit for the triangle and a massive upgrade from Kwame Brown...MASSIVE
Youre speaking nothing but FACTS
Jordan had tough opponents at the east and he didn't go so much times at the finals..but when he went..he faced weaker teams...this is all about the 6-0 record
The 91' Lakers, The Suns, The Blazers, the 96' Sonics, Malone Stockton Jazz weaker teams? You know NOTHING ABOUT BASKETBALL
I guarantee that "gloat" dude never dribbled a ball in his life.
Lebron doesn't ascend to goat status. He can be on the mount Rushmore of the nba, but not the goat. Jordan is the undisputed goat, it's not even close.
Militarize undisputed by who, the media? It is close, Kareem has a great case...
if its soooo undisputed, then why have they (media) debated this same topic 1.7 trillion times ??
Rashad M. Uhhh they do it for views and ratings, just like every successful content provider
He’s already on mt.Rushmore lmao he’s number 2 right now.
Lol looks like yall Jordan fans think there will never be anyone better than Jordan. Lol
No no and no. If he beats the heat he’ll move past bird maybe move past magic. He’ll be 4-6 in the finals.he’ll still be under .500 y’all come on man.
It is more than just your record in the finals... How does this have to be said. This conversation has devolved so much recently.
He’s already past bird. The only players you could realistically put ahead of him is Magic, Kareem, and Jordan. Duncan has the accolades and achievements, but I’d take LeBron
Lebron ain't even top 10
?? O no lebron is top 10 no argument
Ging ? Fam.. right now u can still make a case for bird
You know Rob is struggling to find anything to hate on LBJ when the caller said Lebron is averaging a triple double IN THE FINALS and Rob says, but what about Jordan’s regular season performance. 🤦🏾♂️SMH🤦🏾♂️Everyone knows regular season is on one level and and the FINALS is on a much higher level. Most of the league doesn’t even play that hard in the regular season to save energy and avoid energy.
LMAO. Facts.
Man you guys forget Jordan elevated all his numbers in the playoffs and even the finals. He averaged 41 against the Suns for the first 3peat. He was one of the few that played BETTER in the playoffs than regular season.
Maz That’s was Rob that referred to Jordan’s regular season numbers when LBJs finals numbers were mentioned. We were just responding to Rob’s comments.
Thing is the ones who judge him ..what have they done in basketball? Like Kobe said he at the table
best player on his 17th year is unheard of in sports..raised everybodies game..these biased comentators shouldnt be discussing 'who's the goat'..
I wonder why they never bring up the expansion years in the 90's it was a watered down league
davis is the best player on that team and durant and curry are out
Rob Parker and Chris Broussard love bringing 6-0 to the debate. How can you bring a team achievement to an individual debate because I’m confused, did he win all 6 by himself? He called the plays himself? Inbounded the ball by himself? Passed the ball to himself?
Exactly
Bruh Kevin love and Kyrie went down ... and he carried them for 2 whole games.. these guys are sooo pressed lebrons about to be the only player to win 3 finals mvps with 3 different teams 😂😂
Danny green
If he is the finals MVP then yes, he is the first. But I think AD might win finals MVP this year.
H Y u do realize how noble that was he still lost?? He’s being compared to a guy who 3peated twice while dominating
That's my answer. Cause LBJ isn't a system player. He is the system. Because he won in multiple locals.
Winning with multiple teams is nothing special if you keep forming super teams, in fact it's easier to just jump ship as soon as you start losing and go join forces. Staying with one team and winning is FAR more impressive like what Kobe did as the team rebuilt and he was able to win again and he didn't need a super team like LeBron did.
You all know they bring this up for ratings right?
I have enough of this. I remember the media still bringing up the GOAT debate even after lebron missed the playoffs.
please can yall just give up the lebron goat status he is never gonna be the goat
Facts
Lebron hoped from super team to super team to win championships and still has a losing record in the finals he’s not even past Kobe to me
You in the media said Lebron didn't have any good teammates when they lost to gsw
honestly lebron is already at goat status bc he is already considered an all time great he changed the position there is not one thing cannot do on the court he has a unique skillset for someone at his size and is a freak athlete, idc about team accomplishments im looking at the player and what they player can do in a team setting
nabil chowdhury championships are a team accomplishment no matter how you slice it
Jay Hobbs iggy won a fmvp, cornbread maxwell won a fmvp, and there are others who have won the award that doesn’t make them all time greats for it, greatness comes from their ability and how well they play the game using championships for that reason is flawed bc it takes a team to win a championship and fmvp is only for a series not who is the best player overall for the team and jordan is the goat but he needed help to win bc there only one of him
Jay Hobbs i never mentioned that i only spoke of his ability as a player and how he plays in a team setting, you keep forcing that narrative
Jay Hobbs im not diminishing them, those are not concrete reasons to why he is the goat bc he won scoring titles, i look at how jordan played the game and how it affected the game in future & present tense, he was able to do things at his position that was never done before and when he still had to carry the scoring load and defenses knew that by loading up to his side or assigning multiple defenders and still couldn’t be stopped thats how i see him as the goat
GOAT is a dumb subjective term because of eras and rule changes
In my dumb subjective opinion, Kareem or MJ is the GOAT. Best careers and most accolades since the ABA/NBA merger
A mature way to talk about this would be tiers and I would call the top tier the GOAT tier.
Would Lebron make the GOAT tier? Absolutely, along with MJ, Kareem, Kobe, Bird, Shaq and Duncan.
Now here’s a guy who knows what he’s talking about
The argument for Jordan is MORE than 6-0. That's what you guys fail to understand. Jordan is the greatest scorer of the modern era and one of the greatest perimeter defenders EVER! He set the standard for the regular season and postseason. The guy is all time leader in regular AND postseason and has the most FMVPs all time. He has more accolades than ANYONE in the history of basketball. Even if LBJ won this year, he'd still be playing catch-up in multiple areas...MULTIPLE.
For the 1000th time, you dont get punished for getting to the finals and not winning. we should judge players by playoff record not finals record. so because lebron won more series but not all is somehow less then Jordan loosing in the first round and keeping a "perfect" finals record. noo whats jordans playoff record.
Lebron missed the playoffs more times than Jordan did (who never missed the playoffs with the Bulls). What’s worse, losing in the first round or not making it? Ok.
@@SmittyWerbenJagermannJensen thats not even close to true tho..
very well said
JDM Cesar Lebron has missed the playoffs 3 times in his career. Jordan only missed the playoffs 2 times as a 40 year old on the Wizard. What do you mean that’s not even close to true?
Lebron almost lost to a rookie jason tatum.
When comparing 2 individuals (Jordan/ bron) compare their individual awards and accomplishments and then tell me who's the goat. If people do that instead of looking at the fact that bron won with 2 maybe 3 teams you wouldn't have an argument at all cause bron wouldn't be close
You do know most statistical categories except scoring are in Brons favor right?
@@samuelpemberton All the advanced numbers are in Jordan's favor. Jordan at his peak was better but LeBron's longevity is crazy
6 out of 6 is special... Bron Getting Cleveland a ring is special... if he gets the Lakers a ring.... he’s 3rd after Kobe imo dammit lol
@@bernardharrisiii2733 "3rd after Kobe" haha. Only Kobe fans say this. Kobe is a legend for sure, but Bron past him a decade ago.
Shourya Sangam For sure. But this whole “way better” stuff is cap to me. Jordan was amazing. Lebron’s amazing. They’re close in level just like all the other general top 10 players are. I don’t think any of the top 10 are significantly better than each other. Their legacies however are.
Swap Jordan with LeBron in Lebron's teams in 2014-2015-2017-2018 and then we will see his finals record
So 16,17 he didnt have a squad? 18 he said himself we gotta fu**ing squad LeCuban im not gonna debate u my friend all im saying is lebron guys need to stop tearing down Jordan....Jordan forever🐐🐐
14 he had a squad too they underperformed ill give u that
Jordan was different my G stop it lol and with today’s soft ass rules Jordan would ball out for sure peace and love lol
@@bernardharrisiii2733 He for damn sure wouldn't have gone 6-0 if he would have been drafted 5 years earlier or 5 years later than he was. MJ balled out on expansion-league era players. They played hard, yes. They fouled hard cause they had no other choice. They were not as athletically gifted after MJ and today's players. Also, between 1991 and 1998, MJ didn't face a single guy that was capable of averaging 30ppg LMAO. Not a single damn one!!! That speaks volumes about the caliber MJ faced to get his rings. IJS.
4 years 2 championships is a failure really man foh with that
Have you heard of this guy called Bill Russell that won 11 with one team? This isn't the right point
There is absolutely no reason for Lebron to complain about playing against superteams when he's the first player ever to create his own superteam in order to win rings
not sure what you talking about lebron never complained when durant hopped on a 72 win gravy train in GS.
He wasn't the first who created superteams.. what about big three Celtics...or maybe big four??? What about Kobe and shaq?? What about the big three Spurs plus Leonard next years... maan don't whatever the Lebron's haters feed you..
Don't eat whatever they feed you maan
If you have an opponent with 2 or 3 superstars on your way every year..you can't beat them with ilgauskas and Mo Williams...so Jordan would win against big three Celtics with ilgauskas and Mo???? Oook no comment
@@user-ch5sm9vx6q the first PLAYER to create his own superteam. Before he was done by the owners.
Honestly that 3-1 comeback in cleveland is worth 2 championships. The Warriors were so loaded that before KD they had the NBA Finals MVP from the previous year on the bench
Chris has been fair in this GOAT debate, but Rob Parker is a ridiculous Skip Bayless anti-LeBron wannabe. If LeBron won 20 more rings, he'd still claim MJ was better and wouldn't give props to LBJ at all. Rob Parker is a joke and I wonder how he ever became an analyst.
So what is Le Shannon Sharpe and Nick Wright🤔🤔
OMFG!!! Greatness draws heat 🤷🏾♂️ Jordan and LeBron both brought spectacular achievement to the game🎯 stop with the division talk about Tom Brady and Joe Montana 🤦🏾♂️
So tired of the Black on Black, comparisons. Just enjoy, all of our great athletes.
Even Rich Paul rolled his eyes when lebron said he was the goat go look at the tape
Were you even around when MJ played? I'm amaze how many people claim mj the goat but was born in the 90s.
LeBron did not say he was the best He actually said the win made him Feel like the best ..Damn Ali said he's the best on the Regular Chill out
@Jay Hobbs no moron...youtube shows highlights, not the full events...but I was there watching him live....don't get mad because I pointed out truth.
@@teresa-oj9rq Stop it he said that right there made me the greatest of all time lol lebron fans are delusional
@@deeessex11 I heard the tape And he did not say it the way you want to hear it..even if he did many of Athletes have said the same but because LeBron tickled the ears of Mike fanatics it's supposedly blasphemous Don't tell me Jordan never said it because the last dance was Jordan saying he's the best.
MJ with Orlando Woodridge and Charles Oakley would beat this Miami Heat team in 6.
That boat has long sailed. LeBron is 'probably' a top 5 player of all time. 10 years ago, we were talking about Kobe (RIP) overtaking MJ, 10 years from now we'll be talking about the next player.
Stop saying Kevin Love is a superstar, you keep on saying he's a great player in Minnesota but what did he accomplish there? Nothing! What did he do in Cleveland? Especially today, promoting mental health ????
SouthernStar bro in Minnesota he was a great player or superstar good players average great stats when playing for horrible teams examples KAT, D Book, Bradley Beal, Etc stop it
So.... y’all not old heads? 😭😭
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nabil chowdhury i agree
The only years that Lebron's superstars partners were good are 2011-2012-2013-2016-2017 and won 3 of 5..one lose against a superteam and one black page at his resume.. that's all ..2014 wade had knee issues,2015 Irving and Love both injured.. LeBron never have another star at his prime for such long as Jordan had Pippen
THANK YOU🙏
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How is this called the odd couple when they both agree with one another.
I hate this debate on who's better. I'm from Cleveland Ohio and how we were taught is that be a all around player. I remember my coach telling me I don't need Jordan's I need Magic's. We need team players not a person that's going to take 20 shots a game.
It’s actually better to be whatever your team needs
Agreed but this debate is dead
The losses in finals don't take anything away from Lebron's greatness..also jordan had losses and sweeps but because they didn't happen in finals they put them under the carpet.. that's unfair
Y'all are so disrespectful to Kobe Bryant. 5 and 2 is also better then 3 out of 6 or 4 out 10. Lebron is definitely great but he has to win 6 championships before I put him over Kobe. He's not on Jordan level nor Kobe. He bounced around looking for an advantage when these two stayed with their teams through the good and the bad and still won multiple championships.
Jordan isn’t 6-0 he lost before he got to the finals a lot! Funny how that’s just glossed over like it never happened!
C Jones didn’t know the other rounds mattered 🤷🏻♂️ if he was the goat wouldn’t he get to more finals then just saying
C Jones well I guess Jordan isn’t the goat then by that logic because Bill Russell won it more times 🤷🏻♂️
@@alexedwards1011 this is because mj is not a quitter and ring chasing mercenary like lebron, who needs to keep quitting and hopping from one team to another to team up with so many multiple franchise players in their prime and proven veterans to try to chase an easy ring, but worst of all, Lebron still keeps losing every year. Keep in mind that lebron should have been 1-8 without the two bailout by Ray Allen in 2013 and adam silver in 2016 finals. The only possible legit championship is against the young and inexperienced okc in the 2012 short season.
More importantly, mj didn't quit on his team. But instead, mj always came back stronger and better every year to compete until he finally got to the top. Once mj got to the top, mj is undefeated as mj retired twice as 3peat champions twice... Lebron can't even win one 3peat alone despite of all these quitting, hopping, crying and begging.
Lastly, most importance of all, mj achieved more with less in shorter time. Lebron is still chasing after 17 years, which lebron will never catch mj.
99 how so your going to use should and could of as arguments 😂 didn’t someone hit a game winner for MJ too? I mean you all gloss over that too. So your going to punish someone because they have longevity 🤷🏻♂️ I never saw mj play this well in his 17th season. If he came back so strong all the time why did he only make the finals 6 times?
@@alexedwards1011 lol are you really seriously that slow? We are not just talking about game winner. We are talking about the biggest bailout shot ever. Why don't you ask yourself what happened if Allen missed that biggest bail out shot, Esp came off from lebron's missing tying 3?
Plz don't even waste our time by bringing up Kerr's shot. First of all, Kerr's winner was planned and assisted by mj. But more importantly, bulls were not in an elimination game as bulls were up 3-2 in the final.
Even if you want to count thr bail out championship, Lebron is still chasing. Is it really that hard for you to comprehend?
Golden state single handedly knocced him out the goat running by giving him 3 finals losses and a swept
Single handly...golden state had 4 hall of famers you idiot steph , klay, durant , draymond and one more andre igurdala finals mvp so 4.5 hall of famers
@@kshitijdobriyal3003
Draymonds a bum
@@MichaelP-ke1tm still better than the teammates lebron had ..
@@kshitijdobriyal3003 Draymond better than KL, lol At least KL put up stats on a bad team. What did Draymond do this year?
@@strmshadow8411 who said to you compare draymmond with kevin love idiot .... Cavs had tristan and golden had draymmond he is like a engine playmaker in soccer or football we have a player called cdm who give passes and help the wingers
He about to get 3 in a row starting with this one.
You're bugging 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
He is about to lose 3 in a row as far as early playoff exits 😂😂😂😂😂😂
he beat AAU teams this year
3 in a row? Jus wait for the Warriors next year 👀
Yup 💯
I dont see delusional lebron haters calling chris broussard a lebron fanboy anymore.
The hate from the media, social media, coaching changes, having to GM the team, coach the team, facilitate on the floor, rebound, score, defend!!! Lebron is the G.O.A.T!! Top 2 players in nba history to contribute more to a team points and assists are Lebron James and Oscar Robertson.
M.J.
FOR YEARS the NFC dominated the AFC... Has anyone ever claimed the championships won by the Cowboys, 49ers, GB and others are somehow diminished?
And two times went two finals without any other star to help
3 in a row dont mean they special. It means the LEAGUE WASNT SPECIAL.
As a bron fan, I would like to see him win it back2back
lebron is more talented than mj but mj balance that with sheer will and aura.
Rob Parker really gets on my nerves. The athletes are to good today for anyone to average 40.
Yep...players are way bigger faster and stronger than back then
@Jay Hobbs That's 3 players for one...secondly, I never said that players from back then COULDN'T play today (same could be said for some players today playing back then)...third, i meant no player would average 40 mpg, and fourth, the AVERAGE player today is more athletic than average players of the past
*ppg
LeBron, A.D. and Rondo beat Jimmy Butler and LeBreezy suddenly becomes the G.O.A.T. ?
Keep up. He been goat.
@@rtoujr since?
You know you are good when going to 4 straight finals and winning 2 is a disappointment lol
2 out of 4 isn't a dissapointment .. for a superstar 3 out of 9 is though... not just MJ's 6 for 6... Kobe is 5 for 7, Shaq 4 for 6, Curry 3 for 5, D. Wade 3 for 5.. Duncan 5 for 6 great players find a way to pull those series out
There should be G.O.A.T.s by position...and era....a lot of the comparisons are unfair
Lebron choke vs Dallas disqualification
U dumb.
MJ never melted down...except for when he quit for almost 2 full seasons in the middle of his prime. And yes, I watched MJ’s career.
And this is very goatish you have right
LeBron plays at that level so many years and is nothing aah? Oook
And show me one team from Jordan's opponents in the finals that was better than Spurs and Warriors
Sure, soon as you show me a team in the east during Lebron's run who's on par with the STACKED CELTICS TEAM FROM 86 that you Bron stans hold against MJ for losing to. Jordan lost to a team with 5 hall of famers. Mj was swept obviously. Bron, Bosh, and Wade were taken 7 games by an end of there primes big 3 celtics, and then the following year, 7 games against a Pacers team. Other than maybe Paul George, who are the hoffer's?
Name a team jordan lost to like the dwight howard magic beat the king?
@@jamalsag7812 Thank you. Bron lovers always want to ignore his easy path
I don't ignore the easy path..all i say is that the 6-0 record is because of that exactly..if LeBron had faced stronger teams before finals he probably would go to finals less than 10 times..but if in the finals he had faced weaker teams in finals like Jordan.. Lebron's record would be propably better..maybe 4-0 or 5-0 or 6-0... that's all i am saying
@@user-ch5sm9vx6q ...your saying he 'probably' to situations where Jordan 'did.' Look, Lebron is an all time great. But whether you feel he faced harder comp in the finals or lacked sufficient help, he has not dominated his era the Jordan did. Jordan didn't face the 'monsters' Lebron faced because HE was the monster. His teams were always favored because of him. His abilities helped him overcome his teams shortcomings. Lebron maybe supremely gifted and his gifts are putting him in the record books as we speak, but they obviously didn't always help his team overcome. That's just facts. Lebron will finish top ten in points, rebounds, and assists. But with 17 years and counting in, he's glaringly short where it matters most. Yea, Russell won 11. That is exactly one more chip than they're were teams. And his teams were also, chock full of hall of famers. Lebron stans always say, if Lebron had the same things MJ had. What if MJ played with 2 perennial all stars 7 of his 10 championship runs? What if he was drafted to a team with Kareem already on it? Or McHale, Parrish, Bird, or Dennis Johnson?
The argument that MJ always closed the deal is hollow when we are comparing the types of teams Jordan & LeBron took to the Finals.
Lebron has taken teams with average, middle tier stars to the Finals. Jordan has Never done that. Jordan was always in the Triangle, always had Scottie Pippen by his side, was always coached by Phil Jackson, and always was favored in the Finals because his team was so good. Jordan never dragged any of his teams to the Finals. They were favorites.
Need that same energy! Don't want to hear the injuries now! Miami was down 32 before the injuries happened.
Uh no they weren't. They were down 5 when Dragic got hurt.
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Dragic= garbage im talking about butler and bam!
He aint even top 3. The real goat convo is MJ Kareem Russell and Wilt. Lebron aint even better than Kobe
True but he's ahead of Magic.
Magic could barely dribble with his left hand
Larry Bird is a different conversation tho
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Good one.
U sound hurt son
Desmond Addison Kobe won back to back with Pau Gasol. Lebron always had big 3s and now AD
Jimno oh yeah Kobe never won three rings with PRIME SHAQ, who was the best player in the league at the time. And that team didn’t have Lamar Odom, Andrew Bynum, and Ron artest. Remember when Kobe blew a 3-1 lead against the suns and missed the playoffs?
the only disadvantage LeBron has over MJ is that he was born 22years later. We could not give Lebron his credit because we all love MJ, if the next generation of talking heads were to take over the airwaves, who witnessed Lebron do his thing for 17 years, they would say he's the GOAT. it's the body of work. the totality of it. maybe MJ had the higher apex of success but in a short period of time, while Lebron has a high apex for the longer period, it was not just as high as MJ's.
And to be honest, teams back in the 80's and 90's were not as athletic and crazy as the generations from the 2000's and 2010's. We say "if MJ had this scientific advancements, he would have done this and that..." the analogy should actually favor Lebron in this point of debate, why? because this means Lebron faced athletes and players that uses the same science to advance their abilities/skills and body. which means tougher competition. right? MJ's era's science was not that developed, so he became successful because he trained and became better than other players, plus he was coached in a very good system. a system that benefited his skill set. (like Kobe). Lebron had different coaches, different systems. Going back to the "science", we compare MJ's competition vs Lebron's, old science vs new science, it's like comparing an analogue cellphone (the chunky looking phones) vs an Iphone, which has better performance? the debate should also apply to Lebron vs MJ. BUT WE WONT DO THAT BECAUSE WE LOVE MJ. That's that. We are stubborn. we only like to hear MJ is the GOAT because we grew up watching him.
I really wish Lebron could've played against those physical 90s Knicks, where players were clotheslining and tackling players... or the Pistons where there were no layups the way he cries when a player today just brushes against him that would've been inetresting
@@RickyMoss yeah well we couldn't know for sure right?
MJ's Finals Opponents:
1991 Lakers - Former Champions - Favorite to win Lakers
1992 Blazers - Not Champions - Favorite to win Bulls
1993 Suns - Not Chamoions - Favorite to win Bulls
1996 Sonics - Not Champions - Favorite to win Bulls
1997 Jazz - Not Champions - Favorite to win Bulls
1998 Jazz - Not Champions - Favorite to win Jazz
Out of 6 Finals, MJ was favored 4x
LBJ's Finals Opponents:
2007 Spurs - Former Champions (2003,2005) - Duncan, Manu, Parker, Bowen, Robinson (2003), Horry (2005) - Favorite to win Spurs
2011 Mavs - Not Champions - Favorite to win Heat
2012 Thunder - Not Champions - Favorite to win Thunder (Media favored OKC than Heat, but i think Heat should have been favorites)
2013 Spurs - Former Champions (2003,2005) - Duncan, Manu, Parker, Kawhi, TMac - Favorite to win Heat
2014 Spurs - Former Champions (2003,2005) - Duncan, Manu, Parker, Kawhi - Favorite to win Spurs
2015 GSW - Not Champions - Favorite to win GSW (GSW became favorites only after injuries of Kyrie / Love)
2016 GSW - Champions (2015) - Favorite to win GSW
2017 GSW - Champions (2015) - Favorite to win GSW (added Durant - who the hell can win against these dudes??? even MJ wont be able to do it if you exchange him over LeBron within the roster)
2018 GSW - Champions (2015,2016) - Favorite to win GSW
Out of 9 Finals, LBJ was favored 2x (by Media) but won 3, faced 2 teams with dynastic players, 2 teams (Spurs & GSW) who dominated the Tougher WEST.
MJ only faced LA once, and Jazz twice (but were not former champions).
Now you tell me who went through tougher compertition? Again, Analogue cell phone vs IPhone analogy should apply.
I agree with you MJ is the GOAT, unless LeBron proves me otherwise. But we have to look at this fairly. I don't like LeBron's Drama, but i look at his body of work for 17yrs and counting.
Miami wasn't a superteam. Bosh didn't make the Hall on the 1st ballot. Pippen, Phil and Rodman did. Jordan had considerably more help.
And, Pippen didn't win a Finals MVP because Jordan was a gunner.
All of you that keeping propping Bron up smh. I'm 33 so I'm not old and and I'm not young I'm in the middle...my generation and after are crazy. Lebron is a loser without Ad...yall gotta stop smh.
How is he a loser without AD? He had 3 chips before he had AD and AD had 0
@@dparks2856 He's 3-6
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Are you sure about that?
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4 and 6. Whats more impressive? Winning all your chips with one coach and organization and pippen or winning with 3 organizations? I can tell the common denominator wherever Lebron goes. DONT know who the reason is for the Bulls winning. Could be pipp, PJackson or Krause
@@dparks2856 4-6 wow great job. He only needed battier wade bosh love Kyrie AD allen birdman RJ shumpert Frye Korver KCP green Howard Rondo morris...basically every superstar three point shooter and defensive guy that's ever played to do it lol. Secondly it's easier to leave for greener pastures than stay and fight so James will never be on the level as far as winning fierce competitor for me as a Magic Mike Kobe or TD.
A star is a star no matter where the star is or at it’s still going to shine👍
Love was terrible every finals. Stop it. Those Cavs teams were all flawed outside of the first and second runs. I wouldn’t say it was a super team. Boston, Miami and Warriors had the only three real super teams of you ask me.
How many teams have won back to back ? They went to the Finals all 4 years and won back to back and you are saying that they did nothing?
Let me guess Rob, did winning back to back hurt his legacy? Because that sounds exactly like something that you would say.
The last callers argument has been mine when comes to debating the GOAT convo... coaching. People "poo poo" it like it's so irrelevant but whine and cry when a coach they like or think was good for the franchise gets fired. If coaching is not that important then why do franchises go thru so many before finding the right one, bc it matters!! It's not the end all be all but it's a huge factor.
Yall need to stop acting like dwade wasn't injury prone on the last two years of their run
Even if AD wins finals MVP it doesn't matter, Shaq won all the finals mvp with Kobe, we don't take that from him
Jordan quit playing after Phil Jakson left the bulls...this is reaeaealy mental tough
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The difference is that pippen didn’t take the shots MJ took. In LBJ case. AD is taking more shots. Pippen had better performance besides putting up points.
LBJ have more reb & ast
I hear them saying about Irving's shot and Allen's shot and they don't think that without Lebron's run in 2013 game 6 the Allen's shot wouldn't exist and without Lebron's 3point to tie and after THE block , Irving's shot wouldn't exist..
Lebron second is just crazy...i can see top 5..if they loose this then he drop out of the top 5 for me.
Now Bron gotta leave Lakers and retire with the Knicks after Chip for people to realize.
No, beating the Miami Heat for the NBA championship wouldn't make Lebron James the GOAT in this very short NBA season, against weaker competition. Michael Jordan still retains the title. Lebron is still up there with the greatest NBA players to ever play the game. His legacy is already cemented.
WHAT ABOUT NOT GETTING TO THE FINALS!!!!!!!!!!!! I think Rob needs to think. Its worse if you don't get to the finals???
5:30 People forget that HOU took GSW to G7 and G6 and people even think they should have beat them both times....so you're telling me James Harden - serial choker, Chris Paul, Eric Gordon and their role players like PJ Tucker and Capela could win atleast 6 games but your goat with Kyrie, KLove and role players kept losing in gentleman sweeps?....stop it!
You Jordan Fanboys make me sick...
Jordan gets credit for losing in earlier in the playoffs
You would think Jordan played 6 years?... SMH ... Jordan stans are the worst
QuisTheGreat u really think Lebron is better than Jordan? When in Jordan career he lost & u can say “damn if Jordan would of played better” u can say it for Lebron.
Jordan did not have a stacked team like lebron, Lebron had to go to game 7 to pacers who was not a super team at all.
Should we praise Bron for losing in the finals? Why going if you will lose?
Everyone is well aware of Jordan's early playoff failures. The thing is LeBron also has the same early playoff failures! He didn't even make the postseason his first two years and never had to face teams as good as the Celtics or Pistons in the EC during his first 7 years. The closest teams are the mid 2000s Pistons which traded Ben Wallace with a different HC and the 2010 Celtics.
I am a Gen Z, Jordan's the GOAT and LeBron's second at this moment, if he get a three-peat with the Lakers he will be My GOAT.
3 peat with at least 2 FInals MVPs
@@onceuponasavage try to win at least all of them but that ain't happening
He can't be second with the most failures out of any of them in the top 10
Fullmetal 😂😉. LeBron has the most failures and can’t be in 2nd? Sorry brah... That’s laughable. LeBron the greatest now and he’s still adding lol...
@Lil Bill does he have the most failures yes or no? The 3 times he won was he on the most stacked teams? Longevity stats aren't the argument and awards like mvp can't be used shaq and kobe have 1
If LBJ wins this title I'll give him a slight nod as the greatest. You wanna know why?
@@Rafflewafflez ok then. Your lose of knowledge and reason
I’m interested. Why slight nod?
Here for the response
Slight nod 🤦🏾♂️ it sounds crazy because LeBron is running away with it the only thing Jordan people can see is championships now now we are focused on finals MVPs give me a break 😂😂👎🏾
The answer is he's done something nobody else has done and that's win in 3 different locals. Which proves he's not a system player like everybody else. LBJ is the system. And on top of that he won titles in 3 separate teams. First time that's been done also. Which gives him the slight nod. That's it folks. That's if he wins. He's in tip top shape and showing no signs of slowing down. He's going to 3 more finals.
Kyrie got hurt along with K-Love
Kyrie hasnt been the same since he found out the earth was flat.
Would Chris pass for “white” back in the day?
what about the '95 playoffs where the Bulls got annihilated by a young Magic team?? isn't that a let down? Jordan fans really forgot that really did happen, huh.. .
They said that doesn’t count because he had just came back a d wasn’t in basketball shape😂
I swear I been alive 35 yrs and sports fan as far back as I can remember. Listening to these analysts Jordan was perfect! Absolutely perfect! There was no flaws in his game he was unstoppable and won every title and game he played in. Jordan sounds like a myth listening to these people.. I grew up a Jordan fan watching the bulls and as an adult is sickening listening to these guys talk about Jordan. After this last dance just forget no one will never be as great.. Just give it up no one will ever be close to Jordan in their eyes.
Jay Hobbs so because his teams never lost in the finals he was perfection? What about all the other years he played? There was no better team in the league than the bulls and it wasn’t just because Jordan was on it, their was not one time Jordan went to the finals as the underdog never. When he was earlier in his career he never made it.
And i didn't mention the player's athletic ability of Jordan's era..this is what made Jordan so special..in Lebron's era the 60-70 % of players have the Jordan's athleticism and Lebron is a bigger and faster Jordan..so don't tell that in Jordan's era Lebron couldn't play and blah blah...he would dominate the sport
Jordan is the greatest winner of all time (6-0) but lebron is the greatest of all time (goat). The best player doesn’t automatically win the finals, since it is a team sport.
Exactly
Bill Russell has 12, that makes him the greatest winner of all time.
@@matthew2119 also true. let's demote jordan to greatest winning percentage then. lol
Horry has 7